YTSEJAM Digest 2124
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Damon and his snot.
by "Greg R. Lee" <greg@aix.can.ibm.com>
2) wierd dreams
by David Alderman <alde0004@gold.tc.umn.edu>
3) how'd *you* get sucked in?
by RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU
4) To new Fates Warning fans
by Matthew P Robbins <robbins@aero.und.edu>
5) knives, drugs and the ytsejammer
by WildKoba@aol.com
6) Re: Inferno
by "DREG Records" <DREG@hutman.com>
7) Superior URL?
by "Mike Patrick" <mepatrick@iquest.net>
8) Neil ..dt fan club..
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
9) All 4 now
by Randall Braun <RBraun@adnc.ameridata.com>
10) Jam #2112 and stuph...
by psull@ici.net (Pat Sullivan)
11) Good post bad post POODLE POST!!!
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
12) dubbing fix496 gigs, major hit?, RJ boot, Jon, videogames, turkey talk
by "Ollila Marko" <marko.ollila@metsaserla.fi>
13) Emerson, Luc and Ponty/whose minding the mind/Gimme the 3rd degree
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
14) Great and terrible news.
by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
15) to the awake boot question...
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
16) Silent Abstractions...
by Andrew Rittner <adr93001@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>
17) While we're beating a dead horse. . .
by Scott Holthausen <smh@ldg.com>
18) dreamt irc
by vanzin@dks.com.br
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Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 10:21:22 -0500 (EST)
From: "Greg R. Lee" <greg@aix.can.ibm.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Damon and his snot.
Message-ID: <199612171521.KAA17282@slash.toraix.can.ibm.com>
Damon M. Fibraio said:
"And forgive me if I don't appreciate good art. I mean, I blew my nose last
week and it looked pretty good to me, but I am sure it's not classic art by
any means. All those colors. Pretty tough when you see the way i do, I guess."
Now that is pretty sick...You would have had to touch your snot to see it.
But it would have been really cool at least if the crunchy bits from your
nose spelled out YTSEJAM in braille!!!
Now to the jammers that may have pissed off Derek with their comments...way
to go. Hey if I replace JP some day, you can bet I'll change some of the
guitar arrangements so I won't be so bored playing some ex-members stuff.
I look forward to hearing what DT has done with some of the songs...If I want
to hear note for note playing, I'll listen to the CD...
Greg,
Toronto.
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Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 09:37:22 -0600
From: David Alderman <alde0004@gold.tc.umn.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: wierd dreams
Message-ID: <32B6BE32.628@gold.tc.umn.edu>
Last night I had a dream that I was shopping for an Ibanez guitar. All
they had at the store were 9 and 10 string guitars. The darn (look no
profanity) salesperson wouldn't even let me play it. "Hey don't touch
that, you can only look." Oh well...
Now playing Steve Vai (too bad about the bus) "Fire Garden"
David
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Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 11:21:54 -0500 (EST)
From: RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: how'd *you* get sucked in?
Message-ID: <01ID44TBP1DE003LRR@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU>
A recent post got me thinking of how I got into DT. See, I happened to notice
a strange new CD lying on my brother's floor a few years ago. I was attracted
to the physical package design so much that I decided to give it a listen.
I didn't instantly start having orgasms or anything, hey, but I liked what I
heard. Complex, heavy, progressive. This was, btw, Awake. It'd been in a
listening booth at Tower(!) and my brother had just happened to listen to it
there, and he bought it immediatly.
But the funny thing is that I was *destined* to be a DT fan. This all
takes place over Christmas break a few years ago, and when I got back to school
in Jan. I had a new roommate, from India no less. So we're getting acquanted,
you know how it is, eventually the "so what do you listen to?" comes up, and it
did. I was so *not* expecting him to say dream theater that I actually thought
he said GREEN DAY. I confused dream theater with *green day* because I thought
it so improbable that anyone else I knew would have heard of them yet. So I
was a ittle ignorant on that matter, so fuckin' sue me. :)
But no, DT happens to be this guy's favorite band and I guarantee I would have
heard it from him had I not heard it elsewhere first.
So you see, I was *destined* to be a DT fan, one way or the other.
Destined, I tell you. Destined!
So let's hear some more of these stories.
razi
rasi2290@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu
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Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 10:22:01 -0600 (CST)
From: Matthew P Robbins <robbins@aero.und.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: To new Fates Warning fans
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.90.961217101255.17876A-100000@heart.cas.und.nodak.edu>
Parallels is my favorite FW CD by far and is definately a great one to
pick up for the new fan. You might also try their greatest hits cd titled
"Chasing Time." The cd booklet inside gives an excellent history of the
band and its music and it contains 14 tracks. Check it out if you want a
taste of FW music through the years.
