YTSEJAM Digest 1471
Today's Topics:
1) Dman, Dougherty, And Alternative...
by mojoman@pointblank.com
2) Re: YTSEJAM Re: Radio thieves........
by randrews@post.cis.smu.edu (Robert Paul Andrews)
3) WDADU
by cdh191@nwu.edu (Charlie Harrison)
4) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 04/23/96 - 23:27:11" <response@ibmmail.com>
5) Re: Electronics
by borlangw <borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk>
6) Re: Okay kids (Daugherty vs. Merlo IV: Be there!)
by borlangw <borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1470
by "James Wiseman (Mr Who?)" <ma5jw@bath.ac.uk>
8) Re: That merlo guy
by blane@nla.gov.au
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1469
by skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
10) Michael Backof and Echolyn
by rtgood@students.wisc.edu (Ryan T. Good)
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1468
by Bogie34@aol.com
12) Internet telekinesis...
by Bogie34@aol.com
13) "Nerds" and "Cool people"
by Bogie34@aol.com
14) It's been a long time/JPM100/Problem at school!
by guitar@haven.ios.com (Rob Leifer)
15) One final point...
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
16) the Merlo/Daugherty debate
by Mats Rydström <d94-mry@nada.kth.se>
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 17:57:32 -0500
From: mojoman@pointblank.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Dman, Dougherty, And Alternative...
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.4.23.-15.57.32.2377490627.1290868@pointblank.com>
I have to jump into this....
This is a point I've been fighting with myself for years....
Im sorry, Dig, but I have to agree with Pat on this....he may
have gone about it the first time with an offensive overtone...but he's
got a good point....
It's true...99% of the Alternative music out there is crap...
Im srtugling with whether or not thats actually opinion!!!
I was listening to Bush the other day, and 3/4 of the guitars
were out of tune....I don't think a guitarist would knock his guitar a
few semitones out of tune to sound good.....It's like breaking the
windows and denting all the body panels in your car, and calling your
car good looking!!!! SO I HAVE to conclude that he doesnt have much
knowledge of how to tune his instrument...I don't know if I could
respect someone that calls himself a musician, when he doesnt respect my
ears!!! (NOW I KNOW some schmuck is going to try to and discredit what
I just said by bringing up Hendrix.....Fuck that...Hendrix was allowed
to that....If the guitarist makes as much a statement as hendrix did,
I'll let him invade my radio space)
The disgraceful thing is that the more Alternative grows, the
less room groups like Dream Theater have to grow in this toilet we call
the American Music Market.
MojoMan
Speaks
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 17:14:05 -0600 (CDT)
From: randrews@post.cis.smu.edu (Robert Paul Andrews)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM Re: Radio thieves........
Message-ID: <m0uBqLV-000FkGC@post.cis.smu.edu>
>
> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 12:44:49 -0400
> From: Brian Anderson <bda109@psu.edu>
> To: ytsejam@ax.com
> Subject: This is not my day
> Message-ID: <199604231644.MAA71332@r05n01.cac.psu.edu>
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> I thought I'ld list the contents of my 12-disc changer that WERE
> STOLEN . . . . AGAIN!!!!!
>
> That's right, my car was broken into again! Stupid me, replaced all
> my stuff that was stolen before, and of course, it was all stolen again.
> They didn't take the radio 'cause I had the faceplate with me, but they took
> everything else. This time, they didn't break my window - they pryed open
> the door handle, got in, opened the hood, and ripped out the wire that goes
> to the alarm siren.
> Luckily I didn't have any of Mike Bahr's wonderful CD's in the car at
> the time, but here's what I did lose:
>
> DT - Images & Words DT - Awake DT- ACOS Echoyln - As the
> World Shadow Gallery - Carved in Stone
> Ivanhoe - Symbols of Time Sepultura - Roots Fear Factory -
> Demanufactured Galactic Cowboys - Machine Fish Pantera - Far Beyond
> Driven Pantera - Vulgar Display of Power and Death - Symbolic
>
> That's it! 12 of my favorite CD's ---- all gone!
