YTSEJAM Digest 1487
Today's Topics:
1) YTSEJAM digest 1485
by "Steven Johnson" <svjohnson@amoco.com>
2) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 04/26/96 - 20:57:28" <response@ibmmail.com>
3) No Annual Fee VISA Card - Get $50 free! + Oblig DT Content
by Tim <axe@usa.nai.net>
4) Read,Read,Read. Very important!!!
by rbarker@epix.net
5) my computer is shot........please read!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by MillerA@act.org
6) Dream Theater AND Marillion (not vs)
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
7) Itchy likes Chuckie
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
8) IF NOT ((QR or DT) or (QR and DT)) THEN GOTO HELL
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
9) Re: spawns Ed, I-be-a-Male ;-)
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
10) Bands, Music, Discs Etc.
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
11) James, Names, Magenta Flames
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
12) opinions and the double cd
by ripzero@ix.netcom.com (RipZero )
13) what i have missed
by WildKoba@aol.com
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Date: 26 Apr 1996 14:23:14 GMT
From: "Steven Johnson" <svjohnson@amoco.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: YTSEJAM digest 1485
Message-ID: <199604261926.AA21870@interlock.amoco.com>
*** Reply to note of 04/26/96 12:33
Please stop re-sending the Ytse & Jam scenarios. We went throught that once.
How 'bout those interested writing to Bafu or whomever and asking for them off
the list. They were kinda funny once.
Concerning the double CD.....I put some thougths in earlier, but did it sound
like Petrucci WANTED to do a double CD? Or was it just like, "Write the label
if you'd like to see one."?
Finally, my acid jazz band's demo is done and we hope to be playing out in the
Chicago area by late May or so. I'm trying to convert our keyboard player
(BTW, I noticed no one of his three keyboards have internal speakers :) ),
into a DT fan. Wish me luck! LATER-
Steve
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"You may remember me from such education films as
'Firecrackers: The Silent Killer' and 'Locker Room Towel
Fights: The Blinding of Larry Driscoll'" - actor Troy McClure
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 15:56:11 EDT
From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 04/26/96 - 20:57:28" <response@ibmmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mail Item Format Warning
Message-ID: <199604261955.MAA01120@mindcrime.ax.com>
The mail item that you sent at 19:55:57 GMT on 26 Apr 1996 has been delivered.
However, it has been necessary to convert this item into a
format that is acceptable to the recipient, FITIPMOL at IBMMAIL.
Information beyond column 79 in the mail item will have been wrapped.
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 16:02:18 -0400
From: Tim <axe@usa.nai.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: No Annual Fee VISA Card - Get $50 free! + Oblig DT Content
Message-ID: <199604262002.QAA27720@usa.nai.net>
Ok, how many Ytsejammers want to get $50 in free money? (yes real money).
Through this program I am in, I can send you an application through
US snail mail for a VISA card that has no annual fee, a low interest rate,
and the info about the $50....
If you are interested, email me your snail mail address right away with
a subject of "send-visa-app" .
Thanks!
Tim
axe@nai.net
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OBLIG DT CONTENT - While I just signed up for the petition to have DT release
a 2 CD set this fall, I have to kind of agree with the pundits who say
it would be marketing suicide at this point. Once again, I would **love**
to have the 2 CD set released, but quite frankly, if the band wants to bring new
fans aboard they have to appeal to the masses. [that's a scary though - JP
wearing
a flannel shirt with the sleeves cut off..] [JLB wearning a "korn" shirt
onstage.]
hahaha :) But seriously, i don't think the record company is going to go
for it,
and if they do, it might mean that DT gets dropped and relegated to CMC
records. :) ]
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 96 16:06:06 PDT
From: rbarker@epix.net
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Read,Read,Read. Very important!!!
Message-ID: <Chameleon.960426161524.rbarker@.epix.net>
Here is the deal. I just got off the phone with Dereck
Oliver, He is DT A&R guy. He said to not send in the
petition because EastWest's contract with DT forbids them
from doing a double disc set at this time. so forget the
petition. Mr. Oliver did say it was a very gracious effort
on our part and to thank everyone involved. He said there
will be over 70 minutes of music on the new CD and that
everything else will most definately be released as B-sides
on various Japanese, English, and American singles. so
everything will probably be available somehow he assured me.
He then went on to ask me if I had their managements number
and he gave me that. He was very helpful and he took the
time to answer all of my questions. He seemed like a pretty
cool guy. He also said that management should be willing to
answer any questions we might have about the band and that
they should be gracious enough to take time with us.
