YTSEJAM Digest 1489
Today's Topics:
1) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 04/27/96 - 01:14:22" <response@ibmmail.com>
2) Re: keyboard music - start of "learning to live"
by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
3) YTSEJAM digest 1485
by keu@pointblank.com
4) Re: keyboard music - start of "learning to live"
by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
5) Re: This KILLED me!
by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
6) Re: Unscribe
by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
7) DT vs QR??? PATHETIC!
by buster <buster@ee.net>
8) Double-CD controversy (?!?!?!?)
by Younis Youssef Hilal <yhilal@uclink.berkeley.edu>
9) Re: keyboard music - start of "learning to live"
by Doug Cronkhite <dougc@cerf.net>
10) Re: Too much caffeine?
by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
11) Re: Ouch!
by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1464
by Jeffrey David Olson <sinista@netexpress.net>
13) Flame on
by Tim <axe@usa.nai.net>
14) more about Derek's gig
by Aladdin <jc309@columbia.edu>
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 20:13:03 EDT
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 96 20:18:38 EDT
From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: keyboard music - start of "learning to live"
Message-ID: <9604270018.AA22010@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
I wrote to this cocksucker privately, but since he had the balls to post this
to the Jam, I figured I'd write him a public message. You, sir, are
completely fucking wrong. If I wanted shit from you, buddy I'd squeeze your
empty fucking head. You know music about as much as I know driving. Who the
fuck do you think you are, anyway? I didn't ask for your advice, and
especially in that tone, young man. I have a good ear, I can hear this shit
much better than you can. I don't care what the hell you know. You probably
have it on tape, which is never tuned right to a synthesizer because it has
to ... oh who cares, yo wouldn't understand it. You can take your response,
buddy and stick it up your own ass without any lubrication. I have been
playing my instrumetn for 18 years, and I take care to learn things exactly.
So take your songbook that is inaccurate and flush that along with your
useless keyboard ger down the toilet. With that attitude, you wasted your
money on a setup, sell it and buy what is at your level, a cheap toy. Fuck
off and die, prick.
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 20:24:32 -0500
From: keu@pointblank.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: YTSEJAM digest 1485
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.4.26.-12.24.32.2377490627.1294524@pointblank.com>
YT><<< This message is part 2 of a previous message >>>
YT>> 1% = some; maybe I should have said a few, or a couple, or what?
YT>>
YT>> This is all my opinion. merlo has stated his opinion by cussing me out
YT>> because of my opinion.
YT>So in order to have a viewpoint, all one must do is counter someone
YT>else's? If you tell me "the spoon is not hot," it doesn't automatically
YT>mean that you think the spoon is cold. But that isn't what you meant.
YT>Oops.
YT>> There is really nothing else which needs to be said about this, BUT I
YT>> know that merlo will have to have the last word. Yep, mr brainchild will
YT>> have to have the last word. What will merlo call me this time?
YT>Probably a bongo-banging monkey.
YT>> Be a man, merlo and give it a rest.
YT>Be a digital man, merlo and keep coming back like an annoying bastard.
YT>Did I just sting both of them in one reply? I'm sorry, that wasn't my
YT>intent. I meant to fully slam that nincompoop Digital Man. Oh well, no
YT>one's perfect.
YT>----
YT>> From: borlangw <borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk>
YT>> Subject: Cons
YT>>
YT>> I want one between June 4th and June 16th, please. Somewhere hot and
YT>> sunny.
YT>>
YT>> Thank you.
YT>Jeff's taking requests? Cool.
YT>I want one between 9am and noon.
YT>I want one between two really big slices of rye bread.
YT>I want one between the devil and the deep blue sea.
YT>I want one between the Prudential rock and that looker from the "Barb
YT> Wire" poster.
YT>I want one between the 17th and 18th frets.
YT>I want one with a little more cream, please.
YT>Bafu Vai
YT>------------------------------
YT>Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 10:07:48 -0700 (PDT)
YT>From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
YT>To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com>
YT>Subject: Flames, .Sigs, Coincidences
YT>Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.92a.960426100158.124174G-100000@homer15.u.washington
YT>> From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
YT>> Subject: Lot's of stuff...
