YTSEJAM Digest 2119
Today's Topics:
1) newstuff
by Randall Braun <RBraun@adnc.ameridata.com>
2) italian dreamers (fwd)
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
3) *sigh* 2112
by "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu>
4) Re: another stupid fight about to start...
by Ytse-Kurt <calfaro@caribe.net>
5) Driving in NJ and other asinine ways to spend time
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
6) Re: guitars and penes
by William T Bajzek <wb2a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
7) pan
by "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@MO.NET>
8) stuff
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
9) BITCH HELL ROCKED NADZ!!!!
by "Beavis (Wes Foll)" <wfoll@america.net>
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2117
by abraham omman <omman@uit.net>
11) Another Birch Hill
by "Bruce D. Duesterhoeft" <bduesterhoeft@enter.net>
12) BH thoughts
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 13:26:58 -0600
From: Randall Braun <RBraun@adnc.ameridata.com>
To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: newstuff
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=GE%l=AMERIDATA/ADNC/000C4955@msb01ncadctmsge.ameridata.com>
....but I love the Crowes' keyboardist (Eddie some-thing). I really dig
Hammond organs, and he is one of the best Hammond players I've heard.
Perhaps not technically....
Keith Emerson, IMO, is among the very BEST on the Hammond (C3/B3, L100).
He's been at it for a long, long, long time.
More jazz artists to recommend:
Jean-Luc Ponty -among the best on the electric/acoustic violin, and then
there's Vanessa Mae, although she may be harder to classify...
Billy Cobham -drummer/percussionist extraordinaire
John McLaughlin -guitarist extraordinaire -some of the fastest fingers
-jazz,rock, acoustic, whatever
The guitarist for Special FX is pretty good, although I don't recall his
name at present.
Thanks also to the person who recommended World of Silence *Window of
Heaven*, although I would classify them more like Lemur Voice than Shadow
Gallery-no flames, just IMO.
In the CD: World of Silence *Window of Heaven*; Savatage *Handful of Rain*;
Fates Warning *Perfect Symmetry* (KM on keys); Lemur Voice *Insights*
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 14:42:11 -0500 (EST)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
To: "Ytse Fuckin' Jam" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: italian dreamers (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9612161452.E11850-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
Hey, gang. I just got this message from an Italian fan who, as far as I
can tell, isn't on the Jam. But I guess this would be cool for you
southern Europeans to check out. I haven't looked at it yet, but I guess
we should take a look and see how cool it is, or something.
I don't make the news, I just report it. :)
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 20:34:04 +0100
From: Club Hotel Regina e Fassa <regina@softcom.it>
To: cmerlo@uvm-gen.emba.uvm.edu
Subject: italian dreamers
hi guys,
now is available in the net the official italian fan club of
Dream Theater "italian dreamers" at the following address:
www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/alley/8384
let me know what you're thinking about????
bye
simon
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 15:06:41 -0500 (EST)
From: "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: *sigh* 2112
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.961216145645.48A-100000@bu-ast.bu.edu>
So, I'm up at 3:30 on Sat night, and I get Jam 2110. I think to
myself, hmm... get up at 11, and 2111 will be in my Box, and I can send
something and get it into 2112. HELL NO! I wake up at 11:30 and 2111 AND
2112 is in my box. Ahhhhh well.
Wacky, I'm there for Birch Hell next time. Looking forward to it.
Even if I have to ride in the back of Parmet's pickup.
Oh, and the real reason I posted. Some lyrics to Take Away my
Pain. Still need more... anyone remember any? Or were ya too busy
fighting off crowd surfers like I was. :)
Opening Verse:
He was sitting at the edge of his bed
staring at the headlines in paper
He said "Look at poor Gene Kelly
I guess he won't be singing in the rain"
You took away all my heroes
Can you take away my pain.
Last verse:
I'm sitting at the edge of my bed,
Staring at the headlines in paper,
Let's say goodbye to Jesus
the world he left won't ever be the same.