> If you know anyone that steals car radios, beat the crap out of them
> for me, will ya??
Most definitely!!! As I had my stereo stolen a year ago I know what it was like
Thankfully the kid didn't like my taste in music and left all my CDs :)
Full coverage paid off as they gave me enough money for a better stereo and
a little extra for spending money ;) Now I have learned and bought a good
Viper alarm (no affiliations). My parent's home owner insurance will cover
my 101 CDs and radar detector and the car coverage will cover speakers, radio,
amp, etc. :)
If I ever found any one with a stolen radio, there *ss would be mine.
Check to see if you are covered for all that, and see if you alarm co. covers
theft of property. Viper will pay you 5000 if your car is stolen.
It sucks what you have to go through now and I am sorry. Take care.
Rob
randrews@post.smu.edu
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 17:24:31 -0500
From: cdh191@nwu.edu (Charlie Harrison)
To: Dream Theater List <ytsejam@ax.com>, ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: WDADU
Message-ID: <199604232224.AA143488271@casbah.acns.nwu.edu>
Hey DT nuts,
It's been a while since I posted, but now I have to wonder. As the
Ytse-Rookie that you guys know me to be, should I go out and get WDADU? You
guys are scaring me about Charlie's voice. (At least his name is cool) Is
there anybody out there who he sounds like, b/c I can tolerate the likes of
Phil Anselmo (Pantera) to BArney Greenway (Napalm Death). I would get WDATU
but I don't know enough about Mr. Bahr to do so. I'd appreciate any info.
Thanks in advance
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 18:25:53 EDT
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 23:32:34 +0100
From: borlangw <borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Electronics
Message-ID: <9604232232.AA01077@lively.dcs.gla.ac.uk>
Jon wrote:
> While I'm at it, could someone explain the watts/ohms relationship to
> me? I've been looking at catalogs for amps and it'll say, like, "400
> watts into 4 ohms." Could someone clear this one up for me?
P = (V^2)/R
Power (Watts) = (Voltage squared) divided by Resistance (Ohms)
I knew it would come in useful sometime :-)
Graham B.
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 23:34:56 +0100
From: borlangw <borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Okay kids (Daugherty vs. Merlo IV: Be there!)
Message-ID: <9604232234.AA01080@lively.dcs.gla.ac.uk>
Ed wrote:
> Chris Merlo (Digital Man, D-Man, etc) is a pretty good guy, I'm sure a
> lot of us will vouch for that. Maybe he had something stuck up his ass
> that day (Chris?) . . . [snip]
It was one of those damn Scottish sheep again, wasn't it, Chris? :-)
Graham B.
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 23:42:55 +0100 (BST)
From: "James Wiseman (Mr Who?)" <ma5jw@bath.ac.uk>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1470
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960423233405.294A-100000@slc-22>
> Point of this? : Let's all try and behave ourselves a bit here... I'm
> sure that most of us respect each other's opinions and if we just try to
> keep that point of view we can all gain so much more from this forum then
> if we start attacking people cause they say something that might catch
> you on an off day.
Yes Sir!
Are you gonna teach us table manners next?
> P.S. I will not tolerate flames of this article... anyone wishing to
> engage in such childish behaviour will promptly be sent the following
> response:
This is not a flame, and I fully respect your opinions on the subject,
100% unquestioned with out a hint of doubt. IMHO though, not wanting
you to take this personally in any shape or form and with absolutely no
intent to maim, harm or damage, isn't it a little harsh?
> 'Go to hell. Go directly to hell, do not pass go, do not collect
> $200, do not bring any friends, do not stop for a ham sandwich, do not
> take the subway, do not ask for a glass of water, do not piss on the
> electric fence, and do not take your sweet-ass time. Oh, and by the way,
> your mother's so ugly even Bafu wouldn't touch her with a 10-foot pole.
> Fucknut...'
I didn't know you'd met my mother!