YT>>
YT>> First off... Corey E. Cleary. This is way out of hand. At least
YT>> DreamNDay's posts had *some* value. Here's a breakdown of Corey on the
YT>> last 'jam: # of posts: 3
YT>> # of lines he typed, total: 4 3%
YT>> # of lines in headers, total: 15 13%
YT>> # of quoted lines, total: 53 45%
YT>> # of .sig lines, total: 33 28%
YT>>
YT>> Of that, the amount of relevant info: 1 line (He wants WDaTU)
YT>You forgot a few, Pat.
YT># of posts written purely to flame someone else: 0 0%
YT>Of those, amount responding childishly to flames: 0 lines.
YT>It'd be pretty neat if other people were like this. (There was a time when
YT>you were the new guy around here, Pat old buddy.)
YT>> Some responses to Corey:
YT>> >I might have the spare cash, BUT I need a copy of WDATU. Can anyone
YT>> >help??
YT>>
YT>> Yes, Corey. Send me the $5000, and I will see to it that you get a copy
YT>> of WDaDU. In fact, I'll gift wrap it.
YT>Actually, Corey, this isn't true.
YT>Pat won't really gift wrap it. :)
YT>> >>later,
YT>> >>Cory
YT>> >>Just to let everyone know that might me confuzzed, this is not me.
YT>>
YT>> We know that already:
YT>> a.) The headers say so (From: swanson@henge.com (Sheila Swanson))
YT>> b.) It's signed "Cory", not "Corey E. Cleary"
YT>> c.) The post was relevant, interesting, and humorous.
YT>> d.) The author didn't get flamed for posting 6 times in the same
YT>> digest and not including anything that anyone wants to hear.
YT>Gee, I'm not flaming him. Who's flaming him, Pat?
YT>> Corey, I have a solution for your problem. You can get counseling by
YT>> sending the message "unsubscribe ytsejam Corey Cleary" to
YT>> "ytsejam-request@ax.com" with a subject of "asdf" Good luck. :)
YT>You know, I've been having back pains, do you think this will help?
YT>> ----------------ON-TO-OTHER-THINGS-----------------
YT>Whoah, you have a goal other than ripping on the new guy?
YT>> Jeff: I'd like the idea of a summer get together. If I can't make the
YT>> one you plan, I'll be in NY and avalible on the 6th of June. To all my
YT>> NY/LI IRC pals, we have to plan something for that day. Maybe a dinner,
YT>> or something. Maybe we can all just get together and T.P. Jeff's house.
YT>June 6th...cool people have birthdays on June 6th...
YT>> About the Cons:
YT>> Stop complaining. Not everyone can go, that's a given.
YT>Coming from the master of tranquility himself.
YT>Stop complaining about our complaints.
YT>> To Damon: I have a pic to use for you. It's a surprise. >:)
YT>I'm laughing on the inside right now... ;>
YT>> The Spring Theory:
YT>> 95% of all female college co-eds look better in shorts.
YT>> The remaining 5% are fat. :)
YT>Hmm. Mind if I test this theory by ogling women from my balcony with a
YT>telescope and a box of doughnuts tomorrow? It's supposed to be sunny...
YT>> To Corey: see.... only one post....
YT>Whoah. I think I have some semaphores around here somewhere if this
YT>doesn't work... :)
YT>----
YT>> From: eyl7720 <eyl7720@garnet.acns.fsu.edu>
YT>> Subject: Another Ytsecon, Overkill,
YT>>
YT>> Finally I would like to request that everyone make their sigs twice
YT>> as long. Whats wrong with you people? Real sigs should take up two
YT>> screens, not just one. :)
YT>If you insist...
YT>----
YT>> From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
YT>> Subject: Coincidences
YT>>
YT>> Funny how things work out. I was reading the last Jam and listening to
YT>> Rush's "Moving Pictures." While reading a certain post, one particular
YT>> line from "Witch Hunt" caught my ear:
YT>>
YT>> "Ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand"
YT>>
YT>> Maybe it's just me, or my uncanny luck with Rush relating to life so
YT>> damned well. I dunno.
YT>Yeah, it sure is funny how things work out, Chris. I was reading the last
YT>Jam and listening to the Spin Doctors' "Homebelly Groove - Live!" While
YT>reading a certain post, a few particular lines from "Yo Mamas A Pajama"
YT>caught my ear:
YT>"Yo mama's a pajama!
YT> Yo mama's a llama!
