YTSEJAM Digest 2090
Today's Topics:
1) Birch Hill Info ( including about proof of 18)
by Heather Powers <ladydragon@armenia-c.it.earthlink.net>
2) Re: Underage
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
3) Blank Jams ....
by Ryan P Skadberg <skadz@mindstorm.com>
4) Providence ...
by Ryan P Skadberg <skadz@mindstorm.com>
5) Re: Underage
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
6) Re: Guitar advice needed!
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@u.arizona.edu>
7) Greetings from me!
by Jennifer Detjen <detjenjl@FLAGLER.EDU>
8) Re: east coast shows
by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
9) Surprise and Pseudo 7 String Answer
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
10) Shredding on AQ: "A Crack in the Mirror"
by Randall Braun <RBraun@adnc.ameridata.com>
11) Queen tribute - DTC!!!
by jerry@muc.de (Andreas Schaefer)
12) Rick & D-Man's Excellent Adventure
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
13) Re: Underage
by Drummnstan@aol.com
14) Re: Prog Bands Question, Chicago Jammers thing
by Wronskian <polzin@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu>
15) Getting "in" at BH
by John Mastin <johnny@psa.pencom.com>
16) Re: Guitar advice
by "Glenn Pillsbury" <pillsbur@HUMnet.UCLA.EDU>
17) Kevin's Picture....
by Brian Wherry <bwherry@bu.edu>
18)
by WARD.ACHTEN@student.kuleuven.ac.be
19) under18 rule is for REAL!!!
by m_washke@acad.lvc.edu (Michael Washkevich)
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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 14:18:04 -0800
From: Heather Powers <ladydragon@armenia-c.it.earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Birch Hill Info ( including about proof of 18)
Message-ID: <BMSMTP8501693624ladydragon@mail.earthlink.net>
Ok the general deal with Birch Hill is that they have a ton of tickets at the
door. Where they came from, I have no idea. So if you are considering going,
you can probably get tickets right up till they go on stage...call the club if
you have doubts though.
They are now charging $2 for parking and no more valet.
Also, they will not require proof of 18 at the door, just proof of 21. BUT!!
If you are under 21, once you leave the club you can't come back in. They are
trying to cut down on alcoholic teenagers in the parking lot.
The before show get together will be start around 6:30 as I originally said,
everyone has to sit at their own tables ( due to the fact that its a weekend
and they wont reserve a large party) . If you want to reserve one, call about 1
1/2 hours in advance. The number is (908)617-1900
If you need any other info...then E Mail me or find me on IRC
-LadyDragon
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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 14:21:47 -0500 (EST)
From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Underage
Message-ID: <199612091923.LAA11588@pawn.ax.com>
>
> This is to the 16 year old who wants to go to Birch Hill... I've
> never been to Birch Hill, but I'd say you have a good shot at getting
> in. A friend of mine was buying beer when he was 15. The point is,
> nobody really gives a shit in reality, but if you ask them on the phone
> of course they'll say no. This 18+ bullshit only works on people who are
> too worried about breaking a rule to try and get in. Get a ticket, and
> try to get in, and if someone at the door actually gives you shit about
> not having an id ( I doubt this will happen) just start arguing with
> him and eventually he'll give up and let you in. I have done this so
> many times, I am convinced you'll be able to get in. And even if you
> don't, at least you tried and you have a funny story to tell your
> friends...
>
> Scott
>
Don't take this advice if you're coming from far away - I
happen to know that they check all
IDs when going in....if you don't have the ID, you aren't getting in,
no matter what. I know that the show was originally all ages, so if
have a ticket that says that, then you could probably put up an
argument...otherwise, you can try, but the outlook is slim.
A little anecdote that relates to this...a friend of mine went to
see a show at the Stone Pony about a year ago with about four people.
The show was 18 and over, and she was 20 at the time. The guys at
the door required two IDs to get in. She had only her drivers'
license, which said she was 20, and they *STILL* told her they
wouldn't let her in. So the five of them wound up not seeing the
show....bouncers can definitely be pricks......
Good luck though...
