YTSEJAM Digest 1499
Today's Topics:
1) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 04/29/96 - 08:16:44" <response@ibmmail.com>
2)
by Balla Gabor <qgerobag@gold.uni-miskolc.hu>
3) Bits'n'oieces
by nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop)
4) Re : The Helloween Debate
by IP ROTHERHAM <ACC3IPR6@novell4.bham.ac.uk>
5) Re: Ronnie Scott's prob... / DT Live releases
by esb01@students.stir.ac.uk (E. Ballinger)
6) syrinx on irc? WHAT THE...?
by mike <syrinx@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
7) What if?/Tori/Stuff
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
8) Re: Concept Albums
by John Shaft <polzin@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu>
9) Bahr Hunting/QR Live
by "mmetzger" <mmetzger@bostech.com>
10) my developing ear; DT and baseball
by kristopher long <long16@matrix.newpaltz.edu>
11) IVANHOE
by kingfrog@prolog.net
12) Re: Concept Albums
by Doug Cronkhite <dougc@cerf.net>
13) Magna Carta and (Gasp) no flames and (gasp, wheeze) DTC!!!!!
by napkins@clandjop.com (Seth Hatlelid)
14) Tori & Alannis
by BILL HUSTON <HUSTON@IOMEGA.COM>
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1488
by babs@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu (Barb Battaglia)
16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1497
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
17) Hot DAMN! (Petrucci & Portnoy clinics)
by "Jeffrey Hochberg" <jeffrey_hochberg@CCGATEWAY.AMC.EDU>
18) Drum Transcriptions
by "S.R.L." <95fa467@dvc.edu>
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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 03:15:20 EDT
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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 10:00:09 +0000 (CEST)
From: Balla Gabor <qgerobag@gold.uni-miskolc.hu>
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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 96 12:07:24 +0200
From: nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: nga@server3.software-ag.de
Subject: Bits'n'oieces
Message-ID: <9604291007.AA00284@sundoc13.software-ag.de>
Hi all
Here's a bunch of stuff that has been accumulating over the past week or so.
1. Perhaps the Jam should carry a warning in the future, something along the
lines "WARNING - THIS CONTAINS SO MANY FLAMES THAT IT IS LIKELY TO UNDERGO
SPONTANEOUS COMBUSTION".
2. One CD or two? One's enough for me, thank you. I think 140 minutes of Dream
Theater at one go would get boring (unless they are playing live in my front
room, of course).
3. Concept albums. Some of these may already have been mentioned, but these
were missing from the original list:
- Genesis "The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway"
- Genesis "Duke" (at least *I* think it's a concept album)
- Pink Floyd "The Wall"
- Who "Tommy"
- Who "Quadrophenia"
- Sting "Ten Summoners' Tales" (based on The Canterbury Tales by Chaucer)
- Zappa "Joe's Garage"
- Rick Wakeman "Six Wives of Henry VIII"
- Rick Wakeman "Journey To The Center Of The Earth"
- Rick Wakeman "King Arthur"
- Camel "The Snow Goose"
- Jon Anderson "Olias Of Sunhillow"
4. Does anybody know the release date of the new Pantera album in Europe (more
specifically, in Germany)?
5. Can anybody tell me anything about the new British band Dearly Beheaded?
I like what I've seen and heard on Headbangers' Ball, and I would like to find
out more.
6. Go and see the film Dead Man Walking if you haven't already done so. At long
last a real film that deals with a real theme.
7. The earth sucks (I've heard prostitutes do too, but I can't confirm it).
8. Morgen gehe ich auf das Vanden-Plas-Konzert in Wiesbaden. Gehen andere
Krautjammers hin? Falls ja, sag mal Bescheid, und wir treffen uns an die Bar.
