YTSEJAM Digest 1749
Today's Topics:
1) Rich Kern...
by Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
2) Re: James LaBrie replacement?!
by Kain <kain@caribe.net>
3) "hahahahahah<choke><thud!>"
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1747
by JOSE MANUEL GUERRA CHAPA <al174129@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
5) RR: YTSEJAM digest 1747
by emsGateway@wichita.fn.net
6) Who's James Murphy?
by JOSE MANUEL GUERRA CHAPA <al174129@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
7) Re: RR: YTSEJAM digest 1747
by Kain <kain@caribe.net>
8) RE:JAPANESE ACOS
by Kotaro Nagai <GAA01107@niftyserve.or.jp>
9) excellent drumming bands
by Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net>
10) Rush covers
by rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
11) Dt tourmates
by Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net>
12) My alter ego
by rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
13) Defending Mr. Townsend
by Dave Peterson <glyde@scc.net>
14) !Attention!
by Majesty <majesty@li.net>
15) James Murphy, My BS Opinions, and Mailing List
by "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com>
16) Inigo Montoya
by Steve Vai <hed@Aldus.NorthNet.org>
17) New World, New Mind
by Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
18) YtseConIII
by Jeffrey David Olson <sinista@netexpress.net>
19) Re: Defending Mr. Townsend
by Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca>
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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 14:25:49 -0500 (CDT)
From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Rich Kern...
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.960808142043.26982A@indy21.gclab.missouri.edu>
Someone said:
>It says that Kevin Moore and one RICH KERN got a hold of John Petrucci's
>tape and fucked with it.
Rich Kern is also listed in the Awake liner notes as having done the
programming on SDV.
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Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 15:30:47 -0400
From: Kain <kain@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: James LaBrie replacement?!
Message-ID: <320A4067.DA8@caribe.net>
Jonathan Case wrote:
> I'm also into some jazz (very limited though) with Dave Weckyl
> as my favorite jazz drummer. Any suggestions on other artists I should
> pursue for some excellent drumming, as well as good music?
>
> Jon Case
> OK graduate student.
Whoa, Dave Weckel (or is it Weckyl or Weckle?) , my friend has one of
his
cd's. And there's a drumming duel, and one of the drummers plays on the
left speaker and the other one on the right speaker. These guys are hot
stuff. Checking him out would be fine for those of you who hasn't heard
him yet.
-- /---------------------------------------------------------------------\ | "Best way to love anything, is keeping in mind you might lose it." | | "Spread before me is my soul, I'm learning to live." Dream Theater | | | | Visit the official page of the world's best band, Dream Theater at | | http://www.rsabbs.com/dt | \---------------------------------------------------------------------/------------------------------
Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 14:46:55 -0500 From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org> To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: "hahahahahah<choke><thud!>" Message-ID: <320A442F.25D3@dreamt.org>
> "My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father (or is it >brother. I can't remember). Prepare to die!"
its "fathar" :) ~Rip
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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 14:42:26 -0600 (CST) From: JOSE MANUEL GUERRA CHAPA <al174129@mail.mty.itesm.mx> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1747 Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.960808141812.77942B-100000@academ01.mty.itesm.mx>
On Thu, 8 Aug 1996 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
YTSEJAM Digest 1747 > > Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 23:42:16 -0400 > From: Scotch <anthem@virginia.edu> > To: The National Midnight Star <ytsejam@ax.com> > Subject: Men At Work... er, Working Man. > > Who is James Murphy? He kicks ass on every tune! > James Murphy is a great guitar player that a long time ago played some great guitar leads on DEATH's CD "Spiritual Healing", then he played leads on OBITUARY's "Cause of Death" , on both albums he played great solos but the guys from OBITUARY said that his solos where too melodic for the band so they kicked him out, and then he formed his own band named DISINCARNATE that has great tunes but the singing lacks of variety and is the typical death metal growl, he now is making his solo proyect that surely is gonna kick ass.
