YTSEJAM Digest 2118
Today's Topics:
1) BH show....
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
2) My $.02 about the Strand
by Anthony G LaSorsa <agls@christa.unh.edu>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2117
by Anthony G LaSorsa <agls@christa.unh.edu>
4) BH
by YtseJim <LUTZ@uhavax.hartford.edu>
5) Online Music Stores
by al587725@campus.cegs.itesm.mx (Marcelo Martinelli)
6) music as music, mtv as pain
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
7) Vaclav??
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici>, net@ici.net
8) Re: Those No-Left Turns in NJ
by "Robert Quezada" <rquezada@ix.netcom.com>
9) Re: japanese speaking speed
by PanDa MaN <76262.3207@CompuServe.COM>
10) trade subcon cd for dt xmas cd?
by Brian Cox <lerxst@metronet.com>
11) Re: What
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
12) IL/Nelhybel
by "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@MO.NET>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2115
by Cliff Totten <Cliff_Totten@discovery.com>
14) KH
by HowWee@aol.com
15) The Inferno Home Page
by c3530bjo@grove.ufl.EDU (Olin K. McArthur II)
16) And let the posts, the birchhell posts, keep on rolling
by Andrew Dietr Miller <ytsejam@UDel.Edu>
17) ???'s
by HowWee@aol.com
18) I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress.
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 10:20:02 -0500 (EST)
From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: BH show....
Message-ID: <199612161521.HAA09746@pawn.ax.com>
A few comments about BH:
Definitely a mind-blowing show.....man, between this
show, last year's BH show, and the DoE show at the Limelight,
I've lucked out by seeing them at their absolute best, as
opposed to their normal best.
Sorry I didn't get to hang out that much (at all,
basically) at the pre-show. I guess I was just bitter that
it worked out better than last year's. Just kidding. Actually,
I got there kinda late....it was good to see Skadz and Paul C.
again (though they didn't recognize me) :P.....LadyDragon was
kewl ("at least they didn't kick *us* out *this* time" - great
introductory line! :P). Hi to everyone else, too who I waved to
in that fleeting moment outside. I even saw Mr. StoneFace from
last year's BH show - damn I forget your name - tall guy who
didn't smile once last year, but who was pretty kewl.....shit.
Anyway, enough rambling - to the point I was going to
make. Dream Theater *HAS* to play larger venues than the Birch
Hill. If the band is lurking and listening, play BIGGER PLACES.
The Birch Hill is OK and all, but god dammit, there were WAY
too many people there. They should definitely play places like
Roseland, Manhattan Center, and the Asbury Park Convention Hall.
I love DT, and would do anything to see them around this area
(NY/NJ), but it got to the point where I was almost thinking
about not coming to see them if they played BH again - and that's
BAD. A crowd like that just takes a lot away from the performance.
There were a few friends of mine that went to see them for the first
time, and they just came away with a great experience with
hearing DT live, but an average time in general due to the
atmosphere.....definitely a shame.....PLAY BIGGER PLACES!~!!!!
quick notes:
1) Don't think that Syrinx likes me, dunno why, but
he introduced himself, I smiled (think I said "Holy
Shit, that's kewl, whasup.."), and he just nodded...
Left me with a creepy feeling....
2) Heather - that hair is LOUD. you seemed like a
pisser - your demeanor / look on your face in the
dance club part of the BH was classic - the classic
"God I hate all you Guidos - die, die, die - I want
a drink, hell, my 8 drinks, so I can forget my being
in this club!" :)
3) Thanks to the two pricks who decided to crowd-surf
during Metropolis and kick my female friend in the
head - damn I wish I had steel-toes on so that your
noses would be no more....
4) Too bad Mike Bahr and Bafu weren't there - wasn't
the same without you guys.....
5) I may be crazy, but I thought Einstein was pretty
damn good - real good. Anyone know what label they're
on???
6) Hi to the dude who I talked to during the show - I guess
it was Howwee...he was pretty kewl, but either way,
you aren't correct about the TLF/Killing Hand thing...
Everyone makes mistakes - people shouldn't jump down
each other's throats for it tho....there's my morality
for the day.....
