YTSEJAM Digest 1738
Today's Topics:
1) rhythm corps
by Escher <CP74645@ltu.edu>
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1737
by Ytse-Kain <kain@caribe.net>
3) What is prog?
by Jon Byrne <rael@access.mountain.net>
4) RE: YTSEJAM digest 1737
by Hui-chi Yap <ej84349@goodnet.com>
5) Re: moonfrozen cows
by Younis Youssef Hilal <yhilal@uclink.berkeley.edu>
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1737
by Majesty <majesty@li.net>
7) mix tapes
by Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net>
8) Re: new thread (moonfrozen cows)
by Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net>
9) ACOS cover
by Cowboyburt@aol.com
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1737
by Derek Connor <pjconnor@iwaynet.net>
11) jon oliva rules.
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
12) Mix Tapes, New Threads, and Anacrusis
by "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com>
13) DT Cover Tunes
by Scotch <anthem@virginia.edu>
14) King's X Galactic Cowboys, Again
by KWMadden@usa.pipeline.com (Kevin Madden)
15) The YtseSpam??
by jestok@interlog.com (Mike Estok)
16) new member intro
by Timothy Templeton <ttempleton@postoffice.worldnet.att.net>
17)
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
18) Re: King's X Galactic Cowboys, Again
by "J. Christian Jens" <jjens@cais.com>
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Date: Sat, 03 Aug 1996 21:36:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: Escher <CP74645@ltu.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: rhythm corps
Message-ID: <01I7UQXW2KW68Y50LD@ltu.edu>
Hi all! First of all, excuse the lack of DT content.. but i had to check
something. Does anyone know the band Rhythm Corps.? I recently found out that
their second album "The future's not what it used to be" is no longer in print,
and I would like to get another copy of it. So, if any of you have this cd and
could part with it please let me know!
Also, does anyone know what happened to these guys?
DTC: Does anyone know if there is a Video in the works for the AWAKE tour? (as
in Live in Tokyo)?
See ya!
- Chris
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same purpose - that of killing the ego. of Jikishinkage-ryu
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- Dave Lowry blow as if it were actually cutting down an opponent.
of Yagyu Shinkage-ryu ... however, bear in mind that the highest purpose
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Mechanical Engineering CP74645@ltu.edu
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Date: Sat, 03 Aug 1996 23:30:26 -0400
From: Ytse-Kain <kain@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1737
Message-ID: <32041952.753B@caribe.net>
>hey, this could be a fun thread... just wondering, if LaBrie for some
>reason left DT who would you like to see take over? just curious. :)
> ~Rip
hmmm, you know, you made me think for a while with this. well, i guess
i'd like them to go instrumental, sort of YtseJam. Cuz i doubt there is
a singer that makes so MUCH sense with DT as La'Brie does. Just an
opinion, later!
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Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 00:07:12 -0400 From: Jon Byrne <rael@access.mountain.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: What is prog? Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19960804000827.2ec75ff4@access.mountain.net>
No, this is not another newcomer aasking what prog is. Instead, I've decided to put together a web page with a bunch of different people's definitions of prog. After all, prog means different things to different people, right?
Let me know via personal mail, DO NOT post to the 'Jam.
Thanks
Jonathan Byrne rael@access.mountain.net http://access.mountain.net/~rael/jdbhome2.htm West Virginia University College of Law ----------------------------------------------------------------- "Law school, that great American baby-sitter For directionless postgrads." -John Grisham (Esq.), "The Runaway Jury"
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Date: Sat, 03 Aug 1996 22:24:55 -0700 From: Hui-chi Yap <ej84349@goodnet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: auhcy@asu.edu Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 1737 Message-ID: <32043427.5AFF@goodnet.com>
Since King's X was mentioned so many times in the past jams, I bought "Faith, love, hope" and I don't like it that much. I just can't get into the harmonized vocals. But I want to thank the jam for recommending Savatage and Fates Warning.
I still haven't finished listening to Antiquities and Scenes because I kept skipping over the vocal auditions, they're funny, James is obviously the right choice for DT. Great job Mike! I really like the art work for Scenes.
PS: Last I checked, the DT fan network only has less than 5 females, how sad. Maybe I should check again to see if it is more now.
huichi auhcy@asu.edu http://www.public.asu.edu/~auhcy
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Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 23:25:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Younis Youssef Hilal <yhilal@uclink.berkeley.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: moonfrozen cows Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.93.960803231847.9037C-100000@uclink.berkeley.edu>
On Sat, 3 Aug 1996 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org> > > hey, this could be a fun thread... just wondering, if LaBrie for some > reason left DT who would you like to see take over? just curious. :) > ~Rip NOBODY!!!!!!!!!!!!! I say, "Go all-instrumental, baby!!!!!!" Lyrics are, of course, optional. They could still publish lyrics for each song, but every fan would have to figure out how to sing 'em...hehehehe...I like that idea:). That's just me, I guess. I just have a thing against lyrics and singing in general, and I like to cut down on that stuff in the music I buy.
