YTSEJAM Digest 2082
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2080
by David Gamble <dgamble@cs.uop.edu>
2) Ummmmmmmmm
by Ryan P Skadberg <skadz@mindstorm.com>
3) Birch hill start time
by m_washke@acad.lvc.edu (Michael Washkevich)
4) Re: taping the shows, the setlists for the shows so far
by BERTAPELLE ADAM RAYE <bertapel@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
5) woohoo! I just reposted an entire jam!!
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
6) Derek...
by Hard Rock <cdh191@merle.acns.nwu.edu>
7) Re: Take Away My Pain
by Alan Estrada Adler <al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
8) Re: Birch hill start time
by saveur <saveur@cais.cais.com>
9) Re: Yes, cd shopping, DT, a plea...
by Jon Byrne <rael@access.mountain.net>
10) Looks Like I Picked The Wrong Week To Stop Sniffing Glue
by Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
11) Re: Take Away My Pain
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
12) Re: Derek...
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
13) Re: Take Away My Pain
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
14) Free Guitar -- TSO
by Sava Web <savaweb@winternet.com>
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2081
by Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
16) Moodies = prog?/The Wall
by Jennifer <jenibear@gvn.net>
17) Mirror a 10-min. song?; album reviews
by Younis Youssef Hilal <yhilal@uclink.berkeley.edu>
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Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 12:07:21 -0800 (PST)
From: David Gamble <dgamble@cs.uop.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2080
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.961206120153.18969A-100000@uop.cs.uop.edu>
>
> Hey you guys, I understand you need your fix of DT, but didn't
> someone just recently forward a request from the band that these
> shows *not* be taped due to the fact there is new material
> being played? Perhaps, you could be a little more discreet. I'm
> stuck out here on the Left Coast, too and can't make it back
> like I did last year (I was tempted). So take yer whinin' offline.
> (Doubtless, someone will flame me for this.)
>
> I don't hold lyrics in that high a regard (unless they are saying,
> "on your knees to Satan--- all hail Hitler" or something). I was
> in the studio watching my friend mix some tracks for his band
> Masquerade (a bar-band from the San Joaquin Valley) and I thought
> the music sounded better *without* the vox.
Hey- alright!!! Masquerade!!! We opened for them at Janis music in
the Summer of 1995!!! Ask them about it.... Sanguine Surroundings
DAVE.
P.S. Gregg Smith rocks, eh?
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Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 15:42:11 -0500 (EST)
From: Ryan P Skadberg <skadz@mindstorm.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Ummmmmmmmm
Message-ID: <199612062042.PAA26073@optical.mindstorm.com>
Bafu wrote:
> Why must we have diplomas to prove our knowledge in the working world?
> Why? Why? WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY?!?!?!?!
You don't :) You don't! You don't!
Skadz
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Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 13:04:55 -0800 (PST)
From: m_washke@acad.lvc.edu (Michael Washkevich)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Birch hill start time
Message-ID: <199612062104.NAA25602@pawn.ax.com>
I would also like to ask about the show start time (that's in addition to
someone else asking the same question). I remember reading something about
the start time of the Birch Hill show being pushed ahead due to the rush
concert that night. Is this still true? If so, what is the new start time??
Also---no one has mentioned anything about how the opening band was in the
shows that took place already. Last time I heard it was Pleasure Crush. Is
that still the case?, and how were they? E-mail me privately please!!!
Mike Washkevich
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Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 14:31:18 -0700 (MST)
From: BERTAPELLE ADAM RAYE <bertapel@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: taping the shows, the setlists for the shows so far
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.961206142811.27837A-100000@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
I talked to all of the guys except Myung after Wednesday's show, and they
all concurred that the setlist would not change for these five shows. I
asked if we might hear TTT or UaGM or 6:00, and they said no. JP said
something to the effect of "We're playing around so much with the
arrangements, we're going to keep it the same. We're having a lot of fun
with it"
Wasn't the Mirror/Lie supposed to be one long 10 minute song, and because
they released Lie as a single, they had to split it up on the album?
That's what I think I remember hearing about.
-Adam
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Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 17:45:49 -0500 (EST)
From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: woohoo! I just reposted an entire jam!!
