YTSEJAM Digest 2100
Today's Topics:
1) rahh (c)skadz 199(?)
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
2) Re: keyboards, etc.
by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
3) Re: Keyboards again
by Stephen Daedalus <Mathew.J.Birskovich@williams.edu>
4) keys, and a thank you
by sykes@inwave.com
5) books for kids
by shields@onr.com (Jim Shields)
6) I got my X-Mas Surprise too! / Extreme Fans!
by Joseph Cristina <joecr@ici.net>
7) Q: Ayreon _Final Experiment_ \ Tangerine Dream (TD)
by Walter Semerenko <walter@orlinter.com>
8) Clockwork
by "Anthony N. Sciamanna" <st96d6z4@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu>
9) Tofu?!
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
10) Double CD makes sense
by Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
11) Trent Reznor not talented?
by "Mark D. Scudder" <mark@tier.net>
12) A Stupid Recording Question
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
13) Techno
by Bernd Basmer <basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de>
14)
by Henrik Gustafsson <henrik@thn.htu.se>
15) A Merry Christmas to me, you, all
by Henrik Gustafsson <henrik@thn.htu.se>
16) DT show complaints
by tallufo@juno.com (Tall UFO Productions)
17) D-man's CD Player and Keychains...
by Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
18) Hello all!!
by Dani Trias <dt4318@speedy.udg.es>
19) Kiss not crap!!!
by dfirns@arch.uwa.edu.au (Daniel Firns)
20) SG re-release
by akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
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Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 20:53:36 -0600
From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: rahh (c)skadz 199(?)
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19961212025336.006cbf60@mail.inlink.com>
there we go :)
~Rip
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Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 19:09:09 +0000
From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: keyboards, etc.
Message-ID: <199612120219.TAA06395@cyberhighway.net>
> I don't know. I always see want ads for bass and drums, bass and drums,
> vocalist, vocalist, female vocalist, etc. and of course the page and a half
> of guitar ads. You know what i saw for work for keyboardists? Arranging
> children's songs. Come on, people, I am a musician too. Oh well, time to
> practice my useless instrument.
Heck, that's the damn truth, too. The only thing I've done in my
career so far (besides nothing) is play bass and guitars for the band
I was in in high school. I have been asked to rearrange "I'll Be
Home For Christmas" as a wistful, sorrowful song for a friend's
Church Christmas pageant. It's gonna be kewl. She's setting the
theme of the pageant to match that of Trans-Siberian Orchestra's story
about the girl lost in the city. She though this song would be
rather fitting if it were sorrowful. I'm not going to have much time
to do it, but I'm really anxious to see how it turns out. Depressing
Christmas carols take one!
Laterz!
KorgX3 NOT The "Other" Ibanez (anymore)
ibanez@cyberhighway.net
"Well, I try to write music that Indiana Jones would listen to."
--David Arkenstone
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Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 22:36:46 -0500 (EST)
From: Stephen Daedalus <Mathew.J.Birskovich@williams.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Keyboards again
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.961211222944.1593A-100000@colrain.williams.edu>
I just wanted to say that my first instrument was piano. Yes, I'm not all
that good and something like Wait for Sleep or Night Swimming by REM is
about the limit of my tallent, but I still enjoy composition and stuff on
the piano. I think a piano can be just as expressive as a guitar. If you
listen closely, every piano, organ, and harpsichord sound totally
different. Pianos also have great volume varients and the ability to play
some completely impressive chords (agreeing with whoever said that
before.) I love listening to a iano more than a synth usually, but you
can vary tone on one of those just as much as you can on a guitar. I've
heard no keyboardists who play exactly alike. I think Mercury and people
like that made the keyboard part of actual Rock as well. I wish more
people would play an actual accoustic keyboard on their alboms and tours.
Darick's keyboard on ACOS live tracks sounds so cheesy when it's set to
piano. My keyboardist is one of the most tallented musicians I know and
can out-improv most local guitarists. I'd miss being in a band without
him. Listen to the Stones as well and tell me that the keyboard isn't
integral in rock.
