YTSEJAM Digest 1468
Today's Topics:
1) My name is Nick and I'm a Dream Theater-holic...
by Bogie34@aol.com
2) composed VS written
by ytsejammer <belhai@drew.edu>
3) Re: Dumbass? Guess again!!!
by Bogie34@aol.com
4) Re: My name is Nick and I'm a Dream Theater-holic...
by Bogie34@aol.com
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1467
by blim <syrinx@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
6) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 04/23/96 - 05:41:20" <response@ibmmail.com>
7) Re: concerts/blues review
by Dave Fernquist <103362.445@CompuServe.COM>
8) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE AT IBMMAIL 04/23/96 - 66:66:66"@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com
9) Re: echolyn selling out
by Walter S Semerenko <wss88274@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu>
10) ProgDay '96 update #3 from prognerd--DTC read carefully
by Walter S Semerenko <wss88274@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu>
11) New Echolyn WWW page info, Ghostland [ Check it out!]
by Mike Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu>
12) "The Sound," Part 143
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
13) stuff part one
by Andrew Miller <andym@wicked.stigmata.org>
14) Echolyn info
by Mike Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu>
15) Elvis, Rebellion, Roast Beef
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
16) Oh boy...
by Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 00:16:26 -0400
From: Bogie34@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: My name is Nick and I'm a Dream Theater-holic...
Message-ID: <960423001625_196833298@emout19.mail.aol.com>
I was planning on writing some sort of soliloquy utilizing every possible
Dream Theater title I could think of, but I figured that would get rather
redundant and repetitive. (Yes, I meant to use redundant and repetitive
together. The irony!) Instead, I've decided to ask a few questions which I
know have been discussed in the past, but due to my brain's ignorance, I seem
to have forgotten these questions' answers. So, here it goes:
1) Okay, on the LIT video, DT plays TLF. What is the title of the
instrumental that directly follows TLF?
2) What was the original working title of Surrounded? (I think it was
Surrounded which had a different title on the I&W promo cassette...or was it
UAGM?)
3) Which came first? The chicken or the egg?
4) What is the meaning of Scarred? Not having the lyrics near me, I seem to
be under the impression that it's about infidelity (in other words, cheating)
during marriage.
5) Did you know that Nabisco has it's own web site? It's true!!! I was
fiddling around with Netscape 2.01 when I just starting typing in anything I
could think of in:
http://www."fill in the blank".com/ (in this case, http://www.nabisco.com/"
and it worked! Check out the playground there and you could win a free toy!
The Nabisco Thing!
6) Lastly, who is this Bafu Vai character and his friend, Sideshow Ben? :P
Bogie
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 00:19:36 -0500 (EST)
From: ytsejammer <belhai@drew.edu>
To: YTSAYYY JAM!!! <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: composed VS written
Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.91.960423001622.541073124B-100000@drew.edu>
A while ago I was reading some post from alt.music.rush and someone said
the reason why Rush is a great band is because they *compose* their music
rather than *write* it. A few days later, I asked my music teacher if
there was a difference between the two words and he said no. So now I'm
confused and I ask the help of my fellow ytsejammers: is there a
difference between "composing music" and "writing music?"
...Brandon Elhai <belhai@drew.drew.edu>
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 00:25:52 -0400
From: Bogie34@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Dumbass? Guess again!!!
Message-ID: <960423002552_380817820@emout13.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 96-04-23 00:12:29 EDT, you write:
<< Uh, Kurt, remember when your mother told you not to be a hypocrite?
Check out your subject...dumbass! :P
Oh yeah, and Scott Cook was using what we call _sarcasm_. But, it's
understandable for people like you not to understand sarcasm...see? WRONG!
I was being being sarcastic! Sheesh...what a world...okay, enough babble;
must pee.
Hey Bafu, does this get Kurt in the idiot's club? Or do you have to do
something completely idiotic? Say like blow drying your hair in the shower?
Hold up...looks like I'm the idiot...
AARGH!!! If I received the freakin' jams in the right order, I might have
been able to prevent myself from writing that whole sarcasm schpiel (sp?).
Oh well, what's done is done.
Bogie
P.S. Why does America Online have to be so damn shitty?!
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 00:27:06 -0400
From: Bogie34@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: My name is Nick and I'm a Dream Theater-holic...
Message-ID: <960423002705_380818608@emout13.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 96-04-23 00:16:28 EDT, you write:
<< 1) Okay, on the LIT video, DT plays TLF. What is the title of the
instrumental that directly follows TLF?
Since I just read jam #1464 with Mike Backof's discography, I was able to
answer that question for myself. (Barf Bag, duh!) Thanks Mike!
Bogie
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 00:36:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: blim <syrinx@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1467
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.960423002956.4191A-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
hey, all. just a few pointers.
