YTSEJAM Digest 1764
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1763
by Kain <kain@caribe.net>
2) Question....
by Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1763
by Michael Bahr <durnik@indirect.com>
4) Rush
by <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng)
5) DT release list
by Scarred1@aol.com
6) Dean Castronova / Tourniquet (NDTC)
by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
7) Re: new Tourniquet / Johnson-Vai-Satch
by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
8) King's X in Toronto
by "M. Stalker (Lugie on IRC)" <mstalker@wwonline.com>
9) FYI Sammy's major creative difference with VH.
by Randall Braun <RBraun@tlr.ameridata.com>
10) Derek's birthday bash!
by guitar@haven.ios.com (Rob Leifer)
11) Working Man dead?
by rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
12) Rush
by <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng)
13) New CDs and other junk
by nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop)
14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1761
by babs@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu (Barb Battaglia)
15) DT web pages
by elliott@fxn.com (Elliott Kim)
16) yet another Dt page is born...
by "Susan Ostroske" <spatz13@msn.com>
17) Elektra DT page
by CPRS92A@prodigy.com (MR JAN-MICHAEL SOUTER)
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Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 17:55:23 -0400
From: Kain <kain@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1763
Message-ID: <3217914B.3CBB@caribe.net>
hey each time i set my mail mode to ack, when it's been since a month or
so that i did it, it resets itself to digest again. is it this way or
just me?
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Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 17:02:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu> To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Question.... Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.960818170046.23212A-100000@indy27.gclab.missouri.edu>
>Progressive rock guitarist Jon Finn and his group will be joined by >John Petrucci of Dream Theatre. They'll be performing the music of >the Jon Finn Group and Dream Theatre.
Who is this Dream Theatre band? h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 / | Pat Griffin Reality2 Design | | c675311@showme.missouri.edu c675311@cclabs.missouri.edu | h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 /
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 11:31:23 -0700 (MST) From: Michael Bahr <durnik@indirect.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1763 Message-ID: <199608191831.LAA05893@bud.indirect.com>
> From: William T Bajzek <wb2a+@andrew.cmu.edu> > Subject: subconscious auction > > sadly, i need to part with my subconscious cd, because i have to raise > money to buy a keyboard amp to replace my brand-fucking-new bass amp [...] > so, let the bidding begin. please email me at this account if > interested.
Ooooooh! Ooogola ooogola ooogola. Last chance, folks! You might see an offer like this twice a year if you're lucky... and they ain't comin back either.
> From: WildKoba@aol.com > Subject: the king crimson bootleg
> if you thought i was kidding about how good this cd is, i'm dead serious! > the truly sick part of this is that these are all taken from dat tapes. not > to diss anyone like mike bahr or brian, but check it out. they have to have a
No diss taken. :) But seriously, my CDs are only as good as my source makes them. Acoustic Dreams and Critical Mass (and Precious Things) are examples of how good they can be when I get DAT masters and/or soundboard material right from near sources. I also make discs like Antiquities that have a lot of restored material that, trust me, sounded WAY worse before I got ahold of it. :) But it was rare enough to include on a fan CD. I'm not snapping into the defensive, just explaining why sometimes you hear crisp, clean perfection on a boot and sometimes, you hear something a bit rougher.
- spiritus vincit omnia - Mike Bahr - durnik@indirect.com -
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 96 13:31:24 EDT From: <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng) To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Rush Message-ID: <vines.3hH8+gH84mA@tcx.tcco.com>
I am NOT a huge Rush fan and probably haven't listened to them in over 6-7 years, but I think this "Working Man" CD is awesome. My only problem with it is that there is not enough John Petrucci on it. I can't see how people can say that this album sucks. When you have this much talent on a single CD, it can't miss.
PS - if anyone is having a hard time finding it in NYC, check out Zig Zag Records in Brooklyn.