- Al
-- @#%^$#%^#$&#%%$&#$%^#$%^#$%&#$%^&#$%^&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%^&% | | | Her mouth is a soft explosion of roses | | A burst of raw animal definition | | For a few moments I was mortal | | | #$%^#%&#%^$*%&*^&*%&(%^&(%^&*(%^&*(*%^&*$^&*#^%&#^*$%^&*#%^&*#$%& | Al Balkiewicz SEND MAIL HERE --->balkiewi@njmsa.umdnj.edu | %@#$^@#$^@^%%$&#$&^*$%&*$&*$%^$&$%^&$%^*$^%&*$%^&*$%^*$%^&%$^&%$%------------------------------
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 14:26:55 -0500 (EST) From: Ryan P Skadberg <skadz@mindstorm.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Blank Jams .... Message-ID: <199612091926.OAA07977@optical.mindstorm.com>
Hey All ...
I have heard some grumblings about some people getting empty jams. Could you PLEASE if you get these forward what you get to me? I would like to figure out what is going on, but only one person so far has even reported this to me.
Thanks Skadz
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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 14:27:58 -0500 (EST) From: Ryan P Skadberg <skadz@mindstorm.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Providence ... Message-ID: <199612091927.OAA07993@optical.mindstorm.com>
Hey All ...
I was looking at the Boston Phoenix web page this afternoon and noticed that there is an extra opening band for the Providence show. They are called the Beth Hart Band. Anyone ever heard of them? Just wondering
Skadz
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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 14:33:01 -0500 (EST) From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Underage Message-ID: <199612091934.LAA11718@pawn.ax.com>
heh, scratch that last post about underage then....All the shows that I have been to in the NY/NJ area, esp. NJ, were pretty strict. LadyDragon knows her shit better - hell, she warned me about the Fantasia last year, and she was right there too. Do you take pride in making me look stupid?? :P
- Al
-- @#%^$#%^#$&#%%$&#$%^#$%^#$%&#$%^&#$%^&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%^&%$ | | | I wasn't born with enough middle fingers.... | | | #$%^#%&#%^$*%&*^&*%&(%^&(%^&*(%^&*(*%^&*$^&*#^%&#^*$%^&*#%^&*#$%& | Al Balkiewicz SEND MAIL HERE --->balkiewi@njmsa.umdnj.edu | %@#$^@#$^@^%%$&#$&^*$%&*$&*$%^$&$%^&$%^*$^%&*$%^&*$%^*$%^&%$^&%$%
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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 12:43:05 -0700 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@u.arizona.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Guitar advice needed! Message-ID: <199612091943.MAA24486@nevis.u.arizona.edu>
At 08:21 AM 12/9/96 -0800, you wrote: >Here's the situation: > >I'm planning on re-stringing one of my guitars to sound like a 7-string by >tuning it B-E-A-D-G-B. I'm a rhythm player who never plays solos, so the >high E is of little use to me, and I really want to experiment with some >lower, darker-sounding stuff a la The Mirror/Lie, etc. I'm assuming >I'll need to fatten up my string gauges a little to maintain the >proper tension... what gauges do you recommend, particularly for the >low B? Thanks for your help, > >Jeff > Okay Jeff, I did this to my BC Rich Warlock and it's working pretty good. What I did first was put 5 springs in the trem system to hold it down. Then I went out and bought a set of .10 gauge strings and a .54 string. The .54 is my low B string. I would recommend a .56 for it because my string is a little loose feeling. Also, you'll probably want to tune the guitar B-E-A-D-F#-B so that you cans still play chords and runs the same as you did before. This retuning is definitely an experience and it's kinda fun, but I still keep one guitar in E or Eb tuning because the B tuning can get old quickly.
Have fun. Later,
Peace be with you and God bless.
~Vince
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Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 14:55:40 -0500 From: Jennifer Detjen <detjenjl@FLAGLER.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Greetings from me! Message-ID: <s2ac288f.091@FLAGLER.EDU>
Hello there all...I'm a new Jammer...just signed up yesterday...I've been a DT fan since the release of "Images" and they have become my favorite band. I just wanted to say "hey" to all of you Jammers out there...this seems to be a very dedicated bunch of people... Does anyone know if DT is coming to Florida on a tour soon? I haven't seen them since the Galactic Cowboys tour at Summerfest in WI... Also, is there a way I can order a t-shirt? Thanks and... "let light surround you..."