Jimbo the funky beer monster
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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 08:48:46 +0000
From: blane@nla.gov.au
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: That merlo guy
Message-ID: <199604232255.IAA27745@email.nla.gov.au>
>He still somoehow misses the main point of my post. Alternative bands
>gets tons of support and sell out wherever they go. Bands like Styx, Kansas,
>Boston, DT, etc are forced to play empty arenas or crowded clubs. Playing
>empty arenas or being forced to the club circuit does not keep the record
>companies happy. If the record companies are not happy then bands get
>dropped and we are left with the alternative, Alternative...
I am not sure about the US but in Australia it has a lot to do with
promotion. I have never seen nor heard prog bands like DT, Fates etc
in any form of media. No promotional work has been done hear, word
of mouth being the only method with which to widen the audience. The
fact that Prog bands never tour or do promorional tours here is also
a problem. Also they don't release singles and hence get bugger all
air play, except QR's single lucidity which went to No. 1 a few years
back ( there least prog song IMHO ).
Alternative bands get plugged to all shit down here, they do heaps of
tours and promo work they get butt-loads of air play etc.
I am no guru on who does what promo work but isn't the record company
in control of most of that. If DT were to tour down here and not
make wild amounts of ticket sales on jigs, the promo people most be
partly to blame for not trying to expose the public to the band.
just my $0.0145 cents, exchange rate was poor today.
Brett: ytse-oz
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 16:41:47 -0700
From: skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1469
Message-ID: <199604232341.QAA18680@dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com>
I can't remember the person who wrote this, but you know who you are.
>>>>
I have read every ytsejam that has been sent since I've been on the
list. I'm sorry I but I made an honest mistake. I appreciate those who
e-mailed me and pointed out my error but for those that resorted to the
immature name calling all I can say is get a life. I wasn't aware of
the WDATU CD so I don't feel that was necessary.
>>>>
Well, if you would've posted something like:
"What's WDATU? I have WDADU, but...."
instead of that smart-ass post you originally did then you would have
gotten less smart-ass responses!
Scott Cook
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 18:47:43 -0500
From: rtgood@students.wisc.edu (Ryan T. Good)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Michael Backof and Echolyn
Message-ID: <199604232347.SAA43371@audumla.students.wisc.edu>
TO Michael Backof:
Hey. You mentioned "When the Sweet Turns Sour" is coming out in May
sometime on the Syn-Phonic label, is that right? If so, I have 2 questions:
1. What is the date in May that the CD is expected?
and
2. What other prog bands are on the label that is releasing the last (sob)
echolyn record??
Thanks Michael!!!
________________________________________________
"What would you have me do?"
Either Neoptolemus or William Shattner
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name - Ryan T. Good
e-mail - rtgood@students.wisc.edu
phone - 1-(608)-264-2268
what - Madison Student Radio
who - Music Staff (Music Stapher)
which kind - Progressive Rock/Heavy Metal
why - why not?
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 19:59:39 -0400
From: Bogie34@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1468
Message-ID: <960423195938_197477350@emout12.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 96-04-23 03:27:58 EDT, you write:
<< is it me, or is "a fortunue in lies" a kick_ass song? i think that they
should keep AFIL in the set. It's so musically...good. I like Eve. It's
got that whole "Kevin_Moore_mellow" thing goin' on, which is a good thing.
Hey, it's not just you. That song ROCKS! I think the part that always gets
me is the synchronation of the guitar and drums. After listening to it about
a bajillion times, I'm able to tap that part with my fingers while driving!
Hey, since we're on the topic of WDADU, does anyone like Light Fuse and Get
Away a lot? I do...Kev's solos rock in the middle of it and I'm impressed
with the funk sound right before the second verse. For some reason it
reminds me of RHCP...
Bogie
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 19:59:51 -0400
From: Bogie34@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Internet telekinesis...