9. A quick joke to finish off with. What do you call a dog with no legs? It
doesn't really matter, he isn't going to come anyway.
stay safe and happy listening
Neil Gallop
(nga@software-ag.de)
Currently playing: The Clash - Give 'em Enough Rope
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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 10:54:42
From: IP ROTHERHAM <ACC3IPR6@novell4.bham.ac.uk>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re : The Helloween Debate
Message-ID: <3003C8164A7@novell4.bham.ac.uk>
If you're talking about buying an album, I too would recommend an
older one.
Helloween continually got better until Kai Hansen left and formed
Gamma Ray, then they produced poor albums in Pink Bubbles Go Ape and
Chameleon. However, having recently bought Time of the Oath, they are
getting back to were they were. I don't have a copy of MOR and so
couldn't comment.
I recommend Keeper pt 1 or Live in the UK
P.S. Apologies for the copied sig, but it normally only gets local
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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 12:50:33 +0100
From: esb01@students.stir.ac.uk (E. Ballinger)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Ronnie Scott's prob... / DT Live releases
Message-ID: <v01520d00adaa5a709f5f@[139.153.41.151]>
Adam Pye wrote in Jam 1498:
> Hold up. I just got a full copy of the Ronnie Scott's show and the
>songs are quite different from what shows up on Uncovered on ACOS. Did they
>do multiple shows here? It's weird 'cuz James' comments b/t songs are the
>same and he laughs at the same times, but his vocals are much different and
>the band throws in some different improvs. I'm sure this must have been
>discussed before, but I apparently missed it. Someone let me know what's
>going on...
I've not seen this being discussed before, but I wasn't at the gig and
haven't heard any other versions of the songs other than those on ACOS, so
I don't know about those tracks specifically, BUT what I want to know is
have DT re-recorded (in the studio) certain parts of their live tracks
(vocals specifically) before releasing them. It jst strikes me as strange
when on every bootleg of DT i've heard, James has been struggling with the
long, high notes, but on LatM, LiT, and ACOS he sings them fine. Was anyone
at the Marquee gig or the Tokyo gig who remembers whether James actually
sang like that on the night?
Cheers... Edd.
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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 08:16:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: mike <syrinx@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
To: Yitz-see-jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: syrinx on irc? WHAT THE...?
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.960429081250.19663B-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
Howdy, all.
some of you had the opportunity to see me <albeit briefly> enter
#ytsejam, and converse with the peons. :) You know, my server sucks.
Anyway, i can say now "i was there", and whether i'll have the time to
get back on their remains (as with life) a mystery...
hey - if any of you are into really good industrial music, check out the
band Swamp Terrorists. They're a german 2_some, and they're incredible.
Mikey Bahr - can mojo and i do TSM? ppppplllllllleeeeeeeeaaaaaaaassssseeee?
<WHAT? YOU CALLED HIM MIKEY???>
<shrug>.
ok. time to enter school_comatose_mode.
syrinx has spoken.
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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 09:44:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: What if?/Tori/Stuff
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960429093900.29952C-100000@bdmserver>
I was thinking the other day about what would have happended if DT had
realeased Images and Words and Awake in 1987-1988. That was about the
time where heavy metal and hard rock thrived... Would DT have become mega
stars or faded out like a lot of bands did.
****
My fiancee took me to the Tori Amos concert in DC on Satruday. I have to
say that it was a great show. She is very talented. She did mess up the
vocals to Hey Jupiter during the encore. She was singing "I sang this
verse twice, I am trying to find my place but I will start the verse over..."
It was wierd though to sit for a concert...
****
You can get all Magna Carta albums from cdconnection.com. Jus telnet there.
****
Mojoman wrote:
> Stick a fork in me...Im done...
hmmm... I said this after I got engaged...
****
Didn't we do this concept album thing a couple of months ago?
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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 09:27:35 -0500 (CDT)
From: John Shaft <polzin@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Concept Albums
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.960429092633.20372B-100000@eehpx30.cen.uiuc.edu>
>
> I may be reaching a bit on these two, but see what you think...
>
> Boston -- Third Stage
> Queensryche -- Promised Land
>
I dont believe that promised land is a concept album. Maybe mindcrime
though.
