YTSEJAM Digest 1766
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Working Man controversy...
by vestal@usa.net (DUSTY VESTAL)
2) new tourniquet
by Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net>
3) Sweet Amp 4sale
by Dave Hatlee <buster@ee.net>
4) Workingman
by Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net>
5) Stuff, and Mike Bahr
by Mithrandir <mithrandir@pb.net>
6) Working Man pulled
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
7) dead stuff
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
8)
by akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
9) YTSEJAM digest
by Filthy Lucre <edrock@connexus.apana.org.au>
10) Working Man *NOT* being pulled worldwide!
by Jeff Stewart <stewaj01@condor.stcloud.msus.edu>
11) DT Concert T-Shirts
by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
12) New Album?
by Alan E Adler <al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
13) Working Man
by Dave Silva <silva@physci.psu.edu>
14) Pt. 2FYI Sammy's major creative difference with VH.
by Randall Braun <RBraun@tlr.ameridata.com>
15) Re: Test For Echo
by Ryan_Rafaloff@tanagraphics.com (Ryan Rafaloff)
16) where is everybody?
by Jonathan Case <jcase@ROSSBY.METR.ou.edu>
17) Anyone into shooting some heroin and doing an Aerosmith tribute? :)
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
18) Test For Echo
by cronos@worldaccess.nl (Richard Karsmakers)
19) Trainspotting
by Graham Borland <graham@grelb.src.gla.ac.uk>
20) Working Man, TFE as the first single, The Rush beast ravages the little guy (long), Queen tribute
by rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 22:25:25 -0600 (MDT)
From: vestal@usa.net (DUSTY VESTAL)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Working Man controversy...
Message-ID: <199608200425.WAA18554@mail.usa.net>
>With all of that said and done, I'm content to watch the market-value of
>my personal copy of Working Man skyrocket in value. Heeheeheeheehee!!!!!
Yea, I knew there was some motive behind your support of the album getting
pulled<g>......GREED,,GREED,,,GREED!!!....DUSTY
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 23:33:59 -0600
From: Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: new tourniquet
Message-ID: <32194E47.7B2F@mo.net>
>yet a heavier feel...IMO. most likely to Gary (and Aaron) tuning down >so frekin' low.
Yeah, I agree. It does seem to have a heavier feel to it. The new
(well, sort of new, the latest) singer, Luke, does have a distinctly
different voice than Guy Ritter did, too, though he can belt it out like
Guy.
>BTW, Victor's out of the band now, and they're searching for a new >bassist (unless they've found one since June).
Bummer. I liked Victor. He had a cool Eddie tattoo on his arm. Funny
guy. However, I'm a bassist, and I'm not really playing in anything
serious right now (hint, hint)...
>Vanishing Lessons was a transition album after two key members left, >and Carry the Wounded was a "side project,"...
Yeah, VL wsa good, but it was definitely a transition album. I agree
about CtW, too. That's why I never recommend it for first-time
listeners. I sort of liked most of it (at least it proved their
versatility if nothing else), but it wasn't really "them," you know.
The medical lyrics were cool, btu I had a heck of a time trying to
explain them (the ones I could figure out anyway) to people (I had a
hard enough time pronouncing some of the titles). Wasn't Ted's father
in medical supply sales or somthing?
>...Magna Carta has pulled Working Man from circulation..
AHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! NOOOOOOO!!!!!!! I HAVE TO GET IT BEFORE IT"S GONE
FOREVER!!!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! COULD SOMEONE PLEASE PICK UP AN EXTRA
COPY FOR ME???????? thanks.
Just had one helluva work day. I hate grocery stores from here on
out. Later guys.
Dale R. Newberry
"I opened up a big ass can of worms there."
-Les Claypool @ Woodstock '94
currently listening to: Stavesacre - "Friction"
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 01:42:54 -0400
From: Dave Hatlee <buster@ee.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Sweet Amp 4sale
Message-ID: <3219505E.179@ee.net>
ATTENTION GUITARISTS:
I have a SWEET amp for sale! Roland JC-120. Took me a month to get it on
backorder, now I have to sell it. It's Brand spankin' new..still has the
tag on the handle grip, and never been played out. I paid $880 for it 3
months ago - will take $795 for it. Not a scratch on it.