Jenni "dance of eternity"
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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 96 14:06:29 -0600 From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: east coast shows Message-ID: <32ac71442902002@mhub2.tc.umn.edu>
Are there any shows after Birch Hill on Saturday? I have a final here in Minnesota that morning so I can't make that one, but if there are any after that I'm going to make a try at it. Thanks for any info!
-Brian
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/6521 http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/3771
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Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 14:11:00 -0600 From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Surprise and Pseudo 7 String Answer Message-ID: <2.2.32.19961209201100.0069b258@enteract.com>
I have a 7 string, and I blocked off the trem and use a reular set of GHS Nickel Rocker 10's with a double wound 62 guage on the bottom. This keeps it sufficiently tight so I don't have wobbly strings. I don't know how JP set his up with 56 guage strings, but I didn't dog that at all. Maybe I'm just too used to shredding on acoustic.
Someone tell me what the surprise thing was please. I've been too lazy to mail my check, and I think I'm too late now, so if anyone would at least be willing to tell me what I'm missing, via e mail, it would be helpful.
Also, I've updated my page (No new graphics yet.... just new text) particularly the Prog List and my new guitar lessons page. Right now the only lesson I have is a really short exercise for developing some left hand coordination, and it's made for people just starting out that want to move in the right direction towards some shred and speed playing. There are going to be lessons for intermediate and advanced players as well, but not until I have time to design them. It WILL be cool in the near future, but for now it's pretty simple and basic. http://www.prognosis.com if you want to check it out.
Chris W. Ptacek Musician and Listener A.K.A Madsman, on IRC
"Can we search for inspiration -- those ideas that just come from 'nowhere'? They don't surface when you're tHiNKinG. They just come. What we CAN do is make fertile the ground on which idea seeds fall." - Michael Hedges
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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 14:05:10 -0600 From: Randall Braun <RBraun@adnc.ameridata.com> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Shredding on AQ: "A Crack in the Mirror" Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=GE%l=AMERIDATA/ADNC/000B4348@msb01ncadctmsge.ameridata.com>
>>>> I was somewhat surprised that I didn't get any flames from my recent comparison of Nuno w/ Eddie VH, and my preferences for the former over the deficiencies of the latter, and hopes for Gary in the *new* VH. All the comments were about *Flight of the Wounded Bumble Bee* and Nuno's shredding, which brings me to my next DT question:
I hope this question does not seem too ignorant. Is the shredding section at the very beginning of "A Crack in the Mirror" on Antiquities done on guitar or keyboard. I tend to think of it as guitar, but it seems almost too clean to be guitar (exceptionally clean pickups?), yet it seems to be faster than the response time of (most?) keyboards would allow (key press sensitivity)?
>>>>...... but I was >wondering if anyone out there thought that The Moody Blues were progressive...
MB, along w/ The Nice (Keith Emerson), Yes, PF, KC, ELP were among the archetypal bands that helped define progressive, esp. their seven albums from *Days of Future Past* to *Seventh Sojurn*. Later reincarnations included the prog. keyboardist Patrick Moraz (also one time member of Yes (ca. *Relayer*) and the band Refugee (other 2 members were originally from The Nice). Sadly, the original members of MB are almost in the geriatric generation, and their recent concerts (i.e. *Live at Red Rocks*) lack the spunk of the band in the earlier days.
>>>>Is the first Magellen CD (the re-issue from Magna Carta) worth buying?
>>>>Derek vs Kevin. IMO, Kevin will probably be more missed for his songwriting than his keyboards (not that he wasn't good, though). Whether Derek is *better* or not, he hasn't had the opportunity to prove his writing ability, at least for DT.