1: Skadz just rules. After like 2 months, he FINALLY sends me a
copy of the birch hill tape. Of course, it's fucked up. So, the
bastard's gotta send me another one. I WANT MY WEBBAGE!@ :)
2: To Andrew Miller (and, hell, all the fun echolyn people), a
few things. Sony did _NOT_ drop echolyn. after tom and chris left, sony
said basically "well, we'd like one more album, but after that, you're
free to go" and this is one of a few reasons why "when the sweet turns
sour" will be out rather soon. I HIGHLY reccommend all of you to get
"Suffocating The Bloom", 'cause I don't know if there's gonna be another
chance to get it.
So, i made the "ultimate dream theater" tape...well, all i felt
sucifficant to put on a 110 minute tape. here's what's on it:
side a:
pull me under / under a glass moon / ytsejam jam / mirror / lie / acos
side b:
fortune in lies / under a glass moon / a mind besides itself / eve / take
the time / metropolis
it's pretty rad.
is it me, or is "a fortunue in lies" a kick_ass song? i think that they
should keep AFIL in the set. It's so musically...good. I like Eve. It's
got that whole "Kevin_Moore_mellow" thing goin' on, which is a good thing.
Bafu, Bafu, Bafu. _WHY_ aren't you coming to ytsejam? DO NOT MAKE ME GET
HAIRBALL AFTER YOU!@
speaking of which, i should e-mail him and tell him to get his
ass back on here. i miss him (and his ex). :)
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Michael B. Ostrich
musical advisor/consultant
ytsejam@op.net
syrinx@dreamt.org
syrinx@astro.ocis.temple.edu
..and a partridge in a pear tree.
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 00:40:02 EDT
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To: ytsejam@ax.com
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Date: 23 Apr 96 00:43:42 EDT
From: Dave Fernquist <103362.445@CompuServe.COM>
To: "INTERNET:ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: concerts/blues review
Message-ID: <960423044341_103362.445_JHL37-3@CompuServe.COM>
Somebody with an Alice withdrawal wrote:
>wow, is Alice Cooper really touring this summer? it's about time! anyone know
where/if the dates are posted?
Alice is touring with the Scorpions this summer (Scorps are headlining); only
dates I know are June 22 at Irvine Meadows, and June 19 at the Universal
Amphitheater, CA; sorry!
A Fellow Nuge Fan wrote:
> The only show that kicked more ass then ozzy was Ted Nuge, hes one crazy
motherfucker
live!!! wow, he cranks it higher than anyone, if you think you've heard ted by
hearing cat scratch fever, then ha! my personal favorite live was Kiss My Ass,
what a great song "hey courtney love i got your
hole right here" haha! Ted's the man!
Man you aren't kidding! Saw Ted last year with Bad Company (who really
surprised me; they've got a new singer that sounds almost like Paul Rodgers ).
They are both touring again this summer; Don't miss it! Ted had Derek
St.Holmes with him last tour; hopefully he's still touring with the Motor City
Madman.
Blues Review: If any of you 'jammers need a blues fix, check out Kenny Wayne
Shepherd. I saw him last Saturday night at the House of Blues in Hollyweird.
He did a near 2.5 hour set that included a killer version of "Voodoo Chile".
Slash joined him on stage for two songs, one of which was Stevie Ray's "Leave My
Little Girl Alone". Tell ya what, the guy is only 19 years old and he can
fookin' play.
Hasta.
DFern
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 00:24:14
From: "RESPONSE AT IBMMAIL 04/23/96 - 66:66:66"@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mail Item Format Warning
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And I sincerely wish i could stop sending these blasted emails to
this list. I grow weary of the endless onslaught of useless mail
that i'm forced to generate. Good lord, i post more messages to this
list than most of the subscribers!
Someone please deactivate me.
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 01:23:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: Walter S Semerenko <wss88274@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: echolyn selling out
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960423003145.17611A-100000@Pegasus>
On Mon, 22 Apr 1996 (Mike Backof) wrote:
> Andrew Miller posted part of the lyrics to "Those That Want to Buy":
>
> In The Gardiner's Guide (includes lyrics and comments by the band) (note
> that the comments were before they got signed, if you read them all,
> Chris and Tom seem to be the ones most adament about "not selling out")
>
> Tom: "Our promise to echolyn fans... we have never and will never
> compromise a song. We will never put out a song that we ourselves are
> not totally into, regardless of current musical trends. (Remember when
> Kiss put out their disco hit "I Was Made For Lovin' You")"
Mike, thanks for giving more insight on this 'selling out' thing. From
my experience, I say no. I bought StB, Gardener's Guide, and t-shirt from
Paul, and he sent me the merchandise before I even sent the check. I was
like, "Whoa...are you sure about that?"...and he said the band went by
'trust.' So I think that the band was not interested in $$$$$, but in
making their fans happy and putting out music that they are into.