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 15:57:23 -0400 From: Scarred1@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT release list Message-ID: <960819155721_460202131@emout15.mail.aol.com>
Hello Ytse- Jammers, I'm rather new to this Mailing list but I think that, being a big DT Fan, I'll find some new information about DT. I've seen them performing live in Germany way back in February 1995. And man, please don't misunderstand this, but I almost started crying. This might seem ridicolous but I just had not believed they could perform live the way it sounds on CD. It was fabolous! Their Support band was Fates Warning and I was lucky enough to catch the drum stick of FW's drummer Mark Zonder. I can see it right before me fixed at the wall. But DT isn't my only favourite band though it's the ULTIMATE band of the world, no doubt about it. I like listening to others as well: Queensryche, Symphony X as well as more 'mainstream' bands like Metallica, Type O'Negative or Paradise Lost. That about this.
Now to my question: Besides the FAQs about DT's new album (Feb. 1997?) I'd like to know if there is any release of DT which could complete my list: I have
When dream and day unite Images and Words Live at the marquee Awake A Change of Seasons
I know that there's a CD- Single, which contains: The silent man; Take the time (demo) and Eve (from the Awake- Sessions)
Is there any CD apart from these?
Thanx in advance
And please mail me:
Scarred1
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 13:20:19 -0400 From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Dean Castronova / Tourniquet (NDTC) Message-ID: <v01520d00ae3e08f8df79@[199.171.22.212]>
0lli-Pekka Komonen in Y'Jam #1760 wrote: >>Who is Dean Castronova? > I might be wrong, bu hasn't this guy played in Bad > English and Hardline, and (this I am really unsure) > Ken Tamplin's Tamplin.
no. he didn't play on Tamplin...some guy named David Raven did. i still know Dean Castronova from *something* else, but i can't place him.
> About this Tourniquet stuff, yes Ted Kirkpatrick is *the* drummer, > Pathogenic Ocular Dissonance is the cornerstone of progressive > thrash metal, everyone should own this, they have also released > a best of lately, called "the collected works of Tourniquet", > it contains 2 new tracks, haven't heard 'em though.
POD is a great album. Psycho Surgery is my fav Tourniquet one, though. The 2 new songs on the collection are heavier than their latest efforts (VL & CtW), and they are tuned down quite a bit. I hear their new one is going to be out sometime in November (perhaps) on Rugged Records (distr. by Benson).
Dan
---+ Dan Temmesfeld --- email: dantemm@erinet.com http://www.cedarville.edu/student/s1133627/gcowboys.htm "Home of the Unofficial GALACTIC COWBOYS Page" ---+
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 13:29:50 -0400 From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: new Tourniquet / Johnson-Vai-Satch Message-ID: <v01520d01ae3e0ac34b6c@[199.171.22.144]>
Dale R. Newberry in Y'Jam #1761 wrote: > To the guy who said something about the new Tourniquet > stuff (heard about it, but hasn't heard it yet), it is > more in the direction of Pathogenic Ocular Dissonance.
yet a heavier feel...IMO. most likely to Gary (and Aaron) tuning down so freakin' low.
> If any of you all have heard their recent > stuff, and were disappointed, rest assured, things look > GOOD on the horizon. I heard that their new album is > supposed to be one of, if not the most aggressive (and > judgin by the two new ones, possibly most progressive, > too) album they've done yet.
yeah, i got to talk to all of them at a recent show...gary and aaron especially longer than ted and luke. BTW, Victor's out of the band now, and they're searching for a new bassist (unless they've found one since June).
both aaron and gary reaffirmed that they were working on new material and it would be HEAVY. Vanishing Lessons was a transition album after two key members left, and Carry the Wounded was a "side-project," so hopefully the *real* Tourniquet is back!! It's supposed to be out around November.
> The lyrics take on a much > darker tone than their more recent stuff (VL/CtW). Very > interesting lyrical content.
yeah, they've been laking something in the lyrical content since POD. i wish they'd go back to the medical lyrics...those were cool.