7) I know that I Mother Earth is not going to be like the
DT show - but I have a question - do you guys think that
the Steve Vai show is going to be just as packed??? If
it is, I don't think I'm going to bother going.....
8) "shit" in a song - it's ok...as long its not in the
title and repeated all the time - lighten up....
Al
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 10:21:45 -0500 (EST) From: Anthony G LaSorsa <agls@christa.unh.edu> To: ytsejam <Ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: My $.02 about the Strand Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91a.961216095946.7223A-100000@christa.unh.edu>
Hello all! I'm finally back at school where I have finally caught up on the jams I missed. Finals suck but hey, I saw DT. That makes everything better. The show, to say the least was interesting. Einstein was pretty cool. Some of the rhythms were cheesy, but when they got to the instrumental parts, man they kicked. They were so tight. The Beth Hart Band was cool. The singer, Beth Hart has a super strong voice. I think she puts Alanis <sp?> to shame, so does her band. My apologies to whomever digs A.Morrisette. This is just my opinion. Aside from the fact that waiting for DT to go on stage was absolute torture, and the fact that people were lighting up various carcinogens, AND the fact that some 6'8" tree stood right in front of me during the second band, the concert went well. They were a little too loud for my taste. DT was loud almost to the point where you could not register one thing from another. I had my earplugs in and they were still pretty garbled up. I even have those high-tech plugs with sonic filters for each frequency level (Hi's, mid's, low's) Just the fact that one of my favorite drum idols was going berzerk 20 feet from where I was standing was just a f**king trip. JP was ripping up the place with his playing. I thought it was a riot when JP went over to his cabinets which had a table setting with pate<sp>, red wine, caviar, etc, and started having a snack in the middle of a song. JL went over to help him out to finish the food. MP is a provicient spitter. I swear he spit on James' back. Derek was grooving behind his setup. He had on an older Ytsejam shirt! JM did not move from where he was standing. He played bass lines that most professional bassists can't even dream about, but did not move an inch. (Not even when that guy was rushed right past him to be beaten by the band's boucers!) It sucked that DT wasn't able to play an encore because of some stupid law. I was looking so forward to hearing DT's rendition of Cupid's Dead in the middle of Metropolis. DRAT!!! I wanted to go and possibly talk to Mike or at least to shake his hand after they finished the song, but one person in my party wasn't feeling well due to the amount of second-hand smoke she inhaled during the eight or so hours we were outside or inside the Strand. Most of you jammer's have already heard lots about the Strand show already so I will wish you a very happy and safe holiday season. See you maybe at the Vai show at the Strand with opening band Nuno (NDE?) Tony
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 10:36:05 -0500 (EST) From: Anthony G LaSorsa <agls@christa.unh.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2117 Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91a.961216102746.7223B-100000@christa.unh.edu>
I just noticed someone pinned up something about lead singer's image bring down a band. That could be true, but I don't think it was just their image which brought the band down. The record companies are very unloyal in most cases to their bands. Like A&M with Extreme. A&M told Nuno to write a whole album of 'More than Words' type songs. That's why Nuno was fed up with being grouped in with glam bands. A&M also did not support the last record at all. They planned to release singles then the company pulled them back saying that the songs were unmarketable. Bunchashit if you ask me. Mike Tramp did not bring White Lion down. They had legal problems with Atlantic. The record company put a clause of some sort in their contract when they signed in 1986. When '91 rolled around Atlantic said that the band had to break up because they "owed people this money and that money". They were desperate to sign with a company in '86 because they got dumped by elektra in'85. White Lion was '80's commercial rock, but the musicianship was outstanding. Like I tell my friends which rag on the music I listen to, I listen for the music, not the image. Vito kicks ass, James kicks ass, Greg kicks ass, and Mike, well he's pretty good. Later Tony
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 10:48:05 +0000 From: YtseJim <LUTZ@uhavax.hartford.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: BH Message-ID: <Pine.VMS.3.91-vms-b4.961216103658.49263B-100000@uhavax.hartford.edu>
WOW! Birch hill was amazing!!!!!!! I won't go into the same boring reviews, But i was wondering if anybody else heard James say "Mike, You want to sing this one?" right before the killing hand...(Thought it was kinda funny refering to the New Haven incident....)