Contrary to some belief, I do know a bit about what I'm talking
about. I've now been in organ lessons for this entire semester. Granted,
I can't play more than the simplest of pieces right now, but if I stick
with it... Rock on music! Tallent kicks ass. Be ell.
Matt B
"Mary: Why is there evil in the world, Alexandra?
Alexandra: To thicken the plot." (On the Verge, )
"The dead are rarely violent." (Shawn Rosenheim, Asst. Prof. Williams College)
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Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 22:35:28 -0600
From: sykes@inwave.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: keys, and a thank you
Message-ID: <199612120435.WAA29784@earth.inwave.com>
Neil Evans wrote:
>into keyboard sounds. And if you want to argue about acoustic pianos, think
>about something: the hammer striking the string is the only way to sound that
>instrument. With a guitar you have greater control over everything, including
I have to point out that there many are non-traditional ways of creating
music on the piano. I remember a lecture from music appreciation class were
the guest was a professor who specialized in this style of play. He did a
lot of plucking, strumming, muting, sliding etc. directly on the strings.
He also used different objects with which to hit the strings. It turned out
that lecture/performance was my favorite of the whole semester. It was very
expressive, like Neil was saying about the guitar with all the muting and
other techniques. If I remember, the techniques were developed in the late
19th century or early 20th, because some keyboardists felt limited with the
traditional way a piano is played. (I'm not a musician, or a historian, so
any keyboardists out there please feel free to correct me.) Of course,
these techniques aren't applicable to the synth player. Also, I can't
remember these non-traditional techniques ever being used in a "rock n roll"
setting. But who says rock n roll is the only type of music worth listening to?
By the way, thanks to everyone who's responded with suggestions and info on
the albums I was seeking info on. Especially you Tourniquet fans out there.
I managed to find a web site with some samples to download, they sound
great. I'm going to pick up "Pathogenic..." and "Psycho Surgery" soon.
And another thing... this is for the DTIFC members:
In my opinion, you guys are acting kind of childish with this secret gift
thing. I mean, enough is enough already.
-doug
| If it's worth doing, it's worth overdoing. |
| sykes@inwave.com |
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Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 22:39:05 -0600
From: shields@onr.com (Jim Shields)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: books for kids
Message-ID: <v01530501aed535c68101@[206.104.9.9]>
>>> Houghton Mifflin Publishing Corporation will donate one book to a
>>>children's hospital for every 25 e-mails they receive. Please e-mail them
>>>at:
>>> share@hmco.com.
>>>
>>> I hope you can spare the seconds . . . and let your friends know. So
>>>far they have only received 3,400 messages. Last year they reached
>>>23,000.
>>>
>>>Thanks.
>>>
Hey, guys and gals, I think it would be really cool if we all emailed to
this. It sounds like a really cool deal. Just by a simple email (I don't
even know how much you need to type in the body) you can help a kid take
his mind off the pain for a short time while the doctors work to cure
him/her. Happy Holidays!
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Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 23:34:49 -0500 (EST)
From: Joseph Cristina <joecr@ici.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: I got my X-Mas Surprise too! / Extreme Fans!
Message-ID: <199612120434.XAA12269@uhura.ici.net>
The CD is great! I wish "Oh Holy Night" was a Studio version.
C-Ya all the Providence Show tomorrow, considering I had to
eat my Toad's Place Ticket due to Mother Nature (Snow Storm).
Also, if there is any Extreme Fans, and I know they are. I
put up 28 unreleased Extreme song "clips" about 120k in size,
recorded in Real Audio 3.0 format. Feel free to download them.
Sorry no trades on the songs.
http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/joecr/main.html
Sorry no Dream Theater Links or Stuff on my webpage yet :)
I had to get the sound clips up first :)
Enjoy!
