YTSEJAM Digest 1765
Today's Topics:
1) b'boom
by Brian Cox <lerxst@metronet.com>
2) Jam Problems???
by BLevy@aol.com
3) Ytseland and Us: Partners in a caring community.
by Mike <syrinx@dreamt.org>
4) Elektra DT page
by CPRS92A@prodigy.com (MR JAN-MICHAEL SOUTER)
5) TFE- the song, Superior (NDTC)
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
6) Ethyl Mertz & People Bar & Grill
by Sava Web <savaweb@winternet.com>
7) soiree in the morning
by WildKoba@aol.com
8) Suz's new page, DT pages in general
by Dave Hatlee <buster@ee.net>
9) Machievelian Music CD/Demo Update #1
by "Susan Ostroske" <spatz13@msn.com>
10) Dt promotion in school
by kurt@fgallery.com
11) RE: YTSEJAM digest 1764
by "Susan Ostroske" <spatz13@msn.com>
12) Tape Swap Returns
by Prog Tape Swap <tapeswap@reich.uark.edu>
13) Just another shameless plug...
by Maraya007@aol.com
14) subscribe
by "Reder, Scott" <reders@ailmundp01.ChicagoIL.ncr.com>
15) Working Man pulled?!
by evan andrew nelson <enelson@students.uiuc.edu>
16) Test for Echo
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
17) YtseBlackout!!!
by "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net>
18) Working Man controversy...
by Dave Peterson <glyde@scc.net>
19) Re: Suz's Page
by "Larry Odneal" <ytsejammer@hotmail.com>
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Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 22:46:09 -0500 (CDT)
From: Brian Cox <lerxst@metronet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: b'boom
Message-ID: <199608190346.AA17750@metronet.com>
yeah, that king crimson 2cd set "b'boom" is wonderful. it is taken
from a DAT soundboard, but it was mixed live to 2 track DAT. so
is the new "thrakattack" cd.
it is tought to beat the quality of DAT soundboards when you have
control over a matrix section (you can set pan and levels for the
subgroups)
<><><><><><><><><> Brian V. Cox (lerxst@metronet.com) <><><><><><><><><>
<>Rush|Dream Theater|Queensryche|King's X|Echolyn|King Crimson|Voivod><>
"You have to systematically create confusion - it sets creativity free.
Everything that is contradictory creates life."
-Salvador Dali, 1980
<><><><><><><><><>DAT Taper/Trader - Email me for list<><><><><><><><><>
<><><><><><><><><>< http://www.metronet.com/~lerxst/ ><><><><><><><><><>
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Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 20:07:59 -0400
From: BLevy@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Jam Problems???
Message-ID: <960818200758_388296180@emout16.mail.aol.com>
Is anyone else out there missing a number of jams. I thought it was just me
about two weeks ago, then last week, four were missing in a row. Then I
thought it was just AOL (I'm getting sick of them, but that's another story).
Tonight, I get one, and I am now missing Jam#1762, and 1763 is like 4 posts
long. Is it me, AOL, JAM problems, aliens, A conspiracy launched by RUSH to
stop any kind of organization, all of the above, none of the above, WHAT????
L8R,
Brian
In CD Player --Rusty Nails II--NIN
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Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 19:24:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mike <syrinx@dreamt.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Ytseland and Us: Partners in a caring community.
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.960818192031.22665A-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
Hiya, Kids.
A few things have tickled my fancy (almost as much as D-Man's dancing),
so i thought I'd chime in here for a few.
Has anyone heard from Marcel Berkhout about the Carpe Diem CD? I
don't know about you guys, but i placed my order in March, and i'm
getting a bit discourged.
Speaking of not hearing anything, has Tim Lodge finally decided
to send my InstruMENTAL II and III cd's, or do you think he's pulling an
Al Balkowicks? I just don't know@!
So, on friday Ibanez, D-Meinster, Rachel and Myself will be
piling into the ytsemobile and going to Derek's party in Long Island. I
highly reccommend that those of you who _CAN_ go do go. It's gonna be a
kick ass affair, and there are a few suprises. :)
Ok. Time to go. You kids have fun.
