YTSEJAM Digest 2122
Today's Topics:
1) lyrics
by HowWee@aol.com
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2120
by Matthew P Robbins <robbins@aero.und.edu>
3) Neon? Concert tokers, ytse-'tudes
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2120
by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
5) SG fans will be interested in this
by "woot" <sir@micron.net>
6) Fw: track #20
by "woot" <sir@micron.net>
7) My Thoughts
by "Scott R. Daugherty" <srdaugz2@homer.louisville.edu>
8) oops
by "woot" <sir@micron.net>
9) Fig6cyaz
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
10) new Fates Warning fan!!!
by Steven Thum <sthum@sunflowr.usd.edu>
11) Yet another useful post from me!
by nishiki@juno.com (Aaron K. Silverman)
12) Rick's Schtick, or, really marginal DTC
by nishiki@juno.com (Aaron K. Silverman)
13) 2 cents worth of Ivanhoe
by nishiki@juno.com (Aaron K. Silverman)
14) Keyboards and Guitars, and I "play" both!
by nishiki@juno.com (Aaron K. Silverman)
15) Who would win in a knife fight, Rick or WildKoba?
by nishiki@juno.com (Aaron K. Silverman)
16) The New, Improved Andy Keegan (tm)
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
17) the anal rape of my computer, and funk fingers
by WildKoba@aol.com
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 22:43:11 -0500
From: HowWee@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: lyrics
Message-ID: <961216224310_1653332956@emout03.mail.aol.com>
If you are upset about vulgar lyrics in DT music, dont be. On June 9, 1994,
about 500 fans were mercy fucked during acos at the BH. James said I'm sick
of all you hipocrates......i dont need your mercy fuck to get me.... Then
last year at the BH during the X-mas mini tour he said I dont need your
fucking shit.... I have the boots to proove it if there are questons. My
ears fool me not when it comes to plain english. BTW, I thought that I
killed the KH thread that was started.
-howard
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 21:51:40 -0600 (CST)
From: Matthew P Robbins <robbins@aero.und.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2120
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.90.961216214041.86368E-100000@heart.cas.und.nodak.edu>
I'm brand new to the jam guys, so forgive me for anything stupid. I saw a
name mentioned in jam 2120 that I'd not associated with Prog before:
Vanessa-Mae. She's not prog, but she's an awesome talent (if a bit to
pop-teenager at times). Anyway, I first heard about her while reading a
airline magazine on a Southwest flight. So next time you're flying
somewhere, pick up that cheesy airline mag in the seat pocket. Some of
them have pretty good music sections and CD reviews.
By the way, am I the only one who thinks these ongoing arguments on the
jam are pretty juvenile. It makes editing the jam to find the
interesting stuff too time consuming. No offense.
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 96 20:02:19 PST
From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Neon? Concert tokers, ytse-'tudes
Message-ID: <9612170402.AA22195@tengs1>
>To the guy who flipped his Neon or whatever and did not even know it....In
the future....I do not recommend you telling that story to someone who just
met you...made ya look like....well...... kinda weird.
It did? It doesn't sound as bad as hitting a deer on your
motorcycle one night on a lonely mountain road doing about
70mph, skidding down the chip-and-seal roadsurface, getting
up and screaming in anger because you're 17 and just started
college and lost your only mode of transportation, then limping
up and pushing your ruined bike a 1/4 mile into town--- with
your arms because your hands are covered in blood from severe
lacerations, coming to the second house (no one was home at
the first one) and knocking on the door with your elbows (it
was a white door), staring at your knee-- which looks like
hamburger--- and finding out later that your quadracep tendon
is severed and your left kneecap is ground flat. Thank God for
adrenaline, helmets, and leather jackets. They don't help
much when you're wearing dress pants and no gloves though.
I have never known that much pain in my life. Breaking my
collarbone was a field day in comparison. Is that weird enough?
>The guy standing behind me was smoking pot! Arrrgh!!! You're at a
friggin Dream Theater concert, you don't NEED drugs to be high!
Heh. At the Sacramento Rush show, some of my friends had crappy
seats, so they would occupy others until they were kicked out.
Finally, they went to the security desk and complained about
some guys tokin' it up where they were sitting,"I didn't realize
that our seats would be in the pot-smoking section," so they
got to sit in one of the boxes. And there never were any pot-smokers
in their section.
