YTSEJAM Digest 2091
Today's Topics:
1) hehe
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
2) Is it 5:00PM yet?
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2089
by "James Abraham" <omman@uit.net>
4) Re: Providence...
by Brian Jones <bjones@wheatonma.edu>
5) the great hair-cut controversy
by matt rosin <msr7146@unix.tamu.edu>
6) Beth Hart Band/Underage at BH
by "Christopher Onjian" <clo4748@megahertz.njit.edu>
7) re: Underage
by jefffalk@bu.edu (Jeffrey Falk)
8) Time Machines, Blank Jams, Painful anticipation
by Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
9) jason becker is alive???
by Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca>
10) Musings, Extreme, Bumblebees
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2089
by YtseJim <LUTZ@uhavax.hartford.edu>
12) Re: Sega Saturn question
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
13) Re: Shredding on AQ: "A Crack in the Mirror"
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
14) Dixie Dregs
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
15) Birch Hill tickets....
by "Jill M. Lentchner" <jmlentch@mailbox.syr.edu>
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Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 15:45:28 -0600
From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: hehe
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19961209214528.006fd1e4@mail.inlink.com>
At 01:39 PM 12/9/96 -0800, you wrote:
>Hello,
>I'm a ytsejammer and I want to ask how to subscribe to the Dream Theater
>list. I got this adress from TRS Group. Please answer me, thanks.
>
oh... then i guess in that case i'm a famous rock guitarrist and i'm
looking for some fans and a label to sign me. :)
kev's pictures not bad, i dig the hair. :P keep rockin' wherry :)
~Rip
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Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 21:51:10 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
To: A maze of twisty little passages <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Is it 5:00PM yet?
Message-ID: <32AC89CE.FF6@mailstorm.dot.gov>
Appearing in a jam near this one:
> But then I don't know shit about record marketing.
More than many of the record companies know!
> if DT dumped James and quit adding lyrics to their songs,
Why would they need to dump him? he creates some great non-lyrical
sounds, too :)
> I was afraid of this. We buried the guy and he's not dead. :P
We had our umbrellas up, but it wasn't raining out :)
> (He's [Jason] probably gonna think Ytsejammer's are some sort of freaky> pre-mortem grievous fools, now. :P )
Actually, I'd be willing to think he looked past that right on into the
words of those who posted and saw a lot of love coming from those who
thought it was true...
> As much as I love DT and try to gently convert as many people as possible <g>...
I see where you're coming from, but my approaches are slightly different
(uh, oh, here it comes ;)...
I just toss the Balls 'N Chunk right at 'em. If they don't like it, then
it's their loss :) No use in playing a lullaby, only to have them like
it but none of the other tunes. Straight up!
Example to my nephew who was already into QR,Metallica,Megadeth,Tool, et
al:
PMU, 6:00, Metro (watch out for that 3rd rail, son :)
> As much as I love DT and try to gently convert as many people as possible <g>...
I see where you're coming from, but my approaches are slightly different
(uh, oh
, here it comes ;)...
I just toss the Balls 'N Chunk right at 'em. If they don't like it, then
it's their loss :) No use in playing a lullaby, only to have them like
it but none of the other tunes. Straight up!
Example to my nephew who was already into QR,Metallica,Megadeth,Tool,et
al:
PMU, 6:00, Metro (watch out for that 3rd rail, son :)
The kinder, gentler Jon won't always play entire tunes for the virgin DT
listener right off the bat. Some may consider this a tease :) I try to
gauge what I know about the person's musical tastes and find a section
of a song that works well. Then it's on to another section of a
different song. This tends to really show how complete DT is at
satisfying that taste. Also, if the person ends up buying a disc, they
get to hear an entire song for the first time while they're "in the
driver's seat."
Example I used on a classicaly trained guitar friend: beginning of ACoS,
beginning of Killing Hand, keyboard/guitar thing near end of LtL...
