YTSEJAM Digest 2093
Today's Topics:
1) No hair please
by Bernd Basmer <basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de>
2)
by fmaiap@suporte.com.br (flavio maia pimenta)
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2092
by Michael Van Opstall <vnopstal@atlantis.cs.hope.edu>
4) DT & Queen tribute (2)
by Andreas Schaefer <jerry@muc.de>
5) The Secret, Learning To Live
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
6) RE:YTSEJAM digest 2092...
by "Ollila Marko" <marko.ollila@metsaserla.fi>
7) Beth Hart Band, Providence shtuff
by psull@ici.net (Pat Sullivan)
8) random ramblings
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
9) Re: Musings, Extreme, Bumblebees
by kentc@intersites.com (Kent Cowgill)
10) DT Fanzine
by etl.etlaywg@memo.ericsson.se
11) Bargain bin...
by "Mike Patrick" <mepatrick@iquest.net>
12) Guitarist on game
by "Ronald" <Petnrond@rad.net.id>
13) Steve Vai at Birch Hill
by Bill.POLYMENAKOS@sb.com
14) Bafu Vai
by as459@ctcdbs.ctc.cummins.com (A G Stiles)
15) The Echolyn Collection.
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
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Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 11:42:11 +0100
From: Bernd Basmer <basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: No hair please
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19961210104211.006b7a40@krzsun.med-rz.uni-sb.de>
Hi!
Oh please please please don't go on with this fuckin hair debate
anymore. We already had to go through this in the early days of
the ytsejam and I hated it. Ok, I posted something about Kevins
new picture and YES I think he looks like playing in Oasis now,
but hell, I REALLY DON'T CARE!!! The music is it what counts...
BTW, the music business is a funny thing. Everybody only complains
about anyone. It's really fun listening to those people. :)
I'd like to open a donation account for poor musicians and bands.
Anyone with me? :)
Bye.
Bernd.
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Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 10:14:37 -0200 (EDT)
From: fmaiap@suporte.com.br (flavio maia pimenta)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Message-ID: <199612101214.KAA12830@leon.construtel.com.br>
i just wanna known how to get in the list...i'm a big fan of dt and can't
wait...answer persnonally, since i don't have access to the list!
flavio fmaiap@suporte.com.br
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Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 07:45:49 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael Van Opstall <vnopstal@atlantis.cs.hope.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2092
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.961210073829.2580B-100000@atlantis>
My two cents about Believer vs. Tourniquet --
I think that Tourniquet has a lot more classical influence (actually kind
of baroque influenced) as evidenced by their precision, etc. Listen to the
instrumental Whitewashed Tomb, for example. Very classical in nature.
On the other hand, Believer is much more influenced by 20th century
composers like Schoenberg. Trilogy of Knowledge is a 12 tone piece (like
much of Schoenberg's work) and they are much more atonal and polyrhythmic
than Tourniquet. The violin work on Trilogy and Dies Irae reflects later
19th and 20th century music more than the classical period.
Also note that Believer is no longer together (actually, on indefinite
hiatus) since Dimensions. Tourniquet has only Ted left as an original
member - Gary and Victor left. Any Tourniquet fans will be interested to
know that Gary is starting a band with Guy Ritter in the style of older
Tourniquet stuff.
Anyone that like DT because of complexity will probably like Believer
(except possibly for the thrashiness). Fans of more melodic and tonal work
will appreciate Tourniquet more.
Does anyone know for sure who the producer of DT's new album is? Has this
already been mentioned? For those of you going to the shows - is the new
music more groove oriented?
Thanks
Michael A. Van Opstall -- vnopstal@cs.hope.edu
http://www.cs.hope.edu/~vnopstal/
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Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 23:24:22 +0100
From: Andreas Schaefer <jerry@muc.de>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT & Queen tribute (2)
Message-ID: <32ADE316.6412@muc.de>
Hmm, didn't expect so many request for additional information
on this CD...
As far as I know (from my copy):
"a tribute to Queen - Dragon Attack"
Label: DeRock (Canadian rock label)
licensed from: TRIAGE records
german release/distribution through CNR-Music a division of the
ARCADE Music Company. (Arcade sold lots of Disco/Charts stuff in the 70s,
didn't know they still exist..)