Even if you don't like Death Metal you should hear his work. |}
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Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 14:52:35 From: emsGateway@wichita.fn.net To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: RR: YTSEJAM digest 1747 Message-ID: <199608081952.OAA12739@wichita.fn.net>
Message Received
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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 14:52:19 -0600 (CST) From: JOSE MANUEL GUERRA CHAPA <al174129@mail.mty.itesm.mx> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Who's James Murphy? Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.960808145028.77942D-100000@academ01.mty.itesm.mx>
On Thu, 8 Aug 1996 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
YTSEJAM Digest 1747 > > Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 23:42:16 -0400 > From: Scotch <anthem@virginia.edu> > To: The National Midnight Star <ytsejam@ax.com> > Subject: Men At Work... er, Working Man. > > Who is James Murphy? He kicks ass on every tune! > James Murphy is a great guitar player that a long time ago played some great guitar leads on DEATH's CD "Spiritual Healing", then he played leads on OBITUARY's "Cause of Death" , on both albums he played great solos but the guys from OBITUARY said that his solos where too melodic for the band so they kicked him out, and then he formed his own band named DISINCARNATE that has great tunes but the singing lacks of variety and is the typical death metal growl, he now is making his solo proyect that surely is gonna kick ass.
Even if you don't like Death Metal you should hear his work. |}
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Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 16:03:07 -0400 From: Kain <kain@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: RR: YTSEJAM digest 1747 Message-ID: <320A47FB.77FA@caribe.net>
emsGateway@wichita.fn.net wrote: > > Message Received uh, what's this? what happened?
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Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 05:03:00 +0900 From: Kotaro Nagai <GAA01107@niftyserve.or.jp> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: RE:JAPANESE ACOS Message-ID: <199608082006.FAA29315@inetnif.niftyserve.or.jp>
>> >> I recently ran across a Japanese version of ACOS, and was wondering if >> anybody else has this. I would like to know if the coupon for the >> Tears CD single was in every copy or was it a limited release? Also, >> has anybody received their Tears CD yet? >> >> -Mike
Mike, Tears CD was a limited release. It was NOT FOR SALE. AACD-1 is the number of the CD from the eastwest Japan INC.
*** K.Nagai: gaa01107@niftyserve.or.jp from Japan<96/08/08 06:53> ***
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Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 15:13:50 -0600 From: Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: excellent drumming bands Message-ID: <320A588E.6B87@mo.net>
To the dude who was wanting some suggestions for some bands with excellence in drumming, try out Tourniquet (esp. the track K517 on their latest full-length album "Vanishing Lessons" - it's a drum solo played along to a Scarlatti harpsichord piece). You also may dig Believer for some blinding time changes and some funky time signatures and stuff. the music here can get rather heavy at times, so you may or may not dig that. Hope that helps. Enjoy!
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 20:11:58 GMT From: rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Rush covers Message-ID: <320a4860.915544@mail.inforamp.net>
Good Afternoon!
>Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 09:14:59 -0400 (EDT) >From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
>Speaking of Sebastian Bach on the Rush Tribute, Skid Row does a Rush song >whose title I can't remember on their tribute EP Bsides themselves. Also >on this are Priest and Kiss tunes plus 2 others.
They cover What You're Doing. I 've never heard that version, but would like too. If you have it, how is it?
Cheers,
Rick Toronto
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Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 15:20:21 -0600 From: Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Dt tourmates Message-ID: <320A5A15.6E89@mo.net>
>I'd see DT with ABBA! I don't give a shit who they tour with, just >bring 'em on!
No doubt! I'd see DT with John Tesh even, though I would much rather see them with somebody like Savatage, Fates Warning, Maiden, whatever, but as long as DT's there, I'm there.
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 20:22:10 GMT From: rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: My alter ego Message-ID: <320a4bdb.1805329@mail.inforamp.net>
Hiya,
>ROFLMAO! Is it just me or did that remind you of Bobcat Goldthwait >(However it's spelled) > >I've never seen such hate for a vocalist... you hate him more than I >hate that B-52's fruit bucket singer! That just amused the hell out >of me though...
