YTSEJAM Digest 1739
Today's Topics:
1) Replacing James (GASP!!), KX, Wild K's B-day!
by rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
2) nwe DT singer
by Scott Cook <skooc@earthlink.net>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1738
by Scott Cook <skooc@earthlink.net>
4) uh , i need some like dates for Petrucci Guitar clinics...
by Trevor Connor <pjconnor@iwaynet.net>
5) No vocals...
by j_m_b@juno.com
6) People with really kuul amps!
by nishiki@juno.com (Aaron Silverman)
7) Lots O Important Stuff (incl. return of the tape trade)
by Ed Reed <ereed@comp.uark.edu>
8) Working Man Tribute
by "John R. Kotzian" <koggie@cyberspace.org>
9) IRC
by Mithrandir <mithrandir@pb.net>
10) Some comic relief (skip if you're humor-impaired)
by skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
11) Moo Off!
by "Frank Benenati" <mojonet@pb.net>
12) SG and 'tage
by "LRW" <sir@micron.net>
13) Instrumental DT
by jestok@interlog.com (Mike Estok)
14) What if LaBrie left/U2 cover
by Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net>
15) Re: U2 song (again, sorry)
by Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net>
16) KX chicks grabbing some tail
by Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net>
17) A flag for Pam, and all of us
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
18) Re: KX chicks grabbing some tail
by SaVeur <saveur@cais.cais.com>
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Date: Sun, 04 Aug 1996 21:06:19 GMT
From: rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Replacing James (GASP!!), KX, Wild K's B-day!
Message-ID: <32050ba4.26495545@mail.inforamp.net>
Wait a minute, this isn't IRC!
>Date: Sat, 03 Aug 1996 15:06:15 -0500
>From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
>To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
>Subject: moonfrozen cows.
>Message-ID: <3203B136.7465@dreamt.org>
>
>hey, this could be a fun thread... just wondering, if LaBrie for some
>reason left DT who would you like to see take over? just curious. :)
I would like to see Midnight step up to the mic. He certainly
has the range and he can write as well. God knows it would be a vast
improvement from his house painting gig. :(
>Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 18:22:17 -0400
>From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
>yeah, but i hear that sam taylor was *very* narrow-minded on how to
>produce. it was *his* way, or no way. that's why all three wylde silas
>bands (KX, GC, atomic opera) are not with him any longer.
I can understand their reasons then. The record industry can
be a stifling nightmare. When we did a demo a few years back, we had
people in our faces constantly. "try this...it should go like
this....that doesn't work" CHRIST!!!! It's our music let us decide!!!
If only life were perfect! :)
BTW, I would love to hear some Atomic Opera. Is it still
available?
>Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 18:39:21 -0400
>From: WildKoba@aol.com
>since i turn 21 today, i demande all you of legal age do as i did starting at
>midnight last night and ending tonight, and drink one in the name of the wild
>koba (well i didn't drink in my own name, but you know what i mean).
Happy Birthday big wild one!!
I had a few in your honor, although I didn't know it was your
b-day until now.
Just think of it as belated honor. ;)
Cheers,
Rick
Toronto
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Date: Sun, 04 Aug 1996 13:33:54 -0700
From: Scott Cook <skooc@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: nwe DT singer
Message-ID: <32050932.5821@earthlink.net>
If LaBrie left the band then the only natural choice would be SAMMY HAGAR!
Scott Cook
(ok, I know it's stupid, but no more stupid then the original question.)
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Date: Sun, 04 Aug 1996 13:39:49 -0700
From: Scott Cook <skooc@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1738
Message-ID: <32050A95.7C76@earthlink.net>
> From: Scotch <anthem@virginia.edu>
> 2. I heard that they played Tori Amos's "Song For Eric", but it obviously
> wasn't dedicated to Eric Rosse... it was to someone else, and I don't know
> who.
That's on Kevin Moore's demo tape I think. I have it I haven't had a chance
to listen to it yet though.
> 3. Pardon my pre-"Achtung Baby" ignorance, but that U2 song that wraps up
> Subcon-- what the hell is the title? Is it "Bad" or "Wide Awake In
> America" or what? I hope Bono isn't on the Jam, otherwise I'm dogmeat...