Tracks:
1. I want it all
voc:Robin McAuley g:Chris Impellitteri g:Bob Kulick keys:Edward Harris
Roth b:Ricky Phillips dr:Jay Schellen
2. Sheer heart attack
voc:James LaBrie g:Marty Friedman b:Tony Franklin dr:Carmine Appice
3. Another one bites the dust
voc:Adam g:John Petrucci b:Rudi Sarzo dr:Tommy Aldridge
4. Save me
voc:Jeff Scott Soto g:Bruce Kulick g:Bob Kulick piano:Michael Sherwood
b:Ricky Philips dr:Eric Singer
5. We will rock you
voc:Paul Shortino g:Bob Kulick dr:Jay Schellen back.voc:Matt Laurent,Nick
Dio
6. We are the champions
voc:Paul Shortino g:Robby Krieger g:Bob Kulick piano:Michael Sherwood
b:Tony Franklin dr:Carmine Appice back.voc:Matt Laurent,Nick Dio
7. Tie your mother down
voc:Lemmy g:Ted Nugent g:Lemmy & Bob Kulick b:Rudy Sarzo d:Tommy Aldridge
8. Get down make love
voc:Glenn Hughes g:Jake E.Lee g:Bob Kulick piano&organ:Billy Sherwood
b:Tony Franklin d:Carmine Appice
9. Keep yourself alive
voc:Mark Boals g:Yngwie Malmsteen b:Rudy Sarzo dr:Tommy Aldridge
10. One vision
voc:James LaBrie g:Bruce Bouillet g:Bob Kulick b:Ricky Philips dr:Jay
Schellen
11. It's late
voc:John Bush g:Scott Ian g:Zachary Throne b:Joey Vera dr:Jason Ian
I'll spare you my detailled opinion on each song - just my overall
impression: Freddy would be proud!
read you - jerry :--)
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Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 06:27:38 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: The Secret, Learning To Live
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.95b.961210062537.26730C-100000@dante26.u.washington.edu>
> From: Conrad Chi <uchic00@mcl.ucsb.edu>
> Subject: Don't you guys think it is about time the secret is revealed?
>
> Hey Neil!
>
> It's now December, what do you say you reveal the little
> secret now!! Some of us college guys will be taking off soon!
Good idea. Especially for those of us who sent our bartering goods in
several weeks ago and have yet to hear a peep from the mothership.
---- > From: zottpa@consumer.org > Subject: Learning To Live, Slightly Out Of Sync at Poughkeepsie? > > One mistake I did catch was at the beginning of Learning to live, when > Derek started with the keyboards and Mike came in with the drums. It > seemed that either Derek was playing too slow or Portnoy came in too > fast. My ears picked up a problem, and when I looked at Derek, I saw > him stop playing for about 3 seconds. He tilted his head towards his > monitor, and had an expression of concentration as he listened to pick > up the beat. He then came back in on time and resumed the rest of the > show flawlessly. Could be one of three things.Could have been Derek. Perhaps his monitor just wasn't loud enough. Maybe he was playing too slowly. Maybe all keyboard players are really slow. Kevin Moore played excruciatingly slowly at every show I ever saw him play. Maybe staring at all those black and white keys causes vertigo.
Could have been Mike. If DT plays a song that starts with just the drums, like "6:00," he'll fly into it like a freight train on plutonium. Sometimes you can see the sweat on Petrucci's forehead when this happens, "dangit, I've never played my parts at this breakneck speed, what the hell is Mike thinking?" But, then again, when Marton jammed with him on "Erotomania," they were so full of adrenaline that they started off way to fast, the keyboard notes in the beginning were pumping away, when in came Mike's bell ride almost TOO slowly to tame things down. Ding. Ding. Ding.
Or, it could have been The Digital Man at the soundboard fiddling with the Digital Delay in the monitors. Setting the monitors with a digital delay can be a real pain when the musicians on stage are trying to play in sync. Try it. It's a riot.
> I am in no way trying to pick on Derek or the rest of the band.
Well I AM! Derek! Grab some amphetamines, boy! I wanna hear James introduce you as Derek SherKHAN!! Derek CHOPINIAN!! And Mike! Get ridda that third arm! Just froth at the mouth a little and they'll HAND you the ritalin over the counter without a prescription!
Oops. There might be impotent people reading this stuff...
Bafu Vai
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Date: 10 Dec 96 17:00:18 +0200 From: "Ollila Marko" <marko.ollila@metsaserla.fi> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: RE:YTSEJAM digest 2092... Message-ID: <9612101700.aa18@tppalv2.metsaserla.fi>
..is the kind of topic no one should be using anymore.
Nate said concerning Tourniquet:
>It's also good to see some other people that are into Tourniquet. I >thought they were about the least known prog metal band in the world.
Prog metal? Technical thrash is more like it. Well, this will eventually lead to the definition of prog, so I'll hear 'em my way, you hear yours. We're both right anyway. :)
Am I the first Ytsejammer in whose country Superior has gotten airplay? :)
_Mape_
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Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 10:22:08 -0500 From: psull@ici.net (Pat Sullivan) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Beth Hart Band, Providence shtuff Message-ID: <199612101506.KAA21028@uhura.ici.net>
> I was looking at the Boston Phoenix web page this afternoon >and noticed that there is an extra opening band for the Providence >show. They are called the Beth Hart Band. Anyone ever heard of them?