Younis Hilal
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Date: Sun, 04 Aug 1996 03:06:22 -0500 From: Majesty <majesty@li.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1737 Message-ID: <320459FE.277C@li.net>
> hey, this could be a fun thread... just wondering, if LaBrie for some > reason left DT who would you like to see take over? just curious. :) I Think Sebastian Bach or Bruce Dickenson would Make excellent replacements...
YtseJim
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Date: Sun, 04 Aug 1996 02:22:15 -0600 From: Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: mix tapes Message-ID: <32045DB7.4FD7@mo.net>
>Big Conclusion: (drumroll) I could really use a mix tape. <snip stuff about paying cost for tape and postage>
Hey, the same goes for me, too (except I don't have a job at the moment, though that should change soon), so I certainly don't have tons of cash. I would like to broaden my prog(metal) horizons, so this would be the perfect thing. Thanks to anyone who's willing to oblige.
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Sun, 04 Aug 1996 02:43:33 -0600 From: Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: new thread (moonfrozen cows) Message-ID: <320462B5.5A4C@mo.net>
Monty Newberry wrote:
>Rip Zero wrote: hey, this could be a fun thread... just wondering, if >LaBrie for some reason left DT who would you like to see take over? >just curious. :) Well, if LaBrie ever left DT (hopefully that won't happen, but purely gypothetically speaking), I'd like to see Bruce Dickinson take over. I think he could handle it (I totally dig his job on "Perfect Strangers"), though I kind of dig what I have heard from "Skunkworks," so maybe staying with that project would be best for him, but since we're talking hypothetically, Bruce is probably the one. If anyone's going to be at the St. Louis KX/GC show, I'll be there. E-mail me privately if you want to hook up. Later.
Dale R. Newberry
"Beauty is in the eye of the beerholder." -Steve & DC
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Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 04:03:38 -0400 From: Cowboyburt@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: ACOS cover Message-ID: <960804040337_448978744@emout19.mail.aol.com>
I always assumed the roses on the front and back covers of ACOS represented "Gather Ye Rosebuds While Ye May" from Portnoy's lyrics. He is credited with the artwork concepts as well.
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Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 11:59:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Derek Connor <pjconnor@iwaynet.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1737 Message-ID: <199608041559.LAA26803@iwaynet.iwaynet.net>
Hello...Will you please stop sending these messages, they are a pain and they have no further use
Derek
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Date: Sun, 04 Aug 1996 12:14:46 -0500 From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org> To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: jon oliva rules. Message-ID: <3204DA86.7C1A@dreamt.org>
>I will say this though: IMO the two songs on Dead Winter Dead that Jon >sings aren't that great... and also IMO Zak really is a much better >singer than Jon... but, the material on Gutter Ballet and Streets is >just so powerful in terms of emothion that I can forgive Jon's >scratchiness and even think it fits pretty decent.
i like jon more than zak. no doubt about it. since jon writes everything and he knows whats going on deep inside the lyrics he really clicks into the song. the emotion when he sings is amazing... he practically cries lines at times. i dont find his voice hard to bear at all. zak has a wonderful voice, i dig his vocals on the tage albums too, but he concentrates more on making the sound perfect, it doesnt come out as much. i also gotta say i think jon still did a great job on DWD. Doesnt matter anyway is my favorite track on the cd. =)
> I usually enjoy music for the intrumentation, but I just can't ignore > vox that bad. I'm glad he quit.
as ed said, he didnt quit. and he still writes everything. he plays a bit of guitar and does all the keyboards. and yes, he IS savatage. just because you dont like his singing dont say you want him out of the band because he's the one bringing you all the songs still. quite an amazing guy eh? :) ~Rip
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Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 13:49:45 +0000 From: "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Mix Tapes, New Threads, and Anacrusis Message-ID: <199608041849.NAA20156@enteract.com>
Hey, I'll keep this short:
I would be willing to make mix tapes for people for no cost outside of that of a tape. The only problem is I have limited time. If I can pull this together, I know I have stuff some of the jammers would want to hear. Tell ya what... anyone interested, write me personally.
Ray Alder would be my pick for a new singer in DT if they ever needed one. He's the closest thing to LaBrie that I've heard. Any other opinions?
