YTSEJAM Digest 1783
Today's Topics:
1) hair
by kurt@fgallery.com
2) Autoreply Message
by svjohnson@amoco.com
3) Re: jam post
by skooc@earthlink.net
4) Unplugging Metallica (NON VH) (fwd)
by skooc@earthlink.net
5) Must be getting closer to the school year...
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
6) Gary Cherone new Van Halen singer?
by skooc@earthlink.net
7) Stuff
by Big.Swifty@twav.com
8) Re: stuff
by skooc@earthlink.net
9) RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRrrrrraging tunes!!!
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
10) Question
by Bartek Lubaszka <battery@magg.net>
11) erotomania
by Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net>
12) Assorted Musings...
by Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1782
by elliott@fxn.com (Elliott Kim)
14) Rush didn't sell out in 1979
by "Jeff Falk" <King_of_the_Nighttime_World@msn.com>
15) Subject: Subject: Subject:
by Mike <syrinx@dreamt.org>
16) Re: replying to partial jam
by skooc@earthlink.net
17) RE:UNCOVERED CD
by Kotaro Nagai <GAA01107@niftyserve.or.jp>
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 15:19:46 -0400
From: kurt@fgallery.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: hair
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.8.29.15.19.46.2916992174.334245@bbs.fgallery.com>
YT>> From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
YT>> Subject: Whole bunches o stuff
YT>>
YT>> Didn't you hear? John P and Mike cut each other's hair at the Ethyl
YT>> Mertz gig!!
YT>OK, I must apologize to all the gillible Jammers. This didn't happen.
YT>What *really* happened is that Derek came out with sheep shears after
YT>they all jammed and he shaved Mike's head clean.
YT>Oh, by the way, I have some beachfront property in North Dakota that I'm
YT>selling... cheap.
YT> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
YT> The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary
YT> cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn
YT> d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed
YT> http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart
YT> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
YT> Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List
YT> http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html
so now mike has a shaved head huh?
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 96 14:29:13 -0500
From: svjohnson@amoco.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Autoreply Message
Message-ID: <199608291929.AA00438@interlock.amoco.com>
Item Subject: Auto Reply content.
I will be on vacation until Monday, September 9. On the 9th
and 10th I will be on official business. If it is urgent,
please contact Neil Geary at (312) 856-5373. I will be
returning calls/messages on Wednesday, September 11.
Steve
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 12:33:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: skooc@earthlink.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: jam post
Message-ID: <199608291933.MAA09415@spain.it.earthlink.net>
At 11:39 AM 8/29/96 -0700, you wrote:
>To date their last show previous to the DS Birthay show was at the end
>of december 1996 in old bridge NJ. granted it was a small sho it was
>still only a mere 9 mos ago. I honestly enjoy the wait between CD's
>it raises the anticipation and the mystery of the new music. But I
>respect your opinion i just feel that the longer the wait the more
>quality the music will have
Obviously the date was a typo or we have a clairvoyant in our midst :)
I agree to an extent on length of time. Taking 18 mos or so is ok, but
taking that long can also kill a bands career. There's been many bands over
the ages that took two years or more to to put out a disc only to not be
heard from again. I think Queensryche and Alice in Chains are a good example
of that. Empire was a MONSTER for QR, then they took four years to follow it
up. They as a result got little or no airplay and the Road to the Promised
Land was not exactly playing to sold out arenas. Same with AIC. Dirt was
HUGE, but it took them almost four years to put out 'Grind'. How often do
you hear songs from that album on the radio? Not as much as the older stuff.
Not every band is as lucky as Metallica or Def Leppard. In DT's case I don't
think it'll hurt them too much because they don't have any real momentum to
build on. Maybe if their label would do something different, like SUPPORT
them, they could finally get some of the attention they deserve.
Scott
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 12:50:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: skooc@earthlink.net
To: Ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Unplugging Metallica (NON VH) (fwd)
Message-ID: <199608291950.MAA10550@spain.it.earthlink.net>
This was sent to me from the VH list. There are lots of Metallica fans here,
so I decided to forward this over.
>Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 15:07:50 -0400 (EDT)
>To: vanhalen@lists.fdt.net
>Subject: Unplugging Metallica (NON VH)
>
>For those of you who *might* be interested, this week's Kerrang states that
>Metallica are strongly rumoured to be considering an offer from MTV to make
>a surprise appearance later this year on their 'Unplugged' series.
>
>This sounds too strange to me.....Metallica don't have enough songs to play
>them acoustically.
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 15:54:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Must be getting closer to the school year...
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9608291558.A6437-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
Cause we're getting more jams again. :)
> From: "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com>
> Subject: Rush
>
> Technically, yes, but if all the FAQ has is stuff that we already
> know... why bother? Might as well make it interesting. Maybe it
> should be a LKF (little known fact) list... ?
Hey, I'm glad people are reading the faq, but only about 5 people have
actually e-mailed me with suggestions. Thanks again to those that have,
but we must do better than that!
> > >Listen to
> > >Hemispheres and then listen to anything Rush put out in the 80's and then
> > >say that they didn't go commercial.
>
> > They didn't go commercial.
They went commercial in 1974 when they released "Rush."
> That's just denial, man.
> You don't have to say they sold out... they had a financially based
> artistic crossover... but once they hit, they became a different
> band. There's just no way to say that they didn't change when they
> money came in. Hey, don't get me wrong... most of my favorite Rush
> tunes came AFTER they were huge... but they are human.
OK, but here's something to ponder. True, the sound of the band changed
when the money started coming in. But are those two events related?
Could it just be coincidence?
Allow me to explain another way. Hemispheres didn't do much
commercially, therefore Rush wasn't doing much commercially before PeW
came out. So, releasing PeW was more of a gamble then it was a sellout.
I'm sure they had no idea that it would sell the way it did - they
probably just wanted to play different stuff. And when the band you're
in starts playing different tunes... oh, sorry. Wrong band. :) If MP
had sounded more like PeW, you could say that Rush "sold out" or "went
commercial." But H -> PeW wasn't a sellout, it was just a change.
----> From: psull@ici.net (Pat Sullivan) > Subject: Re:New Album Info > > >When I added the length of the songs up I only got 55:05. While maybe > >I made I mistake in my math...But I don't think I could be off by 45 > >minutes. JP said that they had about 100 minutes worth of material! > > Personally, I got 65:05, but YMMV. :)
Remember, tax, title, and license not included. :)
----
> From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org> > > i'm not sure even boy scouts could help you there... dont NYC drivers view > boyscouts as targets? maybe if you used them as human body shields.......
NYC drivers view *everything* as targets. :) Boy Scouts are actually fairly low on the point scale, though. They're down there with rodents and kids chasing athletic equipment into the street. You want points, you have to go for cats and walkers.
:)
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 13:00:19 -0700 (PDT) From: skooc@earthlink.net To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Gary Cherone new Van Halen singer? Message-ID: <199608292000.NAA11292@spain.it.earthlink.net>
This is the best move VH could make, anything is better than their first singer. >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 09:59:54 -0400 (EDT) >To: vanhalen@lists.fdt.net >Subject: Boston Herald article > > GOING TO AN EXTREME > Don't breathe a word of this. Because no one's supposed to >know. But we hear Gary Cherone, late of Extreme, is winging his way >to La-La today to audition for Van Halen. > Word is David Lee Roth, who reunited with Eddie Van Halen >& Co. for two songs on the band's new greatest hits album, didn't >get the gig permanently. > Hence Gary's big try-out. > And it sounds to us like the Hudson hunk has a good shot >at heavy-metal superstardom. Because we hear he's bedding down at >the Van Halen homestead with Eddie and the lovely Valerie >Bertonelli all week! > Which must make Gary Jump for joy. >
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Date: 29 Aug 1996 14:55:40 CDT From: Big.Swifty@twav.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Stuff Message-ID: <199608292001.NAA22244@mindcrime.ax.com>
Hi all,
Just wanted to say a few things since I haven't posted in a while (I don't think). First, in my bar band last night, we played "Cocaine" by Eric Clapton. It was fun. It lasted ten minutes. I changed the words. It mutated into "Pull Me Under" halfway through and then magically became "Cocaine" again. I love playing in bars to only twenty people. My irreverent attitude helps, I suppose...