-----------------------------------------------
Michael B. Ostrich - musical advisor/consultant
email: syrinx@dreamt.org
syrinx@voicenet.com
syrinx@astro.ocis.temple.edu
"..drink up, dreamers, you're running dry." - peter gabriel.
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Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 18:20:27, -0500
From: CPRS92A@prodigy.com (MR JAN-MICHAEL SOUTER)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Elektra DT page
Message-ID: <199608182220.SAA14514@mime3.prodigy.com>
-- [ From: Jan-Michael Souter * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --
Quoting Pat Daugherty:
>Subject: Elektra's DT web page
>
>Doing some surfing and was at Elektra's WWW DT page: >http:
//pathfinder.com/@@0OFlrwcApgle7ZvA/elektra/artists/dream/dream.html
>and noticed that they have a link called Newsgroup that is a mailto to
>ytsejam-request@arastar.com
>
>Does that even work these days?
That old link is still there. Maybe if a bunch of us Email them
directly, they will get it fixed soon.
jmichael on #ytsejam
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Date: Sun, 18 Aug 96 15:12:58 PDT
From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: TFE- the song, Superior (NDTC)
Message-ID: <9608182212.AA23689@tengs1>
I heard the song "Test for Echo" Fri. night on 93 Rock out of
Sacramento. It sounded really good! The vocals were kind of
weird (it might have been for effect), but it rocked. It didn't
have any of the guitar-crunch of the last album; it almost
sounded HYF-ish but with a heavier, fuller, cleaner sound. I
hope the whole album is strong since I think that usually Rush
writes a few "misses" on every album. I'll be sure to tape the
debut off the radio so I *can* wait a week to buy it. I'm not sure
about that petition thing. Rush might think that MC started it
and things could get really nasty.
On Superior:
(after listening to it almost non-stop for over a month)
I think the record is perfect from "Tomorrow's Eve" through
"Total Void". The other songs they could've cannibalized as
far as I'm concerned, but that's just me. I wonder what musical
direction the label is pushing them to go in... bastards.
Zach
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 19:23:02 -0500 (CDT)
From: Sava Web <savaweb@winternet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Ethyl Mertz & People Bar & Grill
Message-ID: <199608200023.TAA06527@tundra.winternet.com>
The Address is:
People's Bar & Grille
1972 Jericho Turnpike
Elwood, Long Island
(516) 499-2708
I think the Directions below are of great value!!!
>
> Hi Brian. This was emailed to me:
>
> Derek's birthday bash will be held at the People's bar, and grill.
> in Elwood N.Y. I think the date is August 23, or 24th. To get to the
> People's pub you take Northern State parkway to exit 42 north. At the fork,
> you go right till you get to Jericho Turnpike (Rte 25) Get on Jericho for
> about 1/4 to 1/2 a mile. It is on the right side of the road heading east.
> It is right next to Northport Ford, and a kitchen and bath place. Other than
> that I can't be more specific. I'll try and get the addres and Phone number
> soon. Take care, John
>
> Elen sila lumenn omentilmo, Mithrandir
nathan bradley
savaweb@winternet.com
http://www.winternet.com/~savaweb/
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 20:24:25 -0400
From: WildKoba@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: soiree in the morning
Message-ID: <960819202424_460424123@emout12.mail.aol.com>
hit manny's this morning, and talked to a keyboard guy who mentioned he was
making some sound patches for derek on the new album, which i thought was
cool. manny's is the only place i've ran into that actually had an oberheim
matrix 1000 in stock. a fine piece of analog orgasmic gear.
i found part 2 of the king crimson "i will anally rape your ears with our
fine bootleg dat recordings" today. "thrakattak". again, the same fine sounds
i would recommend all your mothers and more to get. mike, glad you got what i
meant, and i know what you're going thru. thanks for not busting my balls for
it.
i just gor off the phone with a gentleman at the people's pub. check this
out- derek was there!!!!! (?!?!?!) here are directions, straight from him.
their number is 516 499-2708, if you have more questions.
lie to exit 51, north. (park ave). approx. 1 mile, pass the nsp (northern
state parkway, and although he wasn't sure, exit 42 sounds right if you
choose to take that instead), pass a firehouse on the righthand side, then
the fork, where you veer right into east park ave. go one mile, veer into
jericho tpke. one light after jericho (approx. 1/16 mi., then another
1000yds.- i love how precise he was), you pass a shopping center. the
people's pub is the next building after the shopping center (elwood shopping
center). there's a carwash across the street from it, so you can wash your
car while you have sex as the big brushes go over your big brushes.
showtime is supposedly 11:00, at least that's what i heard derek yell in the
bground.
there. see ya'll there.
love,
your mom.