Andrew,
If you really want to know if the band is 'selling out', why don't you
ask the band members themselves? Maybe this will soothe your fear. I
asked Brett about a few songs, and he was more than happy to tell me.
All of us here can give our opinions and interpretations...and it's just that
*our* opinion and *our* interpretation.
Walter.
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 01:38:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: Walter S Semerenko <wss88274@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: ProgDay '96 update #3 from prognerd--DTC read carefully
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960423013440.24564A-100000@Pegasus>
forwarded message
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ProgDay '96 Update #3 (4/21/96)
It's here--the OFFICIAL ProgDay '95/'96 homepage is up and
running! It's still under construction, but we've already
got about 40 pictures online. Check it out!
http://www.vnet.net/users/ctucker/progday/
This is the line-up as of 4/21/96. *=still tentative
Discipline Mastermind
Cast (from Mexico) Ars Nova (from Japan)
Galadriel (from Spain) Tristan Park
Iluvatar* Bon Lozaga
Jeremy* Ancient Vision*
French TV*
I'm sorry to say that Fish will be unable to appear at ProgDay '96. His
plans for a North American tour have been postponed until October '96.
I am still looking for a headliner--I will be approaching Camel, Dream
Theater and IQ during the next couple of weeks; wish me luck!
TICKET INFO: Admission will be $20 a day at the gate.
Advance weekend passes are available for $35 (price good
until July 31, 1996). Send a check or money order to:
Peter Renfro
207 South Elliott Road
Chapel Hill, NC 27514
ProgDay '96 will be held Saturday August 31 and Sunday
September 1, 1996. The location will be the same as
last year: Storybook Farm in Chapel Hill, NC. Directions
for travel and hotel accomadations will be posted in a later
update.
PROGDAY '96 VOLUNTEERS: I am still working on a sign-up sheet of various
duties for volunteers. I cannot offer free or reduced admission to
volunteers, but I will be able to offer programs and t-shirts.
PROGDAY '95 VIDEO: I now have in my possession all the mastertapes for
ProgDay '95. Fletch Good and I will be entering the studio first week of
May (we hope) to edit everything together. The final video will be 2 hours
long.
PROGDAY '95 CD: I'm a lot closer to the CD release, though it looks doubtful
now that it will be out in time for ProgDay '96. Chris Buzby has done a
fabulous job mixing the songs for Discipline and echolyn. The stuff sounds
so good you're likely to forget this is a live performance!
If you have any questions you can fax me at: 919-968-2557, or leave a
message at: 919-929-8987. Until next time...
Peter (Prognerd@vnet.net)
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Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 00:51:10 -0700
From: Mike Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: New Echolyn WWW page info, Ghostland [ Check it out!]
Message-ID: <317B3A6E.35BF@umbc.edu>
Hello Jammers,
Damn I'm posting a lot recently... <grin> watch out Bafu, Damon,
and company... There is a fairly new site on the WWW that carries up to
date information and a whole lot of prog rock bands and a few other cool
non-prog bands. The site is called Ghostland, and the URL is
http://www.webcom.com/qghost/
Ghost has been talking to the former members of echolyn, and does a great
job in finding out info on all of the bands on the list. The site is
top-notch, highly recommended...
He also has up to date Dream Theater info, as well as the new official
Echolyn homepage, with info on the follow-up projects of echolyn members.
He has the release date for the new Rush album, Shadow Gallery info,
Mastermind, and info on several other bands that get traffic on this
digest.
------------------------------------------------------------------------Michael Backof mbacko1@umbc.edu http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1
WWW Pages - Unsigned Bands: http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/munsign.html
WWW Pages - Inferno Page: http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/inferno.html
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Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 23:02:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: "The Sound," Part 143
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.92a.960422230037.87593F-100000@homer22.u.washington.edu>
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> From: Jonathan Goad <jgoad@quapaw.astate.edu>
> Subject: Re: The Sound
>
> (Forgive me if someone else has already posted this, but I'm behind on
> jams)
>
> I think your reading a little too much into the word "sound". If you'll
> read the DT FAQ, you'll see that 6:00 is about a friend of Kevin Moore's
> who is a musician, but he never went for it in terms of pursuing doing
> music as a career. This guy eventually went to work in a factory, and
> now he's basically stuck in that for the rest of his life. I think the
> "sound" is simply referring to the music. "...and turns the music down,
> but he just can't seem to shake that sound." The sound is the music and
> he can't get it out of his head.
No, I still think the "sound," whatever it might be, comes from Within the
troubled man. It's not his alarm clock, it's not anything outside of his
being. It's his own mind nagging at him to make a change in his life. The
only thing he's struggling with is himself.