Specs:
2 inputs - high/low
Built in chorus (beautiful clean sound!)
reverb
footswitch
l/r line outs
effects loop with send jack and level switch
rated power output 120 watts
2 12inch speakers
on removeable casters (wheels) for easy moving
several controls - brightness, depth, rate, etc...
This is one of Joe Satriani's amps of choice, and it has a one of
a kind killer tone....makes my Crate sound like a toy. So why am I
selling it? 3 months ago when I bought it I was working 2 jobs. Well,
now I am running just my own business and no longer have the day job.
I need the money to help keep things afloat, and I'm not in a band
right now. someone please buy it :)
Dave Hatlee
buster@ee.net
http://users1.ee.net/buster
614-442-8716
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 01:04:42 -0600
From: Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Workingman
Message-ID: <3219638A.AD9@mo.net>
Again, if someone could PLEASE pick up a copy for me, I woudl realyl
appreciate it. If anyone has found it in the St. Louis area, let me
know. Of course, I'll pay the price plus S&H. If I find any extra
copies, I'll get them (provided I can afford it) and let anyone that
wants any to 'em. I don't know if that'll happen, though, seeing as how
I haven't found it yet. Anyone that can pick up a copy for me e-mail me
private. Thanks.
Dale R. Newberry
"Idealism is what preceeds experience; cynicism is what follows."
-David T. Wolf
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 23:53:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mithrandir <mithrandir@pb.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Stuff, and Mike Bahr
Message-ID: <199608200653.XAA25302@mindcrime.ax.com>
So who can I expect to see at the Ethyl Mertz show? E-mail me, and
we'll all get together, and hang out. Bring your knives, and chains though.
Deen Castronovo also played on OZZY Ozbourne's latest release.
Mike Bahr, please E-mail me, as I have something to tell you that
might interest you, and I can't find your address.
For those concerned, the shopping center that is next to People's Pub has
the Elwood twin movie theater in it. So look for that as you come down
Jericho turnpike. Also, it is exit 42 off of Northern State Parkway.
Elen sila lumenn omentilmo, Mithrandir
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 23:30:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Working Man pulled
Message-ID: <199608200630.AA10883@crl3.crl.com>
I was the first person to suggest waiting a few weeks before
purchasing TfE, to avoid those critical "first week sales."
I must disagree with Dr. Teeth's earlier comments. Always with the
assumption that Magna Carta had all their royalty ducks in a row when
they concieved and marketed the CD, it is -wrong- of Rush to attempt
to block a tribute CD when no laws have been broken, the musical
craftsmanship on the CD is good (IMO, excellent on many tracks, but
few fans would argue with "good"), and the ultimate effect of the CD
would have been to whet our appetites for more Rush.
If the CD has been pulled from distribution due to Rush, their
management and/or their label, and (again) Magna Carta made no
mistakes on the legal end and the CD was fully legit, I have no choice
but to boycott the new Rush CD.
This hurts, folks. You can see from my .sig below that Rush is one of
my favorites, probably my all-time favorite........but if they're
going to be THIS petty over a tribute featuring some of the most
talented musicians who ever plugged up on stage, I cannot and will not
support them.
-- Paul W. Cashman, vanyel@crl.com Rush Dream Theater Korn Bonedance --- www.crl.com/~vanyel ------ Metallica Hawkwind Enya Superior Mutha's Day Out Sisters of Mercy Dead Can Dance Blue Oyster Cult "You can find all you need in your mind / If you take the time.." -DT------------------------------
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1985 03:00:46 -0500 From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org> To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: dead stuff Message-ID: <1D6845AD.6D4@dreamt.org>
wow... talk about inactivity and shit that just keeps happening :) such an empty, lonely mailbox it is now :( hopefully when school kix off we'll get some more. better to drown in jams than not get any u know :)
ever notice how you always bypass one song on an album for some reason and then later you listen to it and it becomes your absolute favorite song on the disc?
anyways, is the rush trib getting yanked? shit.. i never got it yet... i fookin hope i can find one.. it'll be a collectors item, wont it?
well, enough mindless babble. just hoping to bring some activity to this barren wasteland ;) ~Rip
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 10:19:00 +0200 From: akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch To: ytsejam@ax.com Message-ID: <v02130500ae3f2564ddea@[128.178.99.94]>
What is AOL?
