YTSEJAM Digest 1782
Today's Topics:
1) Rush
by "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com>
2) Re: solo cds (fwd)
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
3) Re:New Album Info
by psull@ici.net (Pat Sullivan)
4)
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1780
by Dave Hatlee <buster@ee.net>
6) The YTSECON...
by "Greg \"Big Brother\" Lee" <greg@aix.can.ibm.com>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1780
by Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com>
8) Re: length doesn't count!
by Lisa Marie Peterson <peterson@fore.com>
9) ftp, cd's, and any other acronyms I can think of
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
10) jam post
by Stan <sstys@earthlink.net>
11) Hey, Look everyone, it's Lisa Marie Pres....uhhh, never mind
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
12) years/Permanent Waves
by Taco Belhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
13) pamela lee's husband :-)
by kurt@fgallery.com
14) KX/GC
by Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net>
15) stuff
by kurt@fgallery.com
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:22:03 +0000
From: "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Rush
Message-ID: <199608291522.KAA02263@enteract.com>
> > In order for a question to become a Frequently Asked Question, doesn't
> > it have to be . . . umm . . . Frequently Asked? :-)
Technically, yes, but if all the FAQ has is stuff that we already
know... why bother? Might as well make it interesting. Maybe it
should be a LKF (little known fact) list... ?
> >Listen to
> >Hemispheres and then listen to anything Rush put out in the 80's and then
> >say that they didn't go commercial.
> They didn't go commercial.
That's just denial, man.
You don't have to say they sold out... they had a financially based
artistic crossover... but once they hit, they became a different
band. There's just no way to say that they didn't change when they
money came in. Hey, don't get me wrong... most of my favorite Rush
tunes came AFTER they were huge... but they are human.
I will add that I think the last few Rush albums, ESPECIALLY
Counterparts, have been way sub-par, as far as I'm concerned. Flame
me if you think I'll care what you call sacrilage, but there's no way
you'll change my mind on that. I can't find any redeeming qualities
on Counterparts.
Oh well... Let's hope when Rush grows up they remember how to play
like Rush.
Chris Ptacek (312) 248-8511
EnterAct, L.L.C. Check www.cnet.com
someone@enteract.com for *YOUR* ISP Ratings!
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 11:30:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: solo cds (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960829112837.21013I-100000@bdmserver>
I dont remember when I wrote Marty or how but I just got this from him
and thought a lot of you would be interested:
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 08:25:40 -0700
From: Marty Friedman <ninja@bazaar.com>
To: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@mcl.bdm.com>
Subject: Re: solo cds
Marty Friedman
Megadeth CyberArmy Wants You!
asylumfan@aol.com
My Friends,
I wish I could answer you each personally but I'm currently in the
midst of recording the demos for the new Megadeth album. First I'd like to
say thank you very much for writing and to be forgiving for this late
response. I've received e-mail from literally everywhere in the world, from
Siberia to Cincinnatti,Turkey to Tokyo,Paris to Peru. I want to thank you
for your insight and opinions, I've learned alot from what you have
written.
` I've also finished a new solo Lp called,"True Obsessions". It is
available right now in Japan on EMI, it will be out in the U.S. late
September. I'm still negotiating with record labels in Europe and South
America about it's release in those territories. The U.S.version contains a
bonus track not on any other version. I found an ancient recording of the
song, "Thunder March" which was cut as a demo in 1987,( a year and a half
before the "Dragon's Kiss" version was cut) and mixed it and put it at the
end of "True Obsessions".
For those of you in foreign countries, it's available right now on
EMI in Thailand, Korea, Malaysia. In Sept. Canada and Mexico will be added.