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.961206173054.13093A-100000@centipede.rs.itd.umich.edu>
i've always wanted to do that, and avoid getting my ass singed (by flames)
at the same
time.....now, due to the amazing invisible jam 2081, my dream is
fulfilled! (guessing i'm not the only one who did not get 2081, the way
it was supposed to be?)
> On Fri, 6 Dec 1996 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
anyway, about the vocalist/lyrics thing, I wanna throw in my pennies, even
though it a) prolly has been said before, and b) it prolly has been
uttered far more eloquently than what i'm about to say.......
I'm one of those types where the quality of the vocalist will not ALONE
win me over to a band or group.....if that were the case, I'd be listening
to Boyz ii Men (say what you want, but those guys can SING).....vocalist
can however, totally detract from a band, and turn me from that band
pretty much forever.....every once in a while, i see the praises of voivod
on here, and i know I'll never follow up on that, cuz I hated the vocalist
SOOOOO much when i listened to angel rat for the first and only time, I
ain't never giving them another chance.......
in a similar vein, lyrics don't mean much to me.....i look at "all in all
is all we are" on a piece of paper, and i think, sounds funny, cool.....
I'm not gonna like or dislike a band only on the quality of its lyrics,
but i may not like them for their delivery of the same
i don't usually listen for lyrics the first few times i hear
songs.....(prolly why i have a hard time picking up on lyrics)......I'm
usally looking for how the vocalist sounds as a part of the music, and for
how the lyrical delivery fits into the musical scheme
(i.e. love the job done by chuck D on OAMOT, and by Bruce Dickinson on
Infinite dreams......and even the job snoop doggy dogg does with
syncopated delivery on some of his stuff.......)
pretty sure this didn't help any, but i just felt like saying
it.....indulge me, please
partha mukhopadhyay
"I'm sorry but I was just thinking of the right words to say.... I know
they don't sound the way I planned them to be.... but if you wait around a
while I'll make you fall for me, I promise you, I promise you, I
willllll....."
"the promise" -- When in Rome
(Does anyone know this song??? anyone at all?? I picked it as among my
top 15 from the 1980's, and i can only find 2 or 3 other people who even
know about it!!!)
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Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 16:51:48 -0600 (CST)
From: Hard Rock <cdh191@merle.acns.nwu.edu>
To: To the Perfect Strangers <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Derek...
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.93.961206164545.25456A-100000@merle.acns.nwu.edu>
Just a quick question to the Jammers that have seen the recent shows...
Can you give me the run down on Derek, as he compares to KM? The only
thing that I have to go on is ACoS, because I've never seen DT live. How
does he sound playing DT's old tracks? Also, how is DT's sound different
(especially in the new tracks)? It seems to me that everyone here has
been quick to dismiss KM; well, at least it seems that he's way in the
back of our Ytse-memories. I probably won't miss his playing nearly as
much as his songwriting. And doesn't anybody else think that it totally
sucks that we'll probably never get to see S-DV live? That is all...
Take it easy,
"To be is to do" - Plato
Charlie Harrison "To do is to be" - Aristotle
"Hard Rock" (NYC) "Doo bee doo bee doo" - Sinatra
/}
/ /
/ / />
"Vato" ,__________/ //{----/{________________________________ "Vato"
Miami /| ==========|/\|-----/_________________________________\ Miami
NYC \| ==========|\/|-----\_________________________________/ NYC
'~~~~~~~~~~\ \\{----\{
\ \ \> "Having a sensitive member of the
"Seasons change... \ \ audience; it's like having another
and so can I" \} member of the band..."
-DREAM THEATER -JOHN COLTRANE
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Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 17:02:45 -0600
From: Alan Estrada Adler <al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Take Away My Pain
Message-ID: <199612062302.RAA03015@academ03.mty.itesm.mx>
At 01:22 AM 6/12/96 -0800, Richard A. Rivera wrote:
>
>
>P.S. I remember lyrics to the chorus going something like "You took away
>my hero, now Take Away My Pain." I can't wait to get the studio version
>so I'll be able to understand the lyrics. James sounds incredible!