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 20:41:26 -0700 From: Filthy Lucre <edrock@connexus.apana.org.au> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: YTSEJAM digest Message-ID: <321A8566.20A@connexus.apana.org.au>
> Through what I believe is a reliable music industry source, I've learned> that the main reason Sammy left Van Heflen, the *creative differences*, is that Sammy has recently joined the increasing rank of rockers espousing the Christian faith, which also includes Alice Cooper, Rick Wakeman, Carlos Santana, Dan Huff (former lead guitar w/ Giant), Craig Goldy (former lead guitar w/ Dio), Jeff Fenholt (former vocalist w/ Black Sabbath), Kerry Livgren & John Elephante (Kansas) and Bob Dylan.
If true rather interesting. Sammy is Ken Tamplin's cousin and Kenny boy is "praise the lord" type as well.
BTW, Santana follows the teachings of Indian (?) Sri Chimnoy.
Jeff Fenholt was in Black Sabbath for 5 minutes. Was in Joshua and MARS before Robert Rock.
Ed Rock M
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 08:19:43 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeff Stewart <stewaj01@condor.stcloud.msus.edu> To: Ytsejam Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Working Man *NOT* being pulled worldwide! Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.91.960820081400.424B-100000@condor.stcloud.msus.edu>
Howdy boys and girls,
In light of yesterday's news that the Working Man CD is being pulled from the shelves worldwide, I decided to write to Magna Carta and find out the scoop since I am still trying to locate a copy. Here's what they wrote me...
************************ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 08:55:46 -0400 From: Magcart@aol.com To: stewaj01@condor.stcloud.msus.edu Subject: Re: Working Man: Rush Tribute
In a message dated 96-08-19 17:50:12 EDT, you write:
<< I have heard that you have been forced to pull the "Working Man" compilation from circulation. >>
A complete falsehood. The only territory in the world where "Working MAn" willnot be available is Canada because Core Music Publishing would not grant us the proper licenses for that territory. But if you are located in the U.S. (or just about anywhere else) you can find the CD at any major chain. Thanks for your interest.
**************************
There ya have it! Happy hunting everyone! (me included)
Jeff Stewart remo@dreamt.org stewaj01@condor.stcloud.msus.edu
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 09:32:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT Concert T-Shirts Message-ID: <199608201332.JAA20585@ruby.cs.brandeis.edu>
Someone just emailed me this URL as a source for DT Concert T-shirts: http://members.aol.com/rocktoys/ (well, DT & many others). I looked, and they have 7 different shirts ranging in price from $16-$40.
(BTW, I have no relationship w/ the person, and take no responsability if there are problems)
-- +----------------------------+---------------+---------------------+ | We can learn from the past | Dream Theater | Michael Burstin | | But those days are gone +---------------+ Brandeis University | | We can hope for the Future | A Change Of +---------------------+ | But there may not be one | Seasons | LET'S GO PENS | +----------------------------+---------------+---------------------+ For info about Dream Theater, finger mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu http://www.cs.brandeis.edu/~mikeb/home.html
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 09:48:09 -0600 (CST) From: Alan E Adler <al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: New Album? Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.960820094742.25408E-100000@academ07.mty.itesm.mx>
When is going to be ready the new album?????
at least somebody's cool as you @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @_______________________________@ @ Alan Estrada Adler @ @_______________________________@ @al766074@academ01.mty.itesm.mx @ @_______________________________@ @ Don't Worry, Be Hippie! @ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 10:48:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave Silva <silva@physci.psu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Working Man Message-ID: <Pine.3.07.9608201035.B6101-b100000@champs>
I know this review is a little late, but after a number of listens, I wanted to share my thoughts on it. I guess I'm a little upset with people for ripping on the solos and other changes in the songs.
In The Trees, I think the intro is a very nice variation on the original, and the solo was very well done. No, it is NOTHING like the original, but the solo fits the song perfectly. In La Villa, someone was ripping on Morse saying that he should stick to classical. I think that he wasn't happy about some of his faster runs. I think that his solo is fantastic. I am not talking about his technical skill, but more on the actual notes he uses. In certain ways, I find it superior to Alex's original. AS for shredding, Alex shreds that solo in live performances, MUCH MORE than Steve did on his.
The only track which bugged me a little was Anthem. Man, that song was just a little too busy!