> I'm one of those types where the quality of the vocalist will not ALONE
> win me over to a band or group.....if that were the case, I'd be listening
> to Boyz ii Men (say what you want, but those guys can SING).....vocalist
> can however, totally detract from a band, and turn me from that band
Check out Take 6.
> I'd like an opininion about Myung's playing although his skill and
> everything is just mad(did I use the right word?)
Yes!
> The 48-hour DT road trip. Next time, they better perform in Vermont, cause
> I am *not* making this trip again.
Wimp! :)
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| Jon Parmet | jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 |
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"You've waited your whole life to become
the person you are...was it worth it?"
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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 16:07:13 -0600
From: "James Abraham" <omman@uit.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2089
Message-ID: <199612092204.QAA26291@dns.uit.net>
Hey guys! Well, apparently I've been so out of the Jam that I have
no idea what's going on anymore. I guess I completely missed the
fact that a couple of DT gigs have come and gone. And apparently I missed
all the reviews on the gigs. Help? Um, well could someone send me a
review of one of the DT gigs? How was the new stuff? Oh if anyone got
a tape of the performance, I would love to purchase a copy
thanx!
James
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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 17:27:17 -0500 (EST)
From: Brian Jones <bjones@wheatonma.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Providence...
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.961209171954.25273B-100000@tempest.wheatonma.edu>
>Hey All ...
>
> I was looking at the Boston Phoenix web page this afternoon
>and noticed that there is an extra opening band for the Providence
>show. They are called the Beth Hart Band. Anyone ever heard of them?
>Just wondering
>
>Skadz
Beth Hart Band is cool. They play a song by them called "Immortal" on
107.3 in Boston a lot.
BJ
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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 16:30:43 -0600 (CST)
From: matt rosin <msr7146@unix.tamu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: the great hair-cut controversy
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19961209154405.379fbd1e@tam2000.tamu.edu>
regarding all the comments on kevin's hair:
get a life.
musical talent is not contingent upon hair style or length, and hair length
does not determine musical talent. some of you need to be a little less
shallow about stupid things like a hair-cut.
a hair-cut is a hair-cut. nothing more.
-matt.
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m a t t r o s i n / imagescape@tamu.edu
S U R R E A L I T Y / http://http.tamu.edu:8000/~msr7146/imagescape/
dark ethereal music / SURREALITY III COMING SOON.
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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 17:47:46 -0500
From: "Christopher Onjian" <clo4748@megahertz.njit.edu>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Beth Hart Band/Underage at BH
Message-ID: <199612092249.RAA00086@megahertz.njit.edu>
> I was looking at the Boston Phoenix web page this afternoon
> and noticed that there is an extra opening band for the Providence
> show. They are called the Beth Hart Band. Anyone ever heard of them?
> Just wondering
I saw this band at the Lolapalosser :) show in NYC this last summer. They
are quite good, the singer sounds very simular to Janis Jopplin (sp).
Oh..and for the people going to BH and worring about not getting in because
of your age... Last time they played the BH a friend of mine who is 17
managed to sneak in. He just used the ID of a friend who was over 18, and
then put a hat on so they couldn't really see his face. He got in no
problem. So it is *possible* to get by the bouncers, not easy sometimes
though... Guess you just have to try when they are getting tired and most
likely to slip up...:)
Anyway..My ticket says on it "All ages, 21 to drink" so even if they are
not letting anyone in under 18 you have a pretty good fight.
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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 16:44:48 -0500
From: jefffalk@bu.edu (Jeffrey Falk)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: re: Underage
Message-ID: <v01540b00aed237375796@[128.197.7.86]>
> This is to the 16 year old who wants to go to Birch Hill... I've
>never been to Birch Hill, but I'd say you have a good shot at getting
>in. A friend of mine was buying beer when he was 15. The point is,
>nobody really gives a shit in reality, but if you ask them on the phone
>of course they'll say no. This 18+ bullshit only works on people who are
>too worried about breaking a rule to try and get in. Get a ticket, and
>try to get in, and if someone at the door actually gives you shit about
>not having an id ( I doubt this will happen) just start arguing with
>him and eventually he'll give up and let you in.