>6. Type O Negative and Moonspell tomorrow. I promise my gig report will not
include any of the following:
- what I ate before the show and where I ate it
- the size of my car's fuel tank
- how long it took me to get there and how many polar bears I saw en route
- the age, height and weight of the people standing nearest to me
- a list with the names of all the Ytsejammers I didn't meet.
Wow. You must be related to Damon...
>Right, the system still isn't working, so I'm off to get pissed as a ferret.
...but it's okay to waste bandwidth talking about alcoholism.
Zach (going home to down 8 or 9 Redwolfs (Redwolves?) tonight)
"Merry Christmas, from Payless..."
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 21:31:02 +0000
From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2120
Message-ID: <199612170441.VAA06406@cyberhighway.net>
> I'm brand new to the jam guys, so forgive me for anything stupid. I saw a
> name mentioned in jam 2120 that I'd not associated with Prog before:
> Vanessa-Mae. She's not prog, but she's an awesome talent (if a bit to
> pop-teenager at times). Anyway, I first heard about her while reading a
> airline magazine on a Southwest flight. So next time you're flying
> somewhere, pick up that cheesy airline mag in the seat pocket. Some of
> them have pretty good music sections and CD reviews.
Hell, I've got her CD. This chick rocks pretty hard. I especially
like the last track on the album, Red Hot. I first saw her play on
the Disney Channel. It was kewl to see a violin player up there with
a kewl band, ie: Sax, Guitar, Bass, Drummer, Small seated orchestra.
Has a kewl, Pop oriented classical sound. Kinda different, but
Tocatta and Fugue in D Minor really rocks!
Anyway,
Just my $.04
KorgX3 NOT The "Other" Ibanez (anymore)
ibanez@cyberhighway.net
"Well, I try to write music that Indiana Jones would listen to."
--David Arkenstone
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 21:42:03 -0700
From: "woot" <sir@micron.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: SG fans will be interested in this
Message-ID: <199612170446.VAA21756@snowden.micron.net>
I've decided to go ahead and forward a message I got a while back to the
jam. To give you a little background, From the first listen, I was very
intrigued with track #20. I sent him my interpretation, so at the end
that's what he's talking about. If I get a whole bunch of inquiries, I'll
post my interpretation to the jam. Last time I mentioned it I tried to
keep it kinda hush hush but since Mr Cadden-James seems to like it somewhat
I'll go ahead and post it if there's enough interest. BTW, Damon had 11
posts last jam. :)
woot
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 21:42:27 -0700
From: "woot" <sir@micron.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Fw: track #20
Message-ID: <199612170446.VAA21762@snowden.micron.net>
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> From: MR CARL E CADDEN-JAMES <GWAY97A@prodigy.com>
> To: sir@micron.net
> Subject: Re: track #20
> Date: Saturday, November 23, 1996 3:19 PM
>
> Craig,
> Howdy. About track #20. Let me give you a little background. The
> track is called TG94. Stands for Thanksgiving 1994. Gary writes a
> piece every year on Thanksgiving. We agreed when we put it on the cd
> to not just come right out and reveal what this was all about. We
> have gotten many responses to what it is and some are out there. But
> not yours. We are not an in your face Christian band but we don't
> need to be. Speaking for myself, I am a Bible believing Christian. I
> believe that the manipulation of mankind on a spiritual level most
> often occurs behind the scenes. In the shadows, if you will. Evil
> permiates through music in such a subversive fashion these days. Time
> to fight back. On the same level. It's just that not evreyone needs
> to know that. For most, music is just for enjoyment. But no matter
> what, there is always something deeper that it is passed on and more
> often than not, it is subliminal. As for your interpertation cheers.
> However there is still that whole code notion going around........
> Carl
>
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 23:52:32 -0500 (EST)
From: "Scott R. Daugherty" <srdaugz2@homer.louisville.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: My Thoughts
Message-ID: <199612170452.XAA26811@homer.louisville.edu>
Hello everyone,
Been a long time since I last posted, but I thought I'd comment on a
few items of discussion. Sorry if these topics are old, but it all depends on
how you look at it, either 2 days old or ten freakin' jams old.