It's called BAD
Grinder
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Date: Sun, 04 Aug 1996 18:15:17 -0400
From: Trevor Connor <pjconnor@iwaynet.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: uh , i need some like dates for Petrucci Guitar clinics...
Message-ID: <320520F5.1EBE@iwaynet.net>
any body got the dates for John's Guitar Clinics? Please Mail me...
Trevor
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Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 18:48:39 PST
From: j_m_b@juno.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: No vocals...
Message-ID: <19960804.184858.5070.0.j_m_b@juno.com>
I guess I'll have to give my opinion on the subject of a new vocalist to
actually become a member of the "Jam" family... I think Labrie was
perfect for the band, and any replacement will have to lurk in his
shadows... (Blah, Blah, Blah)... It might be better if the guys just got
another guitar player to backup John P. and make up for no vocals...
Purely instrumental magic... It might somehow break the limitations (if
any) on everyone else in the band allowing better music... if this can
be achieved in the first place... I think it would be good to have a
couple of albums of pure emotions w/o lyrics... Just letting the music
do the talking... Thanx for your patience... Does any one know if any of
the members of Dream Theater read these postings???
L8R...
Jason Bell
e-mail (j_m_b@juno.com)
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Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 19:45:21 PST
From: nishiki@juno.com (Aaron Silverman)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: People with really kuul amps!
Message-ID: <19960804.195940.10014.0.nishiki@juno.com>
>From Dave:
>>mono so the sound kinda blows. I just set my PC mic in front of my amp.
There are no effects racks or pedals
(no not even a distortion pedal...homey dont play dat)).
I am plugged STRAIGHT into my Crate G40C amp, from my Ibanez RG570.
As you'll here, I'm nobody great, but my past influences (like Ronni
LeTekro
and Randy Rhoads) are apparent. If you want to check it out, it's at:
<<
Aha! Someone else kuul enough to play through a G-40C!!! Strangely
enough, I was playing some Randy Rhoades through mine while reading
this. . .however, I am not malicious enough to put recordings of myself
where anybody with a modem and ears might torture themselves with it. .
. :)
However, I do sweeten the mash with lots of goodies from my Zoom 9030. .
.
Don't feel bad that I wasted anyone's time by posting this rambling,
since I wasted more of my own time typing it in!
DJKA
PS Did anyone tape the NYC Petrucci clinic? (Or one of the others?) I
sorta forgot to go. . .(that whole "job" thing kinda got in my way :) )
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Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 19:34:46 -0500 (CDT)
From: Ed Reed <ereed@comp.uark.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Lots O Important Stuff (incl. return of the tape trade)
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.94.960804190820.22247A-100000@comp.uark.edu>
Greetings Jammers,
I'm gonna kill several birds with one stone, or reply to several
various topics in one post as it turns out in this case...
Replacements for James (if he ever left):
Ray Alder (Fates Warning)
Zak Stevens (Savatage)
Geoff Tate (Queensryche)
The entire Galactic Cowboys crew.
But, here's the important part of my post... might want to be sure and
check this out...
*******IMPORTANT: Please Read*********Warning: Flames not included*******
Okay, on the last two Jams suddenly there is some mention of trading tapes
filled with obscure music so that Jammers can enlighten each other with
new bands that would otherwise be overlooked... this has actually been
done in a quite organized fashion about a year ago... and I'm the guy
that ran the thing.
Anywho.. after it was all over I had some requests to do another one.
And it looks like there is some new interest popping up... so....
The Tape Swap returns...
Here's how this is going to work:
1. You e-mail me and tell me you want to participate... I'll start
my list in about two weeks when I get back up to school, so don't e-mail
me until then... the account should go up in 2-3 weeks, so if you try
mailing anything before then it will bounce because my site is currently
not connected to the net. The address will be the same as last time:
2. Everybody participating compiles a 90 minute tape of their favorite
obscure music... Bands like Sieges Even, Galactic Cowboys, Solitude
Aeturnus, Shadow Gallery, Clockwork, Ivanhoe, Enchant, Cairo, Superior,
etc. are all good choices for this.... the idea is to compile music that
will appeal to a prog-metal fan that they may not have heard. Bands like
Queensryche, DT, and Rush are probably already well-enough known that they
wouldn't really be appropriate, but we're not going to be real picky...
also feel free to step outside the realm of prog, but don't stray too far.