I'm glad you enjoyed it. :)
One thing though. I have MUCH more hair than Bobcat! Please try to be more accurate next time. ;)
Cheers,
Rick Toronto
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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 15:42:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Dave Peterson <glyde@scc.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Defending Mr. Townsend Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960807235946.29225A-100000@scc.net>
After reading all this Devon Townsend hacking, I just gotta speak up. Sex and Religion is one of my favorite and most often played CD's BECAUSE of his vocals! Seriously! This guy has so much emotion he doesn't know what to do with it all.
It must be stated though, that he is NOT a stereotypical "Prog" singer and if you traditionally adore singers like Geoff Tate and James LaBrie and their golden-throated brethren, then maybe his style might be a little hard to swallow for you.
To me, I have my Prog disks and I have my Glam disks and I have some Death Disks (the genre, not the band) and I am exposed to an entire range of singers. I like his vocals because I like all kinds of vocals. I don't like ALL vocals, just lots of different kinds of them.
His problem is that he likes prog too much. ;) He does stuff like Vai's "Sex and Religion" (ANYTHING by Vai is progressive) and then this Working Man gig. He's a guy who loves to scream (I'll give you that) and loves doing things with prog bands. That's his downfall. Prog and screaming don't mix. I wish he could get together with some good semi-prog semi-death band and scream to his heart's content.
And there's another thing... Vocal improvisation. A LONG while back on the 'Jam, people complained that James LB isn't the greatest at improvising in songs. He just does his standard "Yeaaaaah, Yeah!" or "Wooa, Whooooah!" Where as in Devon's case, in the song "Touching Tongues" off S&R he's wiggin out! He's improvising entire words! Singing gibberish and making his voice an instrument in itself! Let's see if I can remember a part from it...
"Yeaaaah! Eh! Hwoah! Sonnee Ho-ayah. Yaaah-oh-tay-ah-neeosay-ohhhoh. Tayo! Taaaayaaayaaayooooooh-innosay-yayoyayo Yeaaaaaahhhh-Ohwooo!!!
I know it looks kinda weird, and he sure is no normal singer, that's for sure, but he's for real. He just needs to find the right "niche" for his vocals to be used properly.
To me, a crappy singer just can't hold a note. Devon can certainly hold a note and does. It's just that he's always so emotional it makes people think he NEEDS to scream to sound good. There are PLENTY of non-screaming parts on S&R and it makes you appreciate what a unique and versitile singer he is.
And let's be honest. The first time you heard Geddy Lee sing, are you telling me that it was one of the most beautiful voices you've ever heard? No! You got USED to him. Megadeth fans will also know what I'm talking about too. "Who's this elf singing this heavy stuff?" And then Dave's voice started to appeal to you and you looked past his whiny-ass voice. Anyway...
So to sum up my entirely-too-long defense of Devon Townsend, if you can't stand screaming, you won't like Devon. But if you've been bitten by the Death bug, find yourself considering something like Sepultura's Roots or a Pantera CD, if you've "crossed over to the Dark Side", then you definitely should give Vai's S&R a chance.
He's not Prog (and yes, he probably doesn't belong on the Working Man CD)
He's not "Death" either.
But he's damn good, whatever the fuck he is! ;)
- Dr. Teeth
And as always, everything up above there is my humble opinion, so if it disagrees with you, go get a stomach pump. ;)
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Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 16:46:42 -0500 From: Majesty <majesty@li.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: !Attention! Message-ID: <320A6042.610B@li.net>
> I'm brand spankin' new on this YTSE jam list, and just wondering, what > is this talk about a James LaBrie replacement?
OK, People.....James LaBrie is *NOT* leaving Dream Theater... Rip brought up the question of who would be a good replacement *IF* he left.
> Is there anyone out there who would see a twin bill of DT and > Savatage? I'm just wondering.
