YTSEJAM Digest 1780
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Happy birthday to me!
by Lisa Marie Peterson <peterson@fore.com>
2) Rush on MC's DT-trib>:)
by Mark Bredius <bredius@[143.178.250.3]>
3) Can U say "ItchyJam" ?
by Mark Bredius <bredius@[143.178.250.3]>
4) Hi all. A few things
by Michael Bahr <durnik@indirect.com>
5) Re: To those who are pissed at Rush for opposing the tribute
by Lisa Marie Peterson <peterson@fore.com>
6) Whole bunches o stuff
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
7) A quick Rush aside....
by Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
8) Just babbling...
by BLevy@aol.com
9) the hotel across the street, and assorteds
by WildKoba@aol.com
10) Re: DT NEW SONGS
by vestal@usa.net (DUSTY VESTAL)
11) length doesn't count!
by John McCabe <caber1@cris.com>
12) Pronounciation and Video
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
13) Re: length doesn't count!
by Kain <kain@caribe.net>
14) People's Pub
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 13:24:17 -0700
From: Lisa Marie Peterson <peterson@fore.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Happy birthday to me!
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960828202417.006a15f4@irvin>
At 11:16 AM 8/28/96 -0700, you wrote:
>I was surprised to see that after all this time, my CD number was only
>235. This is a real shame that not many people have bought this yet.
Okay, Jim or somebody please enlighten me! I just joined this list
yesterday, so I don't know what CD you are talking about. You see, I live in
a cave and just recently gained access to the net. (Which reminds me, I've
got to get back to work!)
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 22:37:50 +-200
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@[143.178.250.3]>
To: "'EyeLuvDraemThaetRE :)'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Rush on MC's DT-trib>:)
Message-ID: <01BB9532.C29D1B00@BElanna.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>
I just read this in a transcription of Billboard's article about the
upcoming release of Rush' "Test For Echo" (July 27th '96) I found on
http://www.syrinx.umd.edu/ (I think) :
> Rush plans to tour behind Test For Echo starting Oct. 18 in Albany,
> N.Y., and will swing through various points in North America until
> early next year, according to Lifeson. The band will return in the
> spring of 1997, hitting amphitheaters and sheds.
>
> During that break, Rush will mix its fourth live album, which will
> feature material recorded on the Counterparts and Test For Echo tours,
> as well as previously unreleased tracks from a late-'70s date at
> London's Hammersmith Odeon, according to Lifeson.
Cool ! Another live-album :)
Btw, check out Neil Peart's official guidebook and user's manual
for "Test For Echo"... :) Also on that site...
ODTC:
Maybe Rush could cover "The Ytsejam" on a Dream Theater tribute, to be
released by Magna Carta :) Sounds cool to me ! I'm *evil* >:)
Itchy, who puts his message in a modem and throws it in the Cyber Sea
_______________________________________________________itchy@dreamt.org__
All of us get lost in the darkness _ _____ ___ _ _ _ _
Dreamers learn to steer by the stars (`)(_```_)/``_)(`)_(`)(`)_(`)
All of us do time in the gutter RUSH | | ) ( ( (_ | _ | \_ /
Dreamers turn to look at the cars THE PASS (_) (_) \___)(_) (_) (__/
____________________________________________________bredius@globalxs.nl__
"HALLO-O-O-O-O! Test... for... echo... Is there anybody out there?"
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 22:38:12 +-200
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@[143.178.250.3]>
To: "'EyeLuvDraemThaetRE :)'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Can U say "ItchyJam" ?
Message-ID: <01BB9532.C99F8A00@BElanna.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>
Chris Oates said on Jam #1776 :
> Since Majesty is pronounced: Maa jeh stee, I think that a proper
> phonetic reversal should be pronounced: Eet seh jam, which is the way
> I pronounce it (though I often slur it into Eet See Jam or sometimes
> Itsy-Jam, as in The Itsy Jammy Spider)
~~~~~~~~
Close :)
It's actually ItchyJam !