Alot of you had concern for my friend Jason Becker. He is not doing
as well as we all would like, but is very positive and despite truly
inhuman conditions has created a masterpiece new album called
"Perspective". Let him be an example to us all. I truly believe and pray
that he will get better. You can contact him at PO Box 5109 Richmond,CA
94805
I'll answer some of the most asked questions-
My set up is a Jackson Kelley guitar (now Marty Friedman signature
model(KE-1) that has just now-finally!-gone into production)
Seymour Duncan TB4 pickups
Crate Blue Voodoo 120 Watt amp
Alvarez acoustics and electric-acoustics
Bradshaw switching system, 2 Yamaha SPX 900s Samson Concert series
wireless(live only!)Future Sonics ear monitors. Dean Markley .010-.052
strings, heavy picks. Alvarez acoustics.
I have 3 solo LPs out right now; "Dragon's
Kiss","Scenes","Introduction" and a 4th on the way. There is more guitar on
the 4th one,"True Obsessions" than the last 2 combined. I hope that's a
good thing. I really prepared for this one, more than the others.
I have 4 instructional videos out now:
"Exotic Lead Guitar" (Hot Licks Video)
"Melodic Control" (Inside Edge Video)
"Guitar Kids Ganbatte" (Young Guitar Video) Japan only.
"The Essential Marty Friedman" (Warner Communications) U.S. release
in Sept.- available now in Japan by Rittor Music.
I would say the "Exotic.." video has the most difficult fingerings
and strange patterns, the "Melodic..." has the most useful direction in
creating good unique solos, "Guitar Kids..." has me speaking Japanese and
some interesting long arpeggio fingerings, and "Essential..." has the most
all around information in it and the most actual playing.
The Megadeth tour was great,long and gratifying. It was great
meeting people from the most diverse cultures that had one(at least) thing
in common....
Also alot of you have asked about tab for my solo albums. "Scenes"
tab is available but in Japan only through Doremi. My new album's tab will
also be available, but not until autumn.One song from "True Obsessions" is
transcrined in the May issue of Japan's 'Young Guitar' magazine, and
another in Japan's 'Guitar' and another in Japan's 'Player'.
If you would like to send me your tapes, or any correspondence, you
can write me directly at P.O.box 12971 Scottsdale,AZ 85267-2971.
Thanx again for e-mailing and take care of yourselves! M.F.
P.S. My best advice to those who ask is practice your favorite music
first-so when you eventually have your own style, it will be a unique
combination of your influeces. Also, don't waste time practiing 8-9 hours a
day, get 1-3 hours of truly FOCUSED practice in at a time and leave
yourself time to have experiences and emotions from which you can
eventually draw from and put into your music.
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 11:41:16 -0400
From: psull@ici.net (Pat Sullivan)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re:New Album Info
Message-ID: <199608291547.LAA16750@uhura>
>When I added the length of the songs up I only got 55:05. While maybe
>I made I mistake in my math...But I don't think I could be off by 45
>minutes. JP said that they had about 100 minutes worth of material!
Personally, I got 65:05, but YMMV. :)
I assume that these are only the songs that are going to be included. I'm
sure JP realized when he said they had 100 minutes of material, that only 74
minutes (approx) would actually fit on a CD (again YMMV). There are probably
several other songs (including Metropolis, pt II) that were left off for
space reasons. I'll bet we'll see some of them as B-sides.
>off. And I also have I question about Metropolis Part 2. Why does
>everyone when they list the tracks call it by its "second" name. It
>would be like calling Metropolis, The Miracle and The Sleeper. Could
>someone tell me which track is part 2?
Actually, I don't think it's included on the list. (Of course if it is, and
it's listed under the subtitle, then *I'm* the idiot. :))
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__<psull@ici.net>__http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html___
This space for rent...No pithy quotes need apply
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1985 10:44:21 -0500
From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19850829154421.006ba07c@mail.inlink.com>
>BTW, to Rakjai Piter, about your password, 838025231-- funny, that's the
>password I have on my luggage...!
ooooooo, now you've done it... you'd better keep track of that luggage
buddy... VEERY good track ;)
>Oh, by the way, I have some beachfront property in North Dakota that I'm
>selling... cheap.
can cows graize in sand?