How about a Triple bill? Dream Theater/Savatage/Queensryche (Hey! We can all dream, Can't we?) Queensryche is scheduled for a end of the year release...but it could be delayed till about....say Feb '97 ?
> Speaking of Sebastian Bach on the Rush Tribute, Skid Row does a Rush > song whose title I can't remember on their tribute EP Bsides > themselves. Also on this are Priest and Kiss tunes plus 2 others.
(In case anyone is interested...) Skid Row - B-Side Ourselves Psycho Therapy (Ramones)/C'mon and Love Me (Kiss)/Delivering The Goods (Judas Priest)/What You're Doing (Rush)/Little Wing (Jimi Hendrix)
YtseJim Goin' searchin for the Rush tribute
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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 15:49:07 +0000 From: "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: James Murphy, My BS Opinions, and Mailing List Message-ID: <199608082048.PAA21845@enteract.com>
> Who is James Murphy? He kicks ass on every tune!
James has recorded with Disincarnate, Death, Testament, I think Suffocation (not sure bout that) among others. He's putting out a Solo Album in September. All I can say is, knowing James Murphy, I was a little disappointed with his performance. He's better than he played on this album.
> This would have fared much better if it had been "A Dream Theater Tribute to > Rush." John Petrucci is the only guitarist worth anything on this CD. All Couldn't agree with you less. >Is not the beauty of Alex's playing the fact that he can shred like >anyone, but he knows when NOT to? Couldn't agree with you less. > Who is playing The Trees? They bite it big time. Couldn't agree with you less. > Eric Martin fucking RULES Couldn't agree with you less. > Mission. Surprise of the CD. Ray Alder, you bring a tear to my eye. Great, Couldn't agree with you more.
This is no flame tho... just stating my opinions. BTW... when you guys get this upcoming jam with like 20 posts from me, please keep in mind that I just got back to my computer and read and responded to 5 jams at once. I had info to share each time... I didn't just feel like spewing a load.
BTW, if this list is ever about to be dropped, I can put it up here at EnterAct. Who do I mail about that? I want the admin to know that if they get pissed, I'll take the list. Heh... that rhymes...
Chris Ptacek (312) 248-8511 EnterAct, L.L.C. Check www.cnet.com someone@enteract.com for *YOUR* ISP Ratings! -------------------------------------------------------- "I was so happy with the service, I decided to ask for a JOB!" - Me
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Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 15:07:42 -0700 From: Steve Vai <hed@Aldus.NorthNet.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Inigo Montoya Message-ID: <320A652E.3237@northnet.org>
Monty! Stop It now, I mean it!!!
Anybody want a peanut?
:)I really dig that flick!
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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 15:00:16 -0700 From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: New World, New Mind Message-ID: <199608082200.PAA18705@main.cfmc.com>
>From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu> (and a lot of other folks) > >> I said: >> >> With all this talk about the Rush tribute, I've got plenty of information on >> that, but does anyone have the Jethro Tull tribute? If so, how is it? I'm >> a big Tull fan, so I'm trying to get the scoop. > >I have it and it's good. I forget what it sounds like now, since I've >been listening to the Rush tribute for the past 24 hours <g>, but >there's some real quality stuff on it. Derek plays on two really good >tracks, and there are a slew of other high points - Echolyn/Still does >total justice to "One Brown Mouse" - my favorite track on the disc. >Just avoid Magellan's "Aqualung" - I used to like that song. :)
Hmmm....the now notorius version of "Aqualung." Well, that sounds like I've gotten a ringing enough endorsement from all you folks. I'll go check into it...
