YTSEJAM Digest 2079
Today's Topics:
1) Gunther
by SandS@challserv.challenger.net (Sally Murphy)
2) MARYLAND JAMMERS!!!! PAY ATTENTION!!!
by "Kevin W. Madden" <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
3) Thoughts about stuff
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
4) crowds
by "Stephen Sweeney" <Dalamar@bee.net>
5) nuno
by "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
6) lyrics again
by Tiffany Jean Meyers <meyerstj@whitman.edu>
7) I NEED ONE NEW HAVEN TICKET
by Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU>
8) Re: crowds
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
9) Never mind
by Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU>
10) TOOL/answering machine, lil bit o DTC
by greg <deutelgk@UCBEH.SAN.UC.EDU>
11) Re: lyrics
by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
12) Re: fix for 96 shows
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
13) Magna Carta's email address????
by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
14) DT and "cupid's dead"
by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
15) Re: fix for 96 shows
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
16) RE: many thanksgiving replies....
by Alan Estrada Adler <al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
17) ** Prog Metal radio setlist #9 **
by "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net>
18) seeking info on some prog metal groups.
by sykes@earth.inwave.com
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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 16:25:33 -0600
From: SandS@challserv.challenger.net (Sally Murphy)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Gunther
Message-ID: <19961205222532987.AAA698@SandS>
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REPORTING LIVE FROM THE "LOOK BEFORE YOU LEAP" DEPARTMENT: German rock star
GUNTHER DEITZ crashed to his death when peeved fans refused to catch him in a
crowd-diving stunt. Heavy metal idol Deitz died instantly as he smashed into
the concrete floor after yelling "Catch me!" He regularly stage-dived as a
climax to his show, but fans - annoyed he'd turned up an hour late and then
sacked his guitarist -stepped out of his way instead of catching him. As he
hit the
concrete, a roar went round the packed stadium in Hamburg, Germany. Fan EGOR
PROSNECKI, 18, said, "He got what he deserved." Wow. Tough crowd*
(that was on the metaverse.com site or something)
---Yes, I'm way behind, and, yes, I probably will hate myself for revealing this, but this little "clip" was originally printed in "The Weekly World News." I recall reading this little bit and thinking it was pretty funny. Sigh. I still dream of being a writer for the "News." Doesn't everyone? ;-)
Shane ************************************************************************* * Shane Hunziker 12625 Coursey Blvd., #1046 * * SandS@mail.challenger.net Baton Rouge, LA 70816 * ************************************************************************* * And she listens openly * Now Playing: * * He pours his soul into the water * * * reflecting the mystery * Nothing * * She carries him away * * * and the winds die slowly * * * "Lifting Shadows Off a Dream" * * * D R E A M T H E A T E R * * *************************************************************************
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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 23:26:08 GMT From: "Kevin W. Madden" <kwmadden@pipeline.com> To: The Seventh Son of a Seventh Son <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: MARYLAND JAMMERS!!!! PAY ATTENTION!!! Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19961205182401.2adf390a@pop.pipeline.com>
Ok, all you Maryland people on the jam, who among you is planning to go to the Birch Hill show? I would like to go, and I am even willing to provide the transportation...So, what do you say? E-mail me at <kwmadden@pipeline.com> and put something in the subject header relating to DT because I get 40 e-mails a day from another list, the majority of which are promptly deleted... Pat? Backof? Mau? etc... BTW, I live over near the Bay Bridge, so if you live in Western MD forget it! DC area is cool, plus anything in between or on the way or whatever! Let me know.
Thanks for your patience, non-Marylanders.
Kevin
GO PACKERS!!! GO WINGS!!!
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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 18:34:56 -0500 (EST) From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu> To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Thoughts about stuff Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9612051827.A25586-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: bmajik@abeln625b.unl.edu (Matt Evans) > Subject: Jason Becker, Cacophony Explained :) > > guys, if you really want to hear nuno bettencourt shred, get the bill n' ted > sound track. the first track is done by extreme and its the song that > "beethoven" is playing in the music store in the mall. its incredible, not to > mention catchy as hell :)
If I remember correctly (and I'm not saying I do, cause I don't own the B&T I soundtrack), the song is "Play With Me" and is on their first album "Extreme."
