YTSEJAM Digest 1787
Today's Topics:
1) Autoreply Message
by svjohnson@amoco.com
2) Re: Spocks Beard? Que esta!
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
3) winner of boot CD
by Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net>
4) Rush Trivia on Broadcast TV
by "P.Norte" <visquest@worldnet.att.net>
5) The waiting for the album
by Henrik Gustafsson <henrik@thn.htu.se>
6) Re: A LOT !
by Henrik Gustafsson <henrik@thn.htu.se>
7) _MMTBH
by Henrik Gustafsson <henrik@thn.htu.se>
8) self-indulgence
by Karri K Kiviluoma <kkiviluo@cc.hut.fi>
9) Metal Links web site - visit! (+URLs wanted)
by Andrew Berry <andrew@aberry.demon.co.uk>
10) Rush on NY radio
by araby@ix.netcom.com
11) KevMo Demos & Road Pizza (Absolutely 100% DTC-free)
by formalin@juno.com (Charone S. Frankel)
12) Fuuny things are afoot at the syrinx household!@(*7
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
13) Rush on NY radio
by kurt@fgallery.com
14) length of digests and another good group.
by Jonathan Case <jcase@ROSSBY.METR.ou.edu>
15) Rush, SRO Management, and Golf, baby!
by "Frank Benenati" <mojonet@pb.net>
16) new email address!
by Jaime Kimpton <jkimpton@nfx.net>
17) King Crimson, and minimal DT content.
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
18) Byzantine Excuses
by btomko@glasscity.net
19) MANUAL (not Auto) replies to Mike, Mike, Chris, Mike, and a dead guy
by hawkeye7@ix.netcom.com
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Date: Sat, 31 Aug 96 01:38:14 -0500
From: svjohnson@amoco.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Autoreply Message
Message-ID: <199608310638.AA02567@interlock.amoco.com>
Item Subject: Auto Reply content.
I will be on vacation until Monday, September 9. On the 9th
and 10th I will be on official business. If it is urgent,
please contact Neil Geary at (312) 856-5373. I will be
returning calls/messages on Wednesday, September 11.
Steve
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Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 03:03:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
To: Mike Skoog <mskoog@raven.phs.com>
Subject: Re: Spocks Beard? Que esta!
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.960831030254.4243A-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
> Does anyone know of a place to pick up spocks beard besides ordering the
> cd directly from the band.
i've having the same problems@!^&!@*(!@ i can't find _ANY_ place in the
U.S. that has _ANYTHING_ from Spock's Beard. I'm a rather upset
ytsejammer. :(
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Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 02:14:19 -0600
From: Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: winner of boot CD
Message-ID: <3227F45B.6E94@mo.net>
>Jeff P. of St. Louis
LET'S HEAR IT FOR THE ST. LOUIS JAMMERS!!!!! WOOHOOOO!!!!!!!
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 07:47:42 +0000
From: "P.Norte" <visquest@worldnet.att.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Rush Trivia on Broadcast TV
Message-ID: <19960831074722.AAA20334@LOCALNAME>
Did anybody catch the Rush question on the new gameshow "Debt"? (last week)
The question was something like this - "Progressive rock band that features
the member Geddy
Lee" - a contestent answered correctly.
One of the few national TV comments I've ever heard about prog music. Does
anybody have
any other instances?
Personally, I think DT should play on Letterman! or Portnoy sitting in for
Anton?
That would be a nice change of pace.
John
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Date: Sat, 31 Aug 96 13:33 DFT
From: Henrik Gustafsson <henrik@thn.htu.se>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: The waiting for the album
Message-ID: <m0uwoIP-0002k2C@tellus.thn.htu.se>
Hi
some of you have written things like:
> About the wait for a new album thing, I don't think we've had THAT long
>of a wait when compared with other bands. I mean, I have an overactive
>sense of anticipation, so it seems like it's been decades, but it's only
>been like, what, two years since Awake. ACOS did help my appetite a bit
>(as well as all those keen Mike Bahr discs :). And I agree that some
>bands can get away with this (i.e. Metallica, U2 (new album due out on
>Nov. for those of you who care), etc.), but for the most part, waiting,
>like, 5 years between albums would not seem to be the best idea for a
>band/performer. I figure that in DT's case, however, the wait (however
>long it will end up being) will be more than worth it. Cheers.