~Matt
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Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 11:28:17 -0500
From: WildKoba@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: knives, drugs and the ytsejammer
Message-ID: <961217112816_1720507632@emout05.mail.aol.com>
as for a knife-fight..........what are we, on crack here? we all know that
because i only have 2 fingers, i'd lose handily. no knives or connivers for
me, thanks. aaron, you're a crackhead freak.
SPEAKING OF DRUGS...................
to all you people complaining about the smell of pot at the dt shows:
relaaaaax. so what if the brother next to you's smokin? unless he blows it in
your face (to which i would then kill him), every one has their way of
enjoying dt (or any other band, for that matter). if the brother's gotta have
his hits, let em have it. the truth of the matter is that, some guy smoking
pot shouldn't ruin your night. as for "you don't need to be high with dt's
music", maybe YOU don't, but maybe THEY do. whatever, that's their problem. i
personally have heard them sober, drunk, stoned, and tripping, and it makes
NO FUCKING DIFFERENCE. but whatever- let the brother do his shit, and you go
do yours......i guess (to add to my "flexible ears" title, i guess i have a
"flexible-state-of-mind- power-to-listen-to-dt", too)
it's not that i say "everyone must get stoned". OF COURSE you don't HAVE to
(people like d-man and bafu have proven that to me), but i don't think
treating the stoners like nazi war criminals is any more useful. whatever.
i'm sure someone will bitch to me about this, and telll me coltrane isn't
fusion.... ;-)
ytsegoon
****************************************************************
david kobayashi
wildkoba@aol.com
bd91014@binghamton.edu
"my yellow in this case is not so mellow, in fact, i'm trying to say it's
frightened like me. and all of these emotions of mine keep holding me from
giving my life to a rainbow like you...." -j. hendrix
"through nature's inflexible grace, i'm learning to live." - j. myung
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Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 11:36:58 +0000
From: "DREG Records" <DREG@hutman.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Inferno
Message-ID: <1361300346-2776571@hutman.com>
> From: Mike Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu>
> Subject: Inferno News
>
> BTW I am the guy who runs the official Inferno site. The URL is in my
> .sig. For those who know nothing of Inferno, they are a band that has a
> CD called _Psychic Distance_ out on MAssacre Records in Germany, and they
> have a demo tape called _Architect_. The music is heavy with obvious
> influences of Rush, Metallica, and Dream Theater. They opened for Dream
> Theater on the I&W tour.
They can also be found on the "DREGs of the Internet" compilation.
Great band!
-steve
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http://www.hutman.com/dreg/
Available now:
* "DREGs of the Internet - Vol 1" - a dozen of the internet's
best independent progressive rock & metal bands...
* Facade's "fade" - original progressive rock...
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Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 09:51:25 -0500
From: "Mike Patrick" <mepatrick@iquest.net>
To: "DT" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Superior URL?
Message-ID: <m0va2Xs-005OfVC@iquest2.iquest.net>
Hey, a while back someone posted a URL for Superior that had samples from
each of 'Behind's songs. I can't find the site now. Can anyone help?
Mike Patrick
mepatrick@iquest.net
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Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 13:04:16 -0500
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: El Jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Neil ..dt fan club..
Message-ID: <32B6E0A0.7931@caribe.net>
Hey ..does anyone know whats happened to neil? ....neil email me! :)
--
Look around...hear the sounds...
Cherish your life,while you're still around...
<Dream Theater: A Change Of Seasons>
WoWoW! WoWoW! WoWoW! -Mike Portnoy
mailto:calfaro@Caribe.net
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Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 12:49:03 -0600
From: Randall Braun <RBraun@adnc.ameridata.com>
To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: All 4 now
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=GE%l=AMERIDATA/ADNC/000C71CE@msb01ncadctmsge.ameridata.com>
>>>>>I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress.
-from King Crimson, *Discipline*
>>>>>What the hell is the difference between the B3, the C3 and the L100
from Hammond, anyway>?
The B3 and the C3 are the essentially the same, except that one is the
European model (C3, the one Keith Emerson uses if you'd the credits, esp.
on the early albums), and the other is the (North) American model (B3).
Difference: power supply?? 110v vs 220? No flames please, if vice versa.
The L100 is a smaller model that KE also uses. I believe that the L100 is
actually the one that KE *throws* about the stage, but not