*****************************************************************
david kobayashi
the wild and magical koba
"i'm using the chicken to measure it." -some freak on "uncle meat".
"for 20 long years, i could not read music. but now, thanks to 'hooked on
funk'...."- dean, screaming headless torsos.
*****************************************************************
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 19:57:41 -0400
From: Dave Hatlee <buster@ee.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Suz's new page, DT pages in general
Message-ID: <3218FF75.6E9D@ee.net>
Hats off to Susan Ostroske for her new DT Page at
http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/3781/dt.html
(I corrected the URL from the last jam)
Nice work Suz!
I've been touring around some of the DT Web Site out there (TONS of them!)
and it seems to me they're all great! :) Who the fuck needs radio?!?! With the
kind of publicity and promotion that we the fans give them, DT will be around
a long time!
Dave Hatlee
buster@ee.net
http://users1.ee.net/buster "When Dream and Doom Unite!"
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 96 23:42:47 UT
From: "Susan Ostroske" <spatz13@msn.com>
To: "Elliot Kim" <E-Man@dreamt.org>,
Cc: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Machievelian Music CD/Demo Update #1
Message-ID: <UPMAIL08.199608192343510784@msn.com>
Hello everyone on the Machievelian Music mailing list!!! As the sub line
states, this is a quick update on my CD/Demo project, among other things. ;)
As of today, Monday, August 19, 1996, the songlist for SECTION 8 reads, in no
particular order:
1. Caeleryn
2. Dreamstates
Part 1: The Vision
Part 2: The nightmare
Part 3: The Awakening
Part 4: Endless Dreams
3. Ariata Cavatina
4. Fire and Lightning
5. BlueSky
6. The Jam
7. Heroes and Saints
I'm planning to have a rough demo version of this ready around mid-December.
And yes, it will be available to whomever wants it.
If you feel you simply must have a copy of ILLUSIONS, e'mail me at
Spatz13@msn.com so we can arrange to get you one.
That's it for now... hopefully, I'll have the Section8 web page up around
Sept. 1 for your viewing pleasure... maybe with it's own domain... }:)
Thanks for your time!
Susan Ostroske
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 19:34:36 -0400
From: kurt@fgallery.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Dt promotion in school
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.8.19.-13.34.36.2916992174.326322@bbs.fgallery.com>
Ok..so I began my senior year in HIgh school today.. and all my
notebooks are promoting my Fave band..Dream Theater.. (i took some bmps'
and jpg's and printed them,then i put them on with transparent adhesive
paper) ok.. in my Pre-Calculus class, the teacher takes my notebook and
holds it up so the class can see it, and says "This is exactly the type
of notebook i want for my class,blah blah" and everyone saw my sticker..
I was so proud! yeah! Some of the people (the ones who im always buggin'
so they listen to Dt) snickered when they saw it.. cool huh.
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 96 23:18:22 UT
From: "Susan Ostroske" <spatz13@msn.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 1764
Message-ID: <UPMAIL08.199608192343450355@msn.com>
>Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 15:57:23 -0400
>From: Scarred1@aol.com
>Subject: DT release list
>When dream and day unite
>Images and Words
>Live at the marquee
>Awake
>A Change of Seasons
>I know that there's a CD- Single, which contains: The silent man; Take the
I'll humbly mention what I've heard... Mind Control (Italian bootleg of live
stuf), the Caught in a Web single (not sure what else is on it), and there's
Uncovered, but so far I oly know it's available in Japan... there's another
Italian boot from the same guy(s) that did Mind Control, but I can't remember
the name... and then here are all the nifty Majesty, DT, JP, and Kevin Moore
demos... speaking of Kevin, visithttp:// www.chromakey.com NOW!! It's his
page, and you can find out how to get Chromakey there... and e'mail AirDance
@aol.com to find out how to get his other demos... :)
Suz
http://www.geocities.com/3781/dt.html
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 18:23:12 -0500 (CDT)
From: Prog Tape Swap <tapeswap@reich.uark.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Tape Swap Returns
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960819181353.127A-100000@reich.uark.edu>
Greetings Jammers,
I mentioned a couple weeks back that the prog tape swap would be
returning as soon as my system went back online... well, I'm back on the
net so I'm going to get the ball rolling on this thing.