Jeff Chew, have you been in touch with DT's
management about the band coming to the con yet? Because
JOhn Petrucci told me Wednesday at the clinic he knows
nothing about it yet.
Robert Barker(Ibanez)
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Name: Barker
E-mail: rbarker@epix.net
Date: 4/26/96
Time: 4:06:06 PM
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 96 15:11:48 CST
From: MillerA@act.org
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: my computer is shot........please read!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Message-ID: <9603268305.AA830557033@SMTP.ACT.ORG>
DAMN!!!!!!!!
&^$%&! @#@%^$^%@$@@%$%^$!#!!@!!
my computer is dead. deceased. RIP. i think i've got a boot sector virus
that's preventing me from access the c: drive, even when booting from
diskette.
i'm sending this message from work.
SO, i've got things to say.
1) if there's anyone on the jam with a damn good knowledge of computers that
would like to help out a fellow jammer who can't access his regular email, all
his personal files, his web page, basically every damn thing on his pc, i'd
LOVE to talk to ya. i need some advice.
2) if there's anyone that's been trying to reach me since wednesday night,
this is the ONLY email account i have access to at the moment. i'll be in
to work periodically throughout the weekend to check my mail.
thanks.
Andrew Miller
(the one in Iowa)
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 22:17:14 +-200
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
To: "'ItchySpam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Dream Theater AND Marillion (not vs)
Message-ID: <01BB33BF.22FE93A0@ppp142.GlobalXS.nl>
I thought up some nice simularities between my two favourite bands,
Marillion & Dream Theater.
First off I want to say I love DT as much as I love Marillion
(and Tori Amos), although Marillion's concert in Utrecht (Holland)
last monday almost tipped the scale... The were fucking brilliant...
Best show I've ever seen (musically) and I've seen lot's of them
(Including Yes, Rush, Pink Floyd, QR, VH, ELO, BonJovi, Fish,
Pet Shop Boys <-hehe!)... Well, maybe it was my favourite concert
along with that YES-gig... (ABWH + SRKW <- !!!)
Here are the simularities:
Dream Theater Marillion
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A Change Of Seasons Seasons End
ACoS AoS (Afraid Of Sunlight)
The Silent Man The Hollow Man
To Live Forever Live Forever
A Fortune In Lies/Lie Paper Lies/Emerald Lies
The Ytsejam Marouatte Jam
Caught In A Web The Web
Space-Dye Vest Pseudo Silk Kimono
SHOULD tour with Rush HAVE toured with Rush
Ytsejam@ax.com Freaks@ax.com
Itchy (NOT Bitchy) Mark Bredius ;-)
Hasta Luego... Pasta & Legos,
Itchy (NOT Bitchy)
Mark Bredius, Bredius@GlobalXS.nl - tchy@dreamt.org
_________________________________________________________________/\_____
I think I have become one of the hollow men / \
As I shine on the outside more these days MARILLION / \
I can feel the outside feeding on my inside THE HOLLOW MAN C" D \
'Leaves a growing darkness in its place BRAVE ()-( ) \
____________________________________________________________/ ~ \
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 22:17:50 +-200
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
To: "'ItchySpam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Itchy likes Chuckie
Message-ID: <01BB33BF.3B488880@ppp142.GlobalXS.nl>
Can we please stop dumping on Chuckie D. ?
> The ONLY problem I had with WDADU, besides Charlie's voice,
> was the production.
I agree about the production of WDADU... It sux... It Really sux
IMO, It sounds like some low-quality demo-bootleg
I've been a DT fan from WDADU on ('89). *I* didn't get into DT after
seeing Pull Me Under on MTV. A friend of mine taped his brothers copy
of WDADU for me in '89... After listening to it for a couple of days,
it became one of my all-time favourite albums.
I really loved DT... and that included Charlie Dominici...
Shortly after WDADU's release Charlie left (I've heard some rumors why,
but I'm not gonna list them now). DT also lost their record deal...
I thought, "That's the end of yet another brilliant prog-band..."
After 2 years a friend of mine (who I turned into a DT-fan too) came
across Images & Words. He bought 2 copies (one for him, one for me)...
I didn't even know they were still together... Didn't know that they
were auditioning singers etc.... But there it was !
Although I like Images & Words much much better than WDADU (AND Awake)
WDADU will always be a special album to me... including Dominici's
vocals...
