YTSEJAM Digest 2097
Today's Topics:
1) NDTC - Good News in Australia
by Eddy M <edrock@connexus.apana.org.au>
2) JGHG, not-a-flame, Superior going Techno, DTIFC present
by "Ollila Marko" <marko.ollila@metsaserla.fi>
3) recommendations
by trevorw@ms.kallback.com
4) Re: recommendations
by Mika Numminen <te95mne@student.hgs.se>
5) New Album from Kevin Moore (Chroma Key) (fwd)
by "'THE HAND...' R. Ananda" <spod@u.washington.edu>
6) Shhhh!
by Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
7) Re: Shhhh!
by Mika Numminen <te95mne@student.hgs.se>
8) Superior Video
by Bernd Basmer <basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de>
9) I forgot, Strand show....
by Timothy Adams <adamst@wasc.egginc.com>
10) DTC and Ramblings
by Timothy Adams <adamst@wasc.egginc.com>
11) Captain Kirk's Arse Hair
by nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop)
12) Ytse-keychain
by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
13) ...or how to take your girl to a DT gig
by akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
14) Re: Keyboardists
by Stephen Daedalus <Mathew.J.Birskovich@williams.edu>
15)
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
16) Kevin Moore Pic Debate
by e8825527@student.tuwien.ac.at (LoneWolf)
17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2096
by David Gamble <dgamble@cs.uop.edu>
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Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 19:59:28 -0800
From: Eddy M <edrock@connexus.apana.org.au>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: NDTC - Good News in Australia
Message-ID: <32AF8320.41B@connexus.apana.org.au>
Steve Vai is touring in February...hooray for widdly widdly (-:
Eddy M
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Date: 11 Dec 96 12:15:34 +0200
From: "Ollila Marko" <marko.ollila@metsaserla.fi>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: JGHG, not-a-flame, Superior going Techno, DTIFC present
Message-ID: <9612111215.aa34@tppalv2.metsaserla.fi>
Hi U all,
JennieBear wrote about _Johnny Got His Gun_...
>I would forewarn people in saying that it is *extremely* depressing.
Yay! Could someone tell me (in private email) where can I get this book.
Vincent LuPone wrote the harshest not-a-flame I've seen in my entire life.
I'm tellin' you Vince, don't start a flamewar with Damon, you have no chance
in hell to come out a winner. None. Vince, you even did this:
>Why are you "bdeclaring" war? On the same topic, what is "bdeclaring"
>anyway, hmm?
Now you're not being very mature, are you? I'd say, that circumstances being
what they are, Damon spells AND types better than you do. I swear I'll eat a
hatful of dung (and I'm not usually a coprophage) if Damon isn't going to get
upset because of your "good fun"...and as the famous Ytse-saying goes:
You're being a dick. Besides, I'm just testing how harsh a "not-a-flame" can
go. You see, this isn't a flame either. Just IMO. Get it, you can't hide
behind the almighty "IMO" everytime you start jumping all over people. You
wanna flame me for this? Get in the f**king ring, but take a look in the
mirror first and see the one who started it.
>Peace be with you and God bless,
Yeah right, you too.
Bernd Basmer threatened us:
>Hmm. Maybe we should do a Tekkno song... then we would be on the radio in
>Germany too... :)
Bernd!!! Remember the high-voiced mailmen, hmm? You still intending to do
a techno tune?
Spiff revealed:
>The pressie is...
>
>The new album!
I wouldn't want it as it is now, unproduced. Or then again, I might. Well,
I'll just ignore you.
_Mape_
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Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 02:54:15 -0800
From: trevorw@ms.kallback.com
Subject: recommendations
Message-ID: <199612111054.CAA00145@ms.kallback.com>
Hi,
I just got on the list and would appreciate any recommendations of bands in
the same vein as DT. I already listen to FW, Savatage, Queensryche, Rush,
the more known ones. Maybe some lesser known ones, but available on cd. Also
more classical like Yngwie M. and J. Becker.
Thanks
ps anyone else really into Savatage (Gutter Ballet thru TS Orchestra) email
me personally.
