YTSEJAM Digest 2080
Today's Topics:
1) Real quick stuff
by "LRW" <sir@micron.net>
2) Taping X-mas shows, wtf? Lyrics---no- singing,
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
3) I think I just had a revelation
by Ryan P Skadberg <skadz@mindstorm.com>
4) LoneWolf's Server Problems
by e8825527@student.tuwien.ac.at (LoneWolf)
5) Don't you guys think it is about time the secret is revealed?I
by Conrad Chi <uchic00@mcl.ucsb.edu>
6) Re: DT concert tix
by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
7) More lyrics stuff
by Younis Youssef Hilal <yhilal@uclink.berkeley.edu>
8) Re: lyrics again
by Younis Youssef Hilal <yhilal@uclink.berkeley.edu>
9) Take Away My Pain
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
10) Yes, cd shopping, DT, a plea...
by nigelb@thehub.com.au (Nigel Bridgeman)
11) DT opening act
by "SchuBert" <H.M.Peeters@stud.tue.nl>
12) Caught In A....
by "Adam Bertapelle" <bertapel@travelin.com>
13) SPOILERS!!! The setlist as it reads on stage
by "Adam Bertapelle" <bertapel@travelin.com>
14) Judas Priest Tributes (obviously NDTC)
by akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
15) Poughkeepsie show again NO SPOILERS
by Brian <DreamNDay@dreamt.org>
16) Learning To Live, Slightly Out Of Sync at Poughkeepsie?
by zottpa@consumer.org
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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 21:39:03 -0700
From: "LRW" <sir@micron.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Real quick stuff
Message-ID: <199612060442.VAA27206@snowden.micron.net>
Hey guys. Been real busy lately so I'll have to keep it short. Thanks to
phil and gene for the cool responses about EJ. I have exactly three (3)
more things to say about EJ, but I think I'll hold off until I listen to
AVM. I guess if you are real interested you could say so. Hey chuck are
you the author of that stupendous poem? How much does ME want for DoE?
Cya bye
woot
ps I HATE FIZZICKS!!!!!!
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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 96 21:47:28 PST
From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Taping X-mas shows, wtf? Lyrics---no- singing,
Message-ID: <9612060547.AA10985@tengs1>
Hey you guys, I understand you need your fix of DT, but didn't
someone just recently forward a request from the band that these
shows *not* be taped due to the fact there is new material
being played? Perhaps, you could be a little more discreet. I'm
stuck out here on the Left Coast, too and can't make it back
like I did last year (I was tempted). So take yer whinin' offline.
(Doubtless, someone will flame me for this.)
I don't hold lyrics in that high a regard (unless they are saying,
"on your knees to Satan--- all hail Hitler" or something). I was
in the studio watching my friend mix some tracks for his band
Masquerade (a bar-band from the San Joaquin Valley) and I thought
the music sounded better *without* the vox.
Really, I think a poor vocalist can really detract from the music.
On the DREG compilation, for instance, I think some poor vocalists
really bring down some of the songs. I've only listened to it once
(!$#% CD player at work is down and the one in my car is on the
blink), so maybye I'll give it another chance... But I really like
the band Naked (the demo tape that was sent out--- I can still
listen to tapes at work), but the vocals are mediocre, and that
detracts from my enjoyment of the music. Some death vocals I even
like because they are done "tastefully" (in that context, obviously).
I don't mind the vocals from the band Death, and I think the vocals
(the growl combined with the electronic effects is really cool) on
the Cynic album are subtile enough that they are cool while the
ones on Believer's Dimensions kind of piss me off.
Great vocalists are a valuable asset. James *really* adds something
to Dream Theater, as does Geoff for QR and Geddy does on anything PeW
to present. By the way, James is a nice guy in person :^)>
Zach
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Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 01:38:00 -0500 (EST)
From: Ryan P Skadberg <skadz@mindstorm.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: I think I just had a revelation
Message-ID: <199612060638.BAA17841@optical.mindstorm.com>
Doors for Dream Theater are in 18 1/2 hrs
hmmmmmm
WOAH :)
Well, D-Man said something about finding him tommorrow night because
he will be wearing a green UVM hat (he always wears that damned hat ;)
I have a much easier way to find him :) Its real easy if you follow
these instructions, just look for a skinny long haired guy with a beard
acting very excited and yelling d-man or merlo across the parkinf lot,
club, anything else in between. That will be me :) Or look for the
bald dude saying wacky and sort alot :) That would be bwherry.