Actually, my experience has been that Birch Hell won't let anyone
in without _some_ identification. They let me in using my friend's expired
drivers' license (I'm glad I don't have to go through that shit again), and
I've heard that you can get by with most fake ID's, but people have been
turned away. The same friend's then-girlfriend (who was at least eighteen
at the time) wasn't let in with her college ID. If you bring an ID that
looks like it's supposed to be a real one, and it has an acceptable date on
it, you probably won't have a problem. So my point is, unless that dump
has changed a lot since August, they will ask for an ID. Good luck.
Jeff Falk
Box 3208
700 Commonwealth Avenue
Boston, Massachusetts 02215
(617) 352-8639
jefffalk@bu.edu
"Why had she always felt that joyous sense of confidence when looking at
machines?-she thought. In these giant shapes, two aspects pertaining to
the inhuman were radiantly absent: the causeless and the purposeless.
Every part of the motors was an embodied answer to "Why?" and "What
for?"-like the steps of a life-course chosen by the sort of mind she
worshipped. The motors were a moral code cast in steel."
Ayn Rand, _Atlas Shrugged_
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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 18:19:04 -0500 (EST)
From: Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Time Machines, Blank Jams, Painful anticipation
Message-ID: <199612092319.SAA21853@cliff.cris.com>
Graham Borland mentioned,
>I have a CD ROM of the Birch Hill show (14/12/96). Email me if you're
>interested.
Wait, what is today's date? Is that one of those new, fangled,
Time-Reverse-Non-Causal-Anticipatory-CDROM's? I'll have to look into those. :)
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D-Man wrote,
>Oops. :) I think I may have caused that blank jam yesterday because this
>post was too long. And, since I didn't see it in the latest jam, I'll
>repost it in two parts.
Just in case the YtseMaintenance Crew is wondering, I receive all my Jams
intact. No problem. I'm not the only one, is I?
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Mark Tiplady teased,
>Just arrived home from work to find the new issue of Images and Words on
>the doormat - complete with ...
>
>Should I spill the beans or would you all rather wait for yours to arrive?
><g>
>
>Neil, you're a star.
UGH!!! The anticipation! The agony! We're dyin' over 'ere!
-Rick
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
\****************** Richard S. Audet ******************/
/*************** ytse@cris.com ****************\
\**** Graduate Student in Electrical Engineering ****/
/********* University of Florida *********\
\***** B.S.E.E. & B.Music MUE University of Miami, 1995 ****/
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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 15:57:51 -0800 (PST)
From: Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: jason becker is alive???
Message-ID: <199612092357.PAA12314@fraser>
hi jammers,
i read a post in the dream theater newsgroup today from someone who spoke
to jason's manager, and according to her (the manager), jason is alive!!!
she is also very upset that someone put up the info about his death on their
web page. so if anyone knows of someone with that info on their page, please
ask them to remove it.
i sure hope the rumours of his death are not true..and i feel really bad
since i'm partly responsible for starting them (althoug i was only passing
on information i heard, and wanted to know if it was true).
tim
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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 16:10:53 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Musings, Extreme, Bumblebees
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.95b.961209155621.40570A-100000@dante27.u.washington.edu>
> From: Cliff Totten <Cliff_Totten@discovery.com>
> Subject: Musing about music
>
> Musing about music:
>
> The purpose of music is to garnish our lives with resplendent
> introspection.
Yes. Well said.
> We also use music to interpolate a sense of reciprocal intellectual
> stimulation. ( would you not agree ? )
Sounds good. I applaud such eloquence.
> Dream Theater's role in this is one of great extempleation. Their
> music conjures much more of a hierarchical rejoinder, almost like that
> of..........of....................................of????
> Awwww,......DAMN it !! I Give up, I can't do it like BAFU does !!!