>"Shut up and play yer guitar" - FZ
"Shut up we know you can play!" - Some dude on Alien Love Secrets
>Hmm. OK, back to Plan B - hope that a bunch of Boy Scouts come by to help
>me cross the busy road (Plan A was to look pitiful at the airport in a
>ytsejam t-shirt).
i'm not sure even boy scouts could help you there... dont NYC drivers view
boyscouts as targets? maybe if you used them as human body shields.......
and i remind everyone DONT LET ANYONE I DONT CARE WHO BORROW YOUR ONE OF A
KIND MIKE BAHR CDs. MAKE THEM A DUB OR SOMETHING. i just got my SFAM back
with a crease in the cover... granted it is OK, but it just peeves me a
little.
and on a third note, Queensryche unplugged kicks ass :)
~Rip
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 11:41:20 -0400
From: Dave Hatlee <buster@ee.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1780
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19960829154120.006936b8@ee.net>
>Just Let me Breathe (5:15)
>When I added the length of the songs up I only got 55:05. While maybe
>I made I mistake in my math...But I don't think I could be off by 45
>minutes. JP said that they had about 100 minutes worth of material!
>So, I doubt that this is the true length of the songs. Also, since
Forgive me if I'm outta the loop, or if I am off base here. I think maybe
John meant that they had over 100 minutes of material written to be
considered for the CD, but not all of that would actually make it
onto the CD.
I could be wrong, thats just how I interpreted it at the clinic. We'll
see I guess....
buster
(Dave Hatlee)
http://users1.ee.net/buster "When Dream and Doom Unite"
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:53:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Greg \"Big Brother\" Lee" <greg@aix.can.ibm.com>
To: Dream Theater Fans <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: The YTSECON...
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.960829105107.62579A-100000@hal.toraix.can.ibm.com>
This is probably a FAQ by now, but when is the YsteCon again? I am going
to be in the New York area, Poughkeepsie actually, on training for two
weeks in September...might be able to make it almost free of charge now
which is motivation enough for me to attend...
Carpe Diem!
Greg,
Toronto.
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 09:35:42 -0700
From: Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1780
Message-ID: <199608291633.JAA03782@ichips.intel.com>
Lisa Marie Peterson wrote:
>>I was surprised to see that after all this time, my CD number was only
>>235. This is a real shame that not many people have bought this yet.
>
>Okay, Jim or somebody please enlighten me! I just joined this list
>yesterday, so I don't know what CD you are talking about. You see, I live in
>a cave and just recently gained access to the net. (Which reminds me, I've
>got to get back to work!)
Hi Lisa,
Mike Bahr is one of the biggest celebrities here on the ytsejam.
Oh, he's not very well known outside the list, but he has gained
renowned fame here as the person who has made it a goal in life
to provide all of us jammers with quality CDs featuring rare
studio outtakes, live performances, and other...er...um, legally
challenged material. =)
The Critical Mass CD I spoke of is a 2CD set of a complete live
Rush concert from the Counterparts tour; I hear it's the only
quality bootleg from that tour. Like I said in my original post,
I was blown away by the recording quality and the performances.
A definite must-have for any Rush fan.
If you want more information on all of Mike's CDs (some of which,
alas, have long been sold out), then go to this web site:
http://www.columbia.edu/~jc309/archives/ginfo/mikebahr.html
If you don't have web access, you could mail him at durnik@goodnet.com
and he can send you a copy of his latest update.
Hope you don't mind me speaking for you here, Mike!