About Bafu's comments on performing someone else's music; I'm a
classical guitar principle and can say from experience that it's not about
doing something that thousands of people have already done, it's about
learning how to make that music yours. I don't care if the definitive
recording of Bach's Lute suite in E minor has already been recorded by John
Williams, I learned it to see what I could do with it. I don't mean to sound
like I took your comments too seriously, but it seemed like you gave no merit
to the ability to perform someone else's music convincingly.
Also don't discount learning someone else's music in order to increase
your own ability. I don't know why I just wrote all that stuff, Bafu gets it
anyway (by the way, how was that Eric Johnson video?).
To answer Damon's question about why the guitar IS rock-n-roll. Well,
it obviously has to do with that whole phallic representation thing. I know
that's why I play the guitar. :)
See ya,
Scott Daugherty
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 21:56:43 -0700
From: "woot" <sir@micron.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: oops
Message-ID: <199612170500.WAA22097@snowden.micron.net>
I said: (I know responding to yourself isn't cool)
>I just always thought that DT wouldn't feel it necessary to do something
>that juvenile. I'm saying that I'll stop listening to them and sell my 20
>cds/tapes/vids, but I for one would just prefer that the boys would
refrain
>from using any unnecessary expletives
Just thought I'd clear this up. Between the "I'm" and the "saying" there
should be a "not." I can't believe I made a mistake like that.
DT rulz!!!!
Wow at this rate I'll catch up to Damon (yea right).
woot
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 21:01:01 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Fig6cyaz
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.95b.961216205644.55932G-100000@dante29.u.washington.edu>
Offhand comment grows to terrifying proportions. Tonight on Da Jam.
---- > From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu> > To: The Damon and Bafu Jam <ytsejam@ax.com> > Subject: thingiesFive males say there aren't women in prog because of biological differences. I'm one of them. Guess which one gets his ass flamed.
Roughly a dozen people blast Damon for a variety of reasons. I'm one of them. Guess which one is perceived to be THE DAMON BLASTER.
Man, us guitarists don't get any respect. I hate myself and want to die.
> From: alex fraser <fraser@stolaf.edu> > Subject: music therapy, action figures > > finally, hey bafu - i've got a SloppyJoe69 action figure, complete with > "flock of sheep" accessory. what's that worth?
I think this one was sold as part of a trio, along with Frank and Davegod. And let's not overlook the instructions on the back of all the boxes for forming the ultra-cool Nuggetman figure, made from one part of each of the other figures. (Yeah, he's hidden, like Akuma...)
> "You're being a dick" talking Madsman doll
I don't know, the pull-cord kept breaking on mine...
> Richie Rivera doll with jelly doughnut and speeding ticket accessories
Don't worry, Richie...one'a these days I'll show that chortling bastard what laughter really means in this life...
> the extra-rare Pat Daugherty action figure with goatee and flannel shirt
Whoah! I've never seen this one.
> Charone with hot Majesty-symbol poker (not recommended for children > under 3)
What about all the other weapons? Let me guess, you LOST them! Just like Chewbacca's crossbow! Christ, D-Man, what are we going to do with you???
> ultra-rare "Bafu consulting a thesaurus" figure
Almost as rare as the "D-Man consulting a jokebook" figure.
*insert dragon-punch here*
;)
> the special collector's set of everyone ever named "Ibanez"
Truly a set in itself.
> and, of course, the rarest of all, Rip with hamburger accessory.
MOOOOO!!
1 11 21 1211 111221 21112211 1221112221 MikeBahrDrivingYouInsane 1MikeBahrDrivingYouInsane 111MikeBahrDrivingYouInsane 21111MikeBahrDrivingYouInsane 1Froboz2Fruitopias3Flamingoes4FrenchFries
Boy did that music theory final fry me... But at least I can now draw and explain the circle of fifths AT WILL! Major AND minor! At last I understand what the hell Nuggetman was talking about with the key of Z!!
Plus now I can sneer at people and randomly say "I know all the modes. Ha. Ha. Ha. I'm feeling rather LYDIAN today, not that I'd expect YOU to know what that means... Ho-hum, guess I'll polish up my DORIAN runs... Wanna help? Oh, I forgot, you CAN'T."
"A little knowledge is a dangerous thing." --Alexander Pope
Bafu Vai
pink! pink! pink!
