YTSEJAM Digest 1767
Today's Topics:
1) Judas Prist tribute
by sw0101@aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de (Steffen Barabasch)
2) Rush Tribute Working Man
by Marcel Coenen <mcoenen@cobweb.nl>
3) various
by btomko@glasscity.net
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1766
by brian.kirk@USVGI.mail.abb.com
5) WTB: Working Man Tribute
by Simon Asselin <raika@megatoon.com>
6) got this off another list
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
7) Workingman pulled
by Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net>
8) Dickinson interview
by Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net>
9) The Rush Tribute, Atlantic Records, Rush's Management, Test For Echo
by Mike Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu>
10) Leviathan.... ick
by "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com>
11) Mastermind... ick
by "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com>
12) my DT page; DT bookcovers
by "Susan Ostroske" <spatz13@msn.com>
13) Re: Tim Lodge
by Younis Youssef Hilal <yhilal@uclink.berkeley.edu>
14) New Ytsejam Tshirts...
by Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
15) Someone needs to fix the spooler!
by Mark Bagley <mbagley@ix.netcom.com>
16) Anti-Rush sentiment. (Test For Echo is weak too!)
by "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com>
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 22:12:33 +0200 (MESZ)
From: sw0101@aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de (Steffen Barabasch)
To: ytsejam@ax.com (Ytsejam - the Dream Theater mailing list)
Subject: Judas Prist tribute
Message-ID: <9608202012.AA69908@aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de>
Hello!
I listened to it some time ago, because I wanted to check if James appears on
it. He doesn't. Everyone talks about James singing on the Priest Tribute, but
I get the feeling I heard the wrong one or something.
Devin Townsend is on it, BTW ;-)))
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Steffen Barabasch <sw0101@aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de>
THE MIRROR
New German Dream Theater Fanzine
Info: TheMirror@westend.com
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 22:16:44 +0200
From: Marcel Coenen <mcoenen@cobweb.nl>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Rush Tribute Working Man
Message-ID: <199608202016.WAA30131@spider01.cobweb.nl>
Hi, My name is Marcel Coenen, I play the guitarparts on the song Freewill on
the Rush Tribute "Working Man".
I'm just curious about what people think of the parts we played (our singer
sings also on the song Freewill) and I just want to say that we are bringing
out ouw own album out at the 2nd of september in Europe and a week later in
the U.S.
The bandname we play in is called "LEMUR VOICE", before it was called AURA
but we had to change it because of the fact that there were some bands
called this way. The CD-title is called "Insights".
The style is a bit between Dream Theater/Rush/Queensrijche and Lemur Voice,
so people who are interested they just can go check it out.
I hope some people will give us comments about the song Freewill, I really
like the whole CD Working Man and I think Rusjh has to be glad that there
are musicians who really like their music and just want to give them a
tribute, just for them, so, if people want to write me about it here's my
personal E-mail address: mcoenen@cobweb.nl.
Take care you DT-fans and check out our album coming out !!
Marcel Coenen, guitarist Lemur Voice
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 16:37:55 -0400
From: btomko@glasscity.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: various
Message-ID: <B0000355917@home.glasscity.net>
I was perusing the collection of a local cd store the other day and
I spotted two awesome finds: Dali's Car "The Waking Hour" (which is usually
available only as an import) and Echolyn "As the World" (they wanted only
$2.99!!!). I'd never heard Echolyn (how do you pronounce it?), but I was
hooked as soon as I heard the intro. They rock...
Do we know for sure that Rush was the one fighting the tribute and
not their management? (I'm a bit out of touch...)
Uhh...I think that's it...like the new .sig?
Mark Tomko
spector@dreamt.org
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 16:31:14 -0400
From: brian.kirk@USVGI.mail.abb.com
To: " - (052)ytsejam(a)ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1766
Message-ID: <0010200003408945000002*@MHS>
>Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 19:20:18 GMT
>From: rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
>To: ytsejam@ax.com
>Subject: Working Man, TFE as the first single, The Rush beast ravages the
little
>guy (long), Queen tribute Message-ID: <3219ee5c.724680@mail.inforamp.net>
>
>Good afternoon Jammers!