Message-ID: <960423195950_197477482@emout12.mail.aol.com>
I was planning on writing some sort of soliloquy utilizing every possible
Dream Theater title I could think of
Damn Bogie! Every time I come up w/ an intersting idea, you talk about it on
the jam. Remember AFBI?:) I was actually thinking to myself the other day
"The Silent Man, looked in the Mirror to check his Space-Dye Vest.." and so
on...
and yes I was bored :)
Hey, I've been known to hone a power called Internet telekinesis...it's where
you can draw the thoughts of others through their posts. I'm trying not to
use it to much because I'm trying to get at Bafu's thoughts. Then, I'll be
able to post at the end of every jam and rule the world! :-)
Bogie
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 20:00:02 -0400
From: Bogie34@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: "Nerds" and "Cool people"
Message-ID: <960423200000_197477638@emout14.mail.aol.com>
Point of this? : Let's all try and behave ourselves a bit here... I'm
sure that most of us respect each other's opinions and if we just try to
keep that point of view we can all gain so much more from this forum then
if we start attacking people cause they say something that might catch
you on an off day.
You have to admit Dr. X, this isn't even _close_ to the types of arguments on
RMAQ! (rec.music.artists.queensryche) I'm actually able to handle this
little dispute. But, to add my 1470 pesos (that's the value of $0.02 these
days, right?), I have to say that there is a difference between talent and
popularity...Here's my analogy.
Imagine this...high school.
Imagine that all the intellectually-based bands (talented, in the hearts of
people involved deeply in music) are the school "nerds". So, Dream Theater,
Rush, Queensryche, etc., are like Albert Einstein, Siegmund Freud, Zac
Newton, etc.
Imagine that all the popular, alternative bands (considered to lack talent by
some music fanatics) are the kids with all the popularity. No matter what
these guys do, they always have the crowd following them. They think they're
really "cool".
Now, is it me, or is it always the popular, "cool" people who get all of the
respect by the majority of the school? The "nerds" working their butts off
in the classroom don't get any respect, except from their teachers...the ones
who are interested in their intelligence.
Let's face it; not everyone in this world is capable of handling complicated,
intricate music like the sort DT, Rush, QR, etc. puts out. Their minds can't
handle it. They just aren't musically intelligent enough to understand it.
You have to just accept that the "nerds" don't get the respect they truly
deserve.
Bogie
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 20:03:59 -0400
From: guitar@haven.ios.com (Rob Leifer)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: It's been a long time/JPM100/Problem at school!
Message-ID: <v01530500ada31c1ce782@[206.20.67.15]>
What's up Jammers,
I havn't posted in a pretty long time,(Mostly because I get so many jams a
day that I'm still reading ones from a month ago!) so I thought that I
would post just for the fuck of it! I hope nothing really interesting has
been going on the jam lately because I'm so far behind -- I'd be missing it
=(
Just thought I'd tell everyone that my life long dream of buying the JPM100
finally came true a few weeks ago! I got it for a good price too =) It
really kicks ass but I'm still getting used to the extra jumbo size frets!!
They make bending soooo much easier!
Another reason why I just decided to post today was because these two kids
in school said something about DT today that go me so mad -- I almost
killed them! Me and a friend have been going around the school with a
diskman, trying to get people who we think would be in to DT, to listen to
them and just give them a chance. I sat with two of my friends today and
told them to listen. One kid who is the most stubborn person on the face
of the planet then said to me "Get that crap away from me. I don't want to
listen to your MAINSTREEM MUSIC crap!"
Then the other kid replied "Shut up -- DT isn't Mainstreem, they're GLAM
ROCK -- like Kiss!" I got so pissed off from these statements that I
really felt like I was going to hit them! It just pisses me off that
people could be so judgemental about something that they no shit about! I
took a deep breath and just walked away.
Well, just thought I'd share that with you guys -- See ya around!
Later,
Robb
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 20:01:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: One final point...
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9604231938.B18785-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
..and then, hopefully, this God-forsaken thread will die.