> Eric Johnson/Satch/Vai tour is not rumour, but fact
WOW!!! I hope they all stop by Ohio!!
Dan
---+ Dan Temmesfeld --- email: dantemm@erinet.com http://www.cedarville.edu/student/s1133627/gcowboys.htm "Home of the Unofficial GALACTIC COWBOYS Page" ---+
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 12:56:18 -0400 From: "M. Stalker (Lugie on IRC)" <mstalker@wwonline.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: King's X in Toronto Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19960819165618.006ccd10@wwonline.com>
Hey Folks,
Yesterday I went to the King's X show at the Warehouse. All I can say is WOW. These guys are some of the coolest musicians I've ever met. Here's how it went:
6:30- I get to the venue hoping to meet the guys. there is only a small (6-8) group of people at the door. Me and my buddy Mark just hang out in line.
7:40- Doug comes out of the venue and briefly steps into the tour-bus before coming out and hanging out with the people in charge of the merchandise. A small crowd starts to gather around him, and I step up to him myself.
He was really cool, relaxed. He just seemed happy to be on tour, specially so far from Texas. A few people asked the typical questions "why aren't you guys more popular; what are your favourite songs, etc." He said that he enjoys playing the new stuff most. I finally got to talk to him and said that I'd been keeping track of the tour on the Internet. He laughed and joked that he found out that he was touring from the 'net too.
He then signed my copy of Ear Candy and my ticket. Very cool!
9:00 The Galactic Cowboys go on. They play an OK set but I wasn't very impressed. The bass player is a maniac, though; very cool. He jumped all over the stage and did eighties poses. They mentioned that they were supposed to play Toronto with Dream Theater a few years back (sorry to say, not too many people cheered, I guess not too many people new 'em).
10:30 King's X came on. What a show! The best part was the very end when the boys finished the encore and the crowd got them to play Goldilox. A whole bunch of people came on stage when Doug asked everyone to sing it. Another thing cool thing was when they started Dogman and Doug kept forgetting how to play it... they had to count in three times before they finally got it!
All in all it was a very cool night.
BTW-- for all those who think that this is their last record or tour, Doug kept saying that they would be back.
Later, Lugie.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mariano Stalker |"Don't be squirtin' water at me; I'll fuck yer girl- (Lugie on IRC) |friend, pal!" "That ain't a microphone in my pocket; 4ms28@qlink.queensu.ca |I'm just happy to see ya, California!" --David Lee Roth, US Festivial 1983 Visit me on the Web! Point yer Netscape at: http://qlink.queensu.ca/~4ms28 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 96 11:54:00 PDT From: Randall Braun <RBraun@tlr.ameridata.com> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: FYI Sammy's major creative difference with VH. Message-ID: <3218B7A3@mailgate.ameridata.com>
Through what I believe is a reliable music industry source, I've learned that the main reason Sammy left Van Heflen, the *creative differences*, is that Sammy has recently joined the increasing rank of rockers espousing the Christian faith, which also includes Alice Cooper, Rick Wakeman, Carlos Santana, Dan Huff (former lead guitar w/ Giant), Craig Goldy (former lead guitar w/ Dio), Jeff Fenholt (former vocalist w/ Black Sabbath), Kerry Livgren & John Elephante (Kansas) and Bob Dylan.
Now back to you regular scheduled Ytsjam channels.
White Lily Rock
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 11:23:27 -0400 From: guitar@haven.ios.com (Rob Leifer) To: Ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Derek's birthday bash! Message-ID: <v01530500ae3e34147a79@[169.132.80.30]>
Hey guys,
I talked to Derek yesterday and he told me that his birthday party will be at People's Bar and Grill at 11:00pm on Friday the 23rd. The kool thing is that the guys in DT are going to be there!! So try to get your asses down there! James won't be there, but all the other guys will! They're all going to jam too. If you have any questions, e-mail me and I'll try my best to answer them. I've been to this bar before so I know where it is. Hope to see you all there!