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> From: BLevy@aol.com > Subject: POUGHKIPSIE!!!!! (Some Spoilers...) > > out, and our VIP starts chatting with him. Within the next hour, alomst > everyone from the band (except John M, Of course, He is either on stage > fiddling with his Bass & rack, or out of sight) comes by to say HI. All were > very personable, NO ATTITUDES!!! This was my first chance to meet JLB as I
I'd like to second this. I met all the members after Birch Hell last year, and JP, Mike, and Derek various times afterwards. (And Derek again last night). These guys are the most personable, friendly, non-assuming professional musicians you'll ever want to meet. Derek was *genuinely* interested in how the new stuff sounded to us. We couldn't have picked a better band to follow. :)
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> From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu> > Subject: Last chance for shirts this year... > > I just wanted to remind you all to get your checks in now if you want to > get a Ytsejam shirt before Christmas. Any orders recieved after next
And it's got the official Derek Sherinian seal of approval! :)
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary & Webmaster cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html
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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 19:02:55 -0500 From: "Stephen Sweeney" <Dalamar@bee.net> To: "YtseJam" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: crowds Message-ID: <19961206000321618.AAA84@Dalamar>
I have a question of all the people who have seen DT shows recently this year. I went to Birch Hill last year and thought the show was truly amazing, the only problem I had was people trying to mash <mosh...pick whatever spelling you like>. So my question simply becomes: Have the crowds realized that a DT concert is not the time or place to do so?
Thanks and take care
MalletMan
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Date: 05 Dec 96 15:46:44 -0800 From: "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: nuno Message-ID: <199612060007.QAA10995@mailsun3-fddi.us.oracle.com>
someone wrote: >guys, if you really want to hear nuno bettencourt shred, get the bill n' ted >sound track. the first track is done by extreme and its the song that >"beethoven" is playing in the music store in the mall. its incredible, not to >mention catchy as hell :) Forget that! Get Extreme's first (self-titled) album instead - has the song (Play With Me) on it. He shreds on the whole disc.. -Neil. /===============================================================\ | Neil Evans Phone: 415.506.3503 | | Server Technologies Division Fax: 415.506.7370 | | Oracle Corporation email: nevans@us.oracle.com | \===============================================================/
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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 16:16:17 -0800 (PST) From: Tiffany Jean Meyers <meyerstj@whitman.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: lyrics again Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.961205155248.16493B-100000@marcus.whitman.edu>
Ah... The voice is an instrument, just as legitimate as guitar or drums or keys or whatever. To ignore the lyrics of a song, in songs that have meaningful lyrics like most of DT's, is to miss a significant part of the experience (as I said before). Example: yes, it's possible to enjoy a song without paying attention to individual instruments--ignore the guitars, ignore the drums... But I think most people would agree that you have a much deeper appreciation of the music if you DO pay attention to everything. Publishing the lyrics seperately? Why? They're part of the song. You wouldn't suggest that the keys part be taken out of a song and released as a single for those who like keyboards, so the people who don't care much about them wouldn't have to listen. (All right, it's not exactly the same thing, but it's close.) Also, as Chris said (haven't we had this discussion before, Chris? <g>), the lyrics can often provide a toehold to getting into the music... Echolyn being an excellent example. On the subject of lyrical ambiguity... I think that, if done properly, that can be extremely powerful as well. For example, if I look at the lyrics to "Surrounded," I can admit that I probably couldn't analyze them for their meaning and symbolism, etc... But it's the overall feeling conveyed, the ideas only hinted at, that make it so powerful. You don't want everything spelled out for you. Of course, I hate the current trend of lyrics/poetry being random and incomprehensible just for the sake of being random and incomprehensible, but if there's actual meaning behind it, it's pretty impressive. Chris: Nice three-fold answer on the lyrics. Does it hurt, sitting on the fence like that? <g> And you stole my quote! (The meek dirt thing. :) Well, at least you listened to the tape. I was afraid to ask. <g>
Rambling with no apparent point,
Tiffany
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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 19:37:47 -0500 From: Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: I NEED ONE NEW HAVEN TICKET Message-ID: <v03007800aecd1a814df3@[18.220.0.27]>
Jammers,
After believing that I had a ticket for the New Haven show tomorrow (This has happened twice so far...), I no longer have a ticket for the show. So, if there is some Jammer out there who has a spare ticket and is willing to sell it to me, I would be very, very grateful. I don't know if tickets are available at the door, but I'm not going to travel 2 1/2 hours to find that out. So, please, someone come through for me. I need to see DT at least once!!!