I only met two jammers, Hey Syrinx! and i can't remeber the other guys name.. Also there was a female ytsejammer in the lobby after the show, Didn't get to ask for a name...
I think it was Heather who mentioned she was standing front row center... how's that possible when thats where i was standing?
The only thing i couldn't stand was people tryin to get in front of me, what rude bastards...Where do people get off tryin to get in front of ya when you have been standing there hours before they even showed up?
Owner of 2 mike portnoy drum sticks,
//######################################################\\ // Jim Lutz "Time was never on my side, \\ // So on I wait my whole lifetime" \\ // lutz@uhavax.hartford.edu -Metallica \\ // YtseJim@DreamT.org \\ //################################################################\\
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 10:02:57 -0600 From: al587725@campus.cegs.itesm.mx (Marcelo Martinelli) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Online Music Stores Message-ID: <9612161602.AA10587@campus.cegs.itesm.mx>
Hey I was just wondering if anybody has ever ordered any CD's from "CD Cellar" or "That CD Place". I am thinking of buying some CD's from them but I don't know if they are trustworthy or not. Has anyone heard about a DT boot called "Drifting Away" that was recorded in Milwaukee '93 ? and also another boot called "Excellent" recorded in NYC July 23 '93. Anyways I would appreciate it if anybody can help me out.
Marcelo Martinelli Monterrey , Mexico
P.S. I hope "Precious Things" begins production because I can't wait to hear it!
-It dawned on me one day that I should not be making sandwiches for a living- ---John Petrucci---
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 16:33:19 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: music as music, mtv as pain Message-ID: <32B579CF.1CFB@mailstorm.dot.gov>
> From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@u.arizona.edu>
> I really like how they'll play some heavy crunchy stuff in the > background and have this soaring keyboard over top of it all. A > great example of this is the intro to "Caught in a Web". Know what I > mean?
Absolutely!
The keys intro to "Erotomania" would qualify as balls 'n chunk in my book.
> From: Mark Metzger <mmetzger@bostech.com>
> I knew the setlist in advance but it is still great to hear > Killing Hand and Ytsejam.
I did notice a large amount of head movement when they began Ytsejam :)
> Beth Hart (Heart ??) Band.
Sounds like Janis Joplin, moves like Edie Bryckel (sp)
>> The bass in the mix might actually have been too high,
> An understatement.
Remember that picutre with the music in the chair getting literally blown backwards?. I was tempted to just lean forward to see if the sound waves (was that bass, bass drum or synth?) would cancel gravity...
I was a little right of center, about 5 rows in front of the soundboard and had a lot of trouble hearing the keys. I mentioned this to Derek afterwards. I imagine it must be tough to mix DT if you're not intimiately familiar enough with the songs to know the changes (not that there's all that many, right? :)
> From: hawkeye7@ix.netcom.com > Jeff Chew wrote:
>> I think Derek Sherinian would be the last person in the world who would be >> homosexual. > OK, Jeff . . . hmmmm. . . care to elaborate on that? 8^)
Anybody else vote to end this thread? :)
Quick question: Where does one pick up one of these cool, DT/prog. listening, parents? My Dad likes to hum/sing Strangers in the Night over and over again :) (not that there's anything wrong with that song :):) p.s. I love my Dad!
> E-mail feedback@mtv.com at least 10 times on Dec. 20th, telling > them to bring back headbangers ball.
How about I set up a cron job to send them mail continuosly, say every hour, until they comply? You think I'm fuckin' around here? :)
Ciao,
Jon
*------------*------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 | *------------*------------------------*--------------*
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 11:56:09 -0500 From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici>, net@ici.net To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Vaclav?? Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19961216165609.0067befc@ici.net>
>Has anyone on the Jam heard of composer Vaclav Nelhybel? If so, lemme know. :)
Oh man, that name sound familiar...like from some song I played in band in H.S.