You Took Away My hero,
Now Take Away My Pain.
Looking for a second verse if you have one...
-jeremy
PS Got Savatage 'Dead Winter Dead' AND TSO this weekend. WHOA! I like
this stuff. Can any 'Tage lovers send me a discography(or a ref to one)
and what it sounds like compared to DWD?
TSO is cool too... never thought I'd EVER buy a flippin Christmas album.
+=====================================================================+
# grad student, Boston U. #"He was sitting at the edge of the bed #
# Boston, MA 02134 # staring at the headlines in paper #
# Astronomy # He said 'Look at poor Gene Kelly #
# <*> <*> <*> # I guess he won't be singing in the rain' #
# Jeremy Hallum # You Took Away All My Heroes #
# jhallum@bu.edu # Can you Take Away My Pain?"-Dream Theater #
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 16:04:41 -0500
From: Ytse-Kurt <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: another stupid fight about to start...
Message-ID: <32B5B969.50A6@caribe.net>
woot wrote:
>
> >The intro to killling hand is normally another hand. however, last night
> >they used To live forever (instrumentally) as an intro.....JUST LIKE LIVE
> AT
> >THE MARQUEE. So, stan, YOU should know your dream theater. you will
> still
> >be you tomorrow when you find out that you are WRONG.
>
> Um... I don't know which copy of LatM you have, but on mine the intro to
> TKH was AH not TLF. This would tend to poke holes in your theory that you
> are right and that other guy is wrong.
--Youre absolutely right.. the intro in Latm is AH, in no way is Tlf... they dont even sound the same..
Look around...hear the sounds... Cherish your life,while you're still around... <Dream Theater: A Change Of Seasons> WoWoW! WoWoW! WoWoW! -Mike Portnoy mailto:calfaro@Caribe.net
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 15:24:06 -0500 (EST) From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu> To: "Ytse Fuckin' Jam" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Driving in NJ and other asinine ways to spend time Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9612161544.F11850-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: YtseJim <LUTZ@uhavax.hartford.edu> > Subject: BH > > The only thing i couldn't stand was people tryin to get in front of me, > what rude bastards...Where do people get off tryin to get in front of ya > when you have been standing there hours before they even showed up?
Yeah, that sucks. You wanna be in front? Get there early. I got to Toad's late, and I was in the back. No big deal. (Besides, I got to hang with Skadz. :)
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> From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov> > Subject: music as music, mtv as pain > > >> I think Derek Sherinian would be the last person in the world who would be > >> homosexual. > > Anybody else vote to end this thread? :)
MEMEMEMEME!!!
> Quick question: Where does one pick up one of these cool, DT/prog. > listening, parents? My Dad likes to hum/sing Strangers in the Night over
No shit! My dad listens to elevator music in the car, and my mother's ears are so sensitive that music in the car has to be practically inaudible, or else she goes NUTZ! Ever try to listen to Exit Stage Left with the volume set to 1? ARGH!
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> From: "Robert Quezada" <rquezada@ix.netcom.com> > Subject: Re: Those No-Left Turns in NJ > > Sure, on some roads there are Left-Turn lights on the traffic lights, but > that doesn't last too long and you still have to wait for the light to > change just like if you had to wait in a jug-handle. And it's easier to > make a U-turn in those U & Left turn jughandles than if you used the > left-turn lane in the middle of the highway.
Wow! Either you work for NJS DOT, or you've lived in NJ too long. :)
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> From: c3530bjo@grove.ufl.EDU (Olin K. McArthur II) > Subject: The Inferno Home Page > > Hi folks, here is the URL for the new page for my friends in the late but > great progressive band Inferno. Be sure to bookmark it since I will post
Man, that's too bad. I got one of their tapes from Jay Peele himself at Birch Hill '95 (actually, at the Fanta-seeya diner). Good stuff. Hey, is Jay still here? You know any keyboard players that are moving to Burlington, VT anytime soon? :)
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> From: Andrew Dietr Miller <ytsejam@UDel.Edu> > Subject: And let the posts, the birchhell posts, keep on rolling > > Fucking, I met the band. They rocked. The word from JOhn P. is that > Paul Northfield (queensryche, rush) was at the show and is in the lead
Huh? What Rush album did he work on?
