YTSEJAM digest 2083

From: ytsejam@ax.com
Date: Sat Dec 07 1996 - 09:38:34 EST

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                                YTSEJAM Digest 2083

    Today's Topics:

      1) Saturday night!! Woohoo! (fwd)
     by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
      2) help! all you guys with JPM pix :)
     by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
      3) Superior
     by "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
      4) Re: help! all you guys with JPM pix :)
     by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
      5) Re: help! all you guys with JPM pix :)
     by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
      6) Two (2) things:
     by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
      7) DUH
     by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
      8) life is good
     by "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@MO.NET>
      9) Re: Moodies = prog?/The Wall
     by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
     10) New Haven Show SPOILER
     by Ryan Eschauzier 97 <rdesc@conncoll.edu>
     11) Derek's interpretation of Kevin's lines...
     by "Mark D. Scudder" <mark@tier.net>
     12) Addendum to last post
     by "Mark D. Scudder" <mark@tier.net>
     13) uncovered VHS?/backstabbers/voices
     by skooc@earthlink.net
     14) Birch Hill
     by Heather Powers <ladydragon@iceland-c.it.earthlink.net>
     15) My shortest post *ever* :>
     by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
     16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2080
     by Neil Elliott <101352.3261@CompuServe.COM>

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    Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 22:17:09 -0500 (EST)
    From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
    To: Yitz-see-jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Saturday night!! Woohoo! (fwd)
    Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.961206221628.17007A-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>

    Hey, Kids. Thought you might wanna see this,

    m.

    Hi all,

    This is our last final push to get people to come to our debut
    performance at the Middle East in Philly on Saturday. From the sounds
    of it, it seems like it will be a fairly large crowd. We'd love to see
    as many of you as possible. The band is excited, eager, and chomping at
    the bit to play! We realize that this is our chance to share with all of
    you what we've been doing with our lives and our music for the past six
    months.

    If you have any questions, please call the Middle East at (215) 922-1003
    or Chad (610) 797-8010.

    Thanks for your continued interest and support!

    --finneus gauge

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    Date: Fri, 06 Dec 1996 22:01:58 -0600
    From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
    To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: help! all you guys with JPM pix :)
    Message-ID: <2.2.32.19961207040158.006ebb6c@mail.inlink.com>

    i need a pic of the full jpm100 (no hands over any of it plleeease, thats
    the biggest problem i keep having).. if anyones got one, just attach it and
    mail it! thanx :)

    there WAS one at ibanez.com but it says ibanez.com doesnt exist now. WTF?!
                                            ~Rip

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    Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 23:07:16 -0500 (EST)
    From: "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Superior
    Message-ID: <199612070407.XAA12801@umbc10.umbc.edu>

    HI all.

    Could someone tell me the best place to order the CD "Behind"
    by Superior?

    By "best place" I mean cheap and quick. Like where can I get
    it for $15 or less in the US in a couple of days?

    Thanks for the info! See you all in (Birch) Hell! 

    -- 
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
\           -=- Miami Dolphins - All the way in '96!!!! -=-            /
/   L. Jason Hartman	    "And I'll smile and I'll learn to pretend  \
\   lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu      And I'll never be open again              /
/                            And I'll have no more dreams to defend    \
\   Univ. Of Maryland,       And I'll never be open again "            /
/   Baltimore County            - Kevin Moore : Dream Theater          \
\				         			       /
/      "Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot."     \
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    Date: Sat, 07 Dec 1996 00:11:22 -0500
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: help!  all you guys with JPM pix :)
Message-ID: <32A8FC7A.3B13@caribe.net>

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    RipZero wrote:
> 
> i need a pic of the full jpm100 (no hands over any of it plleeease, thats
> the biggest problem i keep having).. if anyones got one, just attach it and
> mail it!  thanx :)
> 
> there WAS one at ibanez.com but it says ibanez.com doesnt exist now.  WTF?!
>                                         ~Rip
here

    -- 
      We Can Learn from the Past,but those Days are Gone...
     We Can Hope for the Future,but there may not be One...
         <Dream Theater: A Change Of Seasons>
      WowoW Hooo Wowow Hooo Wowow hooooooooo!! -Devin Townsend
             WoWoW! WoWoW! WoWoW! -Mike Portnoy
               mailto:calfaro@Caribe.net

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    Date: Sat, 07 Dec 1996 00:52:16 -0500
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: help!  all you guys with JPM pix :)
Message-ID: <32A90610.59D2@caribe.net>

    Carlos Alfaro wrote:
> 
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> RipZero wrote:
> >
> > i need a pic of the full jpm100 (no hands over any of it plleeease, thats
> > the biggest problem i keep having).. if anyones got one, just attach it and
> > mail it!  thanx :)
> >
> > there WAS one at ibanez.com but it says ibanez.com doesnt exist now.  WTF?!
> >                                         ~Rip
> here
> 
 shiiiiitt!!!!! SORRY ABOUT THAT GUYS1!! Since its this late i was not
thinking right.. shit im so clumsy ..damn sorry about the whole
atatchment mess... rip please email me privately and ill send you the
pictuer..