Geez, I probably would've just finished that line with, "almost like that
of an anti-prism cascading through a black hole." Nothing fancy. I mean,
who do you think I am, John Petrucci?
---- > From: bmajik@abeln625b.unl.edu (Matt Evans) > Subject: Jason Becker, Cacophony Explained :) > > guys, if you really want to hear nuno bettencourt shred, get the bill n' > ted sound track. the first track is done by extreme and its the song > that "beethoven" is playing in the music store in the mall. its > incredible, not to mention catchy as hell :)Do you mean "Play With Me," from Extreme's first album? Van Halen does a cover of that on one of their albums... I think they used different lyrics and called it "Big Fat Money" or something...
---- > From: Kent Cowgill <kentc@intersites.com> > Subject: RE: many thanksgiving replies.... > > > I was listening to 'Flight of the Wounded BumbleBee' and a co-worker > > thought it was a playing at the wrong speed (too fast), and was > > astounded when I told him it was playing at the correct speed (not > > that you play a CD at the wrong speed easily); Nuno is just that damn > > fast. > > Um, no... he's not. While it's true that that piece, played at the > proper speed *with_the_proper_effects* is pretty quick, it's not > drop-dead difficult.
Whew. I can only play that piece if I pick really lightly and lift my lefthand fingers quickly off the fretboard to mute the notes. Distortion off, clean channel only. I also have to set my volume knob at about half.
Nuno, on the other hand, plays that piece with just stacatto picking. All he's got working for that technique is the heel of his right hand cutting the sound off. I find this to be immensely difficult. (You can hear more of this fast stacatto picking in the solo to Megadeth's "Sweating Bullets") I think that stuff is drop-dead difficult because there really is no easy way to do it. You either can or you can't, kinda like sweep arpeggios...
> Nuno uses a delay for 'Flight of the Wounded Bumblebee'... a delay that > plays the note he just played (once) and does it shortly after he > finished playing it. What does that mean? He plays, say, a single > thirty-second note. What we *hear*, however, is two very quick > thirty-second notes, in rapid succession.
Out of every four beats, Nuno picks the first and third. Say he picks an "A" on the first and an "F" on the third. The "A" repeats on the fourth beat of those four, and the "F" repeats on the second beat of the NEXT four. He plays the odd numbers, the delay fills in the evens.
> So in reality, Nuno's playing exactly *half* as fast as it sounds on > the CD, with his effects filling in every other note for him.
And he's picking stacatto at very high speed, with the delay effect nipping at the heel of his right hand. 200 milliseconds is not a very forgiving pulse.
> This is unrefutably given away at the very end with all the tapping.
Unrefutably.
Bafu Vai
p.s. the flight of the wounded bumblebee never actually occurred. but I'm sure D-Man is laughing just thinking about it.
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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 15:32:55 +0000 From: YtseJim <LUTZ@uhavax.hartford.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2089 Message-ID: <Pine.VMS.3.91-vms-b4.961209152335.52453D-100000@uhavax.hartford.edu>
> Someone asked what AIC song was played before they came out on stage. I > would think that it was Rooster, which if off of their AIC's Dirt
> the one they have used in the recent past was the same intro that was > used in Resevoir Dogs. It has Steven Wright as a DJ into'ing the 70's > song, "Little Green Bag".
The last leg of the awake tour in June 95 (i think thats right) and the christmas shows of 95 both had Rooster then Little green bag if i remember correctly. For the "Fix" shows, it was just Rooster.
> This is to the 16 year old who wants to go to Birch Hill... I've > never been to Birch Hill, but I'd say you have a good shot at getting > in. A friend of mine was buying beer when he was 15. The point is, > nobody really gives a shit in reality.
Well, I've been to two Dream Theater shows at Malibu on Long Island.. and both times you could NOT get in without ID. There was a guy there, looked like he was in his 30's, he didn't have an ID, and he didn't get in. I really don't know how strict BH is, but i don't think ya have a good chance.
> If I were to buy that John Petrucci pinball game, would I be able to > hear the audio tracks in a regular CD player or can you only listen to > them while playing the game?