That's y eye picked that nick :)
(*that*, and the fact that I'm a Simpsons-Freak)
Itchy !
_______________________________________________________itchy@dreamt.org__
All of us get lost in the darkness _ _____ ___ _ _ _ _
Dreamers learn to steer by the stars (`)(_```_)/``_)(`)_(`)(`)_(`)
All of us do time in the gutter RUSH | | ) ( ( (_ | _ | \_ /
Dreamers turn to look at the cars THE PASS (_) (_) \___)(_) (_) (__/
____________________________________________________bredius@globalxs.nl__
"INDIVIDUALLY, WE ARE A ASS; BUT TOGETHER, WE ARE A GENIUS" (Rush '96)
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 13:55:20 -0700 (MST)
From: Michael Bahr <durnik@indirect.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Hi all. A few things
Message-ID: <199608282055.NAA24447@bud.indirect.com>
Again, the long post is forthcoming.
I have a new e-mail address: durnik@goodnet.com. I didn't want
it, I still don't want it, but I'm stuck with it. My old ISP,
indirect.com, was bought out by local competitor Goodnet. I'm trying to
set up a virtual mail reflector so I can still get indirect.com mail for
a while, but please save me the trouble if you can and mail me directly
at the new address durnik@goodnet.com.
Other things. I guess they didn't have room for Metropolis II on
the new album... heh. Yeah Right. It'll be a special release of some
sort, we can count on it.
Type O Negative: October Rust... yup, they've sold out.
Strangely, it doesn't bother me, nor do I fail to enjoy this album
because of it. It's basically a continuation of Bloody Kisses, adding in
the elements they began on the road last year. I've been listening to
this more than Test for Echo! Way!! :) For once, a blatant sellout album
is actually carefully written and decently played. No Diver Down here...
Rush TFE.... Driven and Dog Years aside, this album would be
Counterparts II in both content and quality. Those two are
masterpieces... no kidding. And please don't ask me for dubs. Wait the
damned week and a half and buy the real thing. :)
That's mainly it for now. I have a ton of mail that I have to
save from certain death, so I'll get back to that.
- Mike Bahr - durnik@goodnet.com - NOTE THE EMAIL CHANGE
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 14:05:39 -0700
From: Lisa Marie Peterson <peterson@fore.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: To those who are pissed at Rush for opposing the tribute
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960828210539.006819a4@irvin>
At 10:24 AM 8/28/96 -0700, you wrote:
>I know this is committing ytse-suicide, but I've loved Kiss since 1976 and
I probably always will.
Hey! My husband is a Kiss fan from way back too! ;-) They even came to our
town, the ticket prices kept us from going. (Not out of protest, just empty
pockets)
As far as buying the Rush CD, I'm counting the minutes until I can! I
think the Magna Carta sales can speak for itself.
Lisa Marie Peterson
peterson@fore.com
"I don't suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it."
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 18:16:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Whole bunches o stuff
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9608281802.A27455-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: Graham Borland <graham@grelb.src.gla.ac.uk>
> Subject: FAQ
>
> In order for a question to become a Frequently Asked Question, doesn't
> it have to be . . . umm . . . Frequently Asked? :-)
Usually, yeah. :)
> I've been on the Jam for 2 years and I don't think I've ever seen anyone
> ask "What was the original title of Surrounded?", "Has anybody noticed
> the Another Song phenomenon?" or "What is unique about the song 'A Change
> Of Seasons'?"! :-)
I've only been on for about a year now, but when I took over the faq it
looked almost exactly the way it did right after ACoS came out. So, I
guess those questions were frquently asked at one point.
Also, the faq is the only place I've seen a lot of the trivia that's in
there. Maybe they're not faq's, but I think that the list as it is now
is a good repository for information (frequently asked or not :).
> I think the *true* FAQs are things like "Can anybody give me some DT tour
> dates?", "Where the hell is Bafu Vai?", and "Will Al Balkiewicz ever send
> me those tapes he has owed me for OVER 18 MONTHS now?"