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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 21:23:59 +0100 From: jerry@muc.de (Andreas Schaefer) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Queen tribute - DTC!!! Message-ID: <v01510100aed212cf0b54@[193.174.4.141]>
hi there,
I just received a new CD called "Dragon attack - a tribute to queen" (NOT the f*cking Dancefloor-Queen thing!) and highly recommend it to anybody on the list. Three good reasons: -track 2: Sheer heart attack vocals:James LaBrie, guitar: Marty Friedman Drums: Carmine Appice -track 3: Another one bites the dust vocals: Adam, guitar: John Petrucci -track10: One vision vocals: James LaBrie, additional engineering: Mike Portnoy
Yessss! This album rocks (rokz nadz?)... Also outstanding: Lemmy doing "Tie your mother down".
read you again - jerry :--) (wazoo on irc)
--------------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Schaefer jerry@muc.de ...bei 200 Grad 15 Minuten backen, und keine Eier! - Tool ---------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 12:26:16 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu> To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Rick & D-Man's Excellent Adventure Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.95b.961209120953.26404D-100000@dante16.u.washington.edu>
> From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu> > Subject: A Night To Remember > > What I am going to do is layout the basic blueprint of my evening: > > 12) I spill my jelly doughnut all over my sweater and pants in the > car, resulting in a very sticky situation.
BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
> 13) D-man laughs
What a bastard.
> 16) D-man and I get pulled over by the cops!
I can just hear that laugh...
> I have very few ambitions in life, but one of them was to die with a > perfect driving record. Yet another dream goes down in flames. At least > I still have my health (cough, cough).
Need ambitions? Craft the Perfect Ytsecon Shirt. There can be only one.
Define truth. List its applications.
Become one with the universe. (Go to the beach and have someone bury you up to your neck in the sand. If that feels good, you may want to just consider becoming one with your surroundings.)
Design a being equipped to re-populate Earth in thirty days. What form of government would this being operate on, and why?
> 17) D-man laughs
That bastard... I can hear that laugh now... The same one that taunted me as I attempted to cross that frozen river before last year's show at the Malibu and ended up falling through the ice...
The same one that heckled me from behind...as LaBrie grabbed me by the throat backstage after Birch Hill last year, and shouting at me in a perfect high-C, told me how unfunny he thought my net-comments were...
The same one that has filled my nightmares of that gruesome scene at Ytsecon II when Mike Bahr began flicking his special razor-edged Magic cards around the room, cackling gleefully and hopping around on the tables like a possessed ninja...
---- > From: "Adam Bertapelle" <bertapel@travelin.com> > Subject: I thought Bafu was kidding... > > That's all. I just thought he was kidding. But he wasn't. :)
Me? Kidding? I think you have me confused with someone else, d00d...
Bafu Vai
p.s. none of the above events ever actually occurred. but I'm sure D-man is laughing just thinking about them. ;)
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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 15:28:16 -0500 From: Drummnstan@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Underage Message-ID: <961209152815_1919644778@emout04.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 12/9/96 2:10:26 PM, you wrote:
<< This is to the 16 year old who wants to go to Birch Hill... I've never been to Birch Hill, but I'd say you have a good shot at getting in. A friend of mine was buying beer when he was 15. The point is, nobody really gives a shit in reality, but if you ask them on the phone of course they'll say no. This 18+ bullshit only works on people who are too worried about breaking a rule to try and get in. Get a ticket, and try to get in, and if someone at the door actually gives you shit about not having an id ( I doubt this will happen) just start arguing with him and eventually he'll give up and let you in. >>
and on my birch hill tixs it says all ages/21 to drink, go for it
stan
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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 14:36:04 -0600 (CST) From: Wronskian <polzin@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Prog Bands Question, Chicago Jammers thing Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.961209143406.8916B-100000@glibm15.cen.uiuc.edu>
> > I've met (Besides my GF) about 5, in one way or another. I know we are > probably one of the most heavily Ytselurk populated areas. If anyone is > interested in getting some kind of Ytse Homeland poll, I think that would be > cool. I bet Itchy already has something like that on his web page! We > ought to try and tally the number of jammers in each city/state... that > would be cool. :)
It might also be that the DT fan population isnt as dense in the Chicago area as in other parts of the world. Could be attributed to the lack of radio play. The only song i've heard on the radio was PMU and that was way back when IaW was just released. And even then it took them about 3 or 4 plays before they actually annouced who it was. later.