Oh yeah, since it has been mentioned before the aforementioned (sp?)
long hair will most likely have a cigarette hanging out of his mouth at
any and every given moment :)
See ya in a few hours!!!! :)
Skadz
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Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 07:45:08 +0100
From: e8825527@student.tuwien.ac.at (LoneWolf)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: LoneWolf's Server Problems
Message-ID: <9612060645.AA84776@stud1.tuwien.ac.at>
Hi Jammers !
Most people on irc already know about the huge server problems
that I have (lags and disconnections). As a result, questions
and answers don't always fit together. :(
So, if I accidentally offended or hurt anyone, I'm terribly
sorry. I really mean it. I wouldn't bug people with dcc
connections if I didn't have these problems.
Please accept my apologies.
Again, if you are a regular on irc and want to be on my irc page,
mail me your nickname,name,e-mail and url.
http://stud1.tuwien.ac.at/~e8825527/irc.html
Keep on jamming,
Wolf.
------------ LoneWolf@dreamt.org ------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 22:47:52 -0800 (PST)
From: Conrad Chi <uchic00@mcl.ucsb.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Don't you guys think it is about time the secret is revealed?I
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.93.961205224445.8893C-100000@mcl.ucsb.edu>
Hey Neil!
It's now December, what do you say you reveal the little
secret now!! Some of us college guys will be taking off soon!
Eldritch.....hmmmmmm
lauters
Conrad
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Date: Fri, 6 Dec 96 00:21:53 -0600
From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: DT concert tix
Message-ID: <32a7bb62603f920@mhub1.tc.umn.edu>
If anyone know where I can get two tickets to any of the shows, I'd be eternally
grateful! I couple of us are thinking of driving out there from Minnesota, if we
can make any of the dates with finals coming around the corner. Thanks!
-Brian
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/6521
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/3771
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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 23:50:21 -0800 (PST)
From: Younis Youssef Hilal <yhilal@uclink.berkeley.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: More lyrics stuff
Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.93.961205231649.18500C-100000@uclink.berkeley.edu>
On Thu, 5 Dec 1996 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> From: <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
> Subject: singing and no singing
BTW, what does the "ee" in your address stand for?
>
> Have you ever thought of human voice as an instrument? Previously to
> getting my first listen to Dream Theater, I hadn't. Now I listen to
> LaBrie singin' and oft wonder how it would sound without him. I
> suspect it would lack something. The vocalist adds something very
> important to the texture of music. We can't be too thankful for the
> fact that the band has LaBrie who bears another musical instrument in
> his wide vocal (aka tonal) range
I DO think of vocals as an instrument. It's just an instrument that I
would rather not be featured:). I guess that's the best way I can express
my opinion on the matter. As an example, I don't like the way the piano
sounds either, so I can't stand most piano concertos. I think it's also
very telling that you think the vocals have something important to add to
the music. IMO, the vocals add something that I'm just not interested in
hearing.
>
> Lyrics unnecessary? I've gotta disagree. I've been very sensitive
> about the lyrical content since I first got to music. I've been
> writing some stuff myself and I wouldn't be doing it if I found it
> pointless. Music and lyrics are equally important to me. Maybe that's
> why I memorize all the lyrics very quickly and very seldom need a
> second look at the lyric sheet again. Good lyrics make me think. Good
> music does too. I'm more than satisfied when the two mix.
One of the problems I have with lyrics is the same one I have with
poetry: I usually can't figure out what the writer's talking about.
When I do figure it out, it's not like it adds much to my enjoyment of the
song in question. I guess I've just gotten used to treating the lyrics
and the music as pretty separate. So I just don't bother with lyric
interpretations any more. As it is now, whenever I do listen to music
that features vocals, I never pay attention to the vocals.