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Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 12:05:31 +0100
From: Mika Numminen <te95mne@student.hgs.se>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: recommendations
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19961211110531.1dcf1cb6@pop.student.hgs.se>
At 03.01 1996-12-11 -0800, someone wrote:
>
> Hi,
>I just got on the list and would appreciate any recommendations of bands in
>the same vein as DT. I already listen to FW, Savatage, Queensryche, Rush,
>the more known ones. Maybe some lesser known ones, but available on cd. Also
>more classical like Yngwie M. and J. Becker.
>Thanks
Shadow Gallery
Symphony X
Psychotic Waltz
Heads or Tales
Ivanhoe
Sieges Even
Superior
etc.
etc.
etc.
etc.
Mika Numminen, aka Viking
MAIL: te95mne@student.hgs.se
URL: http://www.hgs.se/~te95mne
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"Whoever fights monsters should see to
it that in the process he does not become
a monster. And when you look long into an
abyss, the abyss also looks into you."
Nietzsche "Beyond good and evil"
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Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 03:06:03 -0800 (PST)
From: "'THE HAND...' R. Ananda" <spod@u.washington.edu>
To: Fucknuts <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: New Album from Kevin Moore (Chroma Key) (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.PTX.3.95c.961211030354.1043B-100000@carson.u.washington.edu>
I got this off of alt.music.dream-theater. Thought some of you
kids would be interested.
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 00:22:39 GMT
From: Rick Atkinson <atkinson@atl.mindspring.com>
Newsgroups: alt.music.dream-theater
Subject: New Album from Kevin Moore (Chroma Key)
I was just checking out the web page for Chroma Key...
The album should be completed 12/24/96 and released through Fight Evil
Records (Kevin's independent label) and through the internet.
No word on who is on it (Mark Zonder?)
I urge those who have not heard Chroma Key to give it a try. At least
go to the web page (www.chromakey.com) and check out some wav files.
Don't expect DT, though. It's more keyboard oriented, industrial/pop,
with good lyrics (I really hate trying to describe music with words!)
Rick
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Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 06:29:08 -0500 (EST)
From: Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Shhhh!
Message-ID: <199612111129.GAA22537@beasley>
I vote....never to tell the slack non-DTIFC members what the Holiday
Surprise is. HAH! That'll learn 'em! It will be our little secret. Even
though I haven't gotten mine yet, I'm p-r-e-t-t-y sure what it is. Yup.
++++++++
Someone suggested "older" Tangerine Dream work. Well, can that person (or
anyone, for that matter) please tell me which stuff of theirs is the "older"
stuff? Tanks a bunch.
Now Playing: The Jongleurs, "Hello My Name Is..."
-Rick
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
\****************** Richard S. Audet ******************/
/*************** ytse@cris.com ****************\
\**** Graduate Student in Electrical Engineering ****/
/********* University of Florida *********\
\***** B.S.E.E. & B.Music MUE University of Miami, 1995 ****/
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
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Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 12:37:33 +0100
From: Mika Numminen <te95mne@student.hgs.se>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Shhhh!
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19961211113733.084f81be@pop.student.hgs.se>
At 03.32 1996-12-11 -0800, Rick wrote:
>
>I vote....never to tell the slack non-DTIFC members what the Holiday
>Surprise is. HAH! That'll learn 'em! It will be our little secret. Even
>though I haven't gotten mine yet, I'm p-r-e-t-t-y sure what it is. Yup.
>
Yeah! Let's not tell them!! :)
Mika Numminen, aka Viking
MAIL: te95mne@student.hgs.se
URL: http://www.hgs.se/~te95mne
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"Whoever fights monsters should see to
it that in the process he does not become
a monster. And when you look long into an
abyss, the abyss also looks into you."
Nietzsche "Beyond good and evil"
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Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 12:38:43 +0100
From: Bernd Basmer <basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Superior Video
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19961211113843.00687f70@krzsun.med-rz.uni-sb.de>
Hi!
Mape wrote:
>So, Superior's had airplay in Finland and Australia. Any others? Bernd,
>will there be a Superior video in the works anytime soon? I'm not talking
>about a full feature home video, but one for MTV/VIVA etc.? It'd be a blast
>to see a Superior clip on MTV...
Yes it would be but it won't be. :) There are no clips planned for
this album. Maybe for the next. I don't know. These things are
expensive!!
Bye.