YT> And yo daddy's a catty!
YT> And yo sister's a blister!"
YT>Maybe it's just the Spin Doctors, or the Ytsejam digest's uncanny pattern
YT>of its dialogues relating to nursery-namecalling so damn well. I dunno.
YT>Bafu Vai
YT>[extended .sig]
***IS IT ME OR ARE THESE JAMS GETTING TO LONG!?!?!?!
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 96 20:29:24 EDT
From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: keyboard music - start of "learning to live"
Message-ID: <9604270029.AA30180@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
Doug. I don't know you very well, but I want to take you out for a beer. Or
5. and I am not gay, just appreciative that somebody actually came to my
defense on this. I know I am not wrong, because I learned right off the CD.
But, I said what I had to say in my previous post?
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 96 20:31:51 EDT
From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: This KILLED me!
Message-ID: <9604270031.AA00558@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
Just on equestion. Did he say f sharp? I am sorry that I can't read the
symbols for F sharp, and I didn't know that it was a crime to have a visual
disability, Mort. Why don't you go stick your inger into the electrical
socket normally reserved for the keyboards you can't play, you loser. It may
actually improve your intelligence, and if not, it will definitely improve my
sanity.
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 96 20:34:34 EDT
From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Unscribe
Message-ID: <9604270034.AA18956@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
Damn. I was hoping this message was from Mort. Unsubscribe, jesus. The wrong
person quit.
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 20:36:28 -0700
From: buster <buster@ee.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT vs QR??? PATHETIC!
Message-ID: <3181963C.6AC4@ee.net>
I just wanted to post a quick blast on the DT vs QR thing:
First of all, this is ALL IN MY OWN HUMBLE OPINION!
1. IMHO if you LOVE DT, but you hate QR, then you are missing the point of progressive
rock big time!
2. IMHO if you LOVE QR, but you hate DT, then you are missing the point of progressive
rock big time!
3. IMHO if you would rather pit the two bands against each other, rather than enjoying
and appreciating thier similarities and differences, then you need to re-evaluate WHY
you listen to music at all!
4. IMHO if you REALLY know what progressive music is about, then you would see that BOTH
QR and DT contain all of the elements that a progressive fan would look for. Heavy
sounds and lighter sounds, deep subconcious stimulating lyrics, evolution from album to
album, writing without compromising their own musical beliefs and craft, and absolutely
killer playing and togetherness.
Can you imagine what both bands would think if they were online and reading this
childish squabble over them as if they were WWF wrestling personalities??? DUH!
Again, just my OWN HUMBLE OPINION. Thank you for the time....
Dave (buster@ee.net)
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 17:32:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Younis Youssef Hilal <yhilal@uclink.berkeley.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Double-CD controversy (?!?!?!?)
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9604261607.A5512-0100000@uclink.berkeley.edu>
I just read through 5 Jams and I must say I was surprised at the amount
of opposition to the idea of DT releasing everything they've got
written. I guess I just wanted to take a moment to go around and review
some of the arguments against a 2-CD set and respond. Here goes:
1) "We'll be overworking the band members, they won't start touring for
another year, etc...."
To the first part, I say this: if you're really in love with what you're
doing for a living, the best thing to do is work your ass off at that
livelihood and excel at it. This goes for any profession. JP (who BTW
started this 2-CD fever) lives by this policy, as far as I can tell.
We've all heard about the obscene amounts of time he spends practicing on
the guitar, and it's evident from his solos that he's some kinda
composing whiz as well. Translation: he's damn good, and he's always
working on getting better. It wouldn't surprise me if the other DT
members subscribe to a similar philosophy. Fact is, I would *expect*
them to be willing to take the time (no pun intended) to spend all kinds
of time composing, rehearsing, and re-working the songs that would show
up on such a 2-CD set. As for touring, I'd rather wait an additional
month or two for a tour to start than forget about the stuff they cut
out in the studio. This brings me to:
2) "If they release one CD, they can edit out all the slop, and we'll be
left with quality material."
What slop? Just because DT cuts something from an album at editing time
doesn't mean that what they're cutting is garbage. I'm willing to bet
that the stuff they've cut from their albums is stuff we'd love to hear
(e.g. ACoS which was cut from I&W before release, and at one time, looked
like it might never be released).
