YTSEJAM Digest 2087
Today's Topics:
1) Our 48-hour Dream Theater Road Trip
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
2) Providence get together!!!
by Jason Breitweg <jbreitwe@hep.physics.wisc.edu>
3) blank digests and Rush in Rolling Stone
by jefffalk@bu.edu (Jeffrey Falk)
4) Pull Me Un
by Andy Garner <agarner@netcomuk.co.uk>
5) Lyrics, Concert partners
by rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
6) ALS/Jason Becker
by rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
7) The liquid courtship
by rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
8) Hell Hath No Fury Like A Man With No Cable...
by Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
9) Question
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2086
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
11) question..
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
12) Becker, T Ride
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
13) Prog Bands Question, Chicago Jammers thing
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
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Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 14:59:59 -0500 (EST)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Our 48-hour Dream Theater Road Trip
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9612081404.B26821-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
Man, what a fucking trip. I just got back home about a half an hour ago
from Friday's show. Why, you ask? Well, it's a long story.
We (Richie and I) left Burlington, VT around 3:00 pm on Friday. We got
gas, got Richie's gf, and were on the road. Now, the first stop was in
Monpelier, VT, so that Richie could get a new registration for his
truck. (That was based upon the advise of the NYS Police.) So, we drove
around Montpelier for about 20 minutes trying to find the DMV. We
finally did, Richie got his plates, and we were on the road again by
around 4:30.
Interstate 91 in southern Vermont was a fucking mess. VT does not know
how to plow their roads. As soon as we crossed the border into MA
(literally, like 5 feet after the border) the roads were once again
drivable. Phew. So, we got to New Haven, met up with Richie's sister at
Yale, where we would be staying that night. Finally got to the club
about 30 minutes before Rod and Jordan took the stage.
Richie and I got our backstage passes (w00t!) and enjoyed both
performances. (You've already seen the reviews. Mike *does* have a good
singing voice, btw. :) Met up with Skadz, Mike B, Wacky, Jeremy H,
Wisha, Adam, and a few other people that I can't remember right now.
(It's been a long weekend.) So, after the show, we were herded upstairs
to the skybox to wait for the band. After about a 20 minute wait,
someone noticed that Mike was downstairs with his wife, talking to
someone. So, we all went downstairs to talk to him. Mike's a truly
great guy. I could tell that he really wanted to get home, but he stayed
and talked to us anyway. (BTW, Mike is going to get in touch with me so
that we can make sure that the FAQ is 100% accurate. It'll be even
better than it is now!)
At this point it was 2:30, and it didn't appear that we were going to
meet anyone else from the band, so we left. It was only a couple of
blocks to Lauri's dorm, and we settled in. I actually managed to read a
little e-mail and do a little IRC on her POS Powerbook before turning in
at around 4:00 am.
We woke up Saturday to realize that it was already 2:00 in the afternoon,
so we decided to get going. We had to walk about 15 minutes in the rain
to get to where we parked the car, because you can't ride the Yale
Shuttle Bus unless you have a Yale ID. (They were actually going to try
to pass me off as a high school senior visiting the school! The only 24
year old goatee-wearing high school senior there is, I'd bet.) We got to
the car, got gas, and were finally on the road by 3:30.
Here comes the fun part. We got into Vermont by sometime around 7:00 pm
or so. The snow was coming down HARD. After sliding around on the
interstate a bit, we decided it would be best to get off and find
someplace to stay. Turns out we got off the highway in a little hamlet
called Bellows Falls. As it turns out, a friend of mine here at UVM is
from Bellows Falls, so I thought maybe we could stay at her parents'
place Saturday night. We pulled into a gas station, and I went to the
pay phone. I called Sherri, my friend up here, and she said she would
try to get in touch with her father. About 5 minutes after I hung up,
the power went out in this gas station/deli thingie, and the phone with
it. So, there we were, hanging out in the middle of nowhere, in a total
blackout, in a snowstorm, on a Saturday night, with no snow tires, no
four wheel drive, with a couple of strangers, and not knowing a soul for
miles.