Bernd.
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Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 08:13:19 -0500
From: Timothy Adams <adamst@wasc.egginc.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: I forgot, Strand show....
Message-ID: <s2ae6ce2.051@wasc.egginc.com>
All you's thinking about sneaking in to Birch Hill......come to the Strand in
Providence. It's an all ages show!!! Also, can we still join the DTIFC?? I
have scheck book ready and would really enjoy the little surprise!!!!
THanks again!!
-Tim
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Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 08:10:18 -0500
From: Timothy Adams <adamst@wasc.egginc.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DTC and Ramblings
Message-ID: <s2ae6c3a.050@wasc.egginc.com>
Hey folks,
I was thinking the other day about the DT shows I've been to and their
opening bands. I remember the Galactic Cowboys opening for them at
the Rocky Point Pav. several years ago. Then, I saw them at Berklee on
OCT 21, 1994 and I believe IME opened as well as another band. Anyone
recall who that was??? Then I saw them at the Strand during the
Awake tour, I believe and the opening band was giving out cassettes but
I'm not sure I remember who they were either. And then.......the 6 hour
wait, the patience,.........man, DT fans are patient...remember the
El-N-Gee show?? he he he .....The shitty part is I got free tickets for both
shows because I did the artwork and flyers for the club for that show
but the idiot who runs the club freaking made me stand in line even
though I did ALL the stuff for FREE!!!! Anyway, the second show was a
lot smoother. Did anyone tape the first show at the Gee??? I remember
they played ACOS from start to finish at that show but didn't play it at the
second one. If anyone did tape it, I may have some interesting things to
trade for it......Also, a local station videoed PMU on the second night. I'm
trying to get my dirty little hands on that now. If I get it, I'll get it to
someone who can dub and we'll all share in the glory!!!
Ciao for now, and thanks for listening to my rambling thoughts, it's early
ya' know....
-Tim (the guy with no sig because they take up space)
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Date: Wed, 11 Dec 96 14:38:21 +0100
From: nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: nga@server3.software-ag.de
Subject: Captain Kirk's Arse Hair
Message-ID: <9612111338.AA00256@sundoc13.software-ag.de>
Hi all
Did I really say Captain Kirk's Arse Hair? I meant, of course, Spock's Beard.
As you may have guessed by now, my long awaited copy of "The Light" by Spock's
Beard finally made it into my grubby little claws, together with two other new
CDs that you may be interested in, so here are my typically subjective reviews.
HEAVENWOOD - Diva
Heavenwood are a six-piece band from Portugal and they are already making quite
a name for themselves in Europe as one of the bands to watch for. This album
is sure to please anybody who likes their music just a little bit darker and
heavier - sounds like Amorphis, Theatre Of Tragedy, Moonspell, Tiamat and
Paradise Lost all rolled into one. As Oliver Twist said, "Please Sir, I want
some more".
ULVER - Kveldssanger
Staying in good old Europe, we move on to Ulver, who come from Norway. This
album is in danger of becoming one of my regular companions on cold winter
nights, when the only other things I have to comfort me are my girlfriend,
a bottle of good whisky and my loathing for most of the rest of humanity.
Just three guys, acoustic guitars, flutes, a cello or two and vocals, which
adds up to some wonderfully atmospheric, romantic, melancholy and intensely
satisfying music. Special thanks to Mape for the recommendation, which I can
only pass on to the rest of you.
SPOCK'S BEARD - The Light
There has already been quite a lot of talk about this one on the jam. This is
one that you really have to sit down and listen to, otherwise you're going to
miss a lot and possibly end up not liking it. I'll start with what I don't like
and then go onto the positive stuff. To begin with, I think the lyrics are
terrible, the sort of stuff that 13-14 year old kids would write for class
assignments. Also there are a couple of whiney bitches who do backing vocals
like on Pink Floyd's "Dark Side Of The Moon" and they detract from the music.