Bogie
-------------------------------------------------- Nick Bogovich MIT bogie@mit.edu http://web.mit.edu/bogie/ -------------------------------------------------- "If you want something done right, just forget it."
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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 19:38:02 -0500 (EST) From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org> To: Stephen Sweeney <Dalamar@bee.net> Subject: Re: crowds Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.961205193428.16364A-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
> I have a question of all the people who have seen DT shows recently this > year. I went to Birch Hill last year and thought the show was truly > amazing, the only problem I had was people trying to mash <mosh...pick > whatever spelling you like>. So my question simply becomes: Have the > crowds realized that a DT concert is not the time or place to do so?
just to clarify: the term is slamming.
as for slammin' at a dt show, i don't think it's _THAT_ out of line. being one of those who occasionally slam, there are some great tunes to slam to (ciaw espically). the audience that dt brings together is a diverse group, and with that there's gonna be some sort of confrentation.
slamming isn't a bad thing, tho. there have been many shows i've seen (the mighty mighty bosstones, espically) where you not only slam but can dance onstage (albeit for a very small time). there have been shows (like helmet & tool) where there is a baraicade where the slammers can't reach the artists.
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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 19:48:19 -0500 From: Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Never mind Message-ID: <v03007804aecd1da80bc3@[18.220.0.27]>
Fellow Jammers,
Sorry to take up bandwidth, but I don't need a ticket for tomorrow's show. I can't make it anyways. I hope to see some of you next weekend.
Bogie
-------------------------------------------------- Nick Bogovich MIT bogie@mit.edu http://web.mit.edu/bogie/ -------------------------------------------------- "If you want something done right, just forget it."
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Date: Thu, 05 Dec 1996 13:56:16 -0500 (EST) From: greg <deutelgk@UCBEH.SAN.UC.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: TOOL/answering machine, lil bit o DTC Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.91.961205134118.1124080170A-100000@UCBEH.SAN.UC.EDU>
wow, i think this is my 1st post in prbably about 8 months....so much for lurking! Just so this has something to do w/DT, i had the random urge to flip on the radio the other day....only to hear Lie!!! even tho they chopped the end, i was still in shock. after the song, the dj's were talking about "what ever happened to those guys? maybe we'll see some new material soon..." could there be hope for DT/radio? nah, it'll never happen. oh, just fyi, this was on 102.7 in cincinnati. now, the real story behind my post:
> What do you think of that one track...don't remember the name or the > number...but the one where that seemingly Mexican (?) guy goes on and on > about how much Americans suck and are stupid? Very interesting... > > -Nate
the story is something where the guy leaving the message was living w/the tool guys for a bit. i dont remember why or who the guy was, but i guess he was being a pain in most possible ways so the guys kicked him out. for whatever reason he couldnt see how intolerable he had been and got all pissed off and left that message. thats what i remember from danny's explanation of the track a few weeks ago when i saw them. i wasnt listening real closely, but i think i'm fairly accurate. hope that explains whats up. greg
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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 18:39:52 +0000 From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: lyrics Message-ID: <199612060149.SAA02046@cyberhighway.net>
> Well, as I see it, I'm not a musician, but I think if you write music it is > because you want to express something. Some feeling that you have about some > political topic, a feeling, or just to get something out of your mind. I > here don't consider just expressing your ability as music, rather exhibitionism.
Well, I like to consider myself a musician, but I seldom (if ever) write songs that way. Lyrics, I do, but not the music. Generally, I don't write songs with lyrics in them, because the lyrics tend to control the song, and I don't like that, especially if the lyrics were written by another person. The stuff I generally write tends to be dark, yet passionate. I like to get myself into a nice depression and then sit down at the key/fretboard. Depression, to me, makes it all spill out easier. I can then put all of my emotion into it. Whenever I end up writing a "happy" song, I dump it. I dunno. Maybe I'm weird, but this is the way I do it. How else do you do it?