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Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 00:13:13 -0800 From: Steven Thum <sthum@sunflowr.usd.edu> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: new Fates Warning fan!!! Message-ID: <32B65619.3EFD@sunflowr.usd.edu>
Hey 'Jammers!
While at the used CD store in Sioux Falls, SD, yesterday, I picked up "Inside Out" by Fates Warning.
After hearing a lot about this band, but never had heard them, I thought I would give them a try. Heck, I bought 5 CDs, and I was getting one for free. I chose, "Inside Out."
All I can say is, WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I love every track on this CD. It is incredible. A lot like DT, but different enough to have their own sound.
I would like to thank all you 'Jammers who have talked about this band. If it were not for you guys and gals, I never would have found out about them.
My next question is, which FW CD do I pick up next? I love the "sound", the melodies and "feel" of the songs on "Inside Out." I don't know what their other CDs sound like. Where should I go from here? Are there any I should avoid?
Also, I'm sure there are some good FW sites on the WWW....
I would love to hear from you guys & gals.
Steven Thum sthum@sundance.usd.edu
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Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 00:08:23 PST From: nishiki@juno.com (Aaron K. Silverman) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Yet another useful post from me! Message-ID: <19961217.001954.10022.10.nishiki@juno.com>
I spent $11 on a pair of fancy earplugs, and boy, were they worth it! They knock out the most harmful frequencies more than others, and the sound quality that I hear is far, far better than with plain foam earplugs. Then again, I can never seem to find them when I'm going to a show. :( (Fortunately, the Rush show wasn't too loud. . .especially the guitar!!!)
DJKA
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 22:45:56 PST From: nishiki@juno.com (Aaron K. Silverman) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Rick's Schtick, or, really marginal DTC Message-ID: <19961217.001954.10022.3.nishiki@juno.com>
Rick, you said >> lays on some of those albums. Funny thing...back in my days at the University of Miami Music School, I remember at guitar player saying, and I quote, "Frank Gambale? That guy personifies bad taste." -Dan Warner. Well, I << And I thought *I* personified bad taste at that school!!! (Or were it Frank "Sebastian Bach" 's boots?)
Anyway, for those of you who I was in contact with, I skipped the DT show, but made it to Rush, where the guitar was apparently not plugged into any sort of amplification.
Party on,
DJ Kuul A
Extra noise: Instead of the DT show, I discovered that Mars Attacks was weaker than expected (but still pretty good), and One Fine Day and Jingle All The Way were both quite a bit better than expected(especially due to all the people who said JATW was one of the worst movies ever). I make sure every morning to sacrifice two live puppies so that my lovely wife will look as good as Michelle Pfeiffer does when she's that old. (Of course she will!)
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Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 00:03:14 PST From: nishiki@juno.com (Aaron K. Silverman) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: 2 cents worth of Ivanhoe Message-ID: <19961217.001954.10022.8.nishiki@juno.com>
Jan-Michael wrote >> Just a quick note about Ivanhoe. I recently traded a DT cd bootleg of mine for an Ivanhoe cd. I am very pleased with Ivanhoe and here is my take on it. In MY opinion, if you take Images & Words and Awake, and stick them in a blender and mix them together, you have Ivanhoe. With a little edge on Awake since Ivanhoe's guitars are very crunchy yet the whole band is very melodic. Vocals are very good as well. So if you folks who haven't heard Ivanhoe like I&W and Awake, you can't go wrong with this cd! <<
I want to add a couple of things, especially the "you can't go wrond with this cd" part. Ivanhoe is kuul, BUT
a) their songwriting is nowhere near DT's b) if you aren't into metal, don't even bother with them.
They have elements of the usual German melodic metal stuff too. I like them, but I just wanted to add the above warnings.
Party on (again)!
The Mighty Poster (not Poseur!) of the Day,
DJ Kuul A
PS Yes, I think I've posted more times in the past hour than in the past year. . .