Last time I got some tapes that would have a classical piece or a
rap/metal song or such... actually turned out pretty cool, but let's try
and focus on the prog-metal realm and keep at least most (over half) of
your tape to that genre.
3. You make three copies of your compilation tape complete with three
copies of song info (include band name, song title, and preferably album
it was taken from and maybe a little info on the band). This song
info should be included on separate paper, not on the tape insert,
just in case someone wants to erase the tape later and use it as a
blank. These copies will be done on the Type-II cassettes (the high
quality ones, but not metal).
4. After I have received the names of everyone participating, I mix these
up and randomly assign each person with three names to send their
compilation tape to. In return you get a tape from each of the three guys
I assign your address to. I've still got the match-ups from the first
trade, so I'll make sure there isn't any overlap with people receiving
tapes from the same people as last time.
5. Everybody receives three tapes in the mail full of obscure prog-metal
and finds new bands to search out and enjoy. Your cost: three Type-II
cassettes and postage (total shouldn't be more than $10). Everybody pays
their own postage so no money will exchange hands... last time this
worked fine and everyone received all three tapes promised... no bad
traders reared their heads. At worst you are out postage for three tapes
and you end up with three quality cassette tapes that you can use for
whatever you want.
6. Sound cool? Good... in about 2-3 weeks I'll post a follow-up letting
everyone know to flood my mailbox and we'll get this thing off the ground
again. The address again will be: tapeswap@reich.uark.edu
When you *do* e-mail me, I'll need this info:
1. Name
2. E-mail address
3. Complete mailing address
One last thing... USA people will be matched up with USA people, foreign
people will be matched up with foreign people... works out best for the
postage that way, otherwise a USA person might have to spend $4-5 mailing
a tape to someone in Europe and in return only receive tapes from 3 guys
in USA. Kinda sucks for the foreign people, but if the foreign response
is good enough I'll try to match people up within their own countries.
That's all for now... be on the lookout for the message in 2-3 weeks
letting you know to start signing up.
DrX
/=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-\ /-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-\
| I am the way, I am the light... | Ed Reed |
| I am the dark inside the night. | ereed@comp.uark.edu |
| I hear your hopes, I feel your dreams... | ehr@engr.uark.edu |
| And in the dark I hear your screams. | drx@reich.uark.edu |
<=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=|=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=->
| Don't walk away, just take my hand... | |
| And when you make your final stand... | Savatage -- |
| I'll be right there, I'll never leave... | 'Believe' |
| All I ask of you is Believe. | |
\=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-/ \-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-/
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Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 21:23:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: "John R. Kotzian" <koggie@cyberspace.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com (Explore The Boundries)
Subject: Working Man Tribute
Message-ID: <199608050123.VAA02586@grex.cyberspace.org>
Hey,
Just a reminder. The Rush Tribute "Working Man" will be out this
Tuesday, August, 6th.
--
_________________ _ ____________________
(^) (^)
<-o->koggie@cyberspace.org is John R. Kotzian<-o->
(v)________________ __ __ ___________________(v)
Album of the week: "Working Man" A Tribute To Rush
Album of the Month: Jason Becker "Perspectives"
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Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 18:51:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mithrandir <mithrandir@pb.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: IRC
Message-ID: <199608050151.SAA12825@mindcrime.ax.com>
I just figured I would warn you kids that I am now on IRC as well as the
regular jam. I will be called Gandalf on IRC ( just another variation on
Mithrandir)
Oh yeah I almost fogot. I was watching an episode of Star Trek: The next
Generation when all of the sudden Lt. Ro Lanen says " For the first time in
a long time, everything was right in my world! And then I woke up" I just
nearly defacated in my shorts. Wow the writers of ST actually listen to DT?
Well maybe not.
Elen sila lumenn omentilmo, Mithrandir
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Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 19:41:28 -0700
From: skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
To: "The King's X list" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Some comic relief (skip if you're humor-impaired)
Message-ID: <199608050241.TAA07981@dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com>
Hey Y'all,
I heard a joke and had to put it out here. If you are easily offended
please delete now.