>
> So now you've found somebody who gets a kick outta them lyrics. Let's
> rumble!
Hehehe. As a matter of policy, I don't do my own fighting. My bodyguard
will e-mail you over the next few days to set a time and places:).
(Actually, I read a post once in a sports-related newsgroup from one very
irate Cowboys fan who wrote to the guy who irritated him and said that not
only was he ready to personally kick the other guy's ass, he was pretty
sure that he could track the guy down and call up a family member to do
the job for him. When I read that, I was amazed. The Internet really
does make this world a lot smaller!!!:))
BTW, what does the "ee" in your address stand for?
>
> ------------------------------
> From: Henrik Gustafsson <henrik@thn.htu.se>
> Subject: Re: lyrics
>
> Well, as I see it, I'm not a musician, but I think if you write music it is
> because you want to express something. Some feeling that you have about some
> political topic, a feeling, or just to get something out of your mind. I
> here don't consider just expressing your ability as music, rather exhibitionism.
> If you are able to express that without words, that's fine with me. But in
> many cases it is easier if your epos has a title, or even lyrics. And if you
> put them on the sleeve, all us non-english understand most of what you're
> saying.
I'm not a musician either and I probably should also mention that I know
NOTHING about composing or anything related to it.
With all that out of the way, I hear what you're saying about using music
to try express something. But if it's something that has to be expressed
through words, I don't think it's necessary to have music along with it.
I think this also holds the other way around: IMO, it IS possible to
express yourself through music alone (no words). I think Joe Satriani and
Eric Johnson are particularly good at doing this.
Younis Hilal-------------------------------yhilal@uclink.berkeley.edu
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Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 00:20:06 -0800 (PST)
From: Younis Youssef Hilal <yhilal@uclink.berkeley.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: lyrics again
Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.93.961205235211.18500E-100000@uclink.berkeley.edu>
On Thu, 5 Dec 1996 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> From: Tiffany Jean Meyers <meyerstj@whitman.edu>
>
> Ah... The voice is an instrument, just as legitimate as guitar or drums
Agreed.
> or keys or whatever. To ignore the lyrics of a song, in songs that have
> meaningful lyrics like most of DT's, is to miss a significant part of the
> experience (as I said before). Example: yes, it's possible to enjoy a song
> without paying attention to individual instruments--ignore the guitars,
> ignore the drums... But I think most people would agree that you have a
> much deeper appreciation of the music if you DO pay attention to
"Deeper appreciation?" Are you talking about the extent to which the
music moves you? I can recall parts from DT's songs played by MP, JM, or
JP that literally sends shivers up and down my back (I'm not kidding you!)
because they seem so brilliant and divinely-inspired. Nothing in the
vocals has ever done that to me. Hell, no vocals have ever done that for
me. There's no question that I get more satisfaction out of listening to
the instruments than the vocals. But you're probably right in that MOST
people would agree.
> everything. Publishing the lyrics seperately? Why? They're part of the
> song. You wouldn't suggest that the keys part be taken out of a song and
> released as a single for those who like keyboards, so the people who
> don't care much about them wouldn't have to listen. (All right, it's not
> exactly the same thing, but it's close.)
I see your point. To me, it seems that the music is complete in itself
and doesn't really need the vocals. Take jazz and classical, for
instance. It seems listeners of those two genres can appreciate the music
with and without vocals. Radio airplay of the two seems to be about
evenly split if you look at the amount of jazz and classical without
vocals that gets played and compare it to that with vocals. Why isn't
rock or, better yet, metal the same way? It seems to me it's heavily
skewed in favor of the vocals fans.
> Also, as Chris said (haven't we had this discussion before, Chris? <g>),
> the lyrics can often provide a toehold to getting into the music...
I can buy that. It's not how *I* get into the music, though.
