YTSEJAM Digest 2116
Today's Topics:
1) Simplistic Solutions.
by Ben Laussade <laussade@sprynet.com>
2) Please help! I NEED a shirt!
by "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
3) another stupid fight about to start...
by "woot" <sir@micron.net>
4) drinking devices
by WildKoba@aol.com
5) Japan PPV
by "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@MO.NET>
6) Stuff
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
7) WAR!!!! KILL THEM ALL!!!! DEATH!!!!!
by Phillip <pkish@sprynet.com>
8) Ivanhoe
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
9) Birch Heaven
by Brian Wherry <bwherry@bu.edu>
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2115
by Stephen Daedalus <Mathew.J.Birskovich@williams.edu>
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2115
by abraham omman <omman@uit.net>
12) Birch Hill
by James Enering <darksider@earthlink.net>
13) Re: Saveur's review
by James Enering <darksider@earthlink.net>
14) Birch Hell, Jam 2112, Engine Lights, ACK!
by Mike Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu>
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Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 19:52:54 -0800
From: Ben Laussade <laussade@sprynet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Simplistic Solutions.
Message-ID: <199612160352.TAA29017@m5.sprynet.com>
>I'd have to personally disagree in this case. I wear earplugs regularly to
>shows, and I was wearing them at the beginning of this one. About 4 songs
>in, I took them out because the high end (mostly JP's lead stuff) was lost
>in a muddle. The difference was striking. Frankly, I just decided that the
>loudness (and it *was* a little too loud) was something I'd just have to
>deal with if I wanted to be able to hear everything clearly.
>
So get better earplugs.
>ohhhh, wow, anyone that didnt get to see one of these shows should really be
>kicking themselves in the head right about now.
No, but I'm about to kick YOU in the head. There was no possible way for me
to get to the show. <insert foot in mouth>
>TWISTING..........TURNING.......... the delivery on those to words in the
>song sent chills down my spine.
through the never.....
>I am trying to find the Trans Siberian Orchestra cd here in Illinois
>and I am not having very good luck. I was wondering if you guys had any
>suggestions? Thanks in advance.
Live somewhere other than Illinois.
>but what about drums? what's so phallic about drums, and they get all the
>attention, too. well, some girls get so enthralled by guys beating on
>things, well....the rest is history.
Are you telling me that masturbation attracts chicks, or that domestic
violence attracts chicks? Either way, I DON'T THINK SO! Also, I'm quite
handy at the drums, and not once has that affected the way someone of the
opposite sex feels about me. Maybe I should take a shower one of these months.
>Tomorrow, monday december 16th there is a special about the festival
>"Headbanger's Heaven" on the dutch television, on TMF (The Music Factory),
>the programm is called "Wet and Wild" and Lemur Voice will also be a part of
>that programm.
Does that show have anything to do with buxom women prancing around in
skimpy, transparent attire while soaking wet? If so, does Direct TV get
dutch programs?
By the way, Marcel..whats "Lemur Voice" mean, if anything?
>Anyone at the shows happen to see what kind of kit Mike Portnoy is using?
>Is he back with Mapex? Tama? Maxwell House?
Tama. Awesome purple fade lookin' thing.
>i dont really read
>the ytsejam anymore
Thanks for that self-esteem boost of the day.
On a classical note.....
Has anyone on the Jam heard of composer Vaclav Nelhybel? If so, lemme know. :)
>and he only left
>the stage a few times. unlike previous shows, he stuck around for most of
>the instrumental parts, playing a tamborine.
lol. just a funny picture. :)
>> "energy, intensity, eclecticism" - robert fripp
>
> "lions and tigers and bears" - dorothy
"moo, moo, moo" - some cow
>I first want to thank all the jammers who posted useless shit in jam 2112.
>It was some great reading material.
You're very, very welcome, Fajita Wrap Belhai.
> You know why girls love drummers. Look at what drummers use to hit the
>drums. Sticks. Use your imagination enough and you know what we can translate
>sticks into.