The good people at this gas station offered to give us a ride to the
local motel. Of course, no one had enough room for the three of us, so
Richie and Jill left there at about 8:30 in one car, and I was going to
get a ride with the next people leaving. The next people didn't leave
till 9:00. I can just imagine what Richie and Jill were thinking.
Finally, I climbed into a stranger's Jeep, and off we went. "BF is just
up the road," said the driver. I wasn't sure if he meant Bellows Falls,
or Butt Fuck. "Good ol' Fellow's Balls," he said, as we pulled into
town. Street lights! We're in civilization again! Then, we got to the
motel, and the lights were all out. Richie registered a room by
candlelight.
Finally, a little while later, power was restored, and we were able to
make a couple of phone calls, and to assure our friends that we were
alive and fairly dry. Of course, the power went out again, so that we
could not receive any more phone calls, or watch the end of Saturday
Night Live. (And No Doubt was on, too!) With no candles, and no access
to the rest of the world, we decided to call it a night.
I woke up at around 8:30 this morning (it feels like a week ago already),
took a shower, and we got breakfast. Long live the words "Free
Continental Breakfast"! All day Saturday, all I had was two Twinkies, a
Hostess Apple Pie, and a bottle of Mountain Dew. (It was the Dew that
kept me alive, I swear!) Oh, yeah, and a lot of cigarettes. So, now
we're clean and fed, but we're still stranded in the middle of fucking
nowhere. We call 1-800 ICY ROAD (no shit). The message basically says,
"It may look like a picture postcard out there, but you're out of your
fucking mind if you get in a car today. Good morning, and welcome to
1-800 Icy Road." Everyone was predicting a foot of snow or more today.
And the one place in town that sells snow tires is closed on Sunday. I
realized, though, that I had been outside in only a t-shirt, and I wasn't
cold. And it wasn't snowing. And the road outside was clear! We
decided to make a break for it.
We called back Mr. Lafayette, the nice man that drove Richie and Jill to
the motel while I waited at the gas station for what seemed like an
eternity last night. He came by, and the four of us took a nice, cozy
ride back to the gas station. Well, the truck was still there, even
though it was covered in about 5 inches of snow. "Let's do it," we
agreed. And off we went. After finally finding the entrance back onto
the interstate, we drove another two hours in some serious ass-kickin'
wind conditions. But we made it back, finally. And none worse for the
wear. Now, I'm going to find some real food to chase down this morning's
honey bun, and watch some football in my own home. Thank Ged for small
favors.
The 48-hour DT road trip. Next time, they better perform in Vermont, cause
I am *not* making this trip again.
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Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 14:02:08 -0600
From: Jason Breitweg <jbreitwe@hep.physics.wisc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Providence get together!!!
Message-ID: <199612082003.MAA23648@pawn.ax.com>
Hi everyone,
A friend and I are flying in from Chicago for the Providence show. We
will be arriving at 4:30pm in the afternoon. Early I know, but
playing it safe considering the weather and all. We shall be hanging
out with my friends Pat and Joe from Boston at the Trinity Brewhouse.
this place has drinks and eats. Here are directions to this place from
the front of the Strand as told to me by an expert *grin*.
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The place we're thinking about going is the Trinity Brewpub. It's just a
little microbrewery/restaurant about 2 blocks from the Strand. If you are in
front of the Strand, turn left and go down the street next to the building
to the next street down. Turn left and walk about 3 (?) blocks or so. If I
remember correctly, it's right there. If you can't find it, just rejoin the
masses near the Strand. We'll look for you there before we head over.
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So I haven't heard any better ideas so this sounds like a fine place
for me. I am not sure if they are 21+ but I don't care since I am 24
*grin*. You can check out my picture on my web page. I will have on
a black ytsejam shirt and a black leather jacket with a DT and Blind
Guardian patch on the back. Just go "hey J-Man" and say hello.