Ed
[31m WWW: http://www.cen.uiuc.edu/~polzin/
[34m DT: http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/polzin/dt/dt.htm
[35mBOOTLEGS: http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/polzin/boots/boots.htm
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[34m- has a light side, and it holds the Universe together. -
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Date: 28 Apr 1996 13:28:32 U
From: "mmetzger" <mmetzger@bostech.com>
To: "YTSEJAM" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Bahr Hunting/QR Live
Message-ID: <n1381350061.8945@macsmtp>
A) EL-N-GEE BAHR HUNT
Catching up on many old posts, I came across references to someone frequently
frequenting the crowd at the El-N-Gee looking for Mike (sometimes Matt) Bahr.
Yes, that was me. I had his ticket and had promised to get it to him. Was
frustrated at the prospect of not succeeding in getting him said ticket.
Thought that I would be kissing goodbye any future Bahr CD if I failed. Turns
out he couldn't make it up to CT after all, but I know that he appreciated my
effort. On the brighter side, after every pass through the crowd looking for a
Bahr, I stopped into a Bar to warm up/have a beer. So not all was lost.
B) QUEENSRYCHE BLOWS LIVE (musically)
Just a point to add to those who need to defend DT's superiority over QR (whom I
do like a lot, at least their older stuff - Mindcrime is great). I have seen QR
live three times and there has been an appalling lack of creativity in both
their guitar playing and in their live arrangements. While DT often adds
different arrangements and extends songs (and JP is, of course, a deity), QR
plod through trying to duplicate what they produced in the studio. Frequently,
guitar solos are played virtually "note-by-note" the same as on the studio
versions. The last tour was indeed interesting visually, but musically they
just dont cut it. (Should they have gone to Berklee ?? :-)
Later,
Mark Metzger
Great time to be a Boston sports fan. No, really.
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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 11:21:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: kristopher long <long16@matrix.newpaltz.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: my developing ear; DT and baseball
Message-ID: <199604291521.LAA07527@matrix.newpaltz.edu>
Is there anyone else besides me who started out listening to DT and skipping
a few songs on each CD? It's weird, each album always had a few songs i
didn't like so i'd just zip past them, but now i find i like every single
song, at least enough to listen through every cd without touching the skip
button. the more i listen to songs i don't like as much, the more they grow
on me, i guess i just never gave them a chance before (i.e.- silent man,
another day, LSoaD). That happen to anybody else?
Oh yeah, last jam had a post about Chris Berman's prog-related nicknames.
I'm into baseball a lot and i've heard him use both of them before. Hey,
how 'bout Sid Bream "Theater"? Dave "and" Justice "for all". Bud Black
"Flag". Ty "Tabor" Cobb. or for basketball players: Todd "Another" Day,
Chris "Caught in a" Webber. Ok, enough of that. Keep it raw, yo!
Kris Long
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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 11:39:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: kingfrog@prolog.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: IVANHOE
Message-ID: <199604291539.LAA14550@ns1.ptd.net>
I'd really like to get people's opinions on Ivanhoe. They are a German
progressive metal band and have put out two CDs so far. Their first was
"Visions...and Reality". They sounded more like Queensryche on this one. Their
second...."Symbols of Time" gets my vote as best album of 95. Hands down! I
will be the first one to admit they do sound a lot like DT..maybe too much at
times...but I still can't stop listening to this. It's available as an import
or in the US through Avalanche Records (They are on the internet) You can also
find an ad for their company in any recent Metal Edge mag.
There has been a lot of talk lately on QR Operation Mindcrime.....I think
it's one of the best albums ever made....It would come in a close second to
DT's IAW....
I'm really glad that DT released ACOS...but I sio much perfer the old
version...Why did they change that? any questions on Ivanhoe...drop me a line
at kingfrog@prolog.net
Brian
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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 09:21:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: Doug Cronkhite <dougc@cerf.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Concept Albums
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960429091831.19552C-100000@noc.cerf.net>
> I dont believe that promised land is a concept album. Maybe mindcrime
> though.