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> From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov> > Subject: I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress. > > > From: Brian Wherry <bwherry@bu.edu> > > > ps- Huichi, D-Man, Elliott, Jon P., Jeremy, Binky, Mike B., ...... all > > you guys are coming next time, even if I have to pick you all up > > myself! :) > > Won't have to twist my arm :)
Yeah, I'm there! I'll bring the Dew!
> Actually, we all know the planet is ruled by that most blessed of > instruments: > > The PAN FLUTE!
Dude, that's the truth if you live in Burlington. There are at *least* three different street musicians that play those damned things! I'd love to see them jam together someday. :)
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 15:32:15 -0500 (EST) From: William T Bajzek <wb2a+@andrew.cmu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: guitars and penes Message-ID: <MmhP7Du00iWp0_YW80@andrew.cmu.edu>
Excerpts from ytsejam: 16-Dec-96 YTSEJAM digest 2116 by ytsejam@ax.com > Yeah, but the guitar sort of sticks out from mid-body, while the Stick is > resting on the ground. Well, I guess if you're... oh, never mind. > Forget I brought it up. Uh, huh huh. I said "up."
the stick does not rest on the ground... you must not have looked at the picture. it rests on a belt hook, slightly right of center, and is played in a primarily upright position. look at the damn page
williambajzek|wb2a@andrew.cmu.edu|http://phoebe.dws.acs.cmu.edu/~wb2a/ twobirdsonestoneonechanceisthrowndon'tmakemistakestwothievesstrungupon eknifeonecuttwodoorsoneshutonefightonewayoneroadtotakewestandandwaitfr omcooltowarmfromdusk'tildawnfromfluxtoformkneelingontheroadtograceland
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 14:40:52 +0000 From: "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@MO.NET> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: pan Message-ID: <199612162036.OAA02798@Walden.MO.NET>
> The PAN FLUTE! ZAMFIR KICKS ASS!!!!!!
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 15:51:07 -0500 (EST) From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: stuff Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.961216155045.24215H-100000@bdmserver>
Well, I am back from a week in St. Maartin (it sucks to be back at work). Well I got home and in the mail was this cd shaped package from the DT fan club. I was like the surprise is here! Every thing is great except I dont care for Barney's singing at all-ugh!!!!! Oh yeah and I have just caught up on 37 jams and here are my musings from them:
Partha wrote: >second things second.......got the POWER OF OMENS demo tape in the mail >recently, pretty good stuff......they got the DT/FW vibe going, with a >geoff tatish vocalist......at times they seem to be trying a little bit >too hard, and the lyrics don't impress on paper, but its enjoyable music >nevertheless.....
I got this demo as well from this Texas prog metal band. The volcalist is a great singer and is indeed a Tate clone from the early QR days. Musically they are excellent as well...
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About end of year polls: Are there any polls that have a list of all the 1996 releases? I buy so many cds that I can't remember what came out in 96 or some other year....
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Superior: If you haven't gotten this cd then you are missing out on the best cd since Images and Words...
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Randal Braun wrote: >IMHO, KISS didn't /doesn't have much talent in the first place, so what >does it matter if they shaved their genital regions? Like Beakis & Buttface >meet Boozo....... KISS, my A....
I suppose that is your opinion and I think you are way WRONG. Sure the makeup and effects are a major part of the act. The music is enjoyable. Great party music. I mean if all they had was the makeup and effects then they might have only lasted 1 or two albums since that gets old, but they didn't they had the music and that is what makes a band survive the test of time. Where would rock and metal be today without KISS?????? KISS rules...