Anyway I am outta here. I look forward to meeting other jammers in
Providence. It is going to be a killer show! Adios.
Jason
-- Jason Breitweg jbreitwe@hep.physics.wisc.edu, breitweg@amzeus.desy.de http://lobelia.physics.wisc.edu/jbreitwe, http://www-zeus.desy.de/~breitweg "The Gods Made Heavy Metal And It's Never Gonna Die!" - MANOWAR------------------------------
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 16:45:25 -0500 From: jefffalk@bu.edu (Jeffrey Falk) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: blank digests and Rush in Rolling Stone Message-ID: <v01540b01aed0e36c0244@[128.197.8.105]>
>> On Sat, 7 Dec 1996 ytsejam@ax.com wrote: >ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!......What's up with these blank jams? So I'm not the only one that's gotten those?
>i haven't seen the article myself, but someone on a bbs i'm on posted >that it's just a small Q&A thing with geddy. He also posted that there >was in interview with neil in the Houston Press in which neil says: > >"Geddy told mee an interesting thing the other day - that when he was doing a >small Q&A session for Rolling Stone, the writer let slip that we are their >readers' number one most requested group for them to do a full story on," Peart >says. "But they won't because of who they are and who we are. That's a trip, >if you ask me. We're just not cool enough for them. But that's okay, because >they're not cool enough for us." >> If Neil really said that, than my admiration for him has gone up even more. I couldn't have come up with a better response than, "we're not cool enough for them ... but they're not cool enough for us." Rush is too good for the journalistic equivalent of eMpTyV, Toilet Paper with Pictures (Rolling Stone). (Now why did Geddy let them interview him?) If I could find the original Houston Press interview, I would send it to those morons along with a letter openly announcing Neil's comments to the mindless dolts who read that garbage. I wonder if they'd print it. Maybe I'll see some of you at The Strand (but since I'm the most loathed list member, I won't count on it).
Jeff Falk Box 3208 700 Commonwealth Avenue Boston, Massachusetts 02215 (617) 352-8639 jefffalk@bu.edu
"Why had she always felt that joyous sense of confidence when looking at machines?-she thought. In these giant shapes, two aspects pertaining to the inhuman were radiantly absent: the causeless and the purposeless. Every part of the motors was an embodied answer to "Why?" and "What for?"-like the steps of a life-course chosen by the sort of mind she worshipped. The motors were a moral code cast in steel." Ayn Rand, _Atlas Shrugged_
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Date: Sun, 08 Dec 1996 21:46:34 -0800 From: Andy Garner <agarner@netcomuk.co.uk> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Pull Me Un Message-ID: <32ABA7BA.1A17@netcomuk.co.uk>
Hi from the UK to all fellow jammers.
I realise this might be a FAQ but can anyone tell me why Pull Me Under comes to such an abrupt end on IAW?
Here in the UK I have been lucky enough to find plenty of DT CD's over here - in fact I managed to pick up three apbums at just #8 ($12) each!!!. That may not be such a big deal over in the US but CD prices over here are almost the same in sterling as they are in dollars, sometimes more making CD's here 50-100% more expensive in the UK. Sickening, huh?
Can anyone tell me more about Fates Warning. I read some stuff about them a few weeks ago and would like to know what they sound like. There is one of their CD's for sale on a market stall for #7.
Any of you fellow jammers heard anything by UK band Threshold? They are pretty good and have had three albums to date with a fourth due in the new year.
Some other bands I would like to hear about include
Shadow Gallery Magellan Enchant and any other good bands you think I ought to check out
Andy
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Date: Sun, 08 Dec 1996 22:26:22 GMT From: rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Lyrics, Concert partners Message-ID: <32ab3f1c.6166484@mail.inforamp.net>
Hey Kids!
>Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 09:04:05 -0800 (PST) >From: Tiffany Jean Meyers <meyerstj@whitman.edu>
> Yes, instrumental music is >cool, and a form of art of which I wish I had more mastery, to convey >feelings with notes and inspire an emotional response in the listener. >But to be able to put those emotions into words... That's not easy >either, and I respect it when I find a band whose lyrics actually mean >something. I think if you're ignoring lyrics on a song, you're missing >half of the experience. Just MHO. :) Maybe I'm biased 'cause I'm an >English major.
Very nicely phrased. :)
This effectively relates my perspective with respect to song construction. I consider the words in songs to be the interactive component. They draw the listener in and allow him to play a part in the story. Naturally, it is possible to accompany the track on your particular instrument, but most of us cannot match the mastery of our favorite instrumentalists. I know for certain that I am NOT JP. :) Besides, I can't drive my car and play at the same time! :)
>Date: Tue, 03 Dec 1996 18:36:41 +0100 >From: Martin Saleteg <marsal-6@student.luth.se>
>>listened to DT that much. SO my question is...how do I get her to >really >>want to go and have a good time while she is there??? I would >appricate >>the ladies here to help me out as well. Thaks a million!!!! Later!! > >>Dan > >Hey Dan. Don't make your girlfriend go if she doesn't want to. I >wouldn't have done such a thing to my girlfriend.
I would have to agree with Martin. If you force her to go, she'll have such a terrible time that you won't enjoy yourself either. If you paid for both the tickets under the impression that she WOULD go, POLITELY ask her to reimburse you for her ticket. If she's okay with it, go with someone else. If not, sell your ticket and spend the evening doing something with her that you both enjoy. That way, you'll show her that there are no hard feelings. :)
Cheers,
Rick Toronto
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Date: Sun, 08 Dec 1996 22:26:30 GMT From: rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: ALS/Jason Becker Message-ID: <32ab3ff0.6378055@mail.inforamp.net>
Hi,
>Date: Tue, 03 Dec 1996 20:36:15 +0000 >From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
>When bad things happen to good people: > >When someone very close to you is there right >in front of your face but you can't make "contact", it's worse than >torture. Believe me when I say that it's better now for him and all >around him.
I completely agree.
I know someone locally who is afflicted with ALS. He lost his mother to the disease when she was in he early thirties. At age 26, he was diagnosed with it. Although he is now receiving a test drug which has slowed the progress of the disease to a considerable extent, he makes no bones about the fact that he will not allow himself to be trapped in a body that is little more than a prison. He compares having watched his mother die to the existence of the character in the Metallica video for One; No movement, no quality of life and no communication with the outside world. I have no doubt that he will ask someone to "take care of matters" for him when the disease nears it's final stages, assuming that the drug does not allow him time to wait for a cure. Jason can be credited with being a tremendous and inspirational talent, possessed of a wonderful heart and spirit. His example should lead us all to step back and look at the challenges we face in our own lives. We complain bitterly over the slightest inconveniences which pale in comparison to the torment of one who is afflicted with such a terrible wasting disease. Jason helps us to realize that challenges can be met "head on" under the most adverse conditions.
Cheers,
Rick Toronto
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Date: Sun, 08 Dec 1996 22:26:34 GMT From: rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: The liquid courtship Message-ID: <32ab4029.6435122@mail.inforamp.net>
Good afternoon,
>Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 17:36:35 -0500 >From: Sk8rJay@aol.com
>On the 7th day drink two glasses of water and say the name >of the person you like. Within 11 days that person will either say he/she >loves you or ask you out.
Hey!! It WORKS!!!
I said Sue's name and found out that we're married!
Does that mean that she has to ask me out?
:)
Cheers,
Rick Toronto
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Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 16:16:35 -0800 From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Hell Hath No Fury Like A Man With No Cable... Message-ID: <199612070016.QAA13403@main.cfmc.com>
Best song under a minute? "Mother's Day" by Nuclear Assault. Or something like that....