No, Maryland, and No. :) Wow, I guess I *am* good at this. :)
> Just teasing ;-)
Like I'd take you seriously anyway. :)
----> From: "Matthew A. Schnoor" <schnoor@cs.pdx.edu> > Subject: RUSH Audio Tracks > > I don't know who did the sampling... I was given these files by DblAgnt > on IRC. Yes, TFE02.AU is corrupt... I will be replacing it with a fixed > version very soon now.
My tfe.au is ok, if anyone needs.
> In fact, by the time this message gets to everyone, I will have three new > songs up there as well... "Carve Away the Stone" and "Dog Years" and > "Resist". Extra-special thanks to Chris Merlo for his kind donations. :)
You're very welcome. :) BTW, I also have a .mov file of an advertisement that ran on MTV. You can find all this happy stuff at ftp://132.198.250.43/pub/rush. But hopefully BoLo here will get these files soon, because his site is faster than mine.
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> From: Rajkai Piter <intcred@ibm.net> > Subject: Resubscribe > > Hi! > I would like to resubscribe. > My initial password was 838025231.
838025231? That's the kind of password an idiot puts on his luggage!
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> From: Kent Willshire <cygnus.x-1@worldnet.att.net> > Subject: To those who are pissed at Rush for opposing the tribute album:
[big-ass snip] If I had the will-power to resist buying TfE as soon as it comes out, I would join the protest. Here's why:
It's the only way to get our message across to the band. They *obviously* don't read what we have to say on the "inter-thingy", even assuming Jimmy Lang would let it all go through. Neil doesn't read his Modern Drummer mail anymore. There is, as far as I see, only one other way to send a message to Ged, Alex (happy birthday yesterday!) and Neil that we are pissed that they wasted a lot of people's time and money by going back on their word.
They rely on their fans for their success. Radio helps somewhat, MTV virtually ignores them. It's up to us. And they fucked about 20 or so of us, their fans - the ones that spent their summer paying homage to them. I don't appreciate that.
That's my $0.02 + s/h on that one.
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> From: kristopher long <long16@matrix.newpaltz.edu> > Subject: salutations > > Howdy y'all. I'm, like, back at school and stuff so I'm back on the jam, as > if anyone knew I ever was on it. Anyway, when the hell is the new cd > supposed to come out? Does anyone know if the guys cut their hair like my > other favorite bands seem to be doing (King's X, Metallica)? I guess that
Didn't you hear? John P and Mike cut each other's hair at the Ethyl Mertz gig!!
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> From: ITP elevkonto <itp51@und.ida.liu.se> > Subject: Re:JP video > > For those of you who like discussing pronounciation matters, give my > last name a try:)
hmm... maah-juh-stee?
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 15:52:02 -0700 From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: A quick Rush aside.... Message-ID: <199608282252.PAA14850@main.cfmc.com>
>From: skooc@earthlink.net > >Rush sold out in 1979. That doesn't mean that they haven't made good music >since then, >it just means they made their music more commercially accessible. Listen to >Hemispheres and then listen to anything Rush put out in the 80's and then >say that they didn't go commercial.
They didn't go commercial.
Adam D. Barnhart adamb@cfmc.com ydnt85a@prodigy.com
Five Gratuitous CD's: ===================== 1. Rush: Hold Your Fire 2. Cairo: Cairo 3. Alice In Chains: Unplugged 4. Bad Religion: Stranger Than Fiction 5. Shadow Gallery: Carved In Stone
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 19:05:12 -0400 From: BLevy@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Just babbling... Message-ID: <960828190511_511899697@emout09.mail.aol.com>
Hey Jammers,
A few reply-like thingies, then a comment or two...