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About Metal Blade: I like and dislike this company. I mean they promote big time some bands like Galactic Cowboys and ignore bands like Fates Warning. Both bands are great and both should have some decent promotion!
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About hotmail: It is basically email that you can access from anywhere if you are on the net. I guess it is good for people who move around quite often to always have a single email address. You just need to be ont he web to access it.
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I see that Al Balkewicz (aka Ytsejam RIPOFF from hell) is back... Al (Ripoff) wrote: > 3) Thanks to the two pricks who decided to crowd-surf > during Metropolis and kick my female friend in the > head - damn I wish I had steel-toes on so that your > noses would be no more....
Damn it! And I paid those two good money too and they can't get the job done! :)
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Merlo wrote: >Finally, to all you goonz out there that are taking the GRE general >and/or subject tests tomorrow like I am, and getting in those last >moments of studying, whining, or vomiting (like me):
I took the GRE's way back in 1991 (boy am I getting old) and they SUCKED. I still have nightmares about them... And to top it off. The grad school (Johns Hopkins) that I went to didn't require GRE's...
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I see that Damon is back... 50 posts a jam... :P I am not complaining, just making an observation...
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Bafu wrote: >Back to the main post, Kip Winger and Mike Tramp had similar effects on >their respective bands. At least that's what I think. Now what do YOU >think?
I think those two had some of the best voices in the late 80's hard rockers...
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 16:03:44 -0500 (EST) From: "Beavis (Wes Foll)" <wfoll@america.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: BITCH HELL ROCKED NADZ!!!! Message-ID: <199612162103.QAA27838@web1.america.net>
>.i have assumed control. >.i have assumed control. >.i have assumed control.
NOT!!!!!!!!!! 8) hehehehehe You know, I missed posting to the 2112 jam....why you may ask? Because I was traveling back to Atlanta yesterday from THE BEST FUCKING SHOW OF 96 with some of the coolest people I've met so far!! WOW....what can I say? I had a fucking blast with you guys...I even got the ROYAL tour to the club from TGIF to Bitch Hell in Syrinx's car (whilst being entertained by an EXCELLENT bootleg from Lemur Voice through the stereo...). And THANKS to Heather for sponsoring some snakies/muchies to us travellers!! MUCH APPRECIATION for that!! DAMN, we need to do this shit more often...well, I SHALL leave you all for now, but I shall return...
My Bunghole has spoken....
Oh yeah, the phrase most heard out of my mouth this weekend was "Rock Nadz"...oh yeah, and also, after Pellaz, BigSwifty and myself watched the Hercules show in the hotel we stayed at the night before the show, I picked up a COOL new saying: "I CAN SMELL THEM FROM HEEEEEERE." hehehe YAH!! ROCK NADZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!!!!! Beavis (Wes Foll) http://www.america.net/~wfoll/beavis.htm /| / ||\ / || \ ______________ _ ______ _ __ __ //| || \\_____ _____| ||___ // |\ \/ / //_| || \ | || || | | || |/ ///|| \ / / __ || |\ \ | || || |__| || <//_|| / \ / / | || | \ \| || || __ || |\ \__ |/ /\ \ /_/ |_||_| \ || || | |_||_|/\ \ || / \_\ \ || ||/ \_\||/ \ ||/ \| "What is, is. What is not, is not. What is is, and is not, is is, and is not."