> Then, the line about finding the sound and being in too deep refers to
> the fact that even if this guy "finds the sound" in his own music, it's
> too late for him to pursue it as a professional musician, because he's
> stuck in a factory job and has too many responsibilities.
>
> Jon Goad
That might be, but I don't think "the sound" is strictly about someone's
musical endeavors. "6:00" is obviously about someone trapped in an
unfavorable situation in which they have no control, least of all over
themselves because they can't sort out their own thoughts.
I think the idea of "the sound" is much more broad than one's repressed
desire to follow their music, I think it's about how this disturbed man,
be he Kevin or Kevin's friend from the factory or just a character Kevin
decided to write about, is slowly waking up to the reality that he can't
go on living a certain way. That lifestyle might be working in a factory,
or it might be the position of the keyboardist in Dream Theater, or it
might be someone telling themselves they aren't constipated when they know
damn well they haven't been to the bathroom in four days.
Kevin may have written the song specifically about one person, but my
point is that the theme of "6:00" can apply to any situation involving a
person caught in a crisis between their conscious desires and their
subconscious desires.
[following comment not directed at Jon Goad]
And someone said "Awake" isn't a "cohesive" album. Bullshit.
Bafu Vai
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 02:05:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Miller <andym@wicked.stigmata.org>
To: YTSEJAM digest <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: stuff part one
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960423020032.6689C-100000@wicked.stigmata.org>
I like this :)
>Mental note: Never flame an Andrew Miller. :)
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> \|/ ____ \|/ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/
> "@'/ ,. \`@" cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@"
> /_| \__/ |_\ d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\
> \__U_/ http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/
-andy miller
andym@dreamt.org
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Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 01:22:45 -0700
From: Mike Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Echolyn info
Message-ID: <317B41D5.5A5F@umbc.edu>
Hello Jammers,
I flubbed on the echolyn info in a previous post.
Chris Buzby's new band is named Finneus Gauge, not Finneus Wake
Later,
Mike
-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------Michael Backof mbacko1@umbc.edu http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1 WWW Pages - Unsigned Bands: http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/munsign.html WWW Pages - Inferno Page: http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/inferno.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 23:30:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu> To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Elvis, Rebellion, Roast Beef Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.92a.960422232713.134838A-100000@homer09.u.washington.edu>
> From: Scotch <anthem@virginia.edu> > To: Elvis Haters <ytsejam@ax.com> > Subject: Fisher-Price and Rebellion
Elvis haters? You better hope he never decides to subscribe to the 'jam or he's gonna be real pissed.
> Rage's stock-in-trade is defiance and rebellion, yes? (The music is > crack too, but without Zack's rage it wouldn't be the same.) And > rebellion has always been the backbone of rock music, no matter how much > people insist that "it's the music that counts."
[removed]
> As I see it, an underlying problem people have with DT (and prog in > general, but let's not go there) is that there's no element of > rebellion.
As far as I can tell, DT only ever had one element of rebellion, and it's gone now: Kevin Moore. Some of his lyrics could easily be erupted by Philip Anselmo of Pantera and they would sound alright.
(Erupt: verb. an energetic mixture of raspy growling and full-bodied shouting where vocals are blasted out with such velocity and volume that they emulate an erupting volcano. Slight vocal-tone is occasionally added to create the auditory illusion that actual notes are being sung.)
> I don't think DT music is the lesser for it; in fact, if they did get > all defiant and stuff, it might seem a little contrived (like Extreme's > political posings).
No never contrived, it's an overnight sensation.
> Nor do I think DT should really add that element-- it's just not their > scene. I just can't see Labrie rapping "Fuck you, I won't do what ya > tell me." Maybe YOU can.
No, I can't. But I can see (and hear) Portnoy doing a duet with Tupac Shakur...
---- > From: WildKoba@aol.com > Subject: panties flying everywhere and a big piece of roast beef
Sounds kink-aaay.
> bafu- nice work with the 600 interpretation. shit, man. that covers you > for all the bizarre emails i've gotten from you lately (some still > unread of course). but awl looky here attum soon enough.
It "covers" me? What, do I need to build up rational-thought credits before I can splurge and just be myself? :)
Bafu Vai
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 01:58:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu> To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Oh boy... Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.960423015535.21396A-100000@indy17.gclab.missouri.edu>
Jeffrey A. DiBartolomeo wrote: >To: ytsejam@ax.com >Subject: asdf > >asdf > >Jeff DiBartolomeo >President >DiBartolomeo Digital Design Associates
Oh boy. The future of America. Presidents who can't follow directions (unless this is all from on of you with incorrect instructions on your page...)
>Email: jdibart@li.net
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