If Derek turns out to be much much better than Kevin, will the next
generation of DT-fans start dumping on him too ? :-)
BTW, Why do we talk about all those (alternative) bands we DON'T like,
when we could be talking about ONE band we ALL LOVE !?!
Oh Yeah,
I'm not flaming anyone, I don't wanna start a Chuckie vs Kevin thread,
it's just something that has been on my mind the last couple of weeks...
_________________________________________________________________/\_____
How long can you stand Living under the lens | Pasta & Legos, / \
The kiss of success | Itchy / \
The ensuing, all consuming, mess | NOT Bitchy C" D \
(Marillion - King, Afraid Of Sunlight) | Mark Bredius ()-( ) \
_____________________________________________|______________/ ~ \
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 22:18:27 +-200
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
To: "'ItchySpam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: IF NOT ((QR or DT) or (QR and DT)) THEN GOTO HELL
Message-ID: <01BB33BF.4C89F3E0@ppp142.GlobalXS.nl>
I decided to take a look at the articles in that QR-newsgroup...
I got outta there in a flash... Damn... Lot's of "QR vs. DT" articles...
Why the Fuck can't we/they just love
((QR or DT) or (QR and DT))
(Queensryche, Dream Theater or BOTH)
/me is a computer programmer ;-)
Why do they (QR fans) feel the need to trash DT... Do they feel
threatened... Are they afraid they *might* like DT more than QR ?
Personally, I love DT more than QR... but I still buy all the
QR-stuff I can get my hands on.
BTW, I wrote a little program that will take care of this "QR vs DT"
thing FOREVER !
+---------------------------------------------------+
| DIM DT AS INTEGER | To save some
| DIM QR AS INTEGER | bandwith I'll start
| CLS | my .sig right here:
| INPUT "DO YOU LIKE DT ? "; YesDT$ |
| INPUT "DO YOU LIKE DT ? "; YesQR$ | Hasta Luego...
| DT = UCASE$(YesDT$) = "J" | Pasta & Legos,
| QR = UCASE$(YesQR$) = "J" |
| IF NOT ((QR or DT) or (QR and DT)) THEN GOTO HELL | Itchy (NOT Bitchy)
| PRINT "DT AND QR BOTH FUCKING RULE!!!" | (loves DT + QR)
| END | Mark Bredius
| |
| HELL: | Bredius@GlobalXS.nl
| PRINT "FUCK YOU" | Itchy@dreamt.org
| GOTO HELL |
+---------------------------------------------------+--------------------
There's a photo on the mantlepiece, when you bought your first guitar
And your girlfriend came to see you when you were the rising star
You knew your luck was holding when you filled the local hall
The first time and the last time that you thought you had control
You had a tux on, lucky man, you had a tux on... (Marillion - Tux On)
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 22:19:29 +-200
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
To: "'ItchySpam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: spawns Ed, I-be-a-Male ;-)
Message-ID: <01BB33BF.569E36C0@ppp142.GlobalXS.nl>
First off... Sorry about posting four times in a row...
I just started typing and before I knew it, I had four posts
ready to be send out... At least I tried to put some DTC in the first
three...
> Okay, I've read two jams with Response @ IBM mail thingy. Could
> someone write a program to keep count of the times it doesn't appear??
>
> Corey E. Cleary
Well, I tried to write a program that counts how many times a message
from "Corey E. Cleary" appears on the jam... I started out by using an
'Integer' for the counter-variable... I got an OVERFLOW-error
(the largest number that'll fit in an Integer is 32768)... Damn...
I'm just kidding Corey... (or am I?)
Anyway, does anyone know where that "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL"-thing
comes from ? It's not on the Freaks Mailing list (Marillion)...
Does it appear when a perticular person posts ? (that's my guess)
Itchy (NOT Bitchy)
Mark Bredius, Bredius@GlobalXS.nl - tchy@dreamt.org
______________________________________________________TORI________/\____
When you list all the qualities that you despise All the / \
And you realise... You're describing yourself White Horses C" D\
(Marillion - The Rakes Progress) Have Gone Ahead ()-( )\
_____________________________________________________WINTER___/ ~ \
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 13:29:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Bands, Music, Discs Etc.
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.92a.960426132751.119824D-100000@homer10.u.washington.edu>
> From: subtlerage@gnn.com (Andrew Miller)
> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1471
>
> ok, now it's my turn.......
Uh-oh.
> i agree. i wholeheartedly agree. but remember something; the people
> that listen to Bush and other similar bands aren't being forced into it.
> they listen to it because they like it. don't blame the bands for being
> bad. it's what the people want. they're simply providing a service.