>
> Dale R. Newberry
>
>
My opinion is that if we are getting albums like I&W and Awake I don't mind
waiting some extra months. Don't know about you guys out there but I get
totally taken away when I get their new albums (read Lock me in in my room
and play nothing else for at least a week.) My friends calls it crazy and
can confirm ,but for me there is no other music that interest me in those
moments.
And when there are lives, bootlegs (esp. yours MBahr) I can live it thru'.
Still if the album is something like Met's LOAD , dunno...
-is security after all a cause or symptom of happiness. Moore -88
Henrik Gustafsson henrik@thn.htu.se +46 520 47 50 49
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Date: Sat, 31 Aug 96 13:48 DFT
From: Henrik Gustafsson <henrik@thn.htu.se>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: A LOT !
Message-ID: <m0uwoXU-0002kZC@tellus.thn.htu.se>
NO WELCOME, BUT I THINK I'LL STAY
>Hi everybody.
>Hope you are doing fine, and I must say that I've missed you all.
>I've just rejoined YtseJam after over a year, so therefore I feel obliged
to make a rather long post. Please read it,'cause it took me over an hour
writing it..
>---This text is also available as an MS-Word-file (not inc.) for easier reading
>
>Content:
> Argentina
> Quality
> Quality in Music
> The best last
> Livesongs
> Kev
>
..
>
> -is security after all a cause or symptom of happiness. Moore -88
>
>Henrik Gustafsson henrik@thn.htu.se +46 520 47 50 49
and, while I'm talking 'bout nothing of DT.
Just saw the hockeygame Canada-Russia again, and I feel sach a rage 'bout
you canadians. Guess you are all feeling kinda ashamed about it, since the
ref. stole a cristalclear Russian victory , by making hordes of odd decisions.
How is it possible having a canadian referee in Canada while Canada is
playing, especially when he's a lousy one. Hope the rest of the tournament
will be fair, and justice will conquer (i.e. Gold for Russia), even though
I'm a Swede, but under these circumstances, I settle for silver.
-is security after all a cause or symptom of happiness. Moore -88
Henrik Gustafsson henrik@thn.htu.se +46 520 47 50 49
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Date: Sat, 31 Aug 96 13:51 DFT
From: Henrik Gustafsson <henrik@thn.htu.se>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: _MMTBH
Message-ID: <m0uwoa3-0002kKC@tellus.thn.htu.se>
And to AirDance, when you read it,
if it may get you feeling any better, I LOVED the tape-tree you made, and I
hope that you and Kev can keep on chatting.
Was unaware of your friends death, wish you the best, and keep missing you
on the list...
-is security after all a cause or symptom of happiness. Moore -88
Henrik Gustafsson henrik@thn.htu.se +46 520 47 50 49
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Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 18:38:51 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Karri K Kiviluoma <kkiviluo@cc.hut.fi>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: self-indulgence
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.93.960831182653.6403A-100000@lk-hp-13.hut.fi>
My apologies for not remembering the names of the persons that
brought this to my attention.
There has been some use in describing the work of some artists
as self-indulgent, mainly referring to their products lenght. (Some
Rush and DT songs. There was even referral to ACOS in some article.)
Now this kinda pisses me off. Music is art. Artists try to create
their OWN visions. What has anybody else have to do with these ? So
ofcourse they're SELF-indulgent, just don't make it sound like a bad
thing.
It is different in popular art of course (I'm NOT trying to say
that is not art), where artists try to create visions that appeal to
large number of people. In prog music it can be seen that bands lean
(or try to) more into not-so-pop sound.
So once more: If artists create their on visions, where does self-
indulgence come from ?
In classical music this has been accepted long time ago (propably
due to it's age). Looks like we have a long way to go still.
And damn sure it's my opinion ! =)
Take care all!
Karri
kkiviluo@cc.hut.fi
PS. And if you're thinking of quality decreasing as the lenght
increases: Have you ever really listened to the damn songs ? =)
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Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 14:38:37 +0100 (BST)
From: Andrew Berry <andrew@aberry.demon.co.uk>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Metal Links web site - visit! (+URLs wanted)
Message-ID: <Marcel-0.99-0831133837-f7fW1kb@aberry.demon.co.uk>
Check out my Metal Links web page at
http://www.aberry.demon.co.uk/metallist/
Now with nearly 400 links to web sites on the internet.