I was listening to WHJY (RI) the other day, and they played a song by them, and announced that they'd be opening for DT on Thursday. The song sounded OK, nothing to write home about. Fairly rockin' tune, female vocalist...
They haven't said anything about Einstein opening, though. Are there 2 openers, or was Einstein dropped?
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And to answer some recent questions about the Providence show...
- The Strand's webpage (www.strandtheatre.com) states that it'll be "Dream Theatre" and Einstein (featuring Jonathan Mover). However, I heard on the local radio, that it is DT with the Beth Hart band opening. I guess you can draw your own conclusions. :)
- All Strand shows are all ages. They check ID's at the door for wristbands, because they do have a bar, but don't worry. As long as you have a ticket, you can go.
- There is no formal pre-show meeting, however it was my suggestion that if anyone wants to get together that we meet at the Trinity Brewpub. It's only a few blocks from the Strand, and we can eat, drink and be merry before the show. Anyone who is interested can e-mail me for directions.
Thank you, and good night.
__<psull@ici.net>__http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html
This space for rent...No pithy quotes need apply _________________________________________________________________
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Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 10:19:04 -0500 (EST) From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu> To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: random ramblings Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9612101013.C20665-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu> > Subject: Leaving and re-entering Birch HIll > > What is the Birch Hills rules for leaving and re-entering the > club? What if I have some cool stuff (big stuff like Images
Call first. I would be willing to bet money, however, that it ain't gonna happen. At all, no matter what you do.
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> From: Craig Moran <bosox1@ix.netcom.com> > Subject: Re: shows after this saturday @ BH > > a friend of mine said that his brother got them tickets to see DT at the > birch hill on december 28th! does anyone else know about this show?
Yeah! It was last year!
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> From: phreak <illusion@UDel.Edu> > Subject: Kevin Madden, BirchHELL > > Kevin Madden get in touch I need you to get in touch with me, thanks.
I thought we had stopped with the YtsePersonals for a while.
> One question, can someone varify that Mike did sing lead on The Killing > Hand?
Mike did actually sing lead on The Killing Hand for about 10 seconds, and then James came back.
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> From: "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu> > Subject: Loss of Ytsejams, New Haven, and Providence. > > To the guy who didn't see any Jammers at New Haven: You just > weren't listening, Skadz and D-Man were yelling at each other a > mile-a-minute at the front of the stage after the show, AND there were > a couple of us wearing ytse-wear out there, too. Ahh well, For those at
"SKADZ!" "MERLO!" "SKADZ!" "MERLO!" "BAFU!" "POLO!"
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> From: augustl@lithuania-c.it.earthlink.net (Heath Augustover) > Subject: Long Islander needing some help
Funny, that's what they call me here at school. :)
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> From: tallufo@juno.com (Tall UFO Productions) > Subject: Tourniquet, Vai, Beer for Dolphins, Petrucci Sega Saturn game? > > First of all, I HATE ALL OF YOU WHO GET TO SEE DT AND I DON'T!!!!!!!
Second of all, I HATE ALL OF YOU WHO GET TO SLEEP IN YOUR OWN BED AND I DON'T!!!!!
> And, since someone asked everyone's ages, I'm 19.
Everyone's ages? They range from 0 to approximately 106.
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Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 09:19:01 -0500 From: kentc@intersites.com (Kent Cowgill) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Musings, Extreme, Bumblebees Message-ID: <v01530502aed31d777f7f@[206.31.32.23]>
Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu> wrote (among other things):
> From: Kent Cowgill <kentc@intersites.com> >> Um, no... he's not. While it's true that that piece, played at the >> proper speed *with_the_proper_effects* is pretty quick, it's not >> drop-dead difficult. >Whew. I can only play that piece if I pick really lightly and lift my >lefthand fingers quickly off the fretboard to mute the notes. Distortion >off, clean channel only. I also have to set my volume knob at about half.
Yipes, that's too much for *me* to think about. I just play it. :) I use my neck pickup, modest distortion, and I got up to speed by using my delay as my metronome, setting it to a comfortable speed and gradually speeding it up.
>Nuno, on the other hand, plays that piece with just stacatto picking. All >he's got working for that technique is the heel of his right hand cutting >the sound off. I find this to be immensely difficult. (You can hear more >of this fast stacatto picking in the solo to Megadeth's "Sweating >Bullets") I think that stuff is drop-dead difficult because there really >is no easy way to do it. You either can or you can't, kinda like sweep >arpeggios...