At any rate, I get the feeling that those who thought it was bad are the Rush purists. I have to say that I do like the originals better, but it was very interesting to listen to these quite excellent changes. Excellent CD. Glad I got it now. After a week, who knows where you could get it.
Dave
Incidentally, I did like Townsend's rendition of Natural Science. However, this is someone you either like what he's trying to do, or cannot stand his voice.
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 96 11:16:00 PDT From: Randall Braun <RBraun@tlr.ameridata.com> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Pt. 2FYI Sammy's major creative difference with VH. Message-ID: <321A00B3@mailgate.ameridata.com>
>>>Through what I believe is a reliable music industry source, I've learned that the main reason Sammy left Van Heflen, the *creative differences*, is that Sammy has recently joined the increasing rank of rockers espousing the Christian faith, which also includes Alice Cooper, Rick Wakeman, Carlos Santana, Dan Huff (former lead guitar w/ Giant), Craig Goldy (former lead guitar w/ Dio), Jeff Fenholt (former vocalist w/ Black Sabbath), Kerry Livgren & John Elephante (Kansas) and Bob Dylan.
Also should be included: Gary Cherone, Extreme vocalist/lyricist (one of my favorites, especially his use of irony & oxymoron) and Lou Graham (Foreigner) also, perhaps Ian McDonald (1st incarnation of King Crimson, later of Foreigner, co-producer/guest artist w/ Steve Taylor); King's X, Galactic Cowboys, Atomic Opera, the Call, the Alarm, Collective Soul, Peter Banks (AfterTheFire, original Yes guitarist) & Mark Farner (Grand Funk Railroad). Bono, Edge & Larry of U2 (? I've heard that they're going back to a pre-Achtung era mode; perhaps the golden Bono has gotten past his David Bowie-Ziggy Stardust alter ego stage). Bruce Cockburn (although many of you may not have heard of him, you'll find him quoted by Bono on God, pt.2 from Rattle & Hum; he is a Christian nonconformist in the mode of Steve Taylor & Carlos Santana;, you'll probably find that most of those I've listed are nonconformists rather than traditionally *religious*) And there are undoubtably more. Makes you think.
Now back to you regular scheduled Ytsjam channels.
By the way, I also seem to be missing more than the *usual* number of JAMs off the web.
White Lily Rock
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 96 12:55:04 -0500 From: Ryan_Rafaloff@tanagraphics.com (Ryan Rafaloff) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Test For Echo Message-ID: <180343.ensmtp@tanagraphics.com>
WNEW in NY has been putting some heavy rotation on "Test For Echo" lately.
I seems to me, that we are hearing the sound similar to the Grace Under Pressure days.
My new favorite on "Working Man" = Natural Science..........what a jam
Rock on,
-Raf "I need to live life, like some people never will, so find me kindness, find me beauty, find me truth..." - LtL
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 12:25:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Jonathan Case <jcase@ROSSBY.METR.ou.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: where is everybody? Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.90.960820122403.2715A-100000@rossby>
Hey,
Everyone must be on vacation like me. There hasn't been any e-mails for a while. Did anyone care to comment about Leviathan?
Take care, Jon
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 18:16:03 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Anyone into shooting some heroin and doing an Aerosmith tribute? :) Message-ID: <321A00E2.794B@mailstorm.dot.gov>
Who's going tonight (besides Brian "5/8" W. :)? I heard it's an 8:30 start.
Regards,
Jon
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 96 18:22:29 GMT From: cronos@worldaccess.nl (Richard Karsmakers) To: ytsejam@ax.com (Ytsejam Mailing List) Subject: Test For Echo Message-ID: <M.082096.202229.26@wxs1-10.worldaccess.nl>
If what I read about Magna Carta having had to pull back "Working Man"...man, that's terrible. It's still available out here, so if any of you are interested, contact me. Will cost you about 40 Dutch guilders, excluding postage. "Test for Echo" will be available in the record shops here at September 1st or 2nd. A shame I will not buy it for another two weeks or something, just to piss of Rush! (even though I think that won't make much of a difference) The rest of this year is going to be expensive...new albums by Mercyful Fate, King Diamond, Steve Vai, My Dying Bride, Anathema, Rush, and maybe DT... -- /--------------------------------------------------------------\ | Richard Karsmakers cronos@worldaccess.nl | \--------------------------------------------------------------/ C.R.I.M.E. Development; "Twilight World" Magazine; WWW-MMM P.O. Box 67, 3500 AB, Utrecht, Netherlands /--------------------------------------------------------------\ | "Who is General Protection and why is he reading my disk?" | \--------------------------------------------------------------/
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 19:30:01 +0100 (BST) From: Graham Borland <graham@grelb.src.gla.ac.uk> To: YtseJam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Trainspotting Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.93.960820192632.14278B-100000@grelb.src.gla.ac.uk>
Neil wrote: > go and see the new British film "Trainspotting". [snip]
Definitely. It's one of the best films I've ever seen.