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 23:23:51 PST From: nishiki@juno.com (Aaron K. Silverman) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Keyboards and Guitars, and I "play" both! Message-ID: <19961217.001954.10022.5.nishiki@juno.com>
Yeah, that depends on your definition of "play", I guess. . .:)
Anyway, Brian wrote: >> You're right about Hammonds and organs - the problem was by that time, th= e=20 guitar was already firmly entreched, and people were still doing new, cre= ative=20 things with it. My guess is that if keyboards came out for the first time= right=20 now in this era of shitty, cliched guitar playing passing for genius, the= y would have a good shot at being very popular. It's a case of bad timing. Nobody= wanted << Firstly, I almost had a spontaneous orgasm at the sight of those rare "=20"'s. :)
Actually, remember NEW WAVE? For a while Punk was the big thing, no keyboards whatsoever (talent?). Then digital keyboards became available for the average person, and POOF! Blondie. Of course, we soon found out that it had a heart of glass (sorry) and there was a backlash against overuse of keyboards. One of the nice things about prog is we get bands which make good use of more than one lead instrument. Can't we all just get along? I feel like as we move past this currently popular "music" we may be looking at some more light, keyboardy music as opposed to all this whiny grungy goofiness.
Party on,
DJKA
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 23:56:54 PST From: nishiki@juno.com (Aaron K. Silverman) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Who would win in a knife fight, Rick or WildKoba? Message-ID: <19961217.001954.10022.7.nishiki@juno.com>
First I'd like to thank Rick and Dave for providing me with Ytse-Entertainment lately. (While I'm thanking, let me also thank Bri Levy for making me feel less bad about missing Birch Hill, although I'm sorry you had a crappy day. What did you think of Rush?)
Anyway, my opinion on this little jazz/fusion altercation is this: I don't think Coltrane is really fusion like the guys Rick mentioned are. He's kuul, but he's a lot tougher for a metalhead to get into than, say, Allan Holdsworth.
Let me also recommend Brian Auger, a fusion organ player. He has a ton of albums (which all seem to be cheapies. . .the live disc, 3 records on 2 CD's, lists for $15). . .I have the new best of set, which ROCKS! Auger played on The Yardbirds' "For Your Love" and Donovan's "Season of the Witch" (at least, I think it was the Donovan version), and has played in bands with Rod Stewart and John McLaughlin.
Coltrane is one of the greats, but his connection to DT's genre of music is indirect at best.
Party on,
DJ Kuul A
PS Riccc brought up classical. . .I just borrowed a disc of Varese and Ives music. . .and all I can say about it is "ladfhmavlkshkibesrelidfasfe". Check this stuff out, it's unlike anything you've heard before. Good? I'm not sure yet, but it's definitely *different*! (BTW, Varese was Frank Zappa's idol.)
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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 21:48:41 -0800 (PST) From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: The New, Improved Andy Keegan (tm) Message-ID: <199612170548.AA02006@crl.crl.com>
> BTW, Al B., Paul Cashman didn't recognize me and he stayed at my > place last year.
Yea, Andy, but you look......different. Younger or something. Hard to place it, but I remember someone else mentioning the same thing; they didn't recognize you right off the bad, either.
Boosterspice? Melange? Ginsana? C'mon, out with it; you're taking some sort of life-extending drug. :)
-- Seen my diary on the newsstand | Paul W. Cashman Seems we've lost the truth to quicksand | www.crl.com/~vanyel It's a shame no-one is praying <---+--- Dream Theater "Voices" 'Cause these voices in my head keep sayin'.."Love, just don't stare."
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Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 00:57:13 -0500 From: WildKoba@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: the anal rape of my computer, and funk fingers Message-ID: <961217005712_269406946@emout13.mail.aol.com>
something silly happened to my little shit-mac. whatever, so i don't know how long my shit will be running until it keels over for good, or i shoot it.
being that shit like that makes me so cheery, i wanted to address labrie saying "shit". not that it's all that big a deal, but personally, i think song lyrics about fucking goats would be really cool right now. maybe i'm hoping for too much, but ah, what the fuck?
um, check this out. i had the privilege of purchasing tony levin's "funk fingers" (his actual right hand!). no, they're those little drumsticks he attaches to his fingers to play bass with on occasion (any gabriel or crimson fans should knwo what i mean). anyone looking for something exciting, should check out his webpage:
papabear records is his record label, based in woodstock, ny (holy shit- he's almost next door to me!!). but it's cool shit he's got. and the funk fingers page is
http://papabear.com/pbtlff.htm
lots of cool shit. check it and dig that shit.
speaking of funk, strange shit tomorrow for me. can't wait for my "journey" (hee hee).
postcards while i'm there. love, ytsegoon
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