>picked up fates warning's inside out today.. i'd always wondered what >that little scroll of shapes down the side meant, i guess i never >looked close enough. it's cool once you see it :)
Like, Duh, Rip. :P (Took me while to figure out too though. :) I also like the turtle (tortoise, rather) on the inside cover. I'm still trying to figger out what it's there for. :) Is this Ray's little pet? (don't laugh, I've got one, too.)
Mooooo! KorgX3 NOT The "Other" Ibanez (anymore) ibanez@cyberhighway.net "Well, I try to write music that Indiana Jones would listen to." --David Arkenstone
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Date: Thu, 05 Dec 1996 21:53:41 -0500 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: fix for 96 shows Message-ID: <32A78AB5.730@caribe.net>
Wronskian wrote: > > If anyone has the opportunity to record any of the shows, who you be so > willing to possibly trade with us less fortunate students who wont be > able to attend the shows due to final exam conflicts. please email me.
Yeah! and to those of us who couldnt travel the distance cuz were just in high school and we dont have 700$ to spare for a plane tix..
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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 20:52:48 -0500 (EST) From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Magna Carta's email address???? Message-ID: <v01520d00aecce6ec5cae@[207.90.116.152]>
Could somebody please email me with Magna Carta's email address?
Thank you, Dan
---+ +--- Dan Temmesfeld - dantemm@erinet.com / s1133627@cedarville.edu "Home of the Galactic Cowboys Page" http://www.cedarville.edu/student/s1133627/gcowboys.htm ---+ +---
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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 20:57:03 -0500 (EST) From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT and "cupid's dead" Message-ID: <v01520d01aecce7db94dd@[207.90.116.202]>
> They through in a little bit piece of "Cupids Dead" by > Extreme during the middle of Metropolis.
f-in' awesome...extreme WILL live on!!!
:) :(
later, Dan
---+ +--- Dan Temmesfeld - dantemm@erinet.com / s1133627@cedarville.edu "Home of the Galactic Cowboys Page" http://www.cedarville.edu/student/s1133627/gcowboys.htm ---+ +---
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Date: Thu, 05 Dec 1996 22:11:43 -0500 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: fix for 96 shows Message-ID: <32A78EEF.1439@caribe.net>
Carlos Alfaro wrote: > > Wronskian wrote: > > > > If anyone has the opportunity to record any of the shows, who you be so > > willing to possibly trade with us less fortunate students who wont be > > able to attend the shows due to final exam conflicts. please email me. > > Yeah! and to those of us who couldnt travel the distance cuz were just > in high school and we dont have 700$ to spare for a plane tix..
I forgot to add... if someone took pics..or takes pics.. put them up on the web (those who can) ..and if someone recorded them..well..id give my right eye!! hehe.. i cant wait for the cd(s) ?? hehe ..
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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 21:33:35 -0600 From: Alan Estrada Adler <al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx> To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: RE: many thanksgiving replies.... Message-ID: <199612060333.VAA47827@academ03.mty.itesm.mx>
At 12:26 PM 5/12/96 -0800, Kent Cowgill wrote: > >Nuno uses a delay for 'Flight of the Wounded Bumblebee'... a delay that >plays the note he just played (once) and does it shortly after he finished >playing it. What does that mean? He plays, say, a single thirty-second >note. What we *hear*, however, is two very quick thirty-second notes, in >rapid succession. > >So in reality, Nuno's playing exactly *half* as fast as it sounds on the >CD, with his effects filling in every other note for him. This is >unrefutably given away at the very end with all the tapping. > >
anyway Nuno's creativity is great, for those who havent heard about his Solo release read guitar magazine for a review or visit jason Kramer's Extreme Korner, this is a great page with all Extreme related, it is also home of netgraffitti (Extreme mailing list) you can subscribe to it sending a message saying subscribe to netgraffitti, Nuno's speed is great, you can see that on Warheads, When Im President, Play with me solo (I have it on a live video) and many other songs, it is a shame that extreme disappeared because they were a great group, but I hope Nuno has the success that he deserves (as a guitarist, shreder or musician, whatever he want to be), If you hear Dweezil Zappa Confessions you can hear Nuno singing on a song called "the kiss" and plays some great cello parts on other song.... Nuno is one of my favorite musicians/guitarists, whatever.... if anyone taped the show that has Metropolis with a cupids dead part on it please email me, I want to hear it...or if anyone wants a copy of my live video from extreme....visit my homepage to see my complete bootleg collection...thanks...