>
It remembers to me something like the song "Brother" from Steve Vai, does
anyone think that the last song on Steve's newest record (fire garden) is
full of filling? that song is great, I dont remember the name but it is the
last one of the CD, does anyone has some Steve Vai live videos? i just have
the videos from Alien Love Secrets and one live song with whitesnake....
PLease email me something...
I have just some questions about the new DT record...
have they recorded something on studio yet? is it going to be early next
year or is it going to be ready for next summer?
I have visited the official web site but it seems like they havent even gone
to studio to records a song...plase let me know....
Does anyone has some Paul gilbert live videos? with racer X, Mr Big or solo?
Some Mike Keneally stuff?
Please let me know....
visit my homepage to see my bootlegs list...
thanks
Visit my homepage at:
http://www.geocities.com/collegepark/2025
"You've got your whole life to write your first album, and six months to do
your next."
Stay cool...
at least somebody's cool as you
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Date: Fri, 06 Dec 1996 18:11:24 -0500
From: saveur <saveur@cais.cais.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Birch hill start time
Message-ID: <3.0b34.32.19961206181115.00690998@cais.cais.com>
>the start time of the Birch Hill show being pushed ahead due to the rush
>concert that night. Is this still true? If so, what is the new start time??
my tix say doors open 8.30pm. i figure the opening band will go on around
10.30 or 11 and DT prolly sometime after 12.
beware the clicking gobble,
john
j . c h r i s t i a n s a v e u r @ c a i s . c o m
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s h t t p : / / w w w . c a i s . n e t / j j e n s /
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Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 18:18:58 -0500 (EST)
From: Jon Byrne <rael@access.mountain.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Yes, cd shopping, DT, a plea...
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19961206182353.20ffb3e4@access.mountain.net>
At 03:42 AM 12/6/96 -0800, Nigel Bridgeman wrote:
>How many members of Yes *haven't* left the band at some stage?
Chris Squire is the only band member to be on every album, so I guess he's
the only one.
Jonathan Byrne, 1L
West Virginia University College of Law
rael@access.mountain.net
http://access.mountain.net/~rael/jdbhome2.htm
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"So if you want my address, it's number one
at the end of the bar,
Where I sit with the broken angels
Clutching at straws and nursing our scars."
-Fish, "Sugar Mice", Marillion
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Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 15:12:37 -0800
From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Looks Like I Picked The Wrong Week To Stop Sniffing Glue
Message-ID: <199612062312.PAA17666@main.cfmc.com>
>From: "SchuBert" <H.M.Peeters@stud.tue.nl>
>
>> Have you ever thought of human voice as an instrument?
>Yes, very much so. I am, personally, never very interested in the lyrics of
>a song, but in the vocal melodies. Also, I really love vocal harmonies. This
>is the reason I got into Galactic Cowboys at Dynamo Open Air '96
>festival (plus, I was stoned as hell at the time). In this case, the extra
>vocals have nothing to add to the lyrics, so they should be thought of as
>instruments.
The voice is absolutely an instrument. Too many singers, though, use it as
an excuse to make some obnoxious noises at bad times (my old band did ONE
gig with a guy like that singing.....).
Adam D. Barnhart
adamb@cfmc.com
ydnt85a@prodigy.com
Five Gratuitous CD's:
=====================
1. Rush: Test For Echo
2. The Reign: Back From Euphoria
3. Youssou N'Dour: Imigres/Bitim Rew
4. Scorpions: Savage Amusement
5. Dream Theater: Live At The Marquee
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Date: Fri, 06 Dec 1996 19:33:33 -0500
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Take Away My Pain
Message-ID: <32A8BB5D.63BA@caribe.net>
Richard A. Rivera wrote:
> It makes sense since both songs are about JP's late father. Just
> something interesting to watch for. I'll be able to confirm my suspisions
> today at the New Haven show. See you there.
>
> Richie
>
Hold on hold on.. Didnt Jp's Dad die sometime last year or so?? I
doubt another Day has to do with his death.. does anyone know when he
died?
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Date: Fri, 06 Dec 1996 19:48:37 -0500
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Derek...
Message-ID: <32A8BEE5.19EE@caribe.net>
Hard Rock wrote:
>
> Just a quick question to the Jammers that have seen the recent shows...