Joe
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Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 23:55:52 +0000
From: Walter Semerenko <walter@orlinter.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Q: Ayreon _Final Experiment_ \ Tangerine Dream (TD)
Message-ID: <B0000004522@chicago.orlinter.com>
I just read a positive review from this band and I was wondering if any of
you have heard of it. This band is from the Netherlands and it is a rock
opera broken up into four acts. It has a number of vocalists on it. If
anyone has heard this CD, I would like to hear your opinions on it. Also,
this band has another CD that hard prog rock with ELP keyboard stylings and
melodic.
For the person that mentioned TD, they have about 30 albums out. I hear
that _Rubycon_ feature gobs of mellotron on it and might appeal to you if
you like the older sound. I prefer the newer sound. _Optical Race_ , _Lily
on the Beach_, and the _Dream Mixes_ are good choices. Someone told me
that you TD really hasn't released a bad album except maybe for two. Also,
to confirm TD did do the soundtrack to "Risky Business" and several others.
The Unofficial hompage is at http://www.netstore.de/tadream/
and they have sound samples.
Walter.
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Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 00:09:13 -0500
From: "Anthony N. Sciamanna" <st96d6z4@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Clockwork
Message-ID: <v03007800aed543248b42@DialupEudora>
Clockwork is playing at the Middle East in Philadelphia on Dec. 23rd. We
should be going on around 10:30 pm. We could certainly use the support so
any jammers in the Philly area, come on down. Anyone needing more info can
e-mail me.
***********************************
* Anthony Sciamanna *
* Drums and Percussion *
* CLOCKWORK *
* st96d6z4@post.drexel.edu *
* *
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Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 21:17:54 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Tofu?!
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.95b.961211211724.47446A-100000@dante14.u.washington.edu>
Okay, I'm only nine jams behind now...
---- > From: drkhoe@gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) > Subject: Bafu = Tofu > > Bafu shall be known as Tofu from now on...Watchu smokin, Doc?
---- > From: Gary Cleghorn <gary@tequila.demon.co.uk> > Subject: Re: Pull Me Un
Der?
> Sound more like Queensryche than Dream Theater(ouch... wait for the > flames to start on that one) but i like them. Only have two cd's > Inside Out and Parallels.
That's what I thought when I first heard 'em, no big deal.
Boy, that Petrucci clinic in June sure was cool. Robert Barker.
Bafu Vai
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Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 00:58:28 -0500 (EST) From: Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Double CD makes sense Message-ID: <199612120558.AAA03948@cliff.cris.com>
Okay, so this thread has been beaten to death. Oh well.
The reason I feel like commenting is that I just picked up a 2CD set of a certain techno artist (yes, I like techno, and yes, they are artists :P) and I only paid $14.99 at a retail CD store. Matter of fact, I find a lot of techno releases that are 2 CD sets, for about that price. And I think it's safe to say that DT has a larger audience than a lot of these techno artists, especially with the latter being on lesser-known labels. SO, with that in mind, I think that if the reason a double CD doesn't get released being that "it'll cost too much", or "people unfamiliar with DT won't buy it because of its cost", or whatever other reason the powers-that-be come up with, is totally ridiculous.
In other words, it would be absolutely absurd to NOT release a double CD, IMO.
Now, if I could only get this neural network to be able to predict a Mackey-Glass chaotic time-series 10 steps into the future I'd be happy. <sigh>
Now Playing: Synaesthesia, "Desideratum"
Keep on crunching,
-Rick
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \****************** Richard S. Audet ******************/ /*************** ytse@cris.com ****************\ \**** Graduate Student in Electrical Engineering ****/ /********* University of Florida *********\ \***** B.S.E.E. & B.Music MUE University of Miami, 1995 ****/ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
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Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 01:17:47 -0500 From: "Mark D. Scudder" <mark@tier.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Trent Reznor not talented? Message-ID: <3.0.32.19961212011745.006a22c0@mail.tier.net>
Oh, I hate that...not talented...there weren't enough musicians on "Pretty Hate Machine" to call Nine Inch Nails a "band" (It even states very plainly in the liner "Nine inch nails is trent reznor." Anybody who can layer all that stuff, keep it straight, cohesive, and actually be able to do something that awesome, is truly talented.