Later, Robb
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 15:14:42 GMT From: rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Working Man dead? Message-ID: <3218829c.3377338@mail.inforamp.net>
Good morning Jammers!
Well, it seems to have finally happened.
I just read the following message in alt.music.fates-warning stating that Magna Carta has pulled Working Man from circulation. .
From: cypher@iadfw.net (FATE) ..Begin Quote... I found out yesterday that Magna Carta has been forced to cease shipments of "Working Man" to Canada, the US, or ANYWHERE! The local Blockbuster Music is pulling it from their shelves and none of the other stores can get them. Even the local "bootleg" store wasn't able to score copies.
Fortunately, I was able to get a copy from a local store my friend works at while they were pulling the album from the shelves.
THIS IS BULLSHIT! I don't know what we can do about it, but something should be done. Fans shouldn't have to suffer because record companies are greedy!
Untill all this shit gets worked out... Here is Closer To The Heart, Beautifully performed by my favorite band -- FATES WARNING
-Cypher ..End Quote...
This is followed by the LARGE .WAV of Closer to the Heart by Fates from the tribute. It is just under 45,000 lines long. Not that I'm advocating that anyone take it from the NG of course. ;)
If this is true, this disc is now a collector's piece. Grab it while you can!!! The scandalous nature of the release could make it more valuable than some boots. I am very disheartened by this. I had hoped to pick it up in Buffalo this week, but that may not happen now. I haven't tried contacting MC directly yet, but it is my understanding that they are less than reliable about responding to e-mail.
Cheers,
Rick Toronto
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 96 9:19:25 EDT From: <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng) To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Rush Message-ID: <vines.3hH8+SW44mA@tcx.tcco.com>
I am NOT a huge Rush fan and probably haven't listened to them in over 6-7 years, but I think this "Working Man" CD is awesome. My only problem with it is that there is not enough John Petrucci on it. I can't see how people can say that this album sucks. When you have this much talent on a single CD, it can't miss.
PS - if anyone is having a hard time finding it in NYC, check out Zig Zag Records in Brooklyn.
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 96 15:46:37 +0200 From: nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop) To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: nga@server3.software-ag.de Subject: New CDs and other junk Message-ID: <9608191346.AA00268@sundoc13.software-ag.de>
Hi all,
just when you thought things couldn't get any worse, back I come from the lurkers. The Flatmate from Hell is gone, things are now in the hands of the police and my lawyer, and I've got a few things to get off my chest (other than my Macho Man Stick-On wooly rug, of course).
Perhaps all this stuff about the Rush (although you're not allowed to call it that) tribute album seems to be calming down again: I can only hope so, because the jam has rarely been so boring as in the last couple of weeks. It also looks like the debate "to click, or not to click" has finally crawled into some corner and has died quietly. Good ridance to a boring thread.
Apropos tribute albums: there seems to be a real glut of them at the moment. If this trend continues, the world of good music as we know it (please insert your own definition) will start to go round in ever decreasing circles, everybody paying tribute to everybody else, to finally disappear up it's own arsehole. PLOP! What was that? That was prog. metal, mate.
Did anybody notice that I *didn't* comment about the Phil Anselmo/overdose business? Doesn't anybody pay attention anymore?
My CD collection has been growing again (what a surprise). Here are a few of the new gems that have been added:
Prong - A Rude Awakening - No longer exactly new, but a great new album, which can loosely be described as 'dance metal': driving beat, good guitar and bass work, great vocals. I'm going to see the band on Wednesday (report to follow).
Angra - Holy Land - Again not exactly hot off the press, but one I've been meaning to buy for a time. I bought this one on the basis of recommendations from fellow jammers. Nice, but could perhaps be a little heavier. Maybe I'll have to give it more time.