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 15:16:26 -0600 From: abraham omman <omman@uit.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2117 Message-ID: <199612162116.PAA32713@dns.uit.net>
> And I really doubt all of you are deeply into vanGogh, Dali, Strindberg, >Hemmingway or Nietsche. Nah, I prefer Degas, Monet, Schubert, Mozart, and Voltaire. Nietsche is good too. =) James
[Signature File] Name=abraham omman Email=omman@uit.net
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 16:24:14 -0500 From: "Bruce D. Duesterhoeft" <bduesterhoeft@enter.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Another Birch Hill Message-ID: <32B5BDFE.5CBB@enter.net>
Hey all! What a show. I was right behind the sound board and couldn't have found a better spot. All the people around me were cool (a couple of ytse-jammers). I wasn't pushed once that night and I could see everything. Although I had to sway from one side to another to see around the soundman's body. I have to say that they were perfect. In fact the sound was as close to perfection too. I little more keys would have made it 100%. Besides that it was great to see them all have fun (well JM was off in his 'other world' but I'm sure he had fun too). I was glad to hear the guys add bits and pieces to older songs. Especialy CIANITG. Boy that was SURE DIFFERENT, but cool. The new songs kicked ASS! Some else did notice that White Zombie sound too. Although it didn't last. I really liked the intro to Lines in the Sand. I think we're in for one hell'uv an album. Can't wait!
BTW I'm about 99.9561823% sure that it was Another Hand that was played and not Learning to Live ('cause I have both in front of me and boy it sure sounds the same as LATM).
Like to say hi to all the jammers at TGIF, I was the guy that came in at 8 with the bright orange jacket and looking for Dan from Temple (sorry Dan, couldn't fing you and my frineds were anxiuos to wait in line, I hope you sold your tix). Hope to see you guys again some day, I would have liked to sat down and BS'd with you.
I was able to snag the sound board's copy of the set list...ahhh another DT memorabilia!!!! See ya'll later Bruce D. PS: Just got the IME Scenery and Fish and wondering if anyone has found any of the hidden things?
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 13:38:56 -0800 (PST) From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: BH thoughts Message-ID: <199612162138.AA14421@crl4.crl.com>
Just some comments about the show and the Jammers.... :)
The show was abso-fuckin-lutely incredible, FAR better than the show last Xmas and well-worth the 14+ hour drive, mostly in rain, up to see it. Someone asked what the farthest DRIVING distance was for Jammers; as far as I know, THAT award goes to Mark "BigSwifty" Peters, who drove up from extreme southern Alabama. (On the way he stopped in Atlanta and picked up Wes "Beavis" Foll and myself.)
The floor seemed a little less manic than last year. This time we staked out a spot a bit behind the first little railing (floor slightly raised) and we had a pretty good view, verging to excellent toward the end of the show when some of the wimps in front gave up and retired toward the back :). (I grin because I was one of those wimps last year. :))
Overall, I was delighted that I could watch DT without too much worry of not being able to breathe, or getting dragged around off my feet by the surging crowd.
IMHo, the show was loud but not too excessive -- the band sounded pretty crisp over the PA to us. Didn't mind Einstein too much, but I'd rather have seen Rudess/Morg. Oh, well, no biggie. :)
Damon, if you were there you were within a few feet of me and we never spotted you. After the show we were all gathered on the floor and I asked around "has anyone seen Damon with his cane?" Damnit, we need Ytsejam laminates on chains with our names on them. Who wants to make 'em? :)
Al B., I knew who you were immediately; whaddaya mean I didn't recognize you? "Hey kids, look, it's Al Balkiewicz!" is what I yelled, the moment I saw you. :) You weren't Half Naked -again-. Come on dude, this is two shows in a row. :) (Now watch, DT will tour in the summer and Al will show up in a Rocky outfit from RHPS. :))
Hi to all the jammers I met and/or saw again; I won't do a list because I'll diss someone in my forgetfulness and I don't wanna. Just a few standouts: George, it was great to meet you, but where did you go? You kinda vanished after the show and, well, we kinda got to meet the band sans The Silent Myung. Ah, well.... Heather, great to met you and THANKS for the road-goodies! And for Skadz: "Rahhh!" :)
Post-show band comments to follow.
-- Seen my diary on the newsstand | Paul W. Cashman Seems we've lost the truth to quicksand | www.crl.com/~vanyel It's a shame no-one is praying <---+--- Dream Theater "Voices" 'Cause these voices in my head keep sayin'.."Love, just don't stare."
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