I was at my friends house about a couple of months ago, and we tried playing the sega CD in a regular player and it actually worked! Now the only problem is buying the game...(Where is it anyway?)
I went to New Haven and couldn't find any jammers...Where were you guys? Hope to see you all at Birch Hill!!!
//######################################################\\ // Jim Lutz "Time was never on my side, \\ // So on I wait my whole lifetime" \\ // lutz@uhavax.hartford.edu -Metallica \\ // YtseJim@DreamT.org \\ //################################################################\\
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Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 20:56:39 -0500 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Sega Saturn question Message-ID: <32ACC357.2751@caribe.net>
L. Jason Hartman wrote: > > How do those Sega Saturn games work as far as the music goes? > If I were to buy that John Petrucci pinball game, would I be able to > hear the audio tracks in a regular CD player or can you only > listen to them while playing the game? >
Most games are Cd track oriented.. and i think ALL saturn games can be played at the cd player.. some of them are just one big track.. but you can still play it on a regular one.. as oposed to the Playstation.. which some games cant be played on a regular cd player.. but if i were you i would rent the game when it comes out (IF IT COMES OUT) and tape the soundtrack.. why spend $60-70 in a music cd.. unless you do own a Saturn..I will probably buy it cuz my brother has it..but if i didnt i surely wouldnt buy the game just for the music..
We Can Learn from the Past,but those Days are Gone... We Can Hope for the Future,but there may not be One... <Dream Theater: A Change Of Seasons> WowoW Hooo Wowow Hooo Wowow hooooooooo!! -Devin Townsend WoWoW! WoWoW! WoWoW! -Mike Portnoy mailto:calfaro@Caribe.net
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Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 20:58:09 -0500 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Shredding on AQ: "A Crack in the Mirror" Message-ID: <32ACC3B1.4829@caribe.net>
> I hope this question does not seem too ignorant. Is the shredding section > at the very beginning of "A Crack in the Mirror" on Antiquities done on > guitar or keyboard. I tend to think of it as guitar, but it seems almost > too clean to be guitar (exceptionally clean pickups?), yet it seems to be > faster than the response time of (most?) keyboards would allow (key press > sensitivity)? >
Its Mr sherinian in all his glory.. did you notice the part where he sneaks in a little off the solo to Ciaw?
-- We Can Learn from the Past,but those Days are Gone... We Can Hope for the Future,but there may not be One... <Dream Theater: A Change Of Seasons> WowoW Hooo Wowow Hooo Wowow hooooooooo!! -Devin Townsend WoWoW! WoWoW! WoWoW! -Mike Portnoy mailto:calfaro@Caribe.net
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Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 21:31:30 -0500 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Dixie Dregs Message-ID: <32ACCB82.73A3@caribe.net>
Does anyone know of a cool dregs page that has audio samples? or can anyone make wav or something so i could show my brother how this band sounds..
-- We Can Learn from the Past,but those Days are Gone... We Can Hope for the Future,but there may not be One... <Dream Theater: A Change Of Seasons> WowoW Hooo Wowow Hooo Wowow hooooooooo!! -Devin Townsend WoWoW! WoWoW! WoWoW! -Mike Portnoy mailto:calfaro@Caribe.net
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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 20:38:10 -0500 (EST) From: "Jill M. Lentchner" <jmlentch@mailbox.syr.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Birch Hill tickets.... Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.961209203459.16099B-100000@forbin.syr.edu>
Some of the Birch Hill tickets printed say "ALL AGES" so for the guy who has extra tickets, check and see what they say. There are jammers out there who are underage and want to go. From what I understand, once you have bought the ticket, what is printed on it is valid, no matter what it says. I highly doubt they would take the time (like that?) to see who actually bought them, if they even could. I ordered mine the first day, say you ordered them then if you are underage. I would offer to trade mine since I am not underage but I am too chicken about getting my ass kicked:)
Jill ------ Quazel
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