> (Graham, have you seen it yet? It is, after all, based in Glasgow).
Of course! It's been out since last year. The nightclub is 5 minutes' walk from my flat, the high school is 15 minutes away, and the sex scene was filmed in the bedroom of someone I know :-)
You know that bit about "the worst toilet in Scotland"? They were lying. The worst toilet in Scotland is actually at my place . . .
Graham
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 19:20:18 GMT From: rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Working Man, TFE as the first single, The Rush beast ravages the little guy (long), Queen tribute Message-ID: <3219ee5c.724680@mail.inforamp.net>
Good afternoon Jammers!
>Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 16:11:01 -0500 (CDT) >From: evan andrew nelson <enelson@students.uiuc.edu>
>Well, if it's true that stores are pulling their copies of Working Man >off the shelves, the Tower in Seattle sure didn't get the news.. they had >three copies, and a couple of friends and I cleaned them out. Talk about >timing!
Well, you may have been lucky enough to score the last copies that they will have access to. (Monty Python voice on) You lucky bastard!!! :)
>I heard the new single on the >radio just now, and it sounds a lot like Power Windows type material.. not >the best choice for the first radio single IMO.
Interesting, I found that it sounded more like something that might have been on Counterparts. Virtuality sounds like a cousin to Stick it Out riff-wise, although I prefer it's structure to that of SiO. Apparently, there are virtually no keys on this record. That will be interesting, and a true test to see whether they are still capable of writing heavy riffs that are up to par with the older material.
>Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 17:01:45 -0400 (EDT) >From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
>It is kind of a mellow song but I like it.
It certainly beats New World Man from Signals as a first single. The first time I heard NWM I thought, "This is it!?!! This is what I have been waiting for!?!?". Needless to say I wasn't thrilled with the track, and, although I like it somewhat more now, it isn't one of my faves. Then again, it was originally written to fill a gap on the record of around 4 minutes and you can't expect perfection from a rush job (no pun intended).
>Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 23:03:05 -0500 (CDT) >From: Dave Peterson <glyde@scc.net>
>Imagine that you are a world-famous Prog-rock Group in the twilight stages >of a glorious career and you find that some people are looking to make a >profit off of YOUR music.
Rush has made more than a marginal profit from sales of their music. They are quite likely one of the top selling international artists and almost certainly the top selling Canadian artist. Unfortunately, they now have to compete with Analcyst Moreothisshit.
>Maybe Magna Carta's upset because Rush apparently changed their tune >half-way through the process. Still, if you're a responsible Magna Carta >executive, you MAKE DAMN WELL SURE that your investment isn't going to go >down as an embarrassing loss. RUSH has the final say in where their >music is and isn't sold and they have EVERY RIGHT to withhold this CD. >Isn't that the way it should be?
It's true that they have the right, but is it necessarily a just one? Anthem and SRO have now placed a small company in a position where they could be financially ruined. It is highly unethical to grant permission for the utilization of material and then retract it once production is underway. Even if this were an acceptable, good faith business practice, should Rush/Anthem/SRO not now be in a position legally to compensate Magna Carta for their losses since the project commenced on the level with respect to copyright authorization?
>"Yeah, but Rush is being greedy and childish by not allowing this to happen." > >But aren't you yourself being greedy when you cry that "Working Man" isn't >as widespread as YOU'D like it to be?