In a message dated 96-08-28 16:35:41 EDT, Graham wrote:
<< I've ever seen anyone ask "What was the original title of Surrounded?", "Has anybody noticed the Another Song phenomenon?" or "What is unique about the song 'A Change Of Seasons'?"! :-) >>
As to the Surrounded Question, and the ACoS question, I do not know, however, I vividly recall a discussion a little over a year and a half ago regarding the "another" song issue.
then...
BABS Wrote: <<So the only danger I see at this point is traffic...
Hey Babs, How ya doin.... In NYC, Traffic is NOTHING to take lightly!!! ;)
Now, an original or two...
Regarding Some of the RUSH Tribute comments: 1: YES, almost NOTHING we have heard has been substantiated. 2: Yes, if true (Legal action), this sucks. 3: Either way, all the music should be heard, and enjoyed by all. 4: Rush should be made aware that their is strong support for the tribute, and conversely, strong backlash against any action they may take. THAT'S IT, NO MORE TO SAY.
(except, on a related note...)
RUSH IS NOT A SELL OUT. They MAY currently have a tude problem (not substantiated, but...). They MAY have pissed off a lot of their original fans who were unable to make the transition into the 80's and 90's styles. But they still, and ALWAYS have made great music. In case I've missed something, THAT is what counts!! I really like their WORST album!! SO those that have a problem with Rush, Try Selling all of your RUSH CD's (in fact, why not organize a burning!!). Otherwise, please quit slamming a band that A LOT of us still respect and support. IF (and this is a HUMONGOUS IF) Magna Carta is in any way seriously injured by this, that will be a shame. However, the attention this label is getting out of this may end up being more beneficial to them than detrimental.
I am here for the music, Let the Lawyers do their thing...
Anyone want to talk about Metallica???? ;)
L8R, Brian
In CD player---Neil Young--Mirror Ball
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 19:17:59 -0400 From: WildKoba@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: the hotel across the street, and assorteds Message-ID: <960828191750_396321632@emout08.mail.aol.com>
to the attendees of the ytsecon-to-be:
the "hotel across the street", as it was mentioned here, ain't no ordinary street! it's the GRAND CENTRAL FUCKING PARKWAY! so you probably have to take a little shuttle bus or something like that.
um, looking at the program list of the dt album of the future (11 minutes, 8, 9, 6, 5 years, 3 weeks, 2 days and 7 hours), i can see they're really going out of their way to make the album more commercial (or if speak politicially correct, "radio-friendly"). maybe when this comes out, a new fashion trend will start, and people will rush to tower records to get their copies of the "new" "heart of the sunrise" cd maxi single. maybe soundgarden will cover "karn evil 9" while we're at it, or oasis "firth of fifth."
mutha fuckers.
peace. ***************************************************************** david kobayashi the wild and magical koba
"i'm using the chicken to measure it." -some freak on "uncle meat".
"for 20 long years, i could not read music. but now, thanks to 'hooked on funk'...."- dean, screaming headless torsos. *****************************************************************
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 17:34:36 -0600 (MDT) From: vestal@usa.net (DUSTY VESTAL) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: DT NEW SONGS Message-ID: <199608282334.RAA25265@mail.usa.net>
so >far: > >Raise the Knife (11:15) >Where are you Now (7:15) >Take Away my Pain (6:35) >You or Me (5:55) >Anna Lee (6:35) >Burning my Soul (9:00) >The Way it Used to Be (8:00) >Lines in the Sand (5:15) >Just Let me Breathe (5:15)
Where is Metropolis pt2??? or did they scrap that idea??? Take Care....Dusty
|__________________________________________________________| |"Likely or not, it's a dream that we keep and at odds with| | our senses we'll climb. But if faith is the answer, we've| | already reached it, and if spirit's a sign, then it's | | only a matter of time" ---- DREAM THEATER | | | | ( : | |__________________________________________________________|
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 19:42:01 -0400 (EDT) From: John McCabe <caber1@cris.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: length doesn't count! Message-ID: <199608282342.TAA06504@beasley.cris.com>
Someone worte: >August 26, 1996: >New Songs for the Album! >Here is the updated song list directly from Mike. The studio start date is getting very close, as well as the choice for producer. Here are the songs so >far: >Raise the Knife (11:15) >Where are you Now (7:15) >Take Away my Pain (6:35) >You or Me (5:55) >Anna Lee (6:35) >Burning my Soul (9:00) >The Way it Used to Be (8:00) >Lines in the Sand (5:15) >Just Let me Breathe (5:15) When I added the length of the songs up I only got 55:05. While maybe I made I mistake in my math...But I don't think I could be off by 45 minutes. JP said that they had about 100 minutes worth of material! So, I doubt that this is the true length of the songs. Also, since they haven't even started recording these tracks they can't possibly be correct. Could someone correct me if I'm just shootting my mouth off. And I also have I question about Metropolis Part 2. Why does everyone when they list the tracks call it by its "second" name. It would be like calling Metropolis, The Miracle and The Sleeper. Could someone tell me which track is part 2? John
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 19:11:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Pronounciation and Video Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.960828185158.22444B-100000@enteract.com>
Ummm is it.... engs-hummer? angs-hammer?