What the hell is this? Have hordes of women been sending me subtle (rage)
signs that they wanna drum with my stick, and I've been completely oblivious
to that fact? Yeesh.
I'm gonna go whack off.
Ben Laussade
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Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 15:58:08 -0500 (EST)
From: "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Please help! I NEED a shirt!
Message-ID: <199612152101.QAA01853@umbc10.umbc.edu>
I was unable to grab a shirt last night at the Birch Hell.
Does anyone have an extra or know of some way that I can
get one? I would like one of the maroon ones in XL but if not,
any one of them in XL would be great too!!
BTW - anyone know if the keyboard chick from Einstein if available? :)
Wow! Her playing was just as beautiful as she was. I'm in love. :)
Anyone know if their CD has pictures? :)
I sure hope that DT picks up a producer that likes Images and Words
so he can help them re-work the new stuff a little. Most of
them had the CIAW-feel to them. A bunch of connected, rhythmic,
riffs. Sounded like White Zombie. Not enough of Images and Words
era DT. The new stuff didn't sound as ... hmmmm... majestic as
the older stuff. I know it's almost impossible to digest a DT
song on one listen so I'll try not to be too critcal until
I hear the final versions on the album a couple of times.
I was also in one of my "Man, I really miss Kevin" moods last night. :(
It was great that they let us in on time and that we didn't have to wait
to wait until midnight to hear some music. The 1st band went
on 9:45 and DT played from 11-1am. Too bad the bouncers kicked
everyone out just when the band started to come out.
Did anyone stay outside to meet the band after being booted by
the bouncers?
Also, PLEASE say that someone taped this show. Let me know if
you have a copy, I have lots to trade. Thanks a ton!
-- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \ / / L. Jason Hartman "And I'll smile and I'll learn to pretend \ \ lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu And I'll never be open again / / And I'll have no more dreams to defend \ \ Univ. Of Maryland, And I'll never be open again " / / Baltimore County - Kevin Moore : Dream Theater \ \ / / "Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot." \ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/------------------------------
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 21:35:28 -0700 From: "woot" <sir@micron.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: another stupid fight about to start... Message-ID: <199612160438.VAA22835@snowden.micron.net>
>The intro to killling hand is normally another hand. however, last night >they used To live forever (instrumentally) as an intro.....JUST LIKE LIVE AT >THE MARQUEE. So, stan, YOU should know your dream theater. you will still >be you tomorrow when you find out that you are WRONG.
Um... I don't know which copy of LatM you have, but on mine the intro to TKH was AH not TLF. This would tend to poke holes in your theory that you are right and that other guy is wrong. Sorry about that, but you being newly subscribed and all, I felt it necessary to defend the elder.
BTW, welcome back to the ytsejam. Enjoy your stay :)
woot
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 00:12:20 -0500 From: WildKoba@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: drinking devices Message-ID: <961216001220_1686718526@emout10.mail.aol.com>
a keytar would be really good, but then i'm sure someone would then start suggesting that derek's sexual orientation would be questionable after that- cause god knows, tony kaye uses one in the "love will find a way" video, and we all know what we think of tony kaye, after he butchers "heart of the sunrise" on the box set.
anyways, damon, you bring along a bottle of the finest tequila you find, and we'll have plenty to drink and discuss. as for bafu, i'll have his fruit punch ready to go, too.
kisses, ytsegoon.
**************************************************************** david kobayashi wildkoba@aol.com dkoba8375@aol.com
"my yellow in this case is not so mellow, in fact, i'm trying to say it's frightened like me. and all of these emotions of mine keep holding me from giving my life to a rainbow like you...." -j. hendrix
"through nature's inflexible grace, i'm learning to live." - j. myung ****************************************************************
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Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 23:30:39 +0000 From: "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@MO.NET> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Japan PPV Message-ID: <199612160525.XAA21056@Walden.MO.NET>
Hey, anyone out there know where I could get a copy of this? I've heard so friggin' much about it, and only now have asked anything (yeah, yeah, I know I'm behind here). Anyway, thank you, and goodnight.