> Can you give me the run down on Derek, as he compares to KM? The only
> thing that I have to go on is ACoS, because I've never seen DT live. How
> does he sound playing DT's old tracks? Also, how is DT's sound different
> (especially in the new tracks)? It seems to me that everyone here has
> been quick to dismiss KM; well, at least it seems that he's way in the
> back of our Ytse-memories. I probably won't miss his playing nearly as
> much as his songwriting. And doesn't anybody else think that it totally
> sucks that we'll probably never get to see S-DV live? That is all...
IMO! (i had to say this first) Derek is AWESOME.. i have several boots
and a live video (py perview) of Awake shows ..and Derek is "most
impresive" .. at least for me ..id go as far as saying he is as good as
Kevin if not better.. i dont know if it has something to do with derek
.but if you listen to the bands "jams" during concerts they sound a lot
more mature than they sound on Live in tokyo or other I&W boots..i like
his style a lot..and his playing is just amazing.. but remember everyone
has their diffrent opinions and tastes..
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Date: Fri, 06 Dec 1996 19:52:26 -0500
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Take Away My Pain
Message-ID: <32A8BFCA.4BA0@caribe.net>
Carlos Alfaro wrote:
>
> Richard A. Rivera wrote:
>
> > It makes sense since both songs are about JP's late father. Just
> > something interesting to watch for. I'll be able to confirm my suspisions
> > today at the New Haven show. See you there.
> >
> > Richie
> >
> Hold on hold on.. Didnt Jp's Dad die sometime last year or so?? I
> doubt another Day has to do with his death.. does anyone know when he
> died?
-- dammit..next time ill have to analize the post very closely before i respond..,right after hitting the send button.. i kinda got what (i think) you meant.. Another day ( i think) is written for the Dad;s time of disease.. but he wasnt dead..and Tmpa or Tamp is written about his DEATH... and they can both be called about his "late father".. hehe ..at first i thought you meant that another day was about his dead father too.. well..it is ..but he was alive..oh damn..i guess you understand what i mean.. i hope..We Can Learn from the Past,but those Days are Gone... We Can Hope for the Future,but there may not be One... <Dream Theater: A Change Of Seasons> WowoW Hooo Wowow Hooo Wowow hooooooooo!! -Devin Townsend WoWoW! WoWoW! WoWoW! -Mike Portnoy mailto:calfaro@Caribe.net
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Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 18:15:03 -0600 (CST) From: Sava Web <savaweb@winternet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com (Ytse Jam) Subject: Free Guitar -- TSO Message-ID: <199612070015.SAA20752@tundra.winternet.com>
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Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 18:28:12 -0600 (CST) From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2081 Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.961206182625.4216C-100000@indy21.gclab.missouri.edu>
On Fri, 6 Dec 1996 ytsejam@ax.com wrote: >Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 12:17:58 -0800 (PST) >From: ytsejam@ax.com >To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> >Subject: YTSEJAM digest 2081
Wow, this is the first time I've read an entire jam in months! :)
=20 h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 / | Pat Griffin Reality=B2 Design | | c675311@showme.missouri.edu c675311@cclabs.missouri.edu | h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 /
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Date: Fri, 6 Dec 96 18:30:50 -0000 From: Jennifer <jenibear@gvn.net> To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Moodies = prog?/The Wall Message-ID: <199612070230.SAA29786@pawn.ax.com>
The following appeared in Ytsejam #2077:
>OK, I may be getting a lot of strange looks from this post, but I was >wondering if anyone out there thought that The Moody Blues were progressive. >Songs like Tuesday afternoon, while not all that long, and Nights In White >Satin kinda make me think so. I am not a musician, though all my friends >are, so I would like some of your opinions, musician or not.
Actually, some months ago, someone posted this list from the prog newsgroup, and the Moodies had several albums listed in the readers' top 100. So, yes, you're not alone. :)
Personally, I am very partial to "Nights in White Satin," which has led me to start collecting their albums.
Both "Nights" and "Tuesday Afternoon" come off the same album, "Days of Future Passed," which is essentially a concept album. Also, the beginning and end have similarities musically to tie everything together. There's a symphonic nature to the albums, which is why one of their tours involved playing in city to city with the local orchestras.