Happy 'jamming,
Jim
-- Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com> | If I had a witty remark that MD6 Design Engineer, Intel Corp, Hillsboro OR | would better the lives of my -=(UDIC)=- Subconscious Dragon -=(UDIC)=- | fellow mankind, do you really ** I don't speak for Intel ** | think I would put it HERE?------------------------------
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:24:46 -0700 From: Lisa Marie Peterson <peterson@fore.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: length doesn't count! Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960829172446.00682ba4@irvin>
At 07:17 PM 8/28/96 -0700, you wrote:
>Back to Working Man, shit I can't find the damn cd in PR. Spec's told me >they wouldn't even order it. And the other ones I went to told me that I >had to order it and it would cost me about $20...shit. Anyone know how >fast is Apocalypse's delivery or any other cd ordering company that has >a good price? > >Kain
Kain,
CD NOW (http://cdnow.com) has it listed for $14.79, of course you have to add tax & s/h charges. They say it takes 3 to 8 days for delivery. If you care (and I don't want to start an argument), they also have Test For Echo for $14.96 available for advance order (mine will be shipped FedEx the day of release!)
\\\|/// \\ - - // ( @ @ ) +----------------oOOo-(_)-oOOo-------------------------+ | Lisa Marie Peterson direct 408-467-4626 | | Administrative Asst. fax 408-451-9361 | | CellAccess Division email peterson@fore.com | | FORE SYSTEMS WEST internet http://www.fore.com | +-------------------------Oooo-------------------------+ oooO ( ) ( ) ) /
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 13:25:39 -0400 (EDT) From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu> To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: ftp, cd's, and any other acronyms I can think of Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9608291357.A4119-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: SaVeur <saveur@cais.cais.com> > Subject: Re: People's Pub > > sure. type: ftp://132.198.250.43/pub/dt/peoples in yer browser (lynx > wouldn't work too great unles yer gonna d/l em, i guess). > > too bad this is a crappy server...max 3 anon users?
Hey! I don't see *you* using your PC as an ftp server for the jam! :)
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> From: Scotch <anthem@virginia.edu> > Subject: Why is "abbreviation" such a long word?? > > I remember about a month or so ago, some enterprising soul wrote in > regarding the song abbreviations we're going to have to deal with here. I > remember he said something like the following: > > LITS (undoubtedly will result in mixups with Live In Tokyo, "LIT")
How about Lost in the Sky?
> WAYN (related to GART??) > BMS (uh oh, it's that time of the month again) > AL (as in You Can Call Me...) > > and I have some more. > > TAMP (the first thing that comes to mind ain't pretty... "hey, someone put > TAMP on") > YOM (we can brush up on our Hebrew) > TWIUTB (I think this is some obscure birdcall)
Yikes! Well, now, wait. Will JLB be James LaBrie or Just Let me Breathe?
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> From: Randall Braun <RBraun@tlr.ameridata.com> > Subject: Magellen Lyrics > > >>>"To seek the sacred river Alph, and walk the caves of ice..." - Rush
To break my fast on Mountain Dew...
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> From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com> > Subject: stuff > > I think that bands like DT should not take this long between albums. > People forget about them and then their popularity diminishes. They > haven't toured for quite awhile, no new album for quite awhile either. If > it wasn't for this list, how many of us would still wonder about DT on a > daily basis?
You're probably right. We don't notice because we have IRC and clinics and Mike Bahr and Working Man. But the rest of the world has heard nothing from the guys in a while. Damn. Well, they'll be back out there in public kicking ass again soon, don't worry.
> I just got Permanent Waves from Rush via BMG as I try to fill out my Rush > cd collection. This cd is an awesome cd. I never see it mentioned as > people's favorite Rush cd. Why is that?
It's too short for my tastes. Yeah, I love every song on there, but there are only 6 of them. That means I have to change the CD too often. I'd much rather listen to Exit Stage Left, which is about twice as long.
BTW, I'm in the same boat as you, rounding off my Rush CD collection. Here's an idea for you - buy used CDs. I already owned Power Windows on tape, why would I spend another $16 to own it on CD? I just got a used PoW CD the other day for $7. Great condition, too. I'm doing the same with my VH collection - got Diver Down for $6. Music's the same, the booklet's just a little dog-eared.