Here's the deal: you make a tape of your favorite obscure bands
(Shadow Gallery, Echolyn, Ivanhoe, Superior, Enchant, or any other
bands you feel might be of interest to someone with prog/prog-metal
leanings)... you make three copies of this tape... send them to three
people. In return you receive three different tapes full of similarly
obscure and noteworthy music. Sound cool? Well, then sign up to
participate...
What I need from you: name, e-mail address, postal address.
Send this info to: tapeswap@reich.uark.edu
After a decent number of people have signed up, I'll randomly distribute
your name and address to three people... and assign three people to
you. Full details will be sent out when you e-mail me... feel free to
ask any questions about anything you aren't sure about, have concerns
about, etc. This was done last year and turned out really well, so I'm
hoping that it will run similary well this time around. I've still got
the old list from last time, so don't hesitate to sign up again as I'll
be making sure not to overlap anybody from the last round.
Hope to be hearing from a lot of you guys in the near future... lets
make this thing work and introduce new bands to each other.
DrX (Ed Reed)
tapeswap@reich.uark.edu
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For information about a progressive rock/metal tape swap
Email me at: tapeswap@reich.uark.edu
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 19:15:42 -0400
From: Maraya007@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Just another shameless plug...
Message-ID: <960819191542_182821178@emout12.mail.aol.com>
..for the DT fanzine. Again, issue #14 contains DT news (new CD info,
Working Man tribute, instructional videos, etc), blurbs on Kevin Moore and
Kevin Gilbert, reviews of a Petrucci/Portnoy clinic, the new Blind Guardian,
and an interview with Lou Falco of (Wicked) Maraya. It's only a buck and a
quarter per issue in the US or $2 overseas (checks made out to me, not to the
fanzine!), it has the sanction of the band, they all get copies... need you
more incentive? You can email me with any inquiries, or send direct to me
at:
Metropolis Watch
c/o Jaime Kimpton
Virginia Wesleyan College
Box C-274
Norfolk, VA 23502
Jaime the sunburned Dragon
"...and these crimes between us grow deeper..."
DMB, "Ants Marching"
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Date: Mon Aug 19 15:45 CDT 1996
From: "Reder, Scott" <reders@ailmundp01.ChicagoIL.ncr.com>
To: "'YTSEJAM'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: subscribe
Message-ID: <3218DF1F@uf5387u.ChicagoIL.ncr.com>
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 16:11:01 -0500 (CDT)
From: evan andrew nelson <enelson@students.uiuc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Working Man pulled?!
Message-ID: <Pine.Sola.3.91.960819160532.1257A@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu>
Well, if it's true that stores are pulling their copies of Working Man
off the shelves, the Tower in Seattle sure didn't get the news.. they had
three copies, and a couple of friends and I cleaned them out. Talk about
timing!
It doesn't seem right that SRO, or Anthem, or whoever did it, should have
the power to stop distribution since no laws were broken in the recording
of Working Man. Whoever said that we should wait a couple of weeks to
buy Test for Echo is on to something.. I heard the new single on the
radio just now, and it sounds a lot like Power Windows type material.. not
the best choice for the first radio single IMO.
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 17:01:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Test for Echo
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960819165943.15046B-100000@bdmserver>
I _AMAZINGLY_ have heard the new Rush tune Test for Echo twice today
on the lackluster radio stations of Baltimore.
It is kind of a mellow song but I like it.
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------|
| Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com |
|=======================================================================|
| "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater |
| "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------|
| Hail to the Redskins, Hail Victory!!!!!!!! 1-2 (preseason) |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------|
Go Orioles-Playoff bound in 1996!!!