Actually, "Go To Hell" is cool. Those intros on the Testament records are cool, too, but I'm not sure they qualify as real Honest-to-Allah songs.
Symphonic vs. Progressive Music:
Prog is a popular term, at least in English-speaking countries, for the type of music played by Rush, Genesis, and Yes. You hear "Art rock" a lot, too, but that's a dangerous one, since it's sometimes applied to bands like Sonic Youth, which aren't all that close to traditionally Prog bands (although I think they actually DO have a lot in common). Symphonic, I think, has to apply to bands that write longer, more complex pieces, a la Pink Floyd and Magma. Dream Theater applies, but less so, I think, in many ways (though Pink Floyd's music is also atmospheric, which ISN'T necessarily a symphonic trait). At any rate, all of those terms seem more or less synonymous.
The use of "progressive" to refer to the politics of a band is certainly valid, but there's a real reaction among leftist bands (which normally DON'T play "Art Rock"), like many punk bands, against "Progressive" music and, hence, don't want to be referred to as such.
Adam D. Barnhart adamb@cfmc.com ydnt85a@prodigy.com
Five Gratuitous CD's: ===================== 1. Rush: Test For Echo 2. Tony MacAlpine: Edge of Insanity 3. Dar Williams: The Honesty Room 4. Dar Williams: Mortal City 5. Dream Theater: Live At The Marquee
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Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 20:29:10 +0100 From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> To: "'The Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Question Message-ID: <01BBE565.AA0A9B20@Kes.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>
Got a question for you guys... What "Alice In Chains" song was played during both the "Images and Words" tour as well as the "Waking up the World" tour ? I'm talking about the intro-tape they played, just before the guys got on the stage...
It's a question Mike Portnoy came up with for a competition in the Dutch Dream Theater magazine, "Theater Of Dreams"...
So, if you know the answer, *please* mail me privately :-)
Mark _______________________________________________________itchy@dreamt.org__ All of us get lost in the darkness _ _____ ___ _ _ _ _ Dreamers learn to steer by the stars (`)(_```_)/``_)(`)_(`)(`)_(`) All of us do time in the gutter RUSH | | ) ( ( (_ | _ | \_ / Dreamers turn to look at the cars THE PASS (_) (_) \___)(_) (_) (__/ ____________________________________________________bredius@globalxs.nl__ Maintainer of the Freaks, Ytsejam and Voices "Most Frequent Poster Lists" http://www.prognosis.com/itchy http://www.globalxs.nl/home/b/bredius/
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Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 18:16:56 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2086 Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.961208180427.117904A-100000@elk.uvm.edu>
On Sun, 8 Dec 1996 ytsejam@ax.com wrote: > >just Let Me Breathe - way different than anything they've done so far IMHO. It almost reminds me of a really progressive Extreme tune. It is > >semi-funky and has almost "Rap-like" vocal lines. > >Hmm...I thought it sounded more like "Lie:" aggressive, rhythmic (vocally), it has the same energy.
>Peruvian Skies - without question my favorite song. It starts out somewhat > >jazzy and mellow, but kicks into some amazingly progressive sections. This > >tune has a "Yes"-epic type feel to it. The chorus features some really cool > >vocal harmonies w/Mike, John and James. > Allright, I'll give. The vocal harmonies are really fuckin' cool. James will probably do them in the studio, but it definitely works live. Now we could only get the two of them to jump in during PMU and TTT. But the song as a whole kind of drags, I think. I mean, it would make an incredible B-side, but of all the new tunes this was my least favortie.
And as far as Rolling Stone goes, it always amazes me how full of themselves they are. Read some of their album reviews or features and you will be astounded by their arrogance. They are fluff mag anyway, much more of status symbol than anything else. Be glad they won't cover Rush. The fact that Rush has been so successful without Rolling Stone's help is evidence of how worthless and close-minded they are.
Richie
"A funny thing happened on the way to Burlington...."