Dale R. Newberry
P.S. Y'know, I was just remembering a review of an Extreme show I read about a while back that said they covered VH's "Hot for Teacher." Hmm, a sign? :)
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Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 23:57:19 -0500 (EST) From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu> To: "Ytse Fuckin' Jam" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Stuff Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9612152313.A4837-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
Man, not only did I miss 2112, but I missed 2113, 2114, *and* 2115! And all because of finals. To hell with school, that's what I say! :)
Some thoughts:
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> From: vanzin@dks.com.br > Subject: AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH! > > This post is a total waste of bandwidth, and I know it, and am > sending it cause I'm kinda pissed off (flames privately, please :) )
Oh, well, um... well, how can you flame someone that admits he's wrong?
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> From: William T Bajzek <wb2a+@andrew.cmu.edu> > Subject: re: keys and penises > > this is completely false. if this were true, everyone would play the > chapman stick. look at http://clever.net/stick/stickwire/. the stick > is the single most phallic instrument in existence, except possibly > for those flutes that are actually sculpted to look like penes.
Yeah, but the guitar sort of sticks out from mid-body, while the Stick is resting on the ground. Well, I guess if you're... oh, never mind. Forget I brought it up. Uh, huh huh. I said "up."
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> From: Brian <DreamNDay@dreamt.org> > Subject: WOOHOO! > > >Subject: YTSEJAM digest 2112 > WOOHOO! Now when are we gonna get to YTSEJAM digest 5150? ;)
Probably sometime in March.
:)
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> From: Ben Laussade <laussade@sprynet.com> > Subject: In Regards to the Keys vs. Guitars Argument > > Face it, guys. Drummers rule the planet.
Did you hear about the guitarist who locked his keys in his car? It took him an hour to get his drummer out.
:)
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> From: Drummnstan@aol.com > Subject: help. > > anyone, i repeat anyone on the jame, if you bootlegged the birch hill show > PLEASE< PLEASE<PLEASEPPPPPLEASE let us know as there is probably a great > amount of people who want a cory and would do anything for it.
The band asked that these shows not be taped. Yeah, ok, I didn't think that would hold up either. But if you're going to trade boots of these shows, at least be discreet about it. The band doesn't want them traded, and the band reads this. Have some courtesy, have some sympathy, and sone taste.
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> From: HowWee@aol.com > Subject: stan > > be you tomorrow when you find out that you are WRONG. listen to TLF on > either TSM or Lie single (i forget which one) and you will know what the fuck > I am talking about. how dare you insult me over the jam like > that....ASSHOLE. have a merry fucking x-mas, if that is possible for your > anal retentive, self centered, assanine, stupid self. fuck you very much
Yay! Another flame war!! Bigman, you got that popcorn ready yet?
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> From: Drummnstan@aol.com > Subject: BH boot > > please anyone on the jam if you bootlegged the Birch Hill Show, email me and > we can set up something, i really need a tape from this show.
I SAID... oh, never mind.
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary & Webmaster cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 00:00:38 +0000 From: Phillip <pkish@sprynet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: WAR!!!! KILL THEM ALL!!!! DEATH!!!!! Message-ID: <32B49126.5F02@sprynet.com>
hey there.
Wow...the ytsejam has really become a warzone.... These people WANT to be hated. Ok. Kill them...death...Settle down everyone. Peace and stuff. Christmas sure brings out the best in us, doesn't it?
And Howard, ummmm...you're wrong man.
I got onto 2112 but i misspelled epitome. Sorry.
One question for you Enchant fans...who plays Keys on "Wounded"?
later
Phillip
cool CD of the day: Masquerade "Surface of Pain"
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 00:09:45 -0600 From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Ivanhoe Message-ID: <2.2.32.19961216060945.00708228@enteract.com>
>Just a quick note about Ivanhoe. I recently traded a DT cd bootleg of mine >for an Ivanhoe cd.
Ivanhoe is good.... but their cds are readily available for under $13. What bootleg was it?