Moonspell - Irreligious - Without doubt one of the up-and-coming bands in Europe. Wolfheart was good, but this is better. The singer has improved, and the keyboard work is perfect. I don't know of a better album to play to some- body that you want to turn on to death/doom/gothic - this album has it all. Does anybody know anything about tour dates in Europe?
Film news: the film "Mission: Impossible" is being boykotted here in Germany because of Tom Cruise's links to Scientology (reason enough for me not to go, not that I intended to anyway). Any feedback from the States on this one? My personal recommendation: go and see the new British film "Trainspotting". It is a film about real life (unlike a lot of the crap being screened these days), and it may even change your outlook on drugs (Graham, have you seen it yet? It is, after all, based in Glasgow).
Whatever happened to Ben and Bafu Vai?
Tea break's over, back on your heads, people.
stay safe and happy listening Neil Gallop (nga@software-ag.de)
Currently playing: Moonspell - Irreligious
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 08:48:54 -0500 (EST) From: babs@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu (Barb Battaglia) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1761 Message-ID: <v01510102ae3dda8d23b5@[137.238.26.12]>
>I have this event marked down as happenning on the 23rd (next Friday), 8:00 >PM, Elwood, LI (of course, I could be wrong, but that's what I got). I was >hoping for more directions and possibly someone who was either driving, or >wanted to share gas from Central Jersey area. I would greatly appreciate to >hear anything more about this... > > >L8R, >Brian
Hi Brian. This was emailed to me:
Derek's birthday bash will be held at the People's bar, and grill. in Elwood N.Y. I think the date is August 23, or 24th. To get to the People's pub you take Northern State parkway to exit 42 north. At the fork, you go right till you get to Jericho Turnpike (Rte 25) Get on Jericho for about 1/4 to 1/2 a mile. It is on the right side of the road heading east. It is right next to Northport Ford, and a kitchen and bath place. Other than that I can't be more specific. I'll try and get the addres and Phone number soon. Take care, John
Elen sila lumenn omentilmo, Mithrandir
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 04:51:03 +0100 From: elliott@fxn.com (Elliott Kim) To: The Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: DT web pages Message-ID: <19960819035101940.AAA203@ras14.fxn.com>
I read a little blurb in Guitar magazine about bands that received the most queries on WWW search engines. The names of the bands they listed aren't important, but here's the deal:
Even if you have a zillion DT pages bookmarked, keep querying your favorite search engines for DT. :)
YKYADTFW: you dream up crazy schemes like this in an attempt to get them some publicity.
-- Elliott Kim -------------------------------------------------------- --e l l i o t t @ f x n . c o m ----- E - M a n @ d r e a m t . o r g-- --h t t p : / / w w w . f x n . c o m / u s e r s / e / e l l i o t t--
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Date: Sun, 18 Aug 96 23:42:38 UT From: "Susan Ostroske" <spatz13@msn.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: yet another Dt page is born... Message-ID: <UPMAIL08.199608190655270760@msn.com>
Hey ya'll... just thought I'd mentio that I finally put my DT page online. Be forewarned.. it takes FOREVER to load, but IMHO it's cool once it does... the url is www.geocitis.com/sunsetstrip/3781/dt.html. Index.html will get you to my lame regular pages... but the two aren't connected...
Suz
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 01:32:50, -0500 From: CPRS92A@prodigy.com (MR JAN-MICHAEL SOUTER) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Elektra DT page Message-ID: <199608190532.BAA02758@mime3.prodigy.com>
-- [ From: Jan-Michael Souter * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --
Quoting Pat Daugherty:
>Subject: Elektra's DT web page > >Doing some surfing and was at Elektra's WWW DT page: >http: //pathfinder.com/@@0OFlrwcApgle7ZvA/elektra/artists/dream/dream.html >and noticed that they have a link called Newsgroup that is a mailto to >ytsejam-request@arastar.com > >Does that even work these days?
That old link is still there. Maybe if a bunch of us Email them directly, they will get it fixed soon.
jmichael on #ytsejam
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