Speaking of neat things keyboardists can do - if anyone's into ambient music, go buy Steve Roach's "The Magnificent Void." Then, for comparison, buy the Shareware version of Quake (on which Trent Reznor has supplied the music) and listen to the last five or so tracks. All ambient stuff. Very little what you'd call music (it's more atmosphere). That's not a matter of holding down one key on a keyboard for fifty minutes. It's an intricate painting, a painstaking construction of sound. Most people into it should agree with me that it's sometimes harder than learning your scales and modes and playing some flashy guitar...
(No flames about that last note there...I play drums, bass, *and* guitar, and a little keyboard, so I'm very well equipped to flame myself, thank you <g>... sorry for the non-DT content, I'll make up for it next time...)
Mark
PS: As ambient stuff goes, Paul Avgerinos' "Muse of the Round Sky" is also excellent.
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Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 01:22:01 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu> To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: A Stupid Recording Question Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.961212011607.111114A-100000@gnu.uvm.edu>
Okay, I have a question for you home studio nuts. For my 21st birthday I think I'm getting a Tascam 414 4-Track Recorder and a microphone. I would love to be able to somehow hook it up to my laptop computer (a Toshiba 405CS, pentium, if it matters). Is there any software that could maybe turn my computer into a drum machine or synthesizer and could be hooked up into my computer? As you can probably tell, my knowledge of both computers and home recording equipment is pathetic (I'm a drummer....) but I would apprectiate any help. Thanks.
Richie
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Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 09:02:57 +0100 From: Bernd Basmer <basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Techno Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19961212080257.006df3ec@krzsun.med-rz.uni-sb.de>
Good Morning... or so. :)
_Mape_ wrote: >Bernd!!! Remember the high-voiced mailmen, hmm? You still intending to do >a techno tune? Uhm, nope, not really. :) But we could make lots of money with something like this and take that then to finance our band... How about this? :)
Hm. I need some advice... What can one do who starts to hate his job but needs the money? Money sux.
Bye.
Bernd.
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Date: Thu, 12 Dec 96 09:25 NFT From: Henrik Gustafsson <henrik@thn.htu.se> To: ytsejam@ax.com Message-ID: <m0vY6S3-0002fDC@tellus.thn.htu.se>
>Mark Tiplady teased, >>Just arrived home from work to find the new issue of Images and Words on= =20 >>the doormat - complete with ...=20 >>Neil, you're a star. >UGH!!! The anticipation! The agony! We're dyin' over 'ere! >-Rick Ooh, Mark you're underestimating. Neil ellio -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D= -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- Henrik Gustafsson Box 957 461 29 Trollh=E4ttan Quality deployer +46(0)520-47 50 49 [fax +46(0)520-47 50 99] =20
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Date: Thu, 12 Dec 96 09:27 NFT From: Henrik Gustafsson <henrik@thn.htu.se> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: A Merry Christmas to me, you, all Message-ID: <m0vY6UY-0002fDC@tellus.thn.htu.se>
>Mark Tiplady teased, >>Just arrived home from work to find the new issue of Images and Words on= =20 >>the doormat - complete with ...=20 >>Neil, you're a star. >UGH!!! The anticipation! The agony! We're dyin' over 'ere! >-Rick Ooh, Mark you're underestimating. Neil Elliot is a super-nova, the best of the best! -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D= -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- Henrik Gustafsson Box 957 461 29 Trollh=E4ttan Quality deployer +46(0)520-47 50 49 [fax +46(0)520-47 50 99] =20
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Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 03:33:19 EST From: tallufo@juno.com (Tall UFO Productions) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT show complaints Message-ID: <19961212.003337.6526.0.tallufo@juno.com>
Hey!!!
I see all these people complaining about how much it would suck if it rained for the Birch Hill show, and how terrible it would be to get wet, etc. Fuck you! At least you get to see them! I would gladly, and I mean fucking gladly, stand out in the rain for a week waiting to buy a ticket or waiting in line to see them. And, so what if they go on at Midnight? "Oh, look at me, I'm such a pussy 'cause I'll melt if it rains, and my car turns into a pumpkin at midnight..."