For all of you that I spoke to on the jam the other night, I've got another date with the band director tonight after practice :)
Lastly, I am interested in swapping tapes with someone. This certain person has a live version of ACoS with James doing the singing. If you are this person, email me and tell me who you are so we can arrange a trade.
Also, I'm going to type this sentence and take up a little more bandwidth so the next jam will come a little bit sooner :)
Bye, y'all
Mark Peters - big.swifty@twav.com
"I can feel my soul escaping into the sea unknown I know not the course it's taking, I just know that I'm alone" - "Another Day", by 10-97
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 13:01:46 -0700 (PDT) From: skooc@earthlink.net To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: stuff Message-ID: <199608292001.NAA11420@spain.it.earthlink.net>
>Dunno bout you ..but i listen to em every day..surely i wouldnt forget >them..
It's not us that's the problem, it's the overall record buying public. To them out of sight is out of mind.
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1985 15:10:47 -0500 From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org> To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRrrrrraging tunes!!! Message-ID: <2.2.32.19850829201047.0069f41c@mail.inlink.com>
wo0! i just got Andy Miller's (no not that one, the SubtlRage one:) Interum and B-Sides tapes in the mail... guys this is extremely good shit, and for a total of ten bucks for both nobody should miss this. such a small price to pay for two tapes full of stuff that i'd easily pay full deal if majorly released and more even to get my hands on. its wicked material.
if you wanna taste of it i believe he has some .wav files of it up at his website, as well as some other info on the tapes,
http://members.gnn.com/subtlerage
so dont miss out, or i'll get a big evil moocow to track you down in your sleep!
~Rip
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 16:19:51 -0400 From: Bartek Lubaszka <battery@magg.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Question Message-ID: <3224A9E7.3B41@magg.net>
Sorry for the ignorance, but does anyone know how to quote only part of the digest at a time using netscape 2.01 mail? When I hit quote original, the whole damn digest comes up, while cut and paste destroys the formatting.......? -- ----------------- battery@magg.net
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 15:28:30 -0600 From: Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: erotomania Message-ID: <32260B7E.121F@mo.net>
Well, I thought this was a bit interesting. Ir ead this book a while back, but recently remembered reading this excerpt. It's from an autobiography on David Letterman, and is from the chapter about the woman that used to keep breaking into his house.
"That's the situation you don't want on your hands when someone who is suffering from the mental condition now recognized as *erotomania*, an unhealthy romantic interest in someone who returns none of your feelings.Because once the erotomaniac feels the situation is hopeless, he or she will give up in the most final way of all: destroying the object of their affection."
I guess for anyone who may have been wondering, that sort of explains what erotomania means (is that a faq? I haven't checked out the faq in a while, so I can't remember if that one was on there - "What does 'erotomania' mean?"). And now, opening up for Iron Maiden, WYLD STALLYNS!!!!!
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 13:38:24 -0700 From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Assorted Musings... Message-ID: <199608292038.NAA17146@main.cfmc.com>
>From: "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com>
>> They didn't go commercial. > >That's just denial, man. >You don't have to say they sold out... they had a financially based >artistic crossover... but once they hit, they became a different >band. There's just no way to say that they didn't change when they >money came in. Hey, don't get me wrong... most of my favorite Rush >tunes came AFTER they were huge... but they are human.