This is a difficult one for me to answer objectively. However, I will say no. Rush would not be in a position to deny anything if the fans had not been responsible for embracing their music to begin with. This whole thing comes across to me as "We don't want a tribute done with our music because we are going through a midlife crisis and don't want to be considered dead before our time." I would be willing to bet that if they weren't about to release a new record, or if they had just retired as a band, they wouldn't be raising any opposition to a tribute to their work. This is the ultimate form of flattery. So what if a small unknown record company, in the grand scheme of things, makes a quarter million on sales of a tribute record. Big deal. I wonder how much Rush made on sales of Counterparts, not to mention the other records. I have already replaced all of my vinyl with copies of the CDs. I have purchased everything up to Power Windows twice. Rush fans will do that without hesitation just to see what they've been missing. Surely Anthem/Rush have made a few million from this type of sale alone. There is another possible side to this: album release jitters. Could they be worried that the new stuff won't cut it in the alternative marketplace we live in? Possibly, but that doesn't give them a right to block this record. If they were so concerned about the skills of the artists playing their music, you would see them jumping all over the tribute bands around the world who play their music nightly in clubs and make a profit from it. Then again, this is a smaller scale profit. Is it acceptable for someone to pay tribute to you only if they make a subsistence living from it but not a comfortable one? Should concern not be given to how the material itself is played? There are some very gifted musicians on the tribute who are more than capable of doing justice to it. Whether they have done so is a matter of personal interpretation. Is Rush attempting to tell the listening public that tribute bands are better equipped to play their material because they lack the backing of a record company and will never release it for mass consumption? It sounds a little like the old "I can play it better than you, so if we aren't playing it my way, no one's playing!" whine that I heard on the playground 27 years ago when I was a Kindergarten student. Not really the type of moral presentation I would expect from a band of Rush' calibre.
>People, they're Rush and they can do what they damn well please and it >shouldn't really matter to us WHAT their motives are.
Once again though, Rush wouldn't have any of this music to control the use of if the fans hadn't embraced it to begin with. Any musician who has his work mass distributed owes EVERYTHING to the fans. No exceptions. Neil played on the Buddy Rich tribute. The nerve of him to think that his interpretation of a great drummer's work should be allowed to be sold allowing people to make money from it! Then again, I guess it's okay since Buddy is dead and can't object.
>I admire Magna Carta's idea. They put together a heck of an album, but >before all of that, they should have been ROCK SOLID in the legal >department and they obviously goofed here and hopefully it won't cost >them too much. It's a hell of a label they've got going.
That's my point. I really feel that Rush/Anthem/SRO made themselves look like monkeys humping a football when they collectively gave consent and then, 50-75% of the way through, said, "Um, We've changed our minds. Sorry to inconvenience your little label, but we'll have to sue you into bankruptcy if you don't stop distribution. No hard feelings? That's good. Bye-bye". Magna Carta does have a good label and provides us with music that no major label wants to support because cRAP and Alternashit are such big money makers. At one time, Rush was on the outside looking in, and wondering if anyone would ever have faith in their music. I can't help but think that they have become arrogant in their old age and decided that what they want matters more than helping a fledgling label to establish itself by presenting great music to a new audience. Rush has a huge following and it wouldn't hurt their wallets one bit to allow Magna Carta to present some of the new generation of progressive rockers to play music by a band they, and millions of others, idolize.
>So don't get down on Rush. Admire them that they have the courage to >fight for what they believe in, even if it happens to disagree with your >greedy little tastes... ;)
They may fight for their convictions, but a fight that benefits no one is a war of idiocy. This is not much different than the Japanese surprise attack on Pearl Harbor. Magna Carta didn't see it coming and could have been, and may still be, devastated by it.
>With all of that said and done, I'm content to watch the market-value of >my personal copy of Working Man skyrocket in value. Heeheeheeheehee!!!!!
Then what does that say of your view of the subject? If you are proud of the fact that you have what is surely destined to be a collectable, then it also makes you a strange bedfellow in the Rush camp. If you support their position, should you not feel ashamed to own a copy of a work for which the band's blessing is lacking? You could extend this argument to bootlegs as well. I'm not flaming you, just presenting my opinions. :) I support Magna Carta and, with all due respect to Rush, hope that they come out on top in this one if the big boys dealt in bad faith. I hope they kick the hell out of them to be honest.
On a happier note (I know, I'm overdoing it and I apologize), what songs would you all like to see on the Queen tribute? I think that James is a great choice for this one. His technique will make him a natural. I'd love to hear him do Love of My Life or Prophet's Song. Is this tribute already carved in stone from a legal standpoint. I don't need to hear about another tribute that I can't purchase in Canada! ;)
Cheers,
Rick Toronto
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