[snip]
[bigger snip]
[snip again]
[slice]
[dice]
[huge snip]
[smaller snip]
[crunch]
[nibble]
[munch]
>Cheers,
>
>Rick
>Toronto
Yeah, but let's see you say it in one breath. ;)'
"Briiiaaaaan!!" "Kiiirrrrrrk!!"
- Joe, Wings - Khan, Wrath of Khan
brian.kirk@usvgi.mail.abb.com
Write me. If you dare!
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 16:58:25 -0400
From: Simon Asselin <raika@megatoon.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: WTB: Working Man Tribute
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19960820163357.241f4e0e@dagon.megatoon.com>
In light of a recent post by a Ytsejammer stating that the Working
Man Tribute _wasn't_ pulled from shelves in the USA, and since I am in
Canada myself and the disc is stopped there, I would be interested in buying
a new and still wrapped copy some american person could buy me at a store in
the USA.
I will pay shipping and handling plus the price of the CD, no problem.
Please help out a fellow and screwed Ytsejammer!
Simon Asselin
raika@megatoon.com
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 16:59:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: got this off another list
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.960820165836.23845A-100000@choplifter.rs.itd.umich.edu>
dunno about accuracy, but the original source is supposedly the Atlantic
Home page...
partha
> "Tori Amos, whose "Dew Drop Inn" North American tour continues through
> September 28, will be featured in an in-depth profile on ABC
> TV's"Primetime Live" on August 21st. Reporter Nancy Collins and the
> Primetime crew have followed Tori closely througout her current tour.
> Don't miss what promises to be a fascinating glimpse of Tori.
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 16:05:01 -0600
From: Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Workingman pulled
Message-ID: <321A368D.7CD1@mo.net>
>A complete falsehood.
<snip>
Ahhhhhhhhhh. maybe those of us without it can rest a bit more easily
now. Of course, that would make the collector value not be quite as
high, had it really been pulled worldwide, but heck, i want it for the
music, not for the investment.
Dale R. Newberry
"Who's more foolish, the fool, or the fool who follows him."
-Obi-Wan Kenobi
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 16:15:01 -0600
From: Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Dickinson interview
Message-ID: <321A38E5.22EC@mo.net>
Some of you may or may not be interested, but the recent issue of HM
(Heaven's Metal) Magazine featured an interview with Bruce Dickinson.
It was a pretty good, though typical-type interview (i.e. no real
surprises as far as any comments that were made goes). If you want, I
could e-mail it to you or something. Let me know.
Dale R. Newberry
"You never miss it 'til it's gone away." -Maiden "Wasted Years"
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 17:56:21 -0700
From: Mike Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: The Rush Tribute, Atlantic Records, Rush's Management, Test For Echo
Message-ID: <321A5EB5.3E5@umbc.edu>
Hello Ytsefans,
The Tribute
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I tried to find it today at my local Record and Tape Traders (they stock
a lot of rare and import disks as well as the major label stuff). The
clerk told me that they still haven't gotten any in, though about 10
people have asked for it at that local store. He said that they are
going to be getting some in since the demand is there. I don't believe
that Magna Carta is pulling disks, Rush's management is probably using
their ties at Atlantic/Anthem to make it difficult for Magna Carta to get
distribution for their disks. Slipping some bribes or incentives to
certain key individuals, stuff like that. That is probably why we are
hearing that the album has been pulled.
Atlantic Records
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They are truly becoming a force of evil in the universe. After dropping
Kings X, and helping Rush in their crusade against Magna Carta what else
will they do, who knows?
Rush and Their Management
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I have to agree with Rick (Toronto's most vocal rep.) that this whole
thing is very silly and immature on the part of Rush. They are all
multi-millionares, so some musicians want to pay tribute to them, what is
the worst that could happen? Fans of the musicians on the tribute buy
the album, then they gain exposure to Rush's composition. Then people
buy more Rush albums from the back catalog. The Horror! People may
purchase more albums because of this.