Let's see a little more perspective here, folks.
-Nate
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Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 02:36:18 -0600 (CST) From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu> To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: D-man's CD Player and Keychains... Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.961212023050.18011B-100000@indy21.gclab.missouri.edu>
D-man spake thusly:
>CDs that have no scratches, no lint, no nothin' have started to skip and >even grind to a halt. So, if I buy one of those expensice CD-Player >Cleaning Kits, will that help? Is there a cheaper solution, like alcohol >and Q-Tips for tape players?
Correct me if I'm wrong, Chris, but I do believe that 'cleaning your tape player' and 'your CD player working properly again' are two mutually exclusive events... :)
As for the keychain idea circulating, I have several ideas in mind for other Ytseproducts, but I want to look into ways or producing them as well as checking with the band and management to make sure they aren't making something similar... if I make a keychain and then one comes out on the next tour, I'm screwed. :) Not to mention I'm still in debt on the shirts, so I'll have to find a better way of financing this project... :) =20 h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 / | Pat Griffin Reality=B2 Design | | c675311@showme.missouri.edu c675311@cclabs.missouri.edu | h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 /
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Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 09:37:26 +0000 (WET) From: Dani Trias <dt4318@speedy.udg.es> To: ytsejam@ax.com (dt) Subject: Hello all!! Message-ID: <9612120937.AA06202@speedy.udg.es>
Hello all!!!!! I'm a quite new DT fan and a new subscriber... I've bought all DT albums in the last three months, but I have no bootlegs... I'd like you tell me what are the better bootlegs that you own....
DANI
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Date: Thu, 12 Dec 96 16:47:43 WST From: dfirns@arch.uwa.edu.au (Daniel Firns) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Kiss not crap!!! Message-ID: <9612120847.AA04081@arch.uwa.edu.au>
sorry to butt in everyone, I've been lurking on the jam for almost a year now, and I feel the need to respond, to this crap:
>IMHO, KISS didn't /doesn't have much talent in the first place so what does it matter if they shaved their genital regions? Like Beakis & Buttface meet Boozo....... KISS, my A....
Talented or otherwise, I don't give a shit, KISS are the greatest. Just as I am a big DT fan, I am an even bigger KISS fan. A good band cannot be measured by how 'talented' they are, as a sole point of reference - other signficant factors like 'influence', 'dedication of the fans' etc all make a band. No one can deny KISS's influence on hard rock / heavy metal because of these 2 factors alone. Besides, KISS do HAVE talent. IMHO Ace is an awesome guitarist for a guy who can't read music, Ace's 80s replacement Bruce Kulick is an outstanding musician to boot. Just as Eric Carr and Eric Singer were/are fine drummers. KISS elect to play a simple type of music because as Gene Simmons said: "I would rather hear a simple eight chord that cracks your ribs, rather than a million notes that sounds like an angry bee, for me it is about melody and punch, rather than how flexible your fingers are" (this quote is not 100% right but it is pretty close!) That said, KISS rule their genre, just as DT rule theirs'.
Daniel Western Australia
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Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 10:12:00 +0100 From: akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: SG re-release Message-ID: <v03007801aed57b43a0ac@[128.178.99.38]>
Hi all,
>According to sources with SG, their first CD >(self titled) is scheduled for re-release this month. >The catalog number is MA91442. I haven't heard it, >so I'll be searching just like the rest of you.
hey what's this about SG re-release? We've had their first album over here in Europe for years now!! Although I'm not sure it was already on MCarta. Maybe is it a re-release with bonus tracks?
Anyone?
>From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org> >picked up fates warning's inside out today.. i'd always wondered what that
it's about time, man :)
and...
VAUXDVIHL RULES!!!!!!
definitely my discovery of the year :)) Quite like Fates Warning, but more prog. For an avid DT/FW fan like me, it's sorta best of both worlds.
Later,
............................................. D A V E K I N G b a s s & v o x M T 2 0 p r o g m e t a l
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