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    Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 22:16:00 -0800
From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Two (2) things:
Message-ID: <199612070616.WAA17664@darkstar.ucsc.edu.>

    One (1):  Were there any new shirts available at the fix for 96 shows?

    Two (2):  What is the "garden" reference in the renamed CIAW?  I get the
others, (nine inch nails, Tool, Alice in Chains) -- does it sound "grungy" now?
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    Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 22:30:47 -0800
From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DUH
Message-ID: <199612070630.WAA17776@darkstar.ucsc.edu.>

    Soundgarden.  Thanks, my friend here at Santa Cruz for pointing it out. :P

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    Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 01:54:30 +0000
From: "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@MO.NET>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: life is good
Message-ID: <199612070758.BAA20037@Walden.MO.NET>

    Oh man, life is so good right now.  After coming back from a 
wonderful couple of days in Miss. (checking out a grad. school and 
jamming with some rad guys), I find out that, in addition to seeing 
Steve Vai on Sunday, I Mother Earth is in town (St. Louis) this 
coming Wednesday.  Then what do I find out?  That Saviour Machine is 
supposed to release their next album, and their demo.  Life is good :).  
Now I just have to finish redaing all the jams in my mailbox :).

    Dale R. Newberry

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    Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 00:57:50 +0000
From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Moodies = prog?/The Wall
Message-ID: <199612070807.BAA07345@cyberhighway.net>

    > got too excited and started to climb up on the stage.  Roger Waters said, 
> without thinking, he simply spit on the guy.  Later on, when he'd had a 
> chance to think about it, he'd realized he was creating this wall between 
> himself and the audience.  So, "The Wall" is about the walls humans put 
> up around themselves, not just this fictional Pink character.  

    Awww, shit....

    Could you imagine how crushed I'de be if John Myung or KJ LaBrie spit on 
me?  I'd probably be forced to commit suicide in anguish! :(

    Either that or I'd have to brag about it. :)

    Heheh.   I never knew that though.  That kinda ties in with the one I 
heard about Roger Watters' personal despisal of playing large arenas 
or something.  I think that was just "In the Flesh" though.  Don't 
think it applies to the whole album, which is still one of my 
favorites of all time.  Concept albums rule!

    >guitar-work, and that's it.  What I'm getting at is, the next time you
>post a review to the Jam, PLEASE (pretty please) say SOMETHING about
>the other instruments on the album you're reviewing.  Even if you
>don't know much about 'em, just something like "drumming was OK; the

    I used to be that way, and can never see how I'd ever lived it.  The 
whole song always revolved around the guitar and vocals to me at one 
point.  Somewhere along the way I changed.  Now I listen to the 
music as a whole, but in truth, I always end up pin-pointing the 
drums more often than anything else (The only instrument I can't play 
from most bands).  It's gotten to the point where I can't listen to 
anything with a weak drummer anymore unless the rest of the 
musicianship is stunning.  It's nice to listen this way and perceive 
the music as a whole.  The only problem is that you get really picky 
and then you start paying more attention to the production quality 
(which gets really bad).  You start picking up poor mixes and stuff.  
Then you get really picky and only listen to Dream Theater for the 
rest of your life.  :)  Not so bad, really.