Are you saying that Nuno pumps his right hand up and down while he's playing? (after picking up guitar) Oh, no. I guess I never thought about what I was doing when I play that...
And are you also saying that Nuno played with Megadeth? Or just another example of another guitarist? *shrug*
What I think is *really* tough are Joe Satriani's tapping/hammer-on arpeggios that he does in "Mystical Potato Head Groove" (or whatever it's called) on Flying in a Blue Dream. He uses his right hand to mute his strings near the headstock and just hammers these arpeggios across all the strings with only the strength and coordination in his left.
>> What we *hear*, however, is two very quick >> thirty-second notes, in rapid succession. >Out of every four beats, Nuno picks the first and third. Say he picks an >"A" on the first and an "F" on the third. The "A" repeats on the fourth >beat of those four, and the "F" repeats on the second beat of the NEXT >four. He plays the odd numbers, the delay fills in the evens.
Right. Um, I *meant* to say that, but I appreciate your correction/addition.
>And he's picking stacatto at very high speed, with the delay effect >nipping at the heel of his right hand. 200 milliseconds is not a very >forgiving pulse.
Not very forgiving at all, no. Do-able: yes; easy: no; impossible: not at all. But I gather you agree.
>> This is unrefutably given away at the very end with all the tapping. > >Unrefutably.
Indubitably.
-Kent
-Kent
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Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 16:35:30 +0100 From: etl.etlaywg@memo.ericsson.se To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT Fanzine Message-ID: <01ICUO5HRRUQ8ZOAUJ@edt.ericsson.se>
Hello all,
Damn... I was hoping I would be the first to announce the arrival of the secret Xmas gift.
Never mind, 'cos when I saw it, a manical grin spread across my face :). It's brilliant, and if you're not expecting to get it, then you'll be kicking yourself until eternity.
Looks like the UK jammers have beaten the US to the suprise ;)
Cheers Neil, you're tops mate.
ash.
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Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 22:33:53 -0500 From: "Mike Patrick" <mepatrick@iquest.net> To: "DT" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Bargain bin... Message-ID: <m0vXUJZ-003ixiC@iquest.net>
> Shotgun Messiah: anyone remember these guys?
Yes. O.K. metal. But the guitarist, Harry K. Cody is a great player. I mention this since so many here saw G3 and were blown away by Stu Hamm. Cody plays on two of Hamm's solo albums, "Kings of Sleep" (he's ALL over this one and this is easily one of my favorite albums of all time), and "The Urge", which also features a great performance by none other than Eric Johnson. Buy Cody's playing is KILLER.
Moving on,
Mike mepatrick@iquest.net
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Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 22:52:56 +0700 From: "Ronald" <Petnrond@rad.net.id> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Guitarist on game Message-ID: <199612101542.WAA00398@server2.rad.net.id>
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Date: 10 Dec 96 10:57:58 -0400 From: Bill.POLYMENAKOS@sb.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Steve Vai at Birch Hill Message-ID: <1210185852-Steve.Vai.at.Birch.Hill*.@MHS>
Hey, Since there seems to be a lot of Steve Vai fans on the Jam, is anyone going to see him next Saturday (12/21) at Birch Hill? Bill
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Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 11:06:36 -0500 From: as459@ctcdbs.ctc.cummins.com (A G Stiles) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Bafu Vai Message-ID: <199612101606.LAA06004@wks1-48.cummins.com>
> Oops. There might be impotent people reading this stuff... > > > Bafu Vai
Ya gotta wonder if that was an intentional typo. Knowing Bafu, it probably was! :)
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Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 11:18:08 -0500 (EST) From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org> To: Yitz-see-jam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: The Echolyn Collection. Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.961210111252.7138A-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
Hiya, Kids.
I have some unpleasant news to report. After speaking with Mike Bahr for some time, he and i have decided to stop the production of "the echolyn collection." the reason is simple: the recordings that echolyn did are owned by sony. if sony was ever to find out what mike and i wanted to do, we'd go to jail. this is not something that mike and i wish to happen, so we must stop this before it starts.
I am truly sory that it came to this. I wish i could have seen this dream come alive, but sometimes you need to see the forest despite the trees.
You might be thinking, "where's mike?" i've spoken to him, and his internet provider has been down for a week. he's being forced (against his will, mind you) to be off the net. for those of you who need to contact him, e-mail me and i'll give you his #.
again, let me repeat: the echolyn collection will _NOT_ happen. if you have any questions, feel free to e-mail me.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------- "..to you - is it movement or is it action? mike ostrich is it contact or just reaction? and you - revolution, or just resistance? syrinx@dreamt.org is it living or just existance? syrinx@astro.ocis.temple.edu yeah you - it takes a little more persistance to get up and go the distance.." - neil peart.
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