3) "The stuff that gets cut will show up on bootlegs or on B-sides."
For one thing, the stuff on bootlegs won't have a sound quality to match
a studio recording. I listen very carefully to the drums AND the
percussion, so this is important to me. As for B-sides, well, I wanna
collect as much DT stuff as possible. I'd rather get the 2-CD set and
whatever DT cuts from THAT can show up on the B-sides and I'll be a happy
man:). I mean, there's gonna be no end to the kind of stuff they can put
on B-sides, but there are a limited # of B-sides. So I say, let DT
release as much as the record company allows 'em to (hopefully 2 CDs!), and
let the rest show up "somewhere else".
4) "Putting out a 2-CD set would be a bad marketing move for DT right now."
There is something to this argument, and I agree that it would be a
better idea to release the 2 CD's separately but at the same time (like
GnR's Use Your Illusion). I can't see ANYTHING about this that would
hurt DT's marketability.
5) "Wouldn't DT think it obnoxious of this list to once again place
demands like we did for ACos?"
Here's a radical opinion: I think DT was DELIGHTED that they got all
this demand for ACoS. Think of how much time they spent composing,
rehearsing, and re-working it. What would they be thinking about it if
it had NEVER been released? They'd be thinking, "What a
damn shame! We put all this time into this one song and we never got to
release it!!!" Think of it this way: if you put a lot of time into
creating something, and you wanted to show it to everyone, wouldn't
you be elated if everyone suddenly demanded to see it? I certainly would!
And I imagine DT felt the same way when they saw the demands people were
making to get ACoS released. This time around, though, things would be
different. Instead of clamoring to hear a well-known track that's only
been played a few times live, people would be clamoring to hear MORE of
DT's music, more than can be put on one CD. I can't think of a higher
compliment to pay to the band.
Lastly, I put forth the argument that (altho I'm not in band myself), I
would think that DT would be really glad to hear that its fans have a
strong interest in ALL their compositions, and not just "legendary"
tracks like ACoS.
Although given Ibanez's last post, this 2-CD thing is prob'ly dead in the
water, it might be possible to get 2 separate CD's. So, after I send out
this message, I'm going to launch Netscape, sign my name to that
petition, AND send that letter to EastWest. Hope you ALL do the same.
Younis Hilal---------------------------------------yhilal@uclink.berkeley.edu
(now AKA "Yoondog" on IRC)
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 17:48:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: Doug Cronkhite <dougc@cerf.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: keyboard music - start of "learning to live"
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960426174637.10911A-100000@noc.cerf.net>
There is just no reason for anyone to act this way... this guy just feels
better by making others feel worse.. I have little time to worry about
such people. I treasure my music.. I don't need some ignorant ass to
berate me or anyone else simply to stroke his own ego..
Doug
On Fri, 26 Apr 1996, Damon M. Fibraio wrote:
> Doug. I don't know you very well, but I want to take you out for a beer. Or
> 5. and I am not gay, just appreciative that somebody actually came to my
> defense on this. I know I am not wrong, because I learned right off the CD.
> But, I said what I had to say in my previous post?
>
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 96 20:50:19 EDT
From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Too much caffeine?
Message-ID: <9604270050.AA28306@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
For the record, I said the song was in F sharp, that is, the black key
between F and G.
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 96 20:58:27 EDT
From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Ouch!
Message-ID: <9604270058.AA01532@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
Bafu, thanks for the support. I was crying from laughing so hard. So, I am
whole and complete. The question is, do I stink as much as Mor?> I mean, do I
clear a bathroom?
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 20:49:28 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jeffrey David Olson <sinista@netexpress.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1464
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960426204721.21171A-100000@shamu>
It would appear we have a rampant Jerky Boy on our hands.
Frank Rizzo... I don't need to talk to you JERKY!
> From: Morten Refsdal <mrefsdal@sn.no>
> Subject: Re: keyboard music - start of "learning to live"
>
> Dear POS "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
Wonder what POS stands for? Poor Old Stalagmite?
No more like Particularly, & Openly Stupid.
> Hold on sir, first of all this song is definitely NOT in F sharp, but in
> F#.
"Ohh, Benson. You are so mercifully free from the ravages of
intelligence."
--Evil, "Time Bandits"
"No Luke, I am your Father!"