Just like those innocent crack dealers.
> i blame the people who listen to crappy music for the existence of
> crappy music.
I blame crappy people.
> i know there's probably people on the list that like country <<gasp>>
> and pop <<gasp>> and alternative/grunge/whatever <<gasp>>.
Alice In Chains happen to be one of my favorite bands. The same goes for
the Spin Doctors, Stone Temple Pilots, White Zombie, Winger, Korn,
Soundgarden, etc.
Whoah, did I say Winger? I meant Cinderella. Sometimes I get those grunge
bands mixed up, I mean they all sound the same anyway...
---- > From: Stephen Bajzek <MadMax+@CMU.EDU> > Subject: Re: It's been a long time/JPM100/Problem at school! > > I can relate. One time a friend of mine was playing fates Warning's > Inside Out across the hall. I was sitting at my computer, getting into > it, when I hear some dweeb walk into my friend's room and say "is this > Poison?" > > patience. some day these people will be dead.BWAAAHAHAHAHA!!
That's mortals for you. Never know just how little time they have, until BAM!! It's all over...
---- > From: Neil.D.Evans@Dartmouth.EDU (Neil D. Evans) > Subject: "Sex" Music > > Just thought I'd share that with all of the ytse-romeos and > ytse-romets.. ACOS is pretty sweet too =P...
I guess the ytse-juliets have no place in this world...
---- > From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com> > Subject: 2nd Tape Tree > > Yea, I'm really looking forward to the second tape tree from the > inestimable Brian Cox.......but before that, I'm kinda hoping he gets > around to sending me that copy of the Rudess/Morgenstein show I sent > tapes + mailer for.....back in January. :)
Gee, replace "Rudess/Morgenstein" with "Dream Theater" and you're me. :)
---- > From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com> > Subject: Mallternative stuff > > Okay, I'll wade in... :)
This ain't no kiddie pool, buddy. It's the twelve-foot well. And I'm the asshole teenager waiting to drag you under the water because I happen to be banging the lifeguard and she don't care what happens to you.
> What's the next Big Thing? Probably not prog-metal, alas and damnit. A > rock/metal/hip-hop hybrid sound, I think...... Just IMHO.
Enter Rage Against The Machine and an army of booty-shaking crunchy-rhythm masters. The rest of the music world is finally coming around to the Red Hot Chili Pepper way of thinking... :)
---- > From: Michael Bahr <durnik@indirect.com> > Subject: Fun Facts about my CDs. > > For anyone who's interested... since the subject came up I figured it > might be something people would like to know about. > > FUN FACTS ABOUT MIKE BAHR'S CDs > ================================ > > Number of bounced checks so far 2 > Number of defective CDs so far, total 7 > (all my CDs are 100% guaranteed to play correctly or > I replace them for free.) > Number of CDs given to the band and their friends, total 30+ > Number of CDs owed to Bafu Vai since November of 1995 1
Hmm. Sounds like you need to take care of that order there, Mike... ;)
Bafu Vai
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 13:30:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu> To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: James, Names, Magenta Flames Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.92a.960426133006.119824E-100000@homer10.u.washington.edu>
> From: borlangw <borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk> > Subject: Various Replies > > Why was James so worried? He was perfectly safe on the stage! And as for > the crowd . . . well . . . everyone knows that a concert ain't a concert > unless you emerge suffering from dehydration, 3 broken ribs, and a > gruesome hairstyle.
Firstly, "perfectly safe?!" That "stage" was a three-foot-high large rectangular table. Anyone within five feet of that platform was fully capable of grabbing James' leg. But DT fans in general aren't ravenous, so it's very rare that you'll see a Kip Winger episode at a DT show. (Kip was wearing those cool tiger-print purple scarves around his ankles during the "Heart Of The Young" tour. a girl grabbed one. one girl became two, two became ten, before you know it poor Kip was being dragged into the crowd. dang scarves. can't trust 'em. probably why Agassi stopped wearing them.)
Secondly, James wasn't worried, he was concerned for the front row of people who were being smashed against the stage for the whole first half of the show. James asked the security guards to move the crowd back so the front row would have an easier time moving, breathing, etc. Portnoy even ran out and gave one of them a drumstick in between the frantically shouting/arm-thrusting security guards. Anyone who was at the show should remember this. Were you there, Graham?