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 14:42:05 -0400 From: Stan <sstys@earthlink.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: jam post Message-ID: <3225E47D.58EF@earthlink.net>
in your Aug 29 1996 post you wrote:
> I think that bands like DT should not take this long between albums. > People forget about them and then their popularity diminishes. They > haven't toured for quite awhile, no new album for quite awhile either. If > it wasn't for this list, how many of us would still wonder about DT on a > daily basis? >
To date their last show previous to the DS Birthay show was at the end of december 1996 in old bridge NJ. granted it was a small sho it was still only a mere 9 mos ago. I honestly enjoy the wait between CD's it raises the anticipation and the mystery of the new music. But I respect your opinion i just feel that the longer the wait the more quality the music will have
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 14:38:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Hey, Look everyone, it's Lisa Marie Pres....uhhh, never mind Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.960829141111.10532A-100000@frogger.rs.itd.umich.edu>
seriously, welcome aboard, Lisa Marie (and other new jammers), good to have you among us.....There's been a buncha bootleg style CDs created over the past year and a half by a guy named Mike Bahr, featuring live and rare DT cuts....I suggest you check out the following website
http://www.columbia.edu/~jc309/archives/ginfo/mikebahr.txt
for info on that stuff, which includes SFAM and wdaTu....... partha mukhopadhyay p.s. when does Bafu get back to school......
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 14:48:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Taco Belhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu> To: the cool people <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: years/Permanent Waves Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.960829144538.21563B-100000@umbc10.umbc.edu>
> I think that bands like DT should not take this long between albums. > People forget about them and then their popularity diminishes. They > haven't toured for quite awhile, no new album for quite awhile either. If > it wasn't for this list, how many of us would still wonder about DT on a > daily basis?
Three years isn't that bad to wait for an album. They gave us ACOS right? I think it would suck big time if they waited 4 years to release an album like Queensryche did.
> I just got Permanent Waves from Rush via BMG as I try to fill out my Rush > cd collection. This cd is an awesome cd. I never see it mentioned as > people's favorite Rush cd. Why is that?
Permanent Waves is my all time favorite Rush CD. And ever since learning how to play most of "natural science" on guitar it has become my favorite Rush song.
Brandon
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 15:13:32 -0400 From: kurt@fgallery.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: pamela lee's husband :-) Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.8.29.15.13.32.2916992174.334238@bbs.fgallery.com>
YT>>I think he meant that as a joke.. since Motley is long gone or at YT>>least they havent done anithing in a while..and their disc with john YT>>corabi didnt do very well..
YT>as far as i know, the album material has been finished twice or YT>thrice and the guys are writing their best music yet. album due to YT>come out this fall or in the winter or something. can't wait to YT>see what they're gonna come up with next, the "motley crue" cd was YT>musically awesome (in its own field of course). there was no glam YT>whatsoever, a completely new band.
YT>erm... i'm listening to "awake" right now. :-)
YT>raitz
YT> How could I forget such a revelation YT> to love without fear and learn without question YT> how could I regret the meant occasions YT> I must begin this day again
YT> Cynic, "How Could I
I didnt mean the cd was bad..i said it didnt do very well..as far as sales and popularity are concerned..
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 14:11:11 -0600 From: Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: KX/GC Message-ID: <3225F95F.4A0C@mo.net>
Hey, I just caught the King's X/Galactic Cowboys show in St. Louis last night. Saw 3 DT shirts there (one I&W era and two awake). Since people have already posted reviews and set lists here, I won't bother, but I do want to say that it was one amazing show. KX are some killer musicians, and GC really gave off an energetic set. Any jammers there? If so, I was the guy wearing the Red Dwarf t-shirt. Well, I better take a shower and relax some more before work (since I'm tired and stink. Cheers.
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 15:18:28 -0400 From: kurt@fgallery.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: stuff Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.8.29.15.18.28.2916992174.334241@bbs.fgallery.com>
YT>I think that bands like DT should not take this long between albums. YT>People forget about them and then their popularuty downs. They YT>haven't toured for quite awhile, no new album for quite awhile either. If YT>it wasn't for this list, how many of us would still wonder about DT on a YT>daily basis?
Dunno bout you ..but i listen to em every day..surely i wouldnt forget them..
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