Ben...where'd you see that name...I *have* to know. It'll drive me batty(er). :)
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 12:01:03 -0500 From: "Robert Quezada" <rquezada@ix.netcom.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Those No-Left Turns in NJ Message-ID: <199612161704.JAA00884@dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com>
[snip] > rather stand naked shouting racial obscenities in the Bronx. Jug-handles
> are certainly tools created by Satan to waste valuable time. I bet > people in Jersey spend at least four days out of the year in total time > sitting at lights in the jug-handles. Toll-roads are also inherently > evil. Maryland may not be the best state in the USA, but at least you > can correct directional errors without too much hassle. I was impressed [snip]
Everyone gets annoyed at the No-Left Turn on the highways in NJ, but what if they allowed those turns on the highways? Route 9 is only a two lane highway. The traffic would get backed up for at least a 1/2 mile, because the other side of the highway won't let you turn left. Not to mention that most people won't let you get to the other lane to get around the people turning left.
Sure, on some roads there are Left-Turn lights on the traffic lights, but that doesn't last too long and you still have to wait for the light to change just like if you had to wait in a jug-handle. And it's easier to make a U-turn in those U & Left turn jughandles than if you used the left-turn lane in the middle of the highway.
rq
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Date: 16 Dec 96 12:04:31 EST From: PanDa MaN <76262.3207@CompuServe.COM> To: "INTERNET:ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: japanese speaking speed Message-ID: <961216170431_76262.3207_GHM116-1@CompuServe.COM>
<wow what an interesting minor thread here...>
Fellow Japanese Keiji Nishihara wrote: > Speaking speed? The reason is I think, woman on that vid is TV(Wowow) >anouncer so she speaks too fast. We don't speak as fast as other Asians do. >f you have Jap. friends,ask about them. Well yeah, part of it is because she's on TV and probably excited and all, but... My experience tends to be that a foreign language usually sounds 'too fast', when you don't have much knowledge of it... Ie. when I was learning spanish in high school... <anybody else???>... While you could manage the "hola isabel, yo soy pandaman" stuff on the 'lab' stuff... you really couldn't watch Telemundo and get everything they were saying, because "they're speaking too FAST!!!" I'm sure other asian languages sound 'faster' perhaps by some part because they DO go faster... but most probably because we don't understand them.
PMan
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 11:27:46 -0600 (CST) From: Brian Cox <lerxst@metronet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: trade subcon cd for dt xmas cd? Message-ID: <199612161727.AA02273@metronet.com>
i am willing to part with a subcon cd for a dt xmas cd in likenew condition. let me know...
-brian (who has never signed up for a fanclub, but is considering it now..)
<><><><><><><><><> Brian V. Cox (lerxst@metronet.com) <><><><><><><><><> <>Rush|Dream Theater|Queensryche|King's X|Echolyn|King Crimson|Voivod><>
"You have to systematically create confusion - it sets creativity free. Everything that is contradictory creates life." -Salvador Dali, 1980
<><><><><><><><><>DAT Taper/Trader - Email me for list<><><><><><><><><> <><><><><><><><><>< http://www.metronet.com/~lerxst/ ><><><><><><><><><>
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 17:57:36 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: What Message-ID: <32B58D90.ABD@mailstorm.dot.gov>
> From: Jeremy Kube <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
> Gothere
Been there...
By the way, where? :)
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 12:22:28 +0000 From: "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@MO.NET> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: IL/Nelhybel Message-ID: <199612161817.MAA10244@Walden.MO.NET>
> Live somewhere other than Illinois. HEY!!! I live in Illinois, and I saw at least 4 or 5 copies of TSO yesterday. For the dude trying to find it, where in IL do you live? They had multiple copies at a local Camelot and Sam Goody, as well as one of the new/used stores in the area.
>Has anyone ever heard of the composer Vaclav Nelhybel? Yep, heard of him, mostly way back in high school when concert band was in full swing.
Cheers.
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: 16 Dec 96 14:09:34 ES From: Cliff Totten <Cliff_Totten@discovery.com> To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2115 Message-ID: <9612161909.AA09871@smtp.discovery.com>
Anyone have any news about the resurrection of CRIMSON GLORY / Midinght ??