> Echolyn being an excellent example. On the subject of lyrical
> ambiguity... I think that, if done properly, that can be extremely
> powerful as well. For example, if I look at the lyrics to "Surrounded," I
> can admit that I probably couldn't analyze them for their meaning and
> symbolism, etc... But it's the overall feeling conveyed, the ideas only
> hinted at, that make it so powerful. You don't want everything spelled
> out for you. Of course, I hate the current trend of lyrics/poetry being
> random and incomprehensible just for the sake of being random and
> incomprehensible, but if there's actual meaning behind it, it's pretty
> impressive.
Yeah, well, I guess I'm just not that interested in getting to the meaning
behind it.:) To be perfectly honest, interpreting poetry or lyrics isn't
something I'm all that interested in.
Younis Hilal-------------------------------yhilal@uclink.berkeley.edu
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Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 01:11:37 -0500 (EST)
From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Take Away My Pain
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.961206010520.146242A-100000@gnu.uvm.edu>
As I told Derek S. after the Poughkeepsie show, Take Away My Pain
is my favorite of the new songs. For those who haven't heard it, it's in
the ballad (Another Day) vein. Speaking of which, for those who have
heard it and for those who will hear it soon, tell me if I'm crazy: I
think I hear musical references to AD in the song, especially the middle
section. It makes sense since both songs are about JP's late father. Just
something interesting to watch for. I'll be able to confirm my suspisions
today at the New Haven show. See you there.
Richie
P.S. I remember lyrics to the chorus going something like "You took away
my hero, now Take Away My Pain." I can't wait to get the studio version
so I'll be able to understand the lyrics. James sounds incredible!
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Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 21:10:47 +1000
From: nigelb@thehub.com.au (Nigel Bridgeman)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Yes, cd shopping, DT, a plea...
Message-ID: <199612061110.VAA05804@smople.thehub.com.au>
Hiyis
Well, back to my continuing saga with Yes...
(for those who don't remember - or don't care - I'd bought 4 Yes albums -
Close to the Edge, Fragile, Drama and Yesshows and still wasn't convinced I
liked them, yet still bought their albums...)
I bought The Yes Album today, listened to it once so far...
Nothing about it sticks in my mind (apart from the crack down the front of
the case) but I'll give it time...
I'm very proud to announce that I've only bought 2 cds this week, down from
about 7 in the previous week - Time Machine by Joe Satriani and The Yes
Album. I've got 5 cds due to arrive from CDnow next week - Trans-Siberian
Orchestra, Perfect Symmetry (FW), two Savatage cds (Gutter Ballet and Hall
of the Mountain King) and Thrak (King Crimson). 3 cds should arrive
sometime next year from the Australian Compact Disc Club (yes, they've taken
about a month so far) - a Neil Young album, a BB King album and a Black
Crowes album. Not a big fan of either of these, but i had to pick some to
become a member, because i'm hoping i might be able to get a Rush video from
them, but after checking out what Rush cds they have in their catalogue, I'm
not holding my breath. Here's their list of Rush albums:
Chronicles
That's all... I don't have it, actually, so I might get it...
I saw Keys to Ascension (Yes) the other day - $50 Australian, a bit steep
for quite a few tracks, even if they are long ones (ooer). Might wait until
I actually like them a fair bit...
Just a question or two:
How many members of Yes *haven't* left the band at some stage?
What is 'The Wall' by Pink Floyd actually about?
I've got 2 two-hour tapes i'm planning on filling with Rush - one tape
covering the albums up to Moving Pictures, the other from Signals onwards.
Any suggestions on tracklists? I always have to work it out to the exact
second so i don't get half a song... which is why it's always hard.
DTC: I've been listening to Live at the Marquee of late, bally good
album... I'm getting used to hearing James sing The Killing Hand...
Also, while looking in a guitar shop the other day, I saw a poster for
Ibanez with none other than John Petrucci on it! This is the first time
I've seen mention of him anywhere in Australia other than in the albums!
Woohoo!
Well, that's about all for now, kiddies...
Spiff (hoping to get Most Frequent Poster (Australia) for the second month
running...)
PS: To all those people seeing DT live, if you speak to any of the band,
can you ask them when they're coming to Australia? I'd be forever grateful
(as long as they say they're coming here). Thanks!