And apart from the piano playing, which sometimes gets a bit too jazzy for my
taste, that's about all that I don't like. Now on to the good bits. Four great
tracks (I hesitate to call them songs) that take you on a roller coaster ride
through some fantasic progressive music. Sometimes the bass player sounds so
much like Chris Squire it's unreal. I was pleasantly surprised by most of the
vocals, some of which remind me of John Lennon's later stuff. Two of my all-time
favourite keyboard instruments make a welcome return: the Hammond organ and the
Mellotron (nostalgia rules). The influences of this band are simply too
numerous to mention, but am I the only one who can clearly hear Steeley Dan
in there? I might have liked the album just a bit heavier, but overall a very
nice job, and one that I think will appeal to nearly all jammers. Now, how about
a band called McKoy's Armpit?
On the favourite short track thing, my vote goes to "Yeah" by Kyuss on their
album "Blues For The Red Sky": don't blink or you'll miss it.
Bernd Basmer proposed collecting for poor musicians and bands. I can only assume
that he meant financially challenged (political correctness) as opposed to
musically inadequate (there are more than enough of the latter already, without
rewarding them in cash). Oh, the pitfalls of the English language.
It sounds like it was easier to get into and out off East Germany (RIP) than to
get into a club in America. Any security guard here who insisted on seeing my
driving licence before letting me into a concert that I've paid for would soon
find out just how bad-tempered a 6 feet 2 inch, 250 pound ex-rugby player can
get: Mike Portnoy would have to scrape him off the wall.
And my last point today is in my capacity as inofficial provider of Ytse
drinks. The so-called festive season will soon be upon us, so here is my
receipe for Ytse Christmas Punch:
1 liter good red wine
1/4 liter cognac
1/4 liter Cointreau
Cinnamon and cloves to taste
250 g sugar
Sliced oranges and lemons
Heat all of this together gently (don't let it boil) until the sugar dissolves.
Keep warm. Drink slowly and carefully. Perhaps the world isn't such a bad place
after all (and don't blame me if you get a hangover).
stay safe and happy listening
Neil Gallop
(nga@software-ag.de)
Currently playing: Kerbdog - Kerbdog
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Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 08:50:42 -0500 (EST)
From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Ytse-keychain
Message-ID: <v01520d01aed3a8a6685b@[207.90.116.90]>
>Someone should design and make a Ytsejam keychain....or maybe
>just a metal one in the shape of the Majesty symbol.
D-man, you rule!! What a great idea!!
Anybody out there good at doing stuff like that, or have connections?? A
metal Majesty symbol keychain would kick...
Dan
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Dan Temmesfeld - dantemm@erinet.com / s1133627@cedarville.edu
"Home of the Galactic Cowboys Page"
http://www.cedarville.edu/student/s1133627/gcowboys.htm
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Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 15:11:49 +0100
From: akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: ...or how to take your girl to a DT gig
Message-ID: <v03007800aed46fc11dc8@[128.178.99.38]>
>Subject: Girlfriends and Dream Theater
>Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.961203000905.23503C-100000@thunder.ocis.temple.edu>
>em that I hope a few of you maybe able to help me out. I
>asked my girlfriend to go see Dream Theater with me at Birch Hill in a 2
>weeks. She said yes (after some convincing) but now she is trying to
>back out of going. She says she isn't into Dream Theater at all...or any
>type of that music. SHe is into club music and all. SHe hasn't really
>listened to DT that much. SO my question is...how do I get her to really
>want to go and have a good time while she is there???
well, tell her you'll go clubbin with her in exchange of her going to see
DT with you. Say you've already bought the two ticks, because she already
said YES. You take care of taking her there, and i'm pretty sure DT will
take care of the rest.
If all that doesn't work, then gently tell her she's a narrow-minded
capricious egoist bitch.
.............................................
D A V E K I N G
b a s s & v o x
M T 2 0
p r o g m e t a l
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Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 09:55:07 -0500 (EST)
From: Stephen Daedalus <Mathew.J.Birskovich@williams.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Keyboardists
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.961211095000.23079A-100000@colrain.williams.edu>
All I have to say is Trent Resner, WHO-da-fuck from Smashing Pumpkins,
Ambient music, Yani, Who-da-Fuck from Black Crows, Who-da-fuck from Sonic
Youth, etc. There are just as many shitty keyboardists who can only make
little sound-effects as shitty guitarists who can only play power chords.