--Darth Vader, "Star Wars"
Man, if he'd said that to my face, I'd have clobbered him with A sharp
stick. Then he'd B flat. His first post, and already he's A Minor
disturbance who can't C sharp musicians to save his life...
AND, Iv'e never seen such A Diminished post on the Jam to date.
> And your intro seem to be a little wrong you see, 'cause you really
> have missed out a few # and a couple of notes. Try cleaning your ears,
> that'll maybe help.
Or did he mean, "Open ya fuckin' EARS, jackass!" Any Jerkies in the house?
Can you hear me in the back?
"I am the Egyptian Magician, and I have lage mountain cat"
> Well, congratulations, 'cause that's the first thing you've managed to
> catch!
Well, congratulations, 'cause you've earned my ass. Now start buffing. No
no no, please, with your tongue.
(I aint even gonna touch that one Bafu)
[Budah stuff deleted]
But you, Damon, above
all else, should be aware of your complete shitiness, and quake not at the
insults of lesser excrement.
Confusious (SP?) say, "Gather ye Rosebuds while ye may" ... no that was
LaBrie, no.. not him either.. Hmmm
> So may I come with a suggestion? LISTEN and UNDERSTAND their music
> before you come along and present your wrong material.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Uhhh huhuh uhh huh huh ..Yeah, that was pretty cool.
(For the life of me D, I don't know which of us has been quoting that line
longer. I know I've been quoting it longer The Wrong Way...but oh well)
> I've played the extended version of "Learning To Live" for almost two
> years now, so I now that, and about every other Dream Theater song very,
> very well. If someone needs help with solos or tough parts, just mail me
> and I'll reply ASAP.
Got that part at 12:42 of ACOS? For either keyboard OR guitar? Then yeah,
you're good.
Agreed.
Sorry, 'bout all the quoting. :) couldn't resist
Bafu.. you *DO* rule :)
Sinista
Jeff Olson
SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THE FIRST AND LAST POST OF YTSEJAM #1466
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 21:55:33 -0400
From: Tim <axe@usa.nai.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Flame on
Message-ID: <199604270155.VAA16568@usa.nai.net>
>From: nelson evan andrew <enelson@students.uiuc.edu>
>Actually, I think Ytse and Jam help to lighten up the 'Jam (which is a
>good thing.) It isn't difficult to skip past them if you aren't
>interested. Besides, would you rather see more stuff like this instead?
>> From: Tim <axe@usa.nai.net>
>> Ok, how many Ytsejammers want to get $50 in free money? (yes real money).
>> Through this program I am in, I can send you an application through
>> US snail mail for a VISA card that has no annual fee, a low interest rate,
>> and the info about the $50....
Gee. SORRY MR. ANDREW EVAN NELSON OR WHATEVER YOUR NAME IS.
I forgot **you ** were the one who set the content for the 'jam.
GOD! ExCUUUUUUUUUUUUUSSSSSSE MEEE for trying to offer the jammers
a GOOD DEAL when I see one. I'm sorry if you disagree, but I think
most of us jammers see the list as more than just a list.but kind
of an extended online family.....hence we try to help each other out...
If you can't understand that, then do us all a favor and unsubscribe now,
and go join alt.fan.newkids.on.the.block.!
Peace and Love,
Tim
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 22:24:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: Aladdin <jc309@columbia.edu>
To: BafuJam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: more about Derek's gig
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960426222030.14934A-100000@ciao.cc.columbia.edu>
Dear guys,
Hey there! I just wanted to add a bit more information for the gig that
Derek is doing:
Place: People's Bar and Grill
1972 Jericho Turnpike
Elwood, Long Island (in Huntington)
(516) 499-2708
Band: Ethyl Mertz
w/ Derek Sherinian
Al Pitrelli
Greg Smith
and other special guests
Time: May 10th, starting at 10pm
Cover
Charge: None
Hope to see some of you there!
Yours,
Jeff =)
P.S. Wear your ytsejam shirts!
<*> Jeff Chew <*> jc309@columbia.edu <*> jeffc@dreamt.org <*>
<*> Columbia University <*> (212) 853-6952 <*> Beeper (917) 712-4828 <*>
<*> http://www.columbia.edu/~jc309/dreamt.html <*>
"Aladdin! You just won the heart of the princess! What are
you gonna do next?" --- Genie, Disney's Aladdin
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