Test For Echo
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Ever since Roll the Bones came out, I have been getting very tired of
what Rush considers "quality" music. They are free to make whatever
music they want to make, but the question is, is it really what they want
to do? Or are they too afraid of being termed as dinosaurs like Yes,
ELP, Genesis, and King Crimson. They should take a lesson from King
Crimson and embrace the label like an old friend returned from afar.
"I'm a dinosaur!" and I really don't give a damn, I will make my music
and the fans will buy it if they think it is worthy. Counterparts has
Neil's worst lyrics (I enjoy his Power Windows, Grace Under Pressure,
and Presto lyrics the best), and the guitar is back in the forefront, but
Alex really isn't doing anything creative with it. I hope Test for Echo
moves in some new direction, or at least in some direction that they
haven't explored for a while. Well, that is my want list.
Comments
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There are lots of small bands playing their heart out, trying to create
music and make a living doing it. Labels like Magna Carta, and other
small labels attempt to get the music distributed to people who want to
listen. Rush, the band who once wrote, "One likes to believe in the
freedom of music" is trying to destroy a label that gives new bands a
chance. That is truly the act of a washed-up band, someone ought to do a
tribute album. <grin>
------------------------------------------------------------------------Michael Backof mbacko1@umbc.edu http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1
WWW Pages - Unsigned Bands: http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/munsign.html
WWW Pages - Inferno Page: http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/inferno.html
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 17:38:09 +0000
From: "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Leviathan.... ick
Message-ID: <199608202237.RAA09820@enteract.com>
> I've got a band which is right up there in talent with Dream
> Theater, have great guitar work, drumming is excellent (although not
> quite up to par with Mike Portnoy, but then again, who is?), and play
> with lots of odd times, difficult phrases.
> The band is LEVIATHAN. The only release I have of them is
> "Deepest Secrets Beneath". It is truly excellent and a must-buy for all
> DT fans. They play phrases like 6/8, 10/8, 6/8, 6/8, 5/4, etc. Very
> original. In fact, in their thanks section, they have in bold, special
> thanks to Dream Theater, probably for inspiring their music. CHECK IT
> OUT, ALL!
>
> Jon
BUYER BEWARE:
I warn you to listen to Leviathan first. I've had this album for
over a year, and I never once put it at that level. The guitars are
a bit on the sloppy and uncreative side, and I personally think that
this singer is pretty horrible (I judge it by the fact that I
consider myself a poor-mediocre singer, and I think I am far beyond
this guy)... he sounds like he's totally scared or nervous, and
young. If they are still together I certainly hope that this dude
has progressed.
Thank you a MILLION for James Murphy's e mail address.... whoever
posted it. I hope it's the real guy, and not some scamming AOL dork.
Chris Ptacek (312) 248-8511
EnterAct, L.L.C. Check www.cnet.com
someone@enteract.com for *YOUR* ISP Ratings!
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 17:49:10 +0000
From: "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com, ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mastermind... ick
Message-ID: <199608202249.RAA11125@enteract.com>
In line with my last e mail, I'd like to say that I bought Mastermind
III while on vacation this weekend, and I find it to be absolutely
3rd rate in every aspect. I put Leviathan at 2nd rate and bands like
DT and FW at the top. Just beware... listen before you buy... and
don't believe the salesman if he tells you that the album can't be
gotten for less than $30 (which I heard at one store before buying
mine for $15).
Chris Ptacek (312) 248-8511
EnterAct, L.L.C. Check www.cnet.com
someone@enteract.com for *YOUR* ISP Ratings!
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 96 22:55:57 UT
From: "Susan Ostroske" <spatz13@msn.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: my DT page; DT bookcovers
Message-ID: <UPMAIL08.199608202257570276@msn.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 19:57:41 -0400
From: Dave Hatlee <buster@ee.net>
Subject: Suz's new page, DT pages in general
>Hats off to Susan Ostroske for her new DT Page at
Thanks to EVERYONE who has complimentd me on the page! (Maybe I'll get lucky
and hear from THE GUYS? :P) If anyone has suggestions -- mail 'em!!!