Anyway, if you are a guitarist, and don't have all the other videos out there, I would say do not hesitate to get Petrucci's vid. It's _Two Hours_ long... so you can consider it buying 2 videos, for $25 each. I of course found a way to get mine for $40. Don't ever let the guys at Guitar Center say "that's the lowest I can go"... because they lie. That's why I had to quit... I don't like lying. Even when they show you a "Cost screen" when you insist on it... that's not cost. It's 10% above cost.
Bat back to JP... his video is excellent all around, but there were very few things I haven't seen before as far as techniques are concerned. Metronome licks, scales, modes, chords, arpeggios, warm ups, and exercises... you're basic all encompassing video. It would have saved me a lot of money 4 years ago... but now it's just sort of cool to have. If you are only just getting into fast playing, I suggest getting Richie Kotzen's video. It's from before he went "hip" or "wierd". That has all kinds of great legato licks to practice to build left hand speed. Other than that, all you need is a metronome and the "Paul Gilbert" four note practice lick, and it should fall into place after a good deal of hard work.
-------------------------------------- Christopher Ptacek at Enteract, L.L.C. Technical Support Engineer -------------------------------------------------------------------------- T h o u g l e e k i n g o n i o n e y e d d e a t h t o k e n
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 22:13:28 -0400 From: Kain <kain@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: length doesn't count! Message-ID: <3224FCC8.139@caribe.net>
John McCabe wrote: > > When I added the length of the songs up I only got 55:05. While maybe > I made I mistake in my math...But I don't think I could be off by 45 > minutes. JP said that they had about 100 minutes worth of material!
Yes he said so. They have material to record but many of those songs won't make it in the cd. The ones listed are the "official" ones (in a manner of speaking) that will come in the cd. That's why MP said that he wanted a double cd, so they could record all the material they've written. Hope I'm not wrong and that this cleared any doubt.
Back to Working Man, shit I can't find the damn cd in PR. Spec's told me they wouldn't even order it. And the other ones I went to told me that I had to order it and it would cost me about $20...shit. Anyone know how fast is Apocalypse's delivery or any other cd ordering company that has a good price?
Kain -- /---------------------------------------------------------------------\ | "Best way to love anything, is keeping in mind you might lose it." | | "Spread before me is my soul, I'm learning to live." Dream Theater | | mailto:kain@caribe.net | | Visit the official page of the world's best band, Dream Theater at | | http://www.rsabbs.com/dt | \---------------------------------------------------------------------/
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 22:15:52 -0400 (EDT) From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu> To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: People's Pub Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9608282206.B28755-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
Hey, folks. A friend of mine took some pictures at Derek's party at the People's Pub last Friday, and was kind enough to scan them in and pass them on to me. Right now, you can get them via ftp at 132.198.250.43/pub/dt/peoples. Eventually, I'll probably put them up on the web. Enjoy! -Chris
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html
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