URLs WANTED
===========
More URLs needed - links to web sites of death, black, power, thrash,
progressive and heavy metal bands. Please mailto:andrew@aberry.demon.co.uk
with the URL of good web pages.
Cheers,
-- +-----Andrew Berry--------------------- http://www.aberry.demon.co.uk -----+ | "You're waiting for tomorrow, well tomorrow never comes. | | Ha, you're waiting for your new dawn, so sad to say there isn't one. | +- Because (you fools) tomorrow belongs to nobody." - Carcass ------------+------------------------------
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 09:40:02 -0700 From: araby@ix.netcom.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Rush on NY radio Message-ID: <1996831123824741@ix.netcom.com>
To all NY area jammers;
Rush will be appearing on 102.7 WNEW this Thursday night at 10PM to debut and to discuss "Test For Echo". The commercial said they will be playing songs from the album. I dont remeber exactly which members were going to be there but I do know Geddy was one of them. If you can, check this out, it should be cool. Later
Chambers
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Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 12:55:27 EDT From: formalin@juno.com (Charone S. Frankel) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: KevMo Demos & Road Pizza (Absolutely 100% DTC-free) Message-ID: <19960831.084740.2279.0.formalin@juno.com>
>> This is going to sound silly to most of you, but how can I get a >Kevin Moore >> demo?
>well, if you want one, you can ask me for them. just respond to this, >and i'll give you an address to send either a tape or cash (for a tape >and postage), and i'll make it for ya.
Nooooooooooo!!!! Don't dub Kev's demos. That's evil. If you want one, get it from Kevin himself so that he gets the money for it and stuff. Don't you think that makes more sense?
Kev's e mail is ChromaKey@msn.com and his web page is http://chromakey.com If you want to order a demo though, all you have to do is send a check for 7 dollars plus two dollars S&H to
Kevin Moore 112 Harvard Ave. #115 Claremont, CA 91711
I have the tape and I like it very much. It's really not worth screwing Kein over just to save a couple of dollars.
>>Naaaah. Walkers are for amateurs. Runners are the real challenge :) > > Come on, I'm sure you could do better than that. I personally >go for >the bike messengers and skateboarders. They can be pretty elusive.
Yeah, but runners are the most fun to go after. They all think they're just the shit cause they're healthy and everything whereas most of us prefer to spend our time impersonating vegetables.
Runner: Haha! Look at the lazy dude sitting in the car! Bet I'll live ten years longer than you, you fat-ass!!!
Driver: Hehe, we'll see about that, spandex-boy >:)
Au Revoir
-Charone ( who, me? sick and twisted? never! )
P.S. - If I offended any ytse-runners......cool :) I of course am quite drunk at the moment, so perhaps you'll forgive me :)
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Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 12:57:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org> To: Yitz-see-jam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Fuuny things are afoot at the syrinx household!@(*7 Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.960831125516.11052A-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
Wow. What a day. I've received 4 packages today, one of them being Tim Lodge's InstruMENTAL's II and III. Thanks, Tim. :) So far, it's pretty rad stuff. They cover YYZ a little _TOO_ well.
I got the King Crimson box set "The Great Deciver", which is 4 discs of live material from 1973-1975. Did i mention that i love Robert Fripp? No? Well, let me do so now.
Sorry to take up space, but Ibanez, please call me: your CD is in.
----------------------------------------------- Michael B. Ostrich - musical advisor/consultant email: syrinx@dreamt.org syrinx@wicked.stigmata.org syrinx@astro.ocis.temple.edu
"..when i look back on the past, it's a wonder i'm not yet extinct. all the the mistakes and bad judgements i made nearly pushed me to the brink. it doesn't pay to be too nice, it's the one thing i have learned. still, i make my fossil bed, now i toss and turn." - adrian belew.