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Stay cool... at least somebody's cool as you @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @ Alan Estrada Adler @ @ @ @al766074@academ01.mty.itesm.mx@ @ @ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
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Date: Thu, 05 Dec 1996 23:37:42 -0500 From: "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: ** Prog Metal radio setlist #9 ** Message-ID: <32A7A316.106C@earthlink.net>
Whats up people,
School is steadily coming to a close (Manhattan College..Bronx, NY) and my beloved show will be no more. The responses I have gotten over the 'net has been amazing and has totally surpassed any expectations I had when I started this show. Of course, if these responses could equal the response from my brain-dead audience then I would feel like my music was actually reaching some people here. Its been pretty discouraging to the point that I'm not sure its worth my effort to put together another show next semester. If I'm basically playing to myself then whats the use? One high point was when I actually got a request for some GAMMA RAY and STRATOVARIUS. At least I'm reaching someone! Anyhow, if I have a lot of time between classes like I did this semester I'll do it again. But this time I'll make sure to get a time slot when the cafeteria is full so I can cause maximum damage! For my final week I wanna have an all-out instrumental blast!!! Should be cool!
here 'ya go:
RUSH: "Natural Science" FATES WARNING: "Fata Morgana" CONCEPTION: "Parallel Minds" NEVERMORE: "Sanity Assassin" HELLOWEEN: "Ride The Sky" MANOWAR: "Battle Hymn" QUEENSRYCHE: "The Lady Wore Black" (unplugged) BLIND GUARDIAN: "Goodbye My Friend" ANGRA: "Evil Warning"
*news*
ELDRITCH: "Incurably Ill" ELDRITCH: "Colors" X-WILD: "Theatre Of Blood" ANNIHILATOR: "Imperiled Eyes" RAGE: "Enough Is Enough" IRON MAIDEN: "Alexander The Great" HELSTAR: "Harker's Tale (Mass of Death)" MEGADETH: "Holy Wars...The Punishment Due"
HELSTAR's "Nosferatu" album is a melodic prog-metal masterpiece! Metal Blade has just re-released it (along with LETHAL's "Programmed")...go BUY IT!!!
cheers, Carlo
-- _ __| |__ "When you know that your time is close at hand |__ __| maybe then you'll begin to understand | | Life down here is just a strange illusion." | | |_|
--IRON MAIDEN (Hallowed Be Thy Name)
"Neo-classical, progressive, melodic metal"
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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 10:45:25 -0600 From: sykes@earth.inwave.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: seeking info on some prog metal groups. Message-ID: <199612051645.KAA12310@earth.inwave.com>
Hi there, was wondering if some jammers could give me an idea of the styles of music of the following bands I am considering picking up.
Tourniquet - albums "Pathogenic Occular Dissonance" and "Psycho Surgery." Are these guys anything like Believer? I have the album "Dimensions" and like it very much.
Masquerade - "Surface of Pain" Metal Blade catalogue describes as "Swedish progressive metal." Any comparisons?
Dead Horse - "Peaceful death and the pretty flowers" Hmmm.
Helstar - "A Distant Thunder" and "Nosferatu" I've only heard good things about these guys, but can't remember any stylistic references.
I'm planning on rounding out my Anacrusis collection; currently I have "Scerams and Whispers." Metal Blade is making "Manic Impressions" "Reason" and "Suffering Hour" available, are these albums in the same vein as "S_a_W?"
Thanks a lot to any who can help me out with reccomendations.
-doug currently listening to Metal Massacre XII compilation (has Divine Reagle)
ps - Eagerly awaiting next FW album, sounds like it is really gonna be a winner. I've been a listener since I saw the video for "Silent Cries" on Headbangers ball. Getting Marc Zonder was the best thing that happened to that band! Definitely my fave drummer (sorry Mike P. you're a close 2nd!)
| If it's worth doing, it's worth overdoing. | | sykes@inwave.com |
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