    KorgX3 NOT The "Other" Ibanez (anymore)
      ibanez@cyberhighway.net
"Well, I try to write music that Indiana Jones would listen to."
                                              --David Arkenstone

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    Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 03:29:58 -0500 (EST)
From: Ryan Eschauzier 97 <rdesc@conncoll.edu>
To: RESPONSE at IBMAIL <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: New Haven Show SPOILER
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.961207025108.4818A-100000@oak.cc.conncoll.edu>

    SPOILER

    SPOILER

    	Well, after waiting out in the cold in the streets of connecticut
FOREVER again (at least this year wasn't the El N Gee) I finally saw the
show.  I heard someone explaining to some guy how he had waited 8 hours in
the cold last year. I'm with you! No Joke!  Anyway, it was pretty silly
that the doors were supposed to open at 8, and they didn't till about 9.
The opeing act were two ex members of the Dixie Dregs, the keyboard player
and drummer.  They were fantastic, but I couldn't really enjoy them,
considering I was worried that DT would come on too late like last year's
CT show, and we would be robbed of an encore again.  
	Did they sell too many tickets for the show, or something?  I have
never been so uncomfortable at a concert in my life.  I was in the back,
thinking, oh, no one will bash my face in here.  Well, there certainly
wasn't any moshing back where I was, but it was so PACKED!!  I couldn't
even reach my arms up to clap or cheer in any way.  I was standing next to
this guy who was really nice, and we were both pissed that it seemed that
everyone and their mom thought it'd be a good idea to walk in front of us
the entire show! Ugh!
	The show was great, however.  I enjoyed The Mirror more than I
ever have before; and it really isn't my type of song.  I just thought
Mirror/Lie was great!  I thought the new songs were better as it got
later.  Take Away My Pain was the clear best, I thought.  Burn My Soul (is
that the right title?) was way too heavy I thought, but that's the type of
song I think I have to hear on the cd before I can really appreciat it.
Actually, I can say that about most of the new stuff.  Lines in the Sand
seemed so long....it was great though.  When they started Another Hand, I
felt like I was one of about ten people who knew what the hell it was.
The crowd was really dead, or drunk or something at times.  I had more fun
towards the end of the show, when I had more room to breathe.  Some guy in
the back kept shouting "Maaa rrrilll iiiioooo nnnnnnnnnn!" throughout the
whole show.  Yeah, they're good, too, but it was a DT show.   That made me
laugh.
	Well, I guess I sound pretty negative, but it was a good time, and
I've never heard a band perform a song before it made an album, so that's
really cool.  Hearing the Killing Hand was awesome, even though Mike had
to sing the very beginning, cuz James was "tied up downstairs."  Having
Mike and John sing back up was great.  
	Ytse Jam was awesome!
ryan

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		      Forgive us our cynical thought
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    Date: Sat, 07 Dec 1996 03:48:59 -0500
From: "Mark D. Scudder" <mark@tier.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Derek's interpretation of Kevin's lines...
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19961207034858.006b6764@mail.tier.net>

    >Just a quick question to the Jammers that have seen the recent shows...
>Can you give me the run down on Derek, as he compares to KM?  The only
>thing that I have to go on is ACoS, because I've never seen DT live.  How
>does he sound playing DT's old tracks?  Also, how is DT's sound different
>(especially in the new tracks)?  It seems to me that everyone here has
>been quick to dismiss KM; well, at least it seems that he's way in the
>back of our Ytse-memories.  I probably won't miss his playing nearly as
>much as his songwriting.  And doesn't anybody else think that it totally
>sucks that we'll probably never get to see S-DV live?  That is all...

    	(Ah, at last, somebody pushes my big DT peeve-button <g>)

    	I saw the Pughkeepsie show Wednesday night and I was somewhat disappointed
in what Derek was doing with the old songs.  He's a great player and writer
in his own right, but I am of the opinion that he butchered some of Kevin's
better lines.  Also realize I really liked Kevin and was very much
disappointed when he left DT, but I think this has more to do with musical
taste more than it does my favorite keyboardist...

    	It seemed at Poughkeepsie like Derek couldn't stop playing these 32nd-note
arpeggios everywhere.  I mean, if a note stood still for, oh, a whole beat,
he'd squeeze sixty-some-odd notes in that space.  Just an arpeggio.  At an
otherwise flawless show, it was quite annoying.  When Kevin rested on a
note, it was because he was trying to form a melody that worked with the
song.  There were points at Poughkeepsie where the entire feel of a section
was ruined because Derek was supposed to be playing one of Kevin's
brilliantly written melodic leads (no matter how many or how few notes),
and he was doing an arpeggio as fast as he could.  Augh.  The new stuff
sounded good, and ACoS sounded like he was happy with what he came up with
in the first place.