Hmmm.....no, I really CAN'T agree there. I mean, no one wants to starve, but they certainly starved for three albums, then enjoyed a fair amount of success with "2112." The band's commercial success built from that point, really...an album with a 20 minute song. Even if you identify "Hemispheres"/"Permanent Waves" as the breaking point, I don't think I agree. I will, of course, go along with the notion that from "Permanent Waves" on, they became an even higher-profile band making more money, but I'd say both "Natural Science" and "The Camara Eye," at nine and ten minutes, are not the terra firma the flag of commercialism is planted on. Neither, again, is selling millions of copies of an album ("Moving Pictures") after selling millions of a fairly like-sounding album ("Permanent Waves"), then radically restructuring the band's sound ("Signals"). You don't release an album like that as a grab for the cash. And I've heard folks offer up the rap section of "Roll The Bones" as another attempt to "commercialize" the Rush sound. Which makes NO sense at all...if someone wants to say that's an artistic failure, that's fine (though I don't agree), but you're not going to appeal to Rush's fan base, for the most part, via hip-hop.
>I will add that I think the last few Rush albums, ESPECIALLY >Counterparts, have been way sub-par, as far as I'm concerned. Flame >me if you think I'll care what you call sacrilage, but there's no way >you'll change my mind on that. I can't find any redeeming qualities >on Counterparts.
Hmmm.....no, I won't call it "sacrilage," though I don't agree. We need to preserve a critical eye to the music, I think. But I'd say the string of albums from "Hold Your Fire" to "Counterparts" (I'm reserving judgement on "Test For Echo" until I hear the whole record) is their strongest period. Highlights of the last album -- the experimentation with a country-esque sound in "Cold Fire" (along with some cool doublestops on bass from Geddy, great cymbal work from Neil, and a tremendous solo from Alex), the propulsive, incresingly rhythmic bass work from Geddy throughout the album, a second instrumental in as many albums (with some strong interaction betwen the parts), as strong a vocal performance on the record as any others, a new (and unusual) set of lyrical themes from Neil, some great guitar chords in "Stick In Out," and a continuation of Rush's funkier and jazzier leanings.
Adam D. Barnhart adamb@cfmc.com ydnt85a@prodigy.com
Five Gratuitous CD's: ===================== 1. Jann Arden: Time For Mercy 2. Rush: Hold Your Fire 3. Live: Throwing Copper 4. Dream Theater: Live At The Marquee 5. Dar Williams: Mortal City
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 16:59:31 +0100 From: elliott@fxn.com (Elliott Kim) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1782 Message-ID: <19960829155930569.AAA271@ras18.fxn.com>
i. Tide Pools > >From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu> >Subject: ftp, cd's, and any other acronyms I can think of
>It's too short for my tastes. Yeah, I love every song on there, but >there are only 6 of them. That means I have to change the CD too often. >I'd much rather listen to Exit Stage Left, which is about twice as long. > Donchya just hate that?! You pay "full price" for what is supposedly a "full-length" release, only to find 35 minutes of music on it. (I'm talking about recent stuff, like for example, Slayer's _Divine Intervention._)
But you see ACOS for like 8 bucks, and it's got almost an hour of music on it! Go figure.
ii. Hyperspace >------------------------------ > >p.s. when does Bafu get back to school...... > Bafu goes to University of Washington, which is on the quarter-system, which means they start later in the fall, start again real quickly after the holidays, and go until mid-June. He will be back in 2-3 weeks.
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iii. Permanent Waves
>From: Taco Belhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu> >Subject: years/Permanent Waves > >> I think that bands like DT should not take this long between albums. >> People forget about them and blah blah blah... > >Three years isn't that bad to wait for an album. They gave us ACOS right? >I think it would suck big time if they waited 4 years to release an album >like Queensryche did. > True. They gave us ACOS, and other bands have had longer gaps between albums - Boston, Metallica, uh, lots of others... Someone else did mention that they felt the wait was good since it builds up suspense and gives the band more time to insure a quality product... I'm pretty middle-of-the-road here. While some build-up of anticipation is good, there's such a thing as waiting *too* long between albums, and crankin' 'em out really fast will surely result in a few duds...