Respected guitarists (not musicians) need to have some tallent. I think
many guitarists could out-shred many, if not all, keyboardists. I may
just not have heard the right keyboardists, though. So fuck this whole
idea of war because it sucks and makes every guitarist and keyboardist
bitter. I think they're both integral to a full-sounding band. Be well.
Matt B
"Mary: Why is there evil in the world, Alexandra?
Alexandra: To thicken the plot." (On the Verge, )
"The dead are rarely violent." (Shawn Rosenheim, Asst. Prof. Williams College)
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Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 09:39:02 -0600
From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19961211153902.006eefc0@enteract.com>
>Hey, Bafu. Keyboard players slow? Well, buddy, let me tell you something.
>You're just jealous.
No, he was just joking.
>All you guitar players are. Because overall, keyboard
>players are better musicians.
Takes a real ignorant asswipe to say that (as much as I think you're a great
guy, that statement is in ridiculously bad taste.)
>Yeah, there are your exceptional guitarists
>like Vai and JP, but for the most part, guitarists can learn three power
>chords and become millionaires.
So can keyboardists. You overestimate the number of guitarists that can
pull that feat off. That and the fact that no self respecting musician
would stop learning once he(she) gained success with his(her) "Three Power
Chords".
>Hey, look at Nirvana. Power chord central.
>But try to get a keyboardist to play power chords. Sounds crappy. We're
>forced to be good because keyboardists can't fake it.
What a bunch of bullshit. If _I_ can fake it on keys and have been playing
for 3 months, anyone can. I DARE you to say that all keyboardists are good.
I can prove you wrong myself.
>You guitarists can fake
>it better than women can. Therefore, you're losers.
Thank you. You're insane.
> Now can you say that Elton John is better than Marty Friedman? How
>about Derek Sherinian being better than Gary Hoey? John Tesh being better
>than James Hetfield? Billy Joel better than Stevie Ray Vaughn? Of course
>not. Each plays a different style of music than the other and each is
>excellent in their own right (except for Tesh--he's an alien, you know ;)~ ).
Exactly. John Tesh escaped from Roswell New Mexico.
> Hey, look at Dream Theater. Unless you can play everything that
>Petrucci can play, note for note, go home and keep playing with yourself
>while saying lightly, "All guitarists suck, all guitarists suck." ;)~
Wham bam you said it for me.
>>...the keyboard bashing will come to an end today.
How about this whole dumb ass war ends now. I don't feel sorry for
keyboardists, and I won't be convinced to. Hasn't the whole Jason Becker
issue taught you anything? How god damn petty is this problem? Why should
we sit here and listen to people whine about it? Grow some nads and make an
impression with your music, not your mouth.
Chris W. Ptacek Musician and Listener
A.K.A Madsman, on IRC
"Can we search for inspiration -- those ideas that just come
from 'nowhere'? They don't surface when you're tHiNKinG.
They just come. What we CAN do is make fertile the ground
on which idea seeds fall."
- Michael Hedges
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Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 17:54:07 +0100
From: e8825527@student.tuwien.ac.at (LoneWolf)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Kevin Moore Pic Debate
Message-ID: <9612111654.AA24050@stud1.tuwien.ac.at>
Hi Jammers !
I really didn't want to start another hair debate on the jam.
I scanned the picture because I wanted to give everyone the
chance to see what Kevin looks like now.
And please, stop that crap about Kevin and Oasis !
Don't even think about it. He's still my favourite musician
and keyboardist, and if you are a serious jammer, you should
pay respect to the man. Without him, this all wouldn't have
been possible.
Yes, it's the music that counts.
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Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 09:06:26 -0800 (PST)
From: David Gamble <dgamble@cs.uop.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2096
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.961211085929.7324A-100000@uop.cs.uop.edu>
Why oh why do we of the DTIFC have to tease those who are not yet in
it?!? Why don't we just tell them the truth about what our present is?
It's not toilet paper (sick-but godawful funny), nor the new album.
People, the guys in Dream Theater have graced us with.......
OUR VERY OWN AUTOGRAPHED POLAROID OF PETRUCCI's NEW TWINS....
YEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!
(Inside Joke to DTIFC) - I just got finished wrapping up the blonde to
send to Derek..... how big should the airholes be???
_____TRACK 6, PEOPLE !!!!!______
DAVE GAMBLE -- Sanguine Surroundings....
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