Ed
Chat with: talk polzin@isr1165.urh.uiuc.edu WWW: http://www.cen.uiuc.edu/~polzin/ BOOTLEGS: http://www.cen.uiuc.edu/~polzin/boots/boots.html ------------------------------------------------------------ - Duct Tape is like The Force: It has a Dark Side, it - - has a light side, and it holds the Universe together. - ------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 15:11:48 -0600 (CST) From: John Mastin <johnny@psa.pencom.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Getting "in" at BH Message-ID: <199612092111.PAA20404@psa.pencom.com>
Wow, two posts from me in the same day. :P
To the guy that wanted to know if he could get in at BH being 16. From what I remember (and my memory might be foggy), they were carding everybody at the door. This was to determine if you were old enough to drink or not. If you are, you'll get this nice hospital-style wristband and the "go" from the bartender. Fact is, they were carding everybody. :( You could give it a shot but be prepared to go back home if the palookas at the door say "Nyet."
Johnny Motown
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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 13:23:21 PST From: "Glenn Pillsbury" <pillsbur@HUMnet.UCLA.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Guitar advice Message-ID: <34B55933AA2@113hum2.humnet.ucla.edu>
Wondering about 7-string string-ups:
I personally use a D string from a bass guitar for the low B and the low E string from a guitar for what used to be the A string. I tune the "A" string down to F# though. Thus my guitar looks like:
B F# D G B E
The F#/D jump can be a bit awkward when playing normal stuff, bt it forces you to come up with new ideas. By the way, this was the tuning recommended in the transcription to CiaW a couple of light years ago. Happy death grunging.
Glenn
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Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 16:09:23 -0500 From: Brian Wherry <bwherry@bu.edu> To: The Jam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Kevin's Picture.... Message-ID: <32AC8003.1E77@bu.edu>
Uhhhh...... his hair is short now.
I don't see the big problem.
Let me relate a saying I heard back in ninth grade global studies: "Different is not wrong."
The obvious parallel here being: "Just because Kevin no longer looks like a head-bangin' metal dude doesn't mean he looks bad."
Ok folks? So if you're gonna knock Kevin, you might as well go right ahead and mock George Clooney, because clearly he looks horrible and could never get a date.
Time ta make the donuts. Brian -- /* * User: Brian Wherry, bwherry@bu.edu, bwherry@cs.bu.edu * School: Boston University College of Engineering * Web: http://acs.bu.edu:8001/~bwherry/ * Quote: "Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur." */
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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 22:31:06 -0600 (cst) From: WARD.ACHTEN@student.kuleuven.ac.be To: ytsejam@ax.com Message-ID: <Pine.PCW.3.95.961209222503.6415A-100000@IPV13122.cc.kuleuven.ac.be>
Hello, I'm a ytsejammer and I want to ask how to subscribe to the Dream Theater list. I got this adress from TRS Group. Please answer me, thanks.
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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 13:42:28 -0800 (PST) From: m_washke@acad.lvc.edu (Michael Washkevich) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: under18 rule is for REAL!!! Message-ID: <199612092142.NAA13447@pawn.ax.com>
This is to the 16 year old who wants to go to Birch Hill... I've never been to Birch Hill, but I'd say you have a good shot at getting in. A friend of mine was buying beer when he was 15. The point is, nobody really gives a shit in reality, but if you ask them on the phone of course they'll say no. This 18+ bullshit only works on people who are too worried about breaking a rule to try and get in. Get a ticket, and try to get in, and if someone at the door actually gives you shit about not having an id ( I doubt this will happen) just start arguing with him and eventually he'll give up and let you in. I have done this so many times, I am convinced you'll be able to get in. And even if you don't, at least you tried and you have a funny story to tell your friends...
I HAVE BEEN TO THE BIRCH HILL!!!!! They check the IDs of every single person that walks through that door, and if your ID doesn't meet their approval, you aren't getting in. I watched them refuse to let in a guy right in front of me because they didn't like his ID. If you have a good fake, your chances are improved, but don't expect to get in without an ID. They don't care if you waited in line for two hours out in the cold. YOU WILL NOT GET IN THE BIRCH HILL WITHOUT AN ID!!!!
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