---- > From: Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net> > Subject: Rhyme time. > >> "Dear God, please not that. ANYTHING but that." -- Paul Vanyel, at >> Birch Hill, said as James LaBrie ominously said the word "webbage" >> while introducing the next song as the entire lot of us were struggling >> for air and getting crushed. > > Bafu, before you quote somebody, learn their last name. ;-) > > "But Ben, it says Vanyel in his E-Mail adress, so I put that." > > Yeah right. :-)
That's right, you've never referred to Ryan Skadberg as "Skadz," or me, Steve Borzilleri, as "Bafu." Good point, Ben. Good thinking.
>>Be a man, merlo and give it a rest. > > EVERYBODY SHUT UP!!!! This isn't your freakin' kindergarten class. > Sheesh!
And what makes you think it's yours?
---- > From: Bogie34@aol.com > Subject: The longest post? > > To whoever is gathering all the stats about the jam (frequent posters, > etc.), can you find out the longest post of the jam, and who on average > posts the longest? I think it would be kind of interesting. Make sure > you leave out the idiots who accidentally quote the entire jam...
I'm gonna take a stab and say that Mike Bahr, myself, G. Jack Thetgyi, and Ben Laussade would rank #1, 2, 3, and 4.
Bafu Vai
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 13:26:03 -0700 From: ripzero@ix.netcom.com (RipZero ) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: opinions and the double cd Message-ID: <199604262026.NAA04838@dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com>
> I've decided to get off of this mailing list. I find that there is >to many people that make opinion based statements reguarding different >bands' talent. Whether something is good or bad is a persons >interpretation. Just because a bands music isn't a difficult as DT's >doesn't mean that their not good.
ok so would you rather have us just sit around all nice and happy and have absofuckinglutely nothing ever remotely exciting happen??! Come on man, its all in fun, stating opinions n stuff is what makes us think about the other side of the story, we're all very different, its very cool, but we manage, its not about hostility towards difference, we share one thing at least in common - Dream Theater.
on that note- i'm for this double cd thing. They already have a pretty good fan base, and i know whatever they put out we'll all buy, and, as in the case of Ozzy's Live n Loud, maybe DT could do a 1 disc sampler for the new album for everyone who's too cheap for the double, or doesnt know enough about DT yet. Oooorrrrr mmmaaaybbe they could do a GnR illusions thing, release two separate discs.
thats about it for now. ~Rip
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 16:48:34 -0400 From: WildKoba@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: what i have missed Message-ID: <960426164834_479047847@emout18.mail.aol.com>
hello there- it's your friendly neighborhood wild koba here. i haven't read the past 10 jams or so because i've had one roller coaster ass week that also revolved around my "godspell" tour of duty (me on 7 string, drums, and keys- and it sounds really good!). on top of that, i have to prepare a piece for a percussion ensemble gig in 4 days and i have yet to look at the music.
regardless, i assume i have missed a lot of shit. someone (?!?!) emailed me about petrucci and porntoy doing a clinic up in albany (?). oh well. just make sure someone boots it.
a dt double cd, huh? that would be cool. hey- it could be a rock opera! "the life and times of bafu vai." starring dave kobayashi as a younger kevin moore, who then morphs into an old fat version of jp.
sounds fun to me. they could write a song with the names of various ytsejammers.
1) waltz of the crack smoking bafu vais. 2) metropolis 2- the digital man and dougherty 3) learning to air dance (hiya, jen- long time no speak. hope things be cool) 4) a change of ytsecon locations and lastly, 5) space-dye kobayashi
anyways. um, we started covering prog in my rock history class today. he started with the moody blues "...white satin." he broke down prog into three types (he also called it art rock). i don't remember the EXACT qualifications for each (that makes me a bad ta, but oh well).
art rock i- songs with orchestral instruments used. he mentioned the beatles and "yesterday."
art rock ii- certain aspects of classical forms used. again. beatles, "sgt. pepper" and the 2nd half of "abbey road."
art rock ii- i forgot what he said here, but this is where the balls and chunk lay.
i brought in (and he played) some genesis ("lamb"), and of course, the obligatory "roundabout". he did a good job explaining the virtuosity needed to play some of the stuff, and also the cool vocal counterpoint stuff at the end he mentioned in depth.
we ran out of time, and he said he'd play more stuff. i also had some crimson, elp, rush, and when he talks about some modren-day prog, i'm going to play for the class a bit of ltl.
well. must go. peace out, g's, and keep the crack goin'.
love, storm shadow
***************************************************************** david yoichi kobayashi guitars, keyboards.
binghamton university. class of 97.
"me? i'm just the lawnmower- you can tell me by the way i walk." *****************************************************************
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