> From: Ed Reed <ereed@comp.uark.edu>
> Subject: Okay kids (Daugherty vs. Merlo IV: Be there!)
>
> Chris Merlo (Digital Man, D-Man, etc) is a pretty good guy, I'm sure a
> lot of us will vouch for that. Maybe he had something stuck up his ass
> that day (Chris?), or maybe he just misunderstood what you wrote.
Actually, yes, I've had something up my ass for the past year called grad
school. But that's another story. However, I didn't misunderstand PD's
post at all. I agree that it's a shame that our fave bands (except Rush
and maybe one or two others) can't get the big money (pun intended) and
the big shows. Actually, I never addressed that point at all, one way or
the other. I posted in hopes of squelching (yet again) the idea that "we
rock and they suck." I guess it didn't work.
> 'Rush's music does nothing for me... Geddy's voice just bugs me to no
> end, and as far as I'm concerned their music basically blows goats
> because of it.'
>
> 'Anyone who listens to Rush is a dumbfuck...'
>
> Both of these statements are basically making the same commentary, only
> one has plenty of IMO's stuck in it, doesn't attack anyone personally,
> and states *why* the person feels this way. The second one really
> doesn't get much across and only infuriates the reader, especially if
> they happen to be a Rush fan.
Yeah, that's what I meant to say. :)
----> From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@moose.uvm.edu> > Subject: To Pat about "that merlo guy"
[very long post removed -d]
Couldn't have said it any better, Rich.
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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 02:11:00 +0200 (MET DST) From: Mats Rydström <d94-mry@nada.kth.se> To: Ytsejam Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: the Merlo/Daugherty debate Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91N2x.960424015155.28102B-100000@alv.nada.kth.se>
I'm not at all with Pat. He wrote:
> I stated an opinion 99% of all alternative bands have no talent. That is > my opinion. I am sure that is the majority of Ytsejammers on here.
I'm not. Bands that are being recognized have some talent. All of them. ^^^^
Face it, music changes. What was metal in the 70s and 80s is not that representative as metal nowadays. Styles evolve (you can whine all you want) but that's the way things are. Look at other parts of cultural evolution. Classical music sure changed during the years.
Alternative (or whatever) offers something, maybe different. I think Oasis are great because the write good songs and they're fun. Doesn't matter they borrowed some chords from the Beatles. I like Garbage, Radiohead and Soundgarden since they write good songs, and lest not forget Weezer. (Who has got that Rivers Cuomo- speed metal demo BTW? I want it) It's just a different type of music and it's not fair to put it down by generalisations. Heck, I could state that prog-metal sux since a lot of prog-metal-bands do really suck. Have nothing to do with how fast you play your guitar or how high you can whine or yell. If the songs are crap so are you.
> He still somoehow misses the main point of my post. Alternative bands > gets tons of support and sell out wherever they go. Bands like Styx, > Kansas, Boston, DT, etc are forced to play empty arenas or crowded > clubs. Playing empty arenas or being forced to the club circuit does > not keep the record companies happy. If the record companies are not > happy then bands get dropped and we are left with the alternative, > Alternative...
No, not that many alternative bands. Most such bands play clubs. And please don't lump DT together with present-day Kansas, Boston and Styx. They don't communicate anymore, therefore they're not selling out big arenas. Present-day Kansas or Scorpions or Yes or ... are sad stories if you REALLY listen to the music and not just "whoa I'm a fan, this is great". It's mostly a nostalgia-thing and everybody knows it.
Also, few bands can put on a show and fill an arena. And I don't mean fill it with people, fill it with... uhh their presence or something. Damn, this sounded much better in swedish. Even if Styx (or the Jon Spencer Blues Explosion for that matter) sold an arena out they wouldn't fill it like, say... Metallica or AC/DC.
Flame on...
Mats Rydstrom - d94-mry@nada.kth.se /~~~~~~~~~~\~~~~BassPlayer/GLASS~~~~/ - http://www.nada.kth.se/~d94-mry \ no wrong, no right / ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ or guilt admission / ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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