Chris W. Ptacek Musician and Listener A.K.A Madsman, on IRC
"Can we search for inspiration -- those ideas that just come from 'nowhere'? They don't surface when you're tHiNKinG. They just come. What we CAN do is make fertile the ground on which idea seeds fall." - Michael Hedges
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 01:23:50 -0500 From: Brian Wherry <bwherry@bu.edu> To: The Jam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Birch Heaven Message-ID: <32B4EAF6.5294@bu.edu>
"Birch Hell" just isn't an appropriate nickname, IMHO. Every time I've been there to see DT, the show has been great, and I've gotten to meet lots of jammers, and it has always been a good time all around. This past weekend was no exception. Many thanks to Heather Powers for setting up the TGIF shindig and for the snack (Dew never tasted so good!). Thanks also to Skadz and Chris DiGiuseppe for everything! Thanks also to Anthony and the rest of Clockwork for the excellent listening material! :) DTC: The new tunes sounded great. At New Haven and Providence the keys seemed really low in the mix and thus some of the harmonies were difficult to make out, but at Birch Heaven Derek was more audible and it sounded great! Guitar enthusiasts: The Ibanez JPM for this coming year is the same axe, but once again with a new color scheme. The color scheme for '97 is the black and white version that's on the 7-string. Time to get another credit card.... :) Uhhh..... I really should be studying. Okay, I'll get back to that. John Saveur, (and anyone else that has a functional sound card) follow the link below. :)
Wacky
ps- Huichi, D-Man, Elliott, Jon P., Jeremy, Binky, Mike B., ...... all you guys are coming next time, even if I have to pick you all up myself! :) -- /* * User: Brian Wherry, bwherry@bu.edu, bwherry@cs.bu.edu * School: Boston University College of Engineering * Web: http://acs.bu.edu:8001/~bwherry/ * Quote: "Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur." */
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 01:28:24 -0500 (EST) From: Stephen Daedalus <Mathew.J.Birskovich@williams.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2115 Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.961216012639.2501E-100000@colrain.williams.edu>
Please friends, I'm anal retentiv and I need help. I'm going home for a three-week xmas vacation and won't have access to e-mail. I'm unsubscribing so I don't plow through jams when I return. Please, if anything really cool comes up that jammers should know about, e-mail me. I know it's a sick addiction, but don't make me go through withdrawl. It's too painful. Be wll. M B
"Mary: Why is there evil in the world, Alexandra? Alexandra: To thicken the plot." (On the Verge, )
"The dead are rarely violent." (Shawn Rosenheim, Asst. Prof. Williams College)
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 01:45:35 -0600 From: abraham omman <omman@uit.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2115 Message-ID: <199612160745.BAA21000@dns.uit.net>
OkAY, a lot of people have mentioned this, and so am I. Anyone with a BH boot, or any of the recent shows Boot, please email me! I live out in kansas, and don't get an opportunity to see DT as much as you lucky dogs in the East do (last time I saw them was over two years ago!!, it was the first time to). So if any jammer out there is feeling in a especially spirited Christmas mood, email me at omman@sky.net. Thanks a lot! James
[Signature File] Name=abraham omman Email=omman@uit.net
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 02:53:25 +0000 From: James Enering <darksider@earthlink.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Birch Hill Message-ID: <32B4B9A0.3661@earthlink.net>
Hey Jammers,
With my first post, I would like to say...the Birch Hill show kicked my ass...AGAIN. I went to Last years BH show, and this years was just as great, if not better. BTW, the new shit is f**k*ng awsome!!!
with that said, I have to tell you all that I am extremely confused. in Take the Time, it is writen:
"Close your eyes, you can find all you need in your mind."
now in Lines in the sand, or Burning my soul (I think it is one of those, I only heard it at the show once. :-) ), it is writen:
"Close your mind, you can find all you need with your eyes."
now I am totally lost, I can't goto my mind for the answers, and I can't goto my eyes either.....HELP!!!!!!
Oh Yeah...LadyDragon, I also noticed that James did that thing with his tongue on the highnotes.
one last thing, I would like to know if there are any more ytsejam shirts available.