Sorry, though, no sound right now (I hve a mute computer ::snffle::)
>With the kind of publicity and promotion that we the fans give them, DT will
be >around a long time!
Well they HAVE to be!!! I'm gonna open for them someday, darnit!! Heck,
maybe I'll get REALLY good and play WITH them!! :P
Suz
Spatz13@msn.com
www.geocities.com/3781/dt.html
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 15:28:29 -0700
From: "Larry Odneal" <ytsejammer@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Suz's Page
>But (you knew there had to be a but, didn't you) - you are telling people to
>subscribe using the old _arastar.com_ address. Not gonna work! You might
>wanna fix this ASAP. Everything else on your DT page is awesome, though!
Hmmm...when did this address go byebye? *I* subscribed that way
(ytsejam-request@arastar.com) like, not much more than a month ago... It'll
get fixed...
>BTW, a minor typo in your original message might throw some people - it's
>geocities, not geocitis. Geez, aren't I the picky sumbitch today!
Thanks for correcting that!!
Suz
Spatz13@msn.com
www.geocities.com/3781/dt.html
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 19:34:36 -0400
From: kurt@fgallery.com
Subject: Dt promotion in school
>Ok..so I began my senior year in HIgh school today.. and all my
>notebooks are promoting my Fave band..Dream Theater.. (i took some bmps'
Get get 'em, Tiger!!! :)
Suz
Spatz13@msn.com
www.geocities.com/3781/dt.html
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 17:13:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: Younis Youssef Hilal <yhilal@uclink.berkeley.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Tim Lodge
Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.93.960820170608.7571A-100000@uclink.berkeley.edu>
On Mon, 19 Aug 1996 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 19:24:11 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Mike <syrinx@dreamt.org>
> Speaking of not hearing anything, has Tim Lodge finally decided
> to send my InstruMENTAL II and III cd's, or do you think he's pulling an
> Al Balkowicks? I just don't know@!
I think you should cut Tim a little more slack. I've had several dealings
with him on various CDs and a videotape. For a college student, he's
unusually prompt. There was a bit of a delay in me getting my videotape,
but a few e-mails between me and him back and forth (yes, he DOES answer
his e-mails!!!) resolved it fairly quickly, and I can still call myself a
satisfied customer. Anyway, if you want to find out what Tim's up to, you
should send a message to HIM, not the Jam.
That's all I wanted to say. I just wanted to quash this speculation as
soon as I could, because as far as I can tell, Tim has a really good rep
on the Jam and the comparison to Al made me a bit uneasy.
Younis Hilal
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 19:58:13 -0500 (CDT)
From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: New Ytsejam Tshirts...
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.960820195330.1956A-100000@indy27.gclab.missouri.edu>
Ok people, I'm just about to start production on the new Ytsejam shirts,
due for release in mid October. The front is a color graphic, the back
is blue with the DT logo, Majesty symbol, and lettering. For the time
being, I'm not going to waste Jam space with this, but pretty soon, you
can expect an annoying weekly reminder to be coming from me. :)
Check out the design and info at:
http://www.phlab.missouri.edu/~c675311/ytsejam/
And most inportantly, email me or post to let me and everyone know what
you think of them, I need feedback for this project to be a success.
h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 /
| Pat Griffin Reality2 Design |
| c675311@showme.missouri.edu c675311@cclabs.missouri.edu |
h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 /
Go back and read the post you just skipped... it's important...
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 18:51:57 -0700
From: Mark Bagley <mbagley@ix.netcom.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Someone needs to fix the spooler!
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19960821015157.002b8664@popd.ix.netcom.com>
You know, whoever maintains this list (if you're reading) should really
think about fixing the listproc. I've unsubscribed three times (yes, to the
appropriate) address, and it still mails me the Jam. FIX IT! PLEASE!
_______________________________________________________________________________
"There's no time to run away - a prophecy will make it's stay" - C.DeGarmo
"The song just wouldn't be the same if it said "at the one-lane bridge the
giant toasted me so I went back to the farm and told my uncle that the car
sucks." - Susan Fleming
*mbagley@ix.netcom.com - Mark Bagley*
"Free beer and all the sausage you can eat!"-Bob & Doug McKenzie, Strange Brew
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 20:58:14 +0000
From: "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Anti-Rush sentiment. (Test For Echo is weak too!)