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Date: Sun, 08 Dec 1996 19:23:58 -0500 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: El Jam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: question.. Message-ID: <32AB5C1D.7CDA@caribe.net>
Hi..did anyone notice if PEtrucci is using the 7 string in any of the new songs?? If so..in which ones..?
-- We Can Learn from the Past,but those Days are Gone... We Can Hope for the Future,but there may not be One... <Dream Theater: A Change Of Seasons> WowoW Hooo Wowow Hooo Wowow hooooooooo!! -Devin Townsend WoWoW! WoWoW! WoWoW! -Mike Portnoy mailto:calfaro@Caribe.net
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Date: Sun, 08 Dec 1996 17:39:35 -0600 From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Becker, T Ride Message-ID: <2.2.32.19961208233935.006de338@enteract.com>
>Well Jeff Tyson is most definitely prolific, and a great rhythm guitarist, >too, which is kind of like having snow-chains on a ferrari. He reminds me >a little bit of George Lynch. Did I mention--> **$1.99.** (GOLDMINES!)
On the first run of the Extremist tour I was lucky enough to see T Ride open. I later bought the album.... but unfortunately the album is not a fair showcase of this man's talent. His rhythm hand is tight to a weird degree.... I mean, he was hitting chords like they were one string, and his timing was GREAT. But what impressed me was his picking and tapping. He had tapping licks that I believe were 8 finger related, and his alternate picking was on the JP/Paul Gilbert level. All of this while singing harmony (The band is a three piece.... bassist is the main vocalist, and the guitarist and drummer do harmony). This band seems to have hit the musical vanishing creme though. Anyone know what's up with them?
>Anyway, methinks meneeds to find Becker's other works. Cacophony, etc... >Any suggestions? Or does he only have one or two albums out to narrow down >the choices?
Cacophony's "Go Off" (Even though the vocals and lyrics bite the monkey clump) and Becker's "Perpetual Burn" showcase his best playing on record. It should be noted that Cacophony's "Speed Metal Symphony" is immense as well. The production just isn't as good. You might as well buy Perspectives and David Lee Roth's "Lil Ain't Enough" while you're at it. The former out of curiousity (and because it's great) and the latter because it should be dirt cheap.
Chris W. Ptacek Musician and Listener A.K.A Madsman, on IRC
"Can we search for inspiration -- those ideas that just come from 'nowhere'? They don't surface when you're tHiNKinG. They just come. What we CAN do is make fertile the ground on which idea seeds fall." - Michael Hedges
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Date: Sun, 08 Dec 1996 18:00:38 -0600 From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Prog Bands Question, Chicago Jammers thing Message-ID: <2.2.32.19961209000038.006ee328@enteract.com>
>Masquerade - "Surface of Pain" Metal Blade catalogue describes as "Swedish >progressive metal." Any comparisons?
No, try mixing Queensryche, Extreme, Alice in Chains and Savatage. I didn't think they were Swedish, since they advertised in Chicago metal zines.
>Helstar - "A Distant Thunder" and "Nosferatu" I've only heard good things >about these guys, but can't remember any stylistic references.
Buy Nosferatu, unconditionally. You WILL be pleased. A Distant Thunder is good, but it has its weak spots.
>Oh... and how many jammers are in the Chicago area? (Just curious :)
I've met (Besides my GF) about 5, in one way or another. I know we are probably one of the most heavily Ytselurk populated areas. If anyone is interested in getting some kind of Ytse Homeland poll, I think that would be cool. I bet Itchy already has something like that on his web page! We ought to try and tally the number of jammers in each city/state... that would be cool. :)
Chris W. Ptacek Musician and Listener A.K.A Madsman, on IRC
"Can we search for inspiration -- those ideas that just come from 'nowhere'? They don't surface when you're tHiNKinG. They just come. What we CAN do is make fertile the ground on which idea seeds fall." - Michael Hedges
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