Darksider darksider@earthlink.net
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 03:28:13 +0000 From: James Enering <darksider@earthlink.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Saveur's review Message-ID: <32B4C1C4.5B4A@earthlink.net>
Right on man. Your review in the 2114 jam was right on the money. Very kewl.I was right ain front of the mixing boards on JP's side, and the sound was very good. A bit on the load side, but the mixing was pretty good.
Hey Bafu, Portnoys Drum kit was awsome man. A killer round pipe setup, with the awsome TAMA double pumpers leadin it on. No Graphix yet. the drums themselves where white that blended to purple at the top.
On an older note, If anyone is interested in older material, I have a bootleg video of the Foundations Forum show from just before Awake came out. I will be getting a PO box soon and I'll be happy to get it to you when that happens. I am not asking for any money, all I am asking ind a video tape, and return postage for that tape. I'll post when I get the PO box set up. BTY, I personaly recorded this show from the camera riser at the back of the ballrom, so I was above the crowd (big plus). the audio is very good too, considering that it was cone on a small Camcorder.
darksider darksider@earthlink.net
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 03:19:38 -0800 From: Mike Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Birch Hell, Jam 2112, Engine Lights, ACK! Message-ID: <32B5304A.187A@umbc.edu>
Hello Jammers,
Jam 2112 happened. Not much else I can say there.
Thanks Kevin for the account of our trip to Birch Hill. There for a while I figured that we would eventually end up in New York City. Neither of us we doing a great job at navigating on route 9. We missed the hotel, the club, and the correct TGIF. How many K-mart plazas with TGIFs can one town have? I've necided never to move to New Jersey. I'd rather stand naked shouting racial obscenities in the Bronx. Jug-handles are certainly tools created by Satan to waste valuable time. I bet people in Jersey spend at least four days out of the year in total time sitting at lights in the jug-handles. Toll-roads are also inherently evil. Maryland may not be the best state in the USA, but at least you can correct directional errors without too much hassle. I was impressed that Kevin was still thanking toll collectors for taking our money at 4AM on Sunday. I would have been fed up by that point.
Hello to everyone who we ran into at the TGIF. BTW Kevin and I were the two guys who came in at about 7:30PM, Kevin was in Red Wings garb, I was the extremely tall guy in the trenchcoat, black jeans, and black Ytsejam sweatshirt. We annexed the table next to all of the jammmers, much to the dismay of the hostess. <grin> I think Birch Hill was one of the worst places to see a concert. I've seen about 100 concerts in about 50 venues, and this place was the shits. It was way too small. I think they should have moved the concert out to the deck bar. I was waiting for the announcer man to yell, "Live sex all night, on the deck bar!" Just to get some people out there.
The driveway to Birch Hill was like driving through the craters of the moon. A Tercel could fall completely into some of the smaller ones. And the large ones!
I'm going to need to hear more of the new material to get an appreciation for it.
I wanted to hang around and meet the band <Hello James and Mike, who are probably lurking...> but I was tired as hell and everyone else seemed to be hanging around, so that meant it wasn't likely that I'd get to meet anyone. Kevin and I split back to Maryland. I got back to grandma's at 5AM. I left my keys in the house, since I planned to get a hotel room and not come back until later on Sunday. So I couldn't get into my car to drive home. My grandparents had a key buried in the lawn so I had to find that at 5AM so I didn't have to wake them up. Fortunately I found it and got the car keys. Drove home and got to bed at 6AM Sunday. ACK! Some long crazy trip. Kevin could probably sleep on the way back, his car didn't need him to hit the accelerator. <grin>
Hello to Kevin, Jason, Steve, Skadz, Ibanez, Syrinx, and everyone else whom I met and am forgetting. The discography guy is signing off and going to get some sleep. The never ending quest for finding a job needs to continue tommorrow!
Later,
Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Michael Backof mbacko1@umbc.edu http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1 WWW Pages - Unsigned Bands: http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/munsign.html WWW Pages - Inferno Page: http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/inferno.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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