Anacrusis man, listen up: (Or woman... I didn't recall the name)
E mail me personally. I know where I can get used copies of some of their stuff on CD. I'll buy it for you (if it still exists where i last saw it) if you'll agree to pay me back. Write me.
Addios!
Chris Ptacek (312) 248-8511 EnterAct, L.L.C. Check www.cnet.com someone@enteract.com for *YOUR* ISP Ratings! -------------------------------------------------------- "I was so happy with the service, I decided to ask for a JOB!" - Me
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Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 14:50:52 -0400 From: Scotch <anthem@virginia.edu> To: The Foul Stench Of Futility <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: DT Cover Tunes Message-ID: <v01540b00ae29aea6c903@8.liv2.arl.why.net>
Jammers:
I was trying to compile a definitive list of the tunes DT has covered. Below is what I have so far. Most of these are clearly from the Ronnie Scotts gig, but I'd appreciate it if you could peruse your bootleg collections (or any coherent memories you might have of DT's live shows), and send me any additions or corrections at <anthem@virginia.edu>.
For instance, a few things I need to know:
1. I heard somewhere that DT covered Rush's "YYZ", but I don't know if they played the whole thing or just the intro or something.
2. I heard that they played Tori Amos's "Song For Eric", but it obviously wasn't dedicated to Eric Rosse... it was to someone else, and I don't know who.
3. Pardon my pre-"Achtung Baby" ignorance, but that U2 song that wraps up Subcon-- what the hell is the title? Is it "Bad" or "Wide Awake In America" or what? I hope Bono isn't on the Jam, otherwise I'm dogmeat...
Thanks,
Scott. anthem@virginia.edu
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Songs Dream Theater has covered:
The Big Medley: In The Flesh? (Pink Floyd) Carry On Wayward Son (Kansas) Bohemian Rhapsody (Queen) Lovin', Touchin', Squeezin' (Journey) Cruise Control (Dixie Dregs) Turn It On Again (Genesis)
Led Zeppelin Medley: The Rover Achilles Last Stand The Song Remains The Same
Yes Medley: Machine Messiah Heart of Sunrise Close To The Edge Siberian Khatru
Funeral For a Friend / Love Lies Bleeding (Elton John)
Perfect Strangers (Deep Purple)
Red Hill Town (U2) Wide Awake In America (title?) (U2)
Tears (Rush) YYZ (Rush)
Happiness is a Warm Gun (Beatles) Carry That Weight/Golden Slumbers (Beatles)
Winter (Tori Amos) Song For Eric (Tori Amos)
Easter (Marillion)
In The Dead of Night (UK)
Damage Inc. (Metallica)
Theme from "Mission: Impossible"
O Holy Night (traditional)
Wanted: Dead Or Alive (Bon Jovi) [sort of a joke]
By Demons Be Driven (Pantera) [sample used in Portnoy's live drum solo]
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Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 19:00:39 GMT From: KWMadden@usa.pipeline.com (Kevin Madden) To: ytsejam@ax.com, kingsx@rfleming.demon.co.uk Subject: King's X Galactic Cowboys, Again Message-ID: <199608041900.TAA00261@pipe3.t2.usa.pipeline.com>
If you don't like KX hit delete! Saw the show again last night, which for me was a first. I have never seen a band on tour two shows in a row, and it was interesting to see how things can be different. For example, the show in DC was attended (in my observation) by more hard-core KX fans, and the tone set forth by both band and crowd was more serious then was the case last night in Pasadena. It seemed like many fans were at the second show because, "hey, there's a concert tonight!" The tone of this show was much more loose and the band showed it. Doug seemed to be suffering from a dry/sore throat because he was giving it a spray all the time last night, which wasn't the case the night before. Over My Head night one vs. Over My Head night two were like (pardon the pun) Night and Day. DC's version was like a spiritual revival with complete crowd interaction and some soulful improv by Doug. Pasadena's OMH lacked as much crowd interaction and was much less of a religious experience. Ty was fooling around much more night two, and even submitted to a few moron's requests by playing the opeing bars to "Breaking the Law," "Sweet Home Alabama" and "Stairway to Heaven." not to mention "Hawaii 5-0." The crowd was less knowledgeable last night, as well. Galactic Cowboys seemed more relaxed night two vs. night one, Wally especially. It seemed odd that he was the guy setting everything up while the rest of the band was backstage. If you see him, ask him about his space boots. I'm sure he will appreciate the mention. For the Cowboy's part, Alan looked unhappy with his kit night two, and kicked it over in disgust. During KX Ben and Wally were taping rude messages on the floor in front of Ty and generally messing him up, which, like I said, was a different tone compared to night one. As for King's x' encore, night two, Ben and Wally came out to sing the lines "I'm getting closer to my home" and Doug pulled a bunch of people out of the crowd to sing along. This definitely did not happen in DC. The volume was louder last night, too. It was an educational experience to see what a band goes through day in and day out. -- Kevin (kwmadden@usa.pipeline.com) GO PACKERS...GO WINGS!!!