    	I know if I don't disclaim somebody's going to say, "Derek's *not* Kevin.
He's going to interpret the song in his own way."  Yeah, and all of you
were trying to do a *variation* on a theme of Stairway to Heaven the first
time you picked up a guitar.  Seriously, this is music that has to be kept
in a certain amount of structure.  It's just so complicated that we can't
have somebody doing something *completely* different than was originally
intended.  Those of you who've seen shows so far know that they can do a
lot of strange and different stuff without putting cracks in that
foundation.  I just think Derek should can some of the cheeseball riffs
he's throwing into Kevin's old parts.  I mean, the guy made a bad decision
leaving DT, IMO (maybe not, if there's anything to be said about following
your heart), but that certainly doesn't take away from his ability to write
incredible stuff.  And the lines on IaW (and especially on Dream and Day)
are pure genius.  If Kevin's dead as far as the band is concerned, at least
let his contributions to the music live on.  There are still hardcore Moore
fans out here.

    Mark

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    Date: Sat, 07 Dec 1996 03:54:32 -0500
From: "Mark D. Scudder" <mark@tier.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Addendum to last post
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19961207035430.006b8974@mail.tier.net>

    	Forgot to say something :-)...

    	I should mention that this peeve I have with Sherinian is due to this show
only.  Because it was the first show they've done in a year, I'm worried
it's going to become a permanent thing.  Yes, I have the "Mind Control"
boot, and that thing he does after LSOAD and before The Mirror is
fantastic.  And yes, back then he was doing Moore's lines pretty much
note-for-note.  But apparently that was because he had no time to come up
with his own parts.  That's evident by what he did Wed. night.  If the new
parts to the old songs are supposed to be an improvement, someone needs to
have a talk with the guy... :-)

    Mark

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    Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 01:51:12 -0800 (PST)
From: skooc@earthlink.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: uncovered VHS?/backstabbers/voices
Message-ID: <199612070951.BAA20109@spain.it.earthlink.net>

    Hi,

    Does anyone know where I can get a vhs copy of the Ronnie Scott's Uncovered
gig? Now that we'll have a soundboard of the whole show (between ACoS &
Tapestry) It would be cool to have video companion. Please email me if you
have it. I have a decent collection of DT audio & video tapes and could work
out something.

    Is Voices still around? I was getting digests on a regular basis and they
all of a sudden stopped.

    BACKSTABBERS: There is a member of the Jam who has been talking shit about
me behind my back and I don't appreciate it AT ALL! Now, I realize there are
a few people here that I've had public spats with, but I've always been up
front about my feelings. This person seems to think he/she can say whatever
and it won't get back to me because I'm not on the jam at this time. Well
guess what: I DO HEAR ABOUT IT! I'm sending a public notice to this person
to either back off or things are gonna get ugly!

    I've said my peace; let's hope it ends here.

    Scott

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    Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 04:59:23 -0800
From: Heather Powers <ladydragon@iceland-c.it.earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Birch Hill
Message-ID: <BMSMTP8499632060ladydragon@mail.earthlink.net>

    Fuck themm ARGH!! ok..now that I have officially bitched :P
Birch Hill now has parking idiots at both entrances(front and back)
Parking will be $2 per car..so if you wanna be cheap...car pool from my house.
They are also majorly overbooking!!  As of after Midnight the Birch Hill had
290 tickets sitting in a stack at the door. ( two of which were the exact
numbers of the tickets I already have) TGIF's meet time is 6:30. The main table
will most likely be easy to spot (myself with bright red hair, skadz, ibanez,
saveur,etc) If you need info EMail me :)
LadyDragon
Heather

    click click click cuchunk ahhh toy'srule

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    Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 14:37:07 +0100
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
To: "'The Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: My shortest post *ever*  :>
Message-ID: <01BBE451.6C257A60@Lwaxana.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>

    Nigel Bridgeman asked on 'Jam #2080 :
> How many members of Yes *haven't* left the band at some stage?
  1... Chris Squire

    Neil Gallop said on 'Jam #2081 :
> for fuck's sake stop writing in abbreviations
  Y ?

    Mark (hmmm... my sig is bigger than my post !)
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    Date: 06 Dec 96 13:38:10 EST
From: Neil Elliott <101352.3261@CompuServe.COM>
To: "INTERNET:ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2080
Message-ID: <961206183809_101352.3261_JHP94-1@CompuServe.COM>

    Conrad Chi wrote:

    >Subject: Don't you guys think it is about time the secret is revealed?

    >	Hey Neil!
>	It's now December, what do you say you reveal the little 
>	secret now!! Some of us college guys will be taking off soon!
>
>	Conrad

    Well, the secret is in the mail, so you should find out for yourself exactly
what it is soon!!!!!

    See you in Providence and Birch Hill!

    For now,

    Neil Elliott
Director- DTIFC
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