>From: Mike <syrinx@dreamt.org> >To: Yitz-see-jam <ytsejam@ax.com> >Subject: Hmm. Syrinx's here. Woop-De-Doo!@ >Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.960807174901.15940C-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu> > >Hiya, Kids. Syrinx here to entertain you, so put your heads on your desk >and listen carefully. > >It's taken two days to get over it, but King's X and the Galactic Cowboys >were here, and i was in attendance. I have to say that the show was >without a doubt the worst show i've ever been to in my life. First off, >the Cowboys were just horrid. I'm sorry, but Hair + Feedback = not a >band. They were horrible. Beyond horrible. The bassist looked oh so >dumb trying to be into it while playing like 1 note. > > Then King's X came on. I'm sorry, did i pay $11.50 for a concert >or for a sermen? It was beyond horrible. It was _SO_ bad that I sold all >6 King's X albums for $8 dollars. I'm happy i got that much. :) I'm now >on a Kings-X-Sucks mode, so you're just gonna have to deal with it.
HUH? Man, I saw the two of them on "King's X"....they we're awfully good. And I've seen the Cowboys a couple of times (once with our beloved DT), and they've never failed to impress. I just don't know, man....
>From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org> >To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com> >Subject: these guys rock! >Message-ID: <320920E1.2398@dreamt.org> > >dudes, has anyone out there ever heard of the band 24-7 Spyz? i'm >listening to Gumbo Millennium right now and its rocking my nads into >orbit. guitarrist jimi hazel is a riff master ! a bud of mine >backstage at the pantera concert saw talked to jimi quite on accident.. >jimi was looking for pantera and he asked my bud, who didnt know where >they were, so he said "ok if you see 'em tell 'em jimi hazel's around." > he went, "hey youre the dude from 24-7 Spyz!" it was probably a real >surprise for hazel considering i bet almost nobody really knows who they >are just thought i'd share that with everyone :)
I know I'm getting repetitive with this, but they're a hell of a band (Okay, Adam, who ISN'T? Colour Me Badd, I guess....). For those who are into the Primus/Fishbone/RHCP/Maggie's Dream kind of thing, 24-7 Spyz would be a good buy.....
>From: Kain <kain@caribe.net> > >hey about tori amos, i've heard some of her songs, always the one mtv >played, when i watchED mtv. and i like her pretty much so i was >wondering which cd would be best suitable for me to buy at first. i've >heard a lot about little earthquakes. and i've heard about cornflake >girl. but since you guys have music tastes like mine, i'm asking you. >about this Jam quality thing, well, if you don't want to "corrupt" this >mailing list with tori things well email me then. >Tomorrow i'm going out to look for the Rush tribute cd, hope i'm lucky.
"Little Earthquakes." It's the best, front to back, by far. The other two are a little less consistently great.
Adam D. Barnhart adamb@cfmc.com ydnt85a@prodigy.com
Five Gratuitous CD's: ===================== 1. Invisible Touch: Genesis 2. When Dream And Day Unite: Dream Theater 3. "Singles" Soundtrack 4. Johnny Cash: Live At Folson and San Quentin 5. Metallica: Kill 'Em All
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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 17:20:04 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey David Olson <sinista@netexpress.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: YtseConIII Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960808171022.14133A-100000@shamu>
To anyone in the Midwest flying to the Ytsecon via a Chicago airport..
Myself along with 4 other freinds are flying to the YtseCon out of O'Hare in Chicago, anyone planning on flying out of O'Hare please contact me, if we can get 4 other people we can get a group rate, the price as it stands now with 5 people is $176.65 and it gets cheaper with 9 or more, but.. we have to purchase the tickets together (all at once) SO...
Please contact me ASAP if it is your intention to fly out of Chicago.
Sinista Jeff Olson
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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 15:49:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Defending Mr. Townsend Message-ID: <199608082249.WAA28901@fraser.sfu.ca>
Devin Townsend is from Vancouver, and he has played in several local bands here. One notable one is Caustic Thought. He always tries to go against the grain with his singing. He wants to be as outragous as he can get. Yes he does love to scream. :) Oh and i heard an interview with him after his vai gig, and he said that he actually doesn't like steve vai. he doesn't like his music either. he only did it for the money. devin is also a great guitar player. one of my friends went to highschool with him. he said that they had a talent competition, and devin did the intro to van halen's eruption, but using his tongue instead of fingers :)
tim
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