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Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 12:15:55 +0100 (CET)
From: "SchuBert" <H.M.Peeters@stud.tue.nl>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT opening act
Message-ID: <44158.H.M.Peeters@stud.tue.nl>
Hey, you any of the lucky jammers who saw DT already tell me who was opening
for them? (If they had an opening act, that is).
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Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 04:54:39 -0800
From: "Adam Bertapelle" <bertapel@travelin.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Caught In A....
Message-ID: <96Dec6.045447-0800pdt.148113-27881+144@mm1.sprynet.com>
Check it out! The setlist I took from the stage last night actually has a
title for the new "reworked, rejerked" Caught In A Web. It's called
"Caught In Alice's 9-Inch Tool Garden"
Hilarious!!! LOL!!!
-Adam
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Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 04:54:58 -0800
From: "Adam Bertapelle" <bertapel@travelin.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: SPOILERS!!! The setlist as it reads on stage
Message-ID: <96Dec6.045509-0800pdt.148109-27881+145@mm1.sprynet.com>
Well, after the show stopped, I reached up behind the center monitors and
grabbed the setlist. Here's how it read EXACTLY. I'll put my comments on
after. I was great meeting some of you last night (Rachel, Heath, fish4970
(I don't remember you name, but I can remember that?!?!) Take care all!
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A.C.O.S-- 1 (The Crimson Sunrise)
2 (Innocence)
The Mirror/Lie
Burning My Soul
Another Hand/Killing Hand
Just Let Me Breathe
Caught In Alice's 9-Inch Tool Garden
Peruvian Skies
Pull Me Under
Lines In The Sand
Take Away My Pain
A.C.O.S. -- 4 (The Darkest of Winters)
The Ytse Jam
Learning To Live
A.C.O.S. -- 7 (The Crimson Sunset)
Encore: Metropolis Part 1
approx. 2hr 15min
__________________________________________________________________________
1) ACOS 2 went directly into The Mirror/Lie
2) The Killing Hand had a new jazzier keyboard section just before "When I
go back again, would it be the same..."
3) Peruvian Skies went right into Pull Me Under (dat-dat-dat, dat-dat-dat)
4) ACOS 4 actually started with the end of Carpe Diem, without vocals. (The
part where Myung is doing the crazy bass line, and of course "PLEASE DON'T
GO had to be sung by us)
5) ACOS 4 goes right into Ytse Jam goes right into Learning to Live goes
right into ACOS 7. Take into account that comment #4 was an instrumental,
we didn't see James for about 20 minutes...he had a nice break.
6) Learning to Live had a new addition to the middle section...much more
rocking, but I'm not sure if I preferred it to the original. It was fun to
hear something different.
7) Metropolis had a new instrumental added that sounded to me like it was
borrowed from "Cupid's Dead" by Extreme and "Night Ranger" by Night Ranger.
I think the performance went a little smoother and cleaner on Wednesday's
performance. Einstein opened up...they were OK, but I was hoping to see
Rod Morgenstein/Jordan Ruddess again. Take care!!!
<---- End Forwarded Message ---->
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Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 13:57:50 +0100
From: akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Judas Priest Tributes (obviously NDTC)
Message-ID: <v03007800aecdc5e186d1@[128.178.99.38]>
"Spiff" Nigel wrote:
>I saw a couple of Judas Priest tribute albums the other day, with bands like
>Fates Warning, Overkill and Angra on them.
>
>Does anyone know if these are worth picking up? I'm not a fan of Priest,
>because I haven't heard much of their stuff, but seeing as there's FW and
>Angra on them, I thought they may be interesting to get, seeing as I haven't
>heard either band yet (apart from the Closer to the Heart cover by FW).
Dave, as always approx a week behind on jamz, replies:
There are three volumes coming out. I've only listened to No.1. Apart from
Devin Townsend, all the rest is pretty much crap. This is not half as good
as Working Man. I also read pretty bad critics about Vol. 2 that has also
been released. IOW, You're much better off getting hold of original JPriest
(like Metal Works: double best-of CD). However, there are some good covers
of JPriest out there:
1)Skid Row covering "Delivering the Goods" live and duo with Halford. Real
cool stuff. Appeared on "B-sides Themselves" EP.