In #2081:
>>What is 'The Wall' by Pink Floyd actually about? > >"Pink" is depressed because he screwed his life over, and feels >that the world is passing judgement on him for not hiding his >feelings. Pisser, eh?
I'll take it a step further than that... Several years ago, I heard a special program that played clips from all of the Floyd albums and interviews with just about everyone. The catalyst for "The Wall" was the process of trying to cope with a sudden increase in popularity with DSotM. Prior to that album, the shows were more sparsely attended, and the band preferred to do long "interlude" pieces. With the release of DSotM and it's astronomical sales, the shows were suddenly swamped, especially with people yelling, "Play 'Money'!" Well, one day, some fan got too excited and started to climb up on the stage. Roger Waters said, without thinking, he simply spit on the guy. Later on, when he'd had a chance to think about it, he'd realized he was creating this wall between himself and the audience. So, "The Wall" is about the walls humans put up around themselves, not just this fictional Pink character.
Jen
o.-.o For millions of years mankind lived just like animals. ((^)) Then something happened which unleashed the power of our O) _ (O imagination...we learned to talk. (Steven Hawking) O/ \O
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Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 18:46:27 -0800 (PST) From: Younis Youssef Hilal <yhilal@uclink.berkeley.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Mirror a 10-min. song?; album reviews Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.93.961206180910.1415C-100000@uclink.berkeley.edu>
On Fri, 6 Dec 1996 listproc@ax.com wrote:
> From: curth@execpc.com [stuff deleted] > the remaining shows? If it does, could someone mention to the band that it > would be really cool if they'd play The Mirror the way it was originally > intended (as a 10min song without Lie in the middle)? I've always been > curious to hear the original (especially considering that The Mirror is my > fave track on Awake) to see what was changed and what was left out. Say WHAT? Mirror was originally a 10-minute song? I've never heard that. The version of Mirror's growth that I've always seen says that Mirror started out as "Puppies on Acid," and then they extended it a little (well, OK, a LOT), and then tacked on "Lie" to the end of it. Now I'm not sure...which version is right? > > ------------------------------ > From: Henrik Gustafsson <henrik@thn.htu.se> > just recently, or in the near future. But could you give us just some sort > of more detailed information about the new songs, than: "it was cool " , > "Too awesome". Perhaps compare them to other DT-songs or relate to other > groups, if it is possible. Well, that would be really nice, and I for one would definitely appreciate it. I'm not sure if people are gonna do much of that, though, considering how most of the people who post about the show seem to remember it best when they post right after they get home. 'Course by then, it's 5:00 a.m. or time for them to get to work or something (how come nobody gets home at a decent time after these things?:)), the poster is half-asleep, and I'm not sure they're really in the mood to start drawing comparisons to DT's other albums or other musicians. Could happen, though:).
This also reminds me of something else I've been meaning to post for some time: it concerns album reviews. I don't buy a whole lot of CDs (why? 'cuz I'm a penny-pinching bastard, that's why.) but I've noticed that other people on this list do and they often post reviews on what they bought. I have no problem with that; in fact, that's one of the things I really like about this list. There's no way in hell I could access to this kind of info about bands that I ACTUALLY MIGHT LIKE outside of this list. Absolutely none (and I know there's other subscribers who share my opinion). Here's the deal, though. I'm a wanna-be drummer (been dreamin' about buying my own set for about 3 years now), so my main interest in the music is really the drumming. But I've noticed that a lot of reviews come from either guitar-players or people who are just real into guitar-playing. Either way, a lot of these reviews talk about the vocals, then guitar-work, and that's it. What I'm getting at is, the next time you post a review to the Jam, PLEASE (pretty please) say SOMETHING about the other instruments on the album you're reviewing. Even if you don't know much about 'em, just something like "drumming was OK; the keyboardist, though, really smokes IMO, you guys might want to check him out, I really like his solos" is something along the lines of what I have in mind. It doesn't have to be detailed or anything, just as long as the non-guitar-playing folks (like me) can get some clue as to how their respective instruments sound. This does NOT mean that I'll flame the next guy who ignores this request; just that any effort will be much appreciated. As I said, this list is my best source of what's good out there, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels that way.
Younis Hilal-------------------------------yhilal@uclink.berkeley.edu AKA "YoonDog"
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