Message-ID: <199608210158.UAA22262@enteract.com>
> There seems to be a lot of people out there that are upset about the
> problems that the CD, "Working Man", is having. Some have even gone so
> far as to call Rush "Childish" for opposing its release.
I am one of those.
> Sure it sucks that a great CD is not being universally supported, but
> guys - think before you speak!
I do, usually... there are some exceptions.... this not being one of
them.
> Imagine that you are a world-famous Prog-rock Group in the twilight stages
> of a glorious career and you find that some people are looking to make a
> profit off of YOUR music.
Which one of those musicians do you think is going to make a big
profit off of ANYTHING Mike Varney has his greedy little paws in?
Which one of those musicians do you think needs the money?
> Maybe Magna Carta's upset because Rush apparently changed their tune
> half-way through the process. Still, if you're a responsible Magna Carta
> executive, you MAKE DAMN WELL SURE that your investment isn't going to go
> down as an embarrassing loss. RUSH has the final say in where their
> music is and isn't sold and they have EVERY RIGHT to withhold this CD.
> Isn't that the way it should be?
No. It's not a RUSH cd. It's their music, but the purpose is to
show some creative variations of RUSH music... not to get a replica
of the original. Now, if you said that Rush wanted to pull it
because Mark Slaughter sings on it, then I would say more power to
you. (J/K, although I can't listen to that song and frequently use
it to punish my gf )
> "Yeah, but Rush is being greedy and childish by not allowing this to happen."
>
> But aren't you yourself being greedy when you cry that "Working Man" isn't
> as widespread as YOU'D like it to be?
How so? Because I want to spend my hard earned money on a cd, and
want it to be available for all who would do the same? I have a
copy, and I have had it since it came out. I'm opposed to the
discontinuation of this album because I think everyone should be able
to hear this stuff. That's the reason it was recorded.... not so
that the three of us who bought the album could spend eternity
dubbing it for the masses. (exaggeration. Don't argue that point,
please)
> People, they're Rush and they can do what they damn well please and it
> shouldn't really matter to us WHAT their motives are. If they don't like
> the COVER ART, that's reason enough for them to pull it. (Somehow I think
> it's more than that. ;) They made the music - they should control the
> flow of it, not some fledgling Prog-label.
If they agreed to it in the beginning, they should not be able to
stop it. Hell... if it's legal in any way for these guys to have
done the album without Rush giving it the thumbs up, then this album
has a right to be heard.
> I admire Magna Carta's idea. They put together a heck of an album, but
> before all of that, they should have been ROCK SOLID in the legal
> department and they obviously goofed here and hopefully it won't cost
> them too much. It's a hell of a label they've got going.
They won't go under. It's partially owned by Mike Varney... Owner of
Shrapnel records. He is a sponge.
> So don't get down on Rush. Admire them that they have the courage to
> fight for what they believe in, even if it happens to disagree with your
> greedy little tastes... ;)
Again, how is it greedy of us? And why should I admire someone who
wants to stiffle in *any* way the flow of good music?
> With all of that said and done, I'm content to watch the market-value of
> my personal copy of Working Man skyrocket in value. Heeheeheeheehee!!!!!
Is that it? Do you just want this album to be worth a bundle? Well
folks, I just bought two copies of the album for jammers. If anyone
else on the jam can't find it, let me know FAST. I still know where
I can find at least two more copies.
Note, Teethster, I'm not flaming you at all. I will publicly
apologize and re-word myself if you think this came off arrogant or
angry. I just disagree very much with your statement.
While in Hollywood this weekend I got a new Buckethead album which is
not really released widely. It's called Giant Robot, but it's not
the Japanese album he did by that name. If you can find this album,
MAN, MY GOD, Wow! Buy it. The chicken boy can play.
Chris Ptacek (312) 248-8511
EnterAct, L.L.C. Check www.cnet.com
someone@enteract.com for *YOUR* ISP Ratings!
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