A teacher is in class with her students. She submits a small problem to
them. She says to the kids, "There are two birds sitting in a tree. I
pick up a rifle and shoot one of the birds. How many birds remain?"
Little smarty pants Johnny frantically waves his hand and yells to the
teacher, "None, Miss!!"
"No, No, No" she replies. "There is one left - Remember, I only shot
one of them".
"Yes Miss, but there is none left 'cause the other one heard the gun
shot and flew away in fright!" The teacher replied, "It wasn't the
answer I was looking for, but I like the way you are thinking."
The very next day, smarty pants Johnny comes running into the classroom
and yells, "Miss, Miss, I have a small problem for YOU to solve". He
continues, "You are in a shopping mall and you see three women and they
are each eating an ice cream cone. The first one is licking her cone,
the second woman is biting her cone and the third woman is sucking her
cone. Which one is the married woman?"
The teacher ponders her answer for a few seconds and replies, "The
woman sucking the cone."
Little Johnny says, "No, Miss, it is the one wearing the wedding ring,
but I like the way you are thinking!"
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !! ! !! ! !
Sorry for the no VH content. I just thought we could use a joke!
Mick
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Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 22:56:34 -0400
From: "Frank Benenati" <mojonet@pb.net>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Moo Off!
Message-ID: <199608050300.UAA13971@mindcrime.ax.com>
> From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
>
> since there have been such a scare number of jams lately i will now moo.
>
>
> moo
>
Ahhhhh...... Moo You!!!
M O J O
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Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 21:06:14 -0600
From: "LRW" <sir@micron.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: SG and 'tage
Message-ID: <m0unG19-000QohC@mis01.micron.net>
After looking forever for carved in stone, I finally decided to get it off
cdconnection (they have it for $13.17). But as I was picking up DWD I saw
it on the front row at Hastings. I almost leapt for joy except that there
were they hicks behind me I didn't want to make a scene.
Anyway, Shadow Gallery is extremely awesome. I was blown away. They are
known as a DT clone, and that's probably true to a point, but anybody who
A) wants to clone DT, 2) Has the ability to clone DT, and D) adds their
own style, is plenty unique already. Their stuff is a lot more
keyboard/piano oriented, and their lyrics have more religious content.
Their main pianist (they have 2) is really good. Once again, I'd hate to
say it, but this guy could play circles around Kevin or Derek. Their
guitarist has crazy chops, but he doesn't have as many solo opportunities
as JP does:(
I got what the knocking means on track 20 after the first 3 minutes on my
first listen. I'll explain it by email if interested.
I also highly recommend Dead Winter Dead. It was good from the first
listen. Same with SG. I was somewhat surprised since lots of prog takes a
few listens to get into. It is especially good if on the first listen you
sit down and read the liner notes and synopsis as you listen. It is quite
heart-wrenching as advertised.
I just love how Savatage is breaking down the walls of music. The madrigal
round harmony things make me giddy every time, and I've never heard it done
before. Also, having the piano in so many songs that are otherwise very
heavy give the music a whole different feel. I love it.
My brother, who I recently converted, mentioned that this style should be
called "regressive" instead of "progressive" because the last time popular
music had any musical value was when motzart, beethoven, and tchikows
chicovs tchikovski that other guy were around. I'm especially proud of
my brother's conversion because he was nothing but classical and stuff
until he saw the light that is...Dream Theater. (sniff)
Craig
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Date: Sun, 04 Aug 1996 23:12:21 -0400
From: jestok@interlog.com (Mike Estok)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Instrumental DT
Message-ID: <199608050311.XAA06684@gold.interlog.com>
>hmmm, you know, you made me think for a while with this. well, i guess
>i'd like them to go instrumental, sort of YtseJam. Cuz i doubt there is
>a singer that makes so MUCH sense with DT as La'Brie does.
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes!!!
What I would *really* like to see is a four-member jam (minus
Labrie) on MTV's Unplugged. That would be something. I love Labrie, but if
he was there, they would play all the acoustic songs (ie. another day,
LSOAD, etc.) and the public wouldn't get a feel for what DT *really* is.