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Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 14:00:56 -0400 From: kurt@fgallery.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Rush on NY radio Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.8.31.14.0.56.2916992174.335446@bbs.fgallery.com>
YT>To all NY area jammers;
YT> Rush will be appearing on 102.7 WNEW this Thursday night at 10PM to debut a YT>"Test For Echo". The commercial said they will be playing songs from the al YT>exactly which members were going to be there but I do know Geddy was one of YT>check this out, it should be cool. Later
YT>Chambers
The People who will listen to it should calll the sation and ask them about working man
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Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 13:17:15 -0500 (CDT) From: Jonathan Case <jcase@ROSSBY.METR.ou.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: length of digests and another good group. Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.90.960831131106.29309A-100000@rossby>
Hey everyone,
Just a little comment here. It's good to have some messages included when you reply, but constantly including old messages, and old replies makes for a very long YTSEJAM digest. Maybe if we just referred to the person who posted in the subject, then we can be more succinct in the digests.
Also, another good rock group, who's latest release is modestly dissappointing is the "screamin' cheetah wheelies". At least w.r.t. their first release (1993), it was excellent. I still haven't fully and carefully listened to the last release (this year), but it appears to lose some of its jamming edge to it. Also, a while back, before I got booted off the subscriber's list, due to domain changes in our university's e-mail, I mentioned the group "Leviathan". Anyone hear of them, or know about their music? They personally thank Dream theater in the credits. Also, their music is extremely precise and accurate, similar to DT. Much odd-time in many of their songs, so if anyone knows more about this group, let me and others know. I only have 1 release, called "Deepest Secrets Beneath" (I think). I would like to know of more of their releases, b/c they are excellent!
-Jon C.
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Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 14:28:32 -0400 From: "Frank Benenati" <mojonet@pb.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Rush, SRO Management, and Golf, baby! Message-ID: <199608311832.LAA27941@mindcrime.ax.com>
It may be a little late to get in on the "Rush Bashing" ...but I figure I should put my 2 cents in.....
I've been a Rush fan for a long time!!! even longer than D-Man...... I enjoy the bands music...and I've enjoyed what ground they've covered....Yet sometimes I loose interest in the group, and stop listening for a couple months....geez...I brain farted so badly this past week that I had to call Chris Merlo and ask him what album came between Presto and Counterparts. That doesn't affect what I have to say about them, though....
Someone on IRC, about 2-3 weeks ago, said something that we should all take into consideration. Listen to "Spirit of the Radio" and hear that they say about 'freedom of music' ..... Ever time I hear that....it turns my stomach. ...Rush is seriously loosing it's integrity......It's the fault of the management.....Sure....SRO Management may be responsible for swaying Rush to this.....but Rush makes the final call........that's an integrity problem...and it has affected my interest in the group.... As a result...I WILL NOT purchase this album until it has been in release for exactly a week.....hopefully....enough of us will do the same....to WARN Rush that they should listen to us (the fans) a little more than worldclass cluster-fucker and manager Ray Daniels....
A little side note about Ray Daniels.....he has effectively destroyed Extreme and Van Halen.....If Ray can bring down the almightly Van Halen.....I think Rush should reconsider who calls the shots in their music.
On a totally unrelated side note....I'm gonna play golf in Hurricane Edwuard!!!!!
T H E M O J O H A S L A N D E D ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
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Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 14:49:14 -0400 From: Jaime Kimpton <jkimpton@nfx.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: new email address! Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19960831144857.3487affe@nfx.net>
As I mentioned last week, I am no longer on AOL. ::and the crowd goes wild:: I have a new ISP account and it's actually up and running, so I can now be contacted at: <jkimpton@nfx.net> My vwc.edu address is also valid while I'm in school.
Jaime the Dragon Jaime Kimpton Editor, Metropolis Watch jkimpton@nfx.net jaimekimpton@vwc.edu
"If you can't dazzle them with dexterity, baffle them with bullshit."
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Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 15:09:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org> To: Yitz-see-jam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: King Crimson, and minimal DT content. Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.960831150439.22685B-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
Hey, Kids.
So, i'm sitting here listening to the King Crimson box set "The Great Deciever", which is a 4 cd set of live recordings from the "Starless And Bible Black" tours. This is amazing material. The interplay between Wetton, Bruford, and Fripp is just amazing. I can't say enough good things about this thing, and if you like the crimson, this is a _DEFINATE_ pick up, no matter _WHAT_ you pay for it.