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 23:29:26 -0400
From: "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: YtseBlackout!!!
Message-ID: <321930F0.56E6@earthlink.net>
Hi Jammers,
Just wanted to see if anyone sees my post. I havent gotten a Jam for a
while so I'm guessing that very few people have resubscribed. Gonna
post my .sig too to see if I can get this Jam to come out a little
faster..YES..The Ivory Gate of Dreams .sig rises once again!!!
also, did anyone else go to Birch Hill this past Friday to see Yngwie
Malmsteen! I was ready for another repeat of an awesome song followed
by three crappy songs and so on....but this time...DAMN..he played only
the good stuff..I Am A Viking, Rising Force, I'll See The Light Tonight,
Far Beyond The Sun, Black Star, Vengeance, Pyramid of Cheops, Seventh
Sign, Krakatau!!!! Overall, an AMAZING set!!!....ohh and also,,New
Jersey roadsigns SUCK big time..:-)
cheers,
Carlo (aka Fates, YtseSatan)
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 23:03:05 -0500 (CDT)
From: Dave Peterson <glyde@scc.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Working Man controversy...
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960819224416.10471A-100000@scc.net>
There seems to be a lot of people out there that are upset about the
problems that the CD, "Working Man", is having. Some have even gone so
far as to call Rush "Childish" for opposing its release.
Sure it sucks that a great CD is not being universally supported, but
guys - think before you speak!
Imagine that you are a world-famous Prog-rock Group in the twilight stages
of a glorious career and you find that some people are looking to make a
profit off of YOUR music.
Maybe Magna Carta's upset because Rush apparently changed their tune
half-way through the process. Still, if you're a responsible Magna Carta
executive, you MAKE DAMN WELL SURE that your investment isn't going to go
down as an embarrassing loss. RUSH has the final say in where their
music is and isn't sold and they have EVERY RIGHT to withhold this CD.
Isn't that the way it should be?
"Yeah, but Rush is being greedy and childish by not allowing this to happen."
But aren't you yourself being greedy when you cry that "Working Man" isn't
as widespread as YOU'D like it to be?
People, they're Rush and they can do what they damn well please and it
shouldn't really matter to us WHAT their motives are. If they don't like
the COVER ART, that's reason enough for them to pull it. (Somehow I think
it's more than that. ;) They made the music - they should control the
flow of it, not some fledgling Prog-label.
I admire Magna Carta's idea. They put together a heck of an album, but
before all of that, they should have been ROCK SOLID in the legal
department and they obviously goofed here and hopefully it won't cost
them too much. It's a hell of a label they've got going.
So don't get down on Rush. Admire them that they have the courage to
fight for what they believe in, even if it happens to disagree with your
greedy little tastes... ;)
With all of that said and done, I'm content to watch the market-value of
my personal copy of Working Man skyrocket in value. Heeheeheeheehee!!!!!
Dr. Teeth
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 15:28:29 -0700
From: "Larry Odneal" <ytsejammer@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Suz's Page
Message-ID: <96Aug19.152830pdt.626337(3)@constitution.hotmail.com>
>From: "Susan Ostroske" <spatz13@msn.com>
>To: ytsejam@ax.com
>Subject: yet another Dt page is born...
>Message-ID: <UPMAIL08.199608190655270760@msn.com>
>
>Hey ya'll... just thought I'd mentio that I finally put my DT page online.
>Be forewarned.. it takes FOREVER to load, but IMHO it's cool once it does...
>the url is www.geocitis.com/sunsetstrip/3781/dt.html. Index.html will get you
>to my lame regular pages... but the two aren't connected...
>
>Suz
>
Hey EVERYBODY - go check it Suz's page - it's very cool. Nicely done, Suz!!!
But (you knew there had to be a but, didn't you) - you are telling people to
subscribe using the old _arastar.com_ address. Not gonna work! You might
wanna fix this ASAP. Everything else on your DT page is awesome, though!
BTW, a minor typo in your original message might throw some people - it's
geocities, not geocitis. Geez, aren't I the picky sumbitch today!
Hasta la pasta,
Sir Reality
. . . because, after all, you create your own Reality
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