Promised land is a concept album in the form of an examined life. Take a
look at the thoughts and intent of each song from the first track,
representing birth, to Crossroads, when the "character" is looking at
the twilight of his/her life. It's a concept, or recurring theme or
whatever.. it just doesn't hit you in the face like Mindcrime did.. Which
for those of you keeping score.. is still my favorite QR CD.
Doug Cronkhite
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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 11:39:02 -0500
From: napkins@clandjop.com (Seth Hatlelid)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Magna Carta and (Gasp) no flames and (gasp, wheeze) DTC!!!!!
Message-ID: <v01510102adaa9b75c4f7@[204.71.98.31]>
Hiya,
Hello everyone! How are you all today? To the people who are
looking for Magna Carta stuff, I have Great news for you. I had been
looking all over for MC stuff and couldn't find any here in Joplin, MO
(bunghole of America, well almost). So I simply made some phone calls and
got the address and phone number. Here goes:
Magna Carta Records
C\O Shrapnel Records
PO Box P
Novato, CA 94948
(415) 898-5047
Hope That helps!
DTC: I have a statment about Derek and a series of questions about Myung.
Does it seem to anyone else that Derek seems to be fitting in really well
in DT socially? I mean, every time somebody spots a member of DT it's
*fill in the DT member* and Derek. The guy seems to be everywhere. He
also seems to impress everyone whom he meets in person as a really friendly
guy. He also is a true workaholic, playing club shows for free with side
bands, teaching lessons (for guitar and keys), socializing, and writing
complex songs with the Dream Team. I can't say how he will be musically as
the only Derek stuff I have heard is off of ACOS (I love his train noise).
I just have a good feeling about the guy. I know I'm going to get flamed
for this but Moore just did not seem like a very happy guy. In LiT he was
very sardonic all the time, "I don't like Dream Theater that much, but I
had a pen and some paper so what the fuck." He just seemed so fed up with
life. Petrucci seems totally friendly and mellow, Portnoy was the child
whose parents couldn't stuff enough Ridlin down his throat (he's just the
coolest spaz), Myung is the spooky mellow komono guy, and LaBrie has been
known to crack a joke or two, but Moore? Just a generally unhappy guy it
seamed. I sent him an email supporting his new direction (but I didn't buy
his demo, because I didn't like the sound bytes at all). He sent me a
short but pleasant reply so I think that he is happier now, but his music
seems to say that he is still very depressed all the time. Maybe he could
use some Prozac ;-). I just think that Derek's personality seems to mesh
with the other members of DT very well and I eagerly look forward to their
first release with Derek. DT improved greatly when they booted Charlie,
who knows, maybe it will happen again.
Boy this post is freakin long. Myung questions: Does Myung give bass
lessons? ON what songs does he use his acoustic bass? I heard that Myung
uses octave droppers (i heard this on the Bottom Line mailing lsit for
bassists, no Myung is not on it). I have listened to all of the bass work
on WDADU through ACOS and I can't hear any of the "muddiness" of an ocatave
dropper. Does he use them live? I say them on the Awake tour and the bass
was not quite as clear as it was on the albums, especially on the
Metropolis solo. I just chalked it up to a shitty sound guy. Anybody
know?
Finally I have reached the end, Back to your regularly schedualed jam.
napkins@clandjop.com
Seth Hatlelid
"You think your sig is soooo freakin clever, don't ya? But your sig is
just a tool of the establishment. Your sig is repressing my rights,
to...to...oh shut the fuck up!"
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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 12:02:48 -0600
From: BILL HUSTON <HUSTON@IOMEGA.COM>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Tori & Alannis
Message-ID: <s184af26.043@IOMEGA.COM>
New for those of you that are in or are going to be in SLC in June if
you care:
Tori Amos June 3 Delta Center
Alannis Morrisette June 21 Delta Center
No I'm not going, just giving info to Salt Lake jammers.