They could just jam or write some new stuff or do instrumental
medleys. Whoever has heard "Long Island Expressway" off Acoustic Dreams
knows what I'm talkin' about. That stuff rocks!
....And then...finish it off with "The YtseJam...acoustic". That
*would* be something!!!!!
/me wakes up from an all too realistic dream
"This is not reality"
Michelob.
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Date: Sun, 04 Aug 1996 23:35:53 -0600
From: Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: What if LaBrie left/U2 cover
Message-ID: <32058839.3100@mo.net>
Yeah, I'd also like to see the guys go instrumental now that
someone mentioned it. It woule be pretty cool if they wrote songs
(including lyrics) for us all to sing to. Kind of like a Karaoke DT ;).
Thanks to the guys who mentioned it. IF they HAD to get a replacement,
though, I'd like to see Dickinson sing. LaBrie is certainly the best
for the job with DT.
To the dude who asked about the U2 song at the end of Subcon.,
it's "Bad," from The Unforgettable Fire. This song is largely regarded
as one of U2's best (their Live Aid performance being arguably the best
performance of the song. I agree). I like it for its simple beauty.
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Sun, 04 Aug 1996 23:37:25 -0600
From: Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: U2 song (again, sorry)
Message-ID: <32058895.6560@mo.net>
Oh yeah, "Bad" does also appear on Wide Awake in America, but
wasa originally on Unforgettable Fire.
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Sun, 04 Aug 1996 23:43:17 -0600
From: Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: KX chicks grabbing some tail
Message-ID: <320589F5.3C47@mo.net>
>...now if only those drunk girls would have stopped grabbing my ass...
This is a bad thing?
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 23:48:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: A flag for Pam, and all of us
Message-ID: <199608050648.AA04654@crl3.crl.com>
A few days ago we were talking on IRC/#ytsejam and Pam Wheaton (our
own Rockin' Cabbie) mentioned that she'd like me to plant a US flag at
the site of the Centennial Park bombing. There are a few spots near
the bomb site where people have created ad-hoc shrines, with flags and
notes, etc., to remember the victims -- I had been down there
earlier in the evening, as I live in Atlanta, and had seen the
shrines.
Anyway, I thought it was a great idea and everyone else on the DT
channel did too, so I figured I'd just plant a flag there for all of
us. Last night (Sun.) I finally got my chance, and at 9:12 p.m. I
pushed a medium-sized American flag into the ground to join with
hundreds of others at this particular shrine. If you see one on TV
that's closest to the weird "three athletes stuck halfway through a quarter
of a pie plate" sculpture, that's the shrine. There was at least one
pro Betacam team taping that site at the time -- dunno from where --
so who knows, maybe you'll see me on TV.
The members of this mailing list and the DT IRC server are among the
greatest people I've ever met, and I was proud to take this small
action on behalf of all of us, no matter what country you're from. Be
proud, folks, and think a bit tonight about terrorism and shattered
dreams.
BTW, the timing was no accident; I got to the area of the bombing at
around five after nine EDT, and decided it would be appropriate to
wait until 21:12 to plant the flag. Many of us great people are Rush
fans, too. :)
--
Paul W. Cashman, vanyel@crl.com Rush Dream Theater Korn Bonedance
--- www.crl.com/~vanyel ------ Metallica Hawkwind Enya Superior
Mutha's Day Out Sisters of Mercy Dead Can Dance Blue Oyster Cult
"You can find all you need in your mind / If you take the time.." -DT
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Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 03:04:20 -0400
From: SaVeur <saveur@cais.cais.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: KX chicks grabbing some tail
Message-ID: <199608050704.DAA28467@cais.cais.com>
At 10:44 PM 8/4/96 -0700, Dale Newberry wrote:
>>...now if only those drunk girls would have stopped grabbing my ass...
>
> This is a bad thing?
it is when i'm tryin to pay attention to the show on /stage/ and not the
show /behind/ me...i don't like things getting in the way of my music...
j o h n s a v e u r @ c a i s . c o m
e
n
s h t t p : / / w w w . s i t e . g m u . e d u / ~ j j e n s /
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