-- Elliott Kim -------------------------------------------------------- --e l l i o t t @ f x n . c o m ----- E - M a n @ d r e a m t . o r g-- --h t t p : / / w w w . f x n . c o m / u s e r s / e / e l l i o t t--
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 96 21:04:34 UT From: "Jeff Falk" <King_of_the_Nighttime_World@msn.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Rush didn't sell out in 1979 Message-ID: <UPMAIL05.199608292107000002@msn.com>
Scott Cook said that Rush sold out in 1979. I'd just like to add that I disagree completely. It has been noted by many people, including at least one member of that band from Long Island that we sometimes discuss on this list, that with experience comes shorter, more concise songs. While Rush's music since 1980 may be more "commercial," (in other words, more appealing to "the masses,") that does not mean bad quality. Some music that is anything but commercial is absoutely awful (avant-garde music is an example, as well as other underground stuff). I think that Permanent Waves is Rush's finest album. I don't think they conciously made that album more commercial; I think it was part of their natural progression. And I might be way off-base, but aren't "Fly By Night," "Closer to the Heart" and "The Trees" more commercial than "Jacob's Ladder" and "Natural Science" (even "Freewill" and "The Spirit of Radio")? My thoughts, just in case anyone cares to know.
Jeff Falk King_of_the_Nighttime_World@msn.com starting Saturday: jefffalk@bu.edu
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 17:07:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike <syrinx@dreamt.org> To: Yitz-see-jam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Subject: Subject: Subject: Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.960829170549.26380A-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
Hey.
I want to thank the 'jammers who supported me about Tim Lodge. I know alot of you, and many of you just didn't want to see _ME_ get screwed, 'cause if i get screwed, the same thing might happen to you. It's good to know you have friends who have your back. At the same time, I wanna thank Tim for answering me. It takes some guts to do what he did, and i give him full credit for doing so.
Hmm. That's really all i have to say. :)
----------------------------------------------- Michael B. Ostrich - musical advisor/consultant email: syrinx@dreamt.org syrinx@wicked.stigmata.org syrinx@astro.ocis.temple.edu
"..when i look back on the past, it's a wonder i'm not yet extinct. all the the mistakes and bad judgements i made nearly pushed me to the brink. it doesn't pay to be too nice, it's the one thing i have learned. still, i make my fossil bed, now i toss and turn." - adrian belew.
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 14:46:24 -0700 (PDT) From: skooc@earthlink.net To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: replying to partial jam Message-ID: <199608292146.OAA05369@andorra.it.earthlink.net>
Bartek,
If you get the Jam n ACK mode you'll get each post as it's sent then you can reply to whatever posts you want without having to cut and paste.
Scott
At 01:30 PM 8/29/96 -0700, you wrote: >Sorry for the ignorance, but does anyone know how to quote only part of >the digest at a time using netscape 2.01 mail? When I hit quote >original, the whole damn digest comes up, while cut and paste destroys >the formatting.......? >-- >----------------- >battery@magg.net > >
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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 05:34:00 +0900 From: Kotaro Nagai <GAA01107@niftyserve.or.jp> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: RE:UNCOVERED CD Message-ID: <199608292154.GAA06537@inetnif.niftyserve.or.jp>
Stephane,
>>Hi there, >> >>A friend of mine who has gone to study in Japan has found 4 copies of >>"Uncovered". They were the last ones of the store and it becomes difficult >>to find... >>The cost is 8000 Japanese Yen each including postage in priority mail or >>8500 JPY each if you want a registred parcel. I would point that I don't >>make money selling them at this price. This is only the price it costed, not >>more. You send me the money, in Japanese Yen only, and as soon as I've >>received the money, I send you the CD. Very simple... >>If you are interested, e-mail me and the 4 first to e-mail me will have >>their copy reserved. >> >>Stephane
I have got Uncovered CD in westside of Shinjuku City in Tokyo where some impor t CD sotores had Uncovered. The price was 5,100 Japanese Yen. 1 US doller stands for 108 Yen.
*** K.Nagai: gaa01107@niftyserve.or.jp from Japan<96/08/29 06:25> ***
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