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 14:09:28 -0500 From: HowWee@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: KH Message-ID: <961216140924_1556031291@emout12.mail.aol.com>
Ok. I just listened to KH on WDADU and KH on LATM back to back. the intros are DIFFERENT. On the one hand (no pun intended) there is an acoustic intro. On the other, the other thing that they played at the BH. I still insist that the melody is TLF. and I have plenty of musical training. too much to write down. but I too play many instruments and have had students, and G-d willing, I will have many more in the public schools of america. So lets stop arguing. I hate it. I stand by my opinion and you by yours. so fuck it and lets move on. Howard
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 14:14:27 -0500 (EST) From: c3530bjo@grove.ufl.EDU (Olin K. McArthur II) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: The Inferno Home Page Message-ID: <199612161914.OAA04043@willow.grove.ufl.EDU>
Hi folks, here is the URL for the new page for my friends in the late but great progressive band Inferno. Be sure to bookmark it since I will post news (when forthcoming) on the current projects of the members. And I have attempted to keep the content from being too dry, so be sure to take the content with a grain of salt. Oh, and be sure to leave some feedback after reading it!
http://www.cise.ufl.edu/~okm/inferno/
Olin K. McArthur II c3530bjo@grove.ufl.edu
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 14:14:50 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Dietr Miller <ytsejam@UDel.Edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: And let the posts, the birchhell posts, keep on rolling Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.961216140558.10800A-100000@copland.udel.edu>
Dude like check this out, I can post, from my REAL account. What the fuck is happening in the world today? And I'm the REAL Andrew Miller too, just ask Brian Wherry.
A few comments on the Birchhell show before I take, and most likly fail, my last final. FUCKING awesome. MIKE kicked my ass all night long. I can't get over that Demonic laugh in The Killing Hand. What a fucking musical god. This boy can sing.
It was great to meat a few more people, Syrnix, LD, Damon, Texas-man, Wisha, taco person, Breasts (or Jill :) and great to see fucking Wherry and Ibby once again. Hey Ibby we have to do some more of those shots, and if we can get those fucking girls to do 'em with us that would be ok by me.
Fucking, I met the band. They rocked. The word from JOhn P. is that Paul Northfield (queensryche, rush) was at the show and is in the lead for the producer job. They have yet to do any studio work, but still are shotting for a early summer JUne/July release.
More to follow..... 2112....... FU syrinx, I have assumed control.
BTW, nothing against you ANDREW, BUT I"M NOT THAT FUCKING KEYBOARD PLAYER!
later....andy
Andrew Miller The world couldn't be much more grey, ytsejam@Udel.Edu Andy died that day. The world couldn't -or- turn away, Andy died that day. The world andym@dreamt.org could find the words to say "We'll miss you", Andy died that day.
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 14:15:37 -0500 From: HowWee@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: ???'s Message-ID: <961216141536_1041061152@emout19.mail.aol.com>
what is the x-mas CD that i dont know about?
can some body please put up the setlist from the BH?
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 19:33:29 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress. Message-ID: <32B5A409.4487@mailstorm.dot.gov>
> From: Brian Wherry <bwherry@bu.edu>
> at Birch Heaven Derek was more audible and it sounded great!
Cool! They do listen to their fans :)
> ps- Huichi, D-Man, Elliott, Jon P., Jeremy, Binky, Mike B., ...... all > you guys are coming next time, even if I have to pick you all up > myself! :)
Won't have to twist my arm :)
> From somewhere :)
> WOOHOO! Now when are we gonna get to YTSEJAM digest 5150? ;)
oh, Lord, from up upon High, please no!!
> Face it, guys. Drummers rule the planet.
Ah, so that's why the planet has gone to shit! :) (no offense to Mike)
Actually, we all know the planet is ruled by that most blessed of instruments:
The PAN FLUTE!
> From: Graham Borland <graham@grelb.src.gla.ac.uk>
> Do women really like having sex with guitars?
You know, I had always wondered what other possible purpose double-necked guitars might have. Thank you, Graham for kicking my sick mind into gear ;)
> From someone's signature
> I wasn't born with enough middle fingers....
Here, have a couple of mine :) (just kidding, no really, put down the chain gun!!)
Ta Da,
Jon
*------------*------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 | *------------*------------------------*--------------*
"Ceterum censeo Microsoftam delendam esse"
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