2) Annihilator with "Hell Bent for Leather", on their album "Set the World
on Fire", since Jeff Waters is a JPriest addict. Actually, they opened for
JPriest on the "Neverland" tour. This version of HBfL is very close to the
original, with a bigger sound.
3) Angra, covering "Painkiller", recently released on their latest EP "Lost
horizons" (not sure about the name). This is NOT the same version as on the
tribute, as far as I heard. Now this is a big piece and Angra can't really
twist it. But I defy any other band to get closer than this.
Cheers,
.............................................
D A V E K I N G
b a s s & v o x
M T 2 0
p r o g m e t a l
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Date: Fri, 06 Dec 1996 08:28:26 -0800
From: Brian <DreamNDay@dreamt.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Poughkeepsie show again NO SPOILERS
Message-ID: <32A849AA.7377@dreamt.org>
Well, I just wanted to post again, now that I'm not, as D-Man said,
twitching to post at a moments notice :P, I want to say how I'm still
reeling, and am so upset that I can't get a ride to and from the Toad's
show tonight, but I'm lucky enough just to have seen them the other day.
Count your blessings, I guess. Anyway, I want to talk about crowds
first. I was in the front, right in front of JP, and I actually had room
to walk around! That's never happened to me in a pit before. I moshed a
little. I started slamming during CiaW, PMU, and Lines in the sand. Then
I stopped. I had my fun, but DT isn't angry music, so I really didn't
want to mosh the whole show. Some people around me were getting pissed
at the moshers, and they got a little out of hand. I actually thought it
was calm at the beginning, but Jamie (ArchAngel) told me he was in the
balcony and it was CRAZY during the Mirror/Lie on Derek's side. LtL was
insane. There were surfers and people falling on their asses all over
the place. There was this one guy with a KoRn shirt that was surfing and
James says something like "You better give that guy a hand, he's gonna
fall and crack his head open" Guy falls. James: "Told you!".
The other thing that has me reeling is the fact that I didn't get
patted down or checked or anything at the door. I AM GOING TO KICK
MYSELF IN THE ASS FOREVER IF I DON'T GET A COPY OF THAT SHOW!!!!!!!! I
wish I had taped it so much. Anyone tape it?
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"Are you gonna bark all day, little -----
doggie, or are you gonna ---- ------------- ----
bite?"-Micheal Madsen, ---- - ----
Reservoir Dogs -- - - - - - - - --
"Just victims of the in-house - - - - - - -
drive-by. They say jump, - - -- - -- - -
you say 'How high?"-Rage -- - - - - - - - --
Against The Machine ---- - - - ----
later--------------Brian ---- ------------- ----
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Date: Fri, 06 Dec 96 08:28:30 EDT
From: zottpa@consumer.org
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Learning To Live, Slightly Out Of Sync at Poughkeepsie?
Message-ID: <9611068498.AA849890108@gatemaster.consumer.org>
Wednesday night at Poughkeepsie was my first DT show. They are truly
an incredible bunch of musicians and are as tight live as they sound
on the albums. One mistake I did catch was at the beginning of
Learning to live, when Derek started with the keyboards and Mike came
in with the drums. It seemed that either Derek was playing too slow
or Portnoy came in too fast. My ears picked up a problem, and when I
looked at Derek, I saw him stop playing for about 3 seconds. He
tilted his head towards his monitor, and had an expression of
concentration as he listened to pick up the beat. He then came back
in on time and resumed the rest of the show flawlessly.
I am in no way trying to pick on Derek or the rest of the band.
Personally, I think that MP possibly came in too fast since Derek set
the tempo, unless they were both listening to a sync track. My
problem is that Mike is such a good time keeper that I almost want to
feel that Derek started slow, or slowed down at some point. Once
again, this is not meant to put down DT or shadow the rest of the
nights flawless performance, it's just that Learning to live is
probably my favorite DT song, and I've often listened to the beginning
part to hear how the drums and keyboards syncopate. Did anyone catch
this tiny mistake, or did I hear and see something that didn't happen?
PZ
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