Later,
Wilmo
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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 14:19:39 -0500 (EST)
From: babs@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu (Barb Battaglia)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1488
Message-ID: <v01510101adaa7f68103c@[137.238.26.12]>
However, he said it is possible that a DAT of the unfinished work may have
been sent out to radio stations in major cities. This would explain why
BABS heard no keys in the mix.
Aha! Very interesting. I am positive that there were no keys on it. So
our search will continue to find the correct answer on this. I'll keep
trying to call the station and see what their explanation is. It could
very well be that it was just a simple cover tune by some band. I sure
wish that we had Leonard Nimoy here to narrate our "In Search Of..."
dilemma (giggle).
-BABS
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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 14:29:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1497
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9604291433.C18535-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
> Subject: PMU as Rebellion?
>
> Remember the talk about rebellion, and how DT isn't?
> (Come on, it was only a week ago, never mind that it
> was ~30 Jams ago)? Well, PMU, at least the words
> most people can make out, could be construed as rebellion
Partha- I think that you have given a real strong analysis here. Yet, I
still like the idea given earlier (and I can't remember by whom! Argh!)
that DT is a rebellion against the rebellion. The MTV set wants
something far more than rebellion - they want to fit in. True that the
New Thing is rebellion ala PJ and Nirvana. But if the New Thing were
polka, then you'd see high school kids eating kielbasa and trying to mosh
to polka, much the same way they try to mosh to today's stuff. Just a
thought.
As far as the concept album thread, I've only seen one person list this
one:
Rush/2112
Also, nobody has mentioned:
Rush/Presto (everything relates to magic)
Rush/Roll The Bones (luck)
Rush/Counterparts (things that go together)
That's it for now. (Oh, stop cheering! :)
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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 96 14:25:52 EST
From: "Jeffrey Hochberg" <jeffrey_hochberg@CCGATEWAY.AMC.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Hot DAMN! (Petrucci & Portnoy clinics)
Message-ID: <9603298308.AA830813926@CCGATEWAY.AMC.EDU>
Whoooeee! What a weekend!
John & Mike both gave clinics here in the Albany, NY area this past
weekend, and they were totally killer in case you hadn't already
guessed. If you're interested in a full-length review of one or the
other or both, let me know and I'll work on it. No time right now.
Just a few comments:
The music John has recorded for the upcoming Sega video game
"Necronomicon" fucking SHREDS. He played us a DAT of 2 songs, and I'm
not exaggerating when I refer to it as the heaviest, most intense
shred-fest I've ever heard in my life. There is no way Sega could ever
come up with a game cool enough to deserve such a soundtrack. :) WOW.
"Raise the Knife" is amazing stuff. Mike played along with an
instrumental demo version of it, and although the acoustics in the
Howard Johnson's conference room were pretty lousy, what I could make
out was simply excellent. It clocked in at around 12 minutes or so.
When I asked Mike if he had a message for us folks on YTSEJAM, he told
me he's planning to buy a computer and will probably be lurking
amongst us sometime in the near future. (I hope for his sake that some
of us grow up a little by the time he subscribes)
Gotta run,
Jeff jeffrey_hochberg@ccgateway.amc.edu
t.a.f.k.a. hochbj@sage.edu
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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 11:42:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: "S.R.L." <95fa467@dvc.edu>
To: YTSE JAM DIGEST <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Drum Transcriptions
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960429113727.17339A-100000@viking.dvc.edu>
Hi everyone:
There has been a lot of talk lately of Transcriptions for bass
and keyboards lately...but none for drums. Any jammers out there
interested in figuring out some DT songs? I already know PMU, and a
little of TTT. What do you guys think. Maybe we could somehow compile all
of what we come up with and make it available to other drummers on the jam.
Zimbob
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Scott Luttringer zimbob@dreamt.org
"Every man dies; not every man really lives." Mel Gibson (Braveheart)
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