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Date: Sun, 04 Aug 1996 15:41:55 -0400 From: jestok@interlog.com (Mike Estok) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: The YtseSpam?? Message-ID: <199608041940.PAA23752@gold.interlog.com>
Mark Bredius wrote:
>So did *I*, when I subscribed on November 24th last year... Thought it >would be a cool way to talk about one of my favourite bands with other >Dream Theater fans... Oh well...
I hate to disagree with you, and this is not a flame.....
>He forgot to mention all those flamewars... There's also an occasional >flamewar on the Marillion-list, but at least they're almost always on >topic...
Personally, I think the YtseJam is 100% perfect the way it is. Sure, talk about DT lately has been sparse, but that is because there is nothing to talk about. I am a member of both the YtseJam (duh) and Freaks, and I find the 'jam to be much more interesting.
Sure, Freaks has WAY more on-topic information, but it seems just like a bunch of essays put together. Our posts don't have to have a thesis statement. The YtseJam has become less of a place to talk about DT, and more of a place to talk with fellow DT fans (who are all too rare). People here talk like they do in real life, there is no acting like we are some hot-shot. (well, that might not be entirely true :) In a way, we feel at home in the YtseJam, and we let it all hang out :-)
I seemingly know almost all of the name of the people who post now, from reading and IRC. I just like seeing what people type; what they're up to, etc. There is a time to analyze music and there is a time to relax. IMO, school is the place to analyze.
The YtseJam also gives you a sense of belonging; like a special bond with others. I feel that the YtseJam is more a family, and the Freaks is more colleagues. I don't think it is that hard for everyone to put up with a few minor annoyances. Nobody is perfect.
And about the last sentence, yes, some people are too harsh, and take things personally. But, don't worry about these people because they will probably die of heart attacks sooner anyways. :)
Now I'm not saying anything negative about Freaks, because it is a fabulous mailing list. But, I find the diversity of the YtseJam far more compelling.
Love live the YtseJam!!!
side note: Rip - I vote for Chuck Schuldiner to sing for DT!!
Michelob.
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Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 19:49:32 +0000 From: Timothy Templeton <ttempleton@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: new member intro Message-ID: <19960804194930.AAA16451@LOCALNAME>
Hello YSTEJammers! I have been lurking around on this list for a couple of weeks & should introduce myself. My name is Tim Templeton from Seattle (orig. KC) & have been an avid DT fan for 3 yrs. now. Between my brother & I, we have all of the mass market DT works. As some of you, I am also a big RUSH fan & can't wait 'til the new CD arrives. I already have my money up for the Magna Carta release. I used to play lead GTR for Fatal Impact in the KC area, but my job took me elsewhere :(. We have a DAT demo, but just to get our originals for posterity. I really enjoyed being in a group, but you have to be very patient (or extremely good/lucky) to go anywhere big. I like to hear some of the bands mentioned that I have never heard of here. I will give them a shot; that's the way I got turned on to DT!
Go Chiefs in Monterrey!!!! Tim Templeton
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Date: Sun, 04 Aug 1996 15:23:44 -0500 From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org> To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com> Message-ID: <320506CF.4E3A@dreamt.org>
since there have been such a scare number of jams lately i will now moo.
moo
~Rip
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Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 16:54:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "J. Christian Jens" <jjens@cais.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: King's X Galactic Cowboys, Again Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.93.960804164643.7878A-100000@cais.cais.com>
[...gigantic sniperoonie...] [Kevin wrote about his experience of the 2nd show]
yes, but what we really want to know is if Dougs sound was any better the 2nd nite? i too was at the DC show (barely) and his sound was absolutely CRAP. im pretty sure it was the Bayou's sound rig; they buried him in bass so when hed slide up to play higher, the sound was almost non-existant. argh. can you tell im a bassist?
other than that, the show rokd. Over My Head was really kool and the band seemed really appreciative of the crowd. now if only those drunk girls would have stopped grabbing my ass...
-john 12 days til Tori
j o h n s a v e u r @ c a i s . c o m e n s h t t p : / / w w w . s i t e . g m u . e d u / ~ j j e n s /
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