In responce to Charone's post about the Kevin Moore stuff, lemme clarify: i'm not taping Chromakey. The last thing I wanna do is get in the way of Kevin's profits, and besides, he deserves to get every penny. i love the songs, and hopefully he'll do more stuff like it. What i _WILL_ tape for people is the "Music Meant To Be Heard" stuff, since not alot of people have it, and i do. Why not spread the wealth?
Crimson's doing a song called "A Voyage To The Center Of The Cosmos", and it's freakin' me out. It's creating an atmosphere in my room which is kinda strange. It's sick, but beautiful.
----------------------------------------------- Michael B. Ostrich - musical advisor/consultant email: syrinx@dreamt.org syrinx@wicked.stigmata.org syrinx@astro.ocis.temple.edu
"..when i look back on the past, it's a wonder i'm not yet extinct. all the the mistakes and bad judgements i made nearly pushed me to the brink. it doesn't pay to be too nice, it's the one thing i have learned. still, i make my fossil bed, now i toss and turn." - adrian belew.
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Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 15:17:44 -0400 From: btomko@glasscity.net To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Byzantine Excuses Message-ID: <B0000401963@home.glasscity.net>
I haven't posted in a while, so just to settle the rumors, I have NOT dropped off the face of the earth. (yet) I have a few questions and ponders. First, what does Van Halen have to do with Dream Theater? I didn't see them as being relevant enough to recieve the amount of attention that they are getting. Don't kill me, it's just a thought. Working Man has turned up in my area twice that I know of: I bought one and a friend of mine located a copy. Guess it's been shipped, eh? I do like it, but it's a bit overrated. Sean Malone does an awesome job of 'Red Barchetta', though. I was wondering: what Ozric Tentacles and Gentle Giant albums should I look for first? I've heard cool stuff about Ozric, but I don't know anything about Gentle Giant. And that just about wraps it up for me, folks. What is the song 'Afraid of Sunlight' about?
Mark Tomko spector@dreamt.org
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Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 16:20:35 -0700 From: hawkeye7@ix.netcom.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: MANUAL (not Auto) replies to Mike, Mike, Chris, Mike, and a dead guy Message-ID: <3228C8C3.7038@ix.netcom.com>
> From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org> > To: CNG@tcco.com > Subject: Re: Kevin Moore demo
(snip) > > how can I get a Kevin Moore demo? > > well, if you want one, you can ask me for them. just respond to this, > and i'll give you an address to send either a tape or cash (for a tape > and postage), and i'll make it for ya. >
OK, Mike, I'm gonna take ya up on that - I want one, where do I send the money?
> From: Same guy! > Subject: Japan and Awake.
> Just to let you guys know, i orderded the Japaneese verion of > AWAKE about 10 minutes ago for about 40 dollars from Sounds City, 2000. > They're a cool place to order from, and i've been ordering from them > for about 3 years now. If you guys want the phone number, just lemme > know, and i'll give it to ya.
OK, I'm gonna take you up on that, too! (jeez, why didn't you just leave this stuff in your messages?) :^) But, hey, since I know that Awake is already the best album of all time, what is different about the Japanese version? I apologize if this is common knowledge . . .
To Chris Ptacek:
Thanks for the kind words about our last trade. I would like everyone to know that YOU are a helluva guy - you shipped the CD's BEFORE getting the money. Not many people are that trustful! I got mine 2 days after confirming the deal via E-mail. And that's why I put a little "extra" in the envelope - cuz U RULE!
Speaking of trades, I'd also like to vouch for Tim Lodge - he did indeed send me the DT InstruMENTAL II CD as promised. I have yet to be burned by anybody on this list! Kudos (the M&M kind) to Tim, Chris Ptacek, Scott Cook, and Jason Skewes! Mike Skoog wrote:
> Does anyone know of a place to pick up spocks beard besides ordering the > cd directly from the band?
Well, his wife usually has to pick it up off the bathroom sink after he trims it - sorry, couldn't resist!
> From: Carson McCullers (1917-1967) <root@carson.u.washington.edu> > To: undisclosed-recipients:; > Subject: message returned, spod over quota
Sheeeeeeeeeesh! (TM Ben Lassuade 1996) First Steve Johnson gives us the AutoReply BS, then THIS guy who's been dead for 29 years anyway starts bitching that he got too many Jams! What's the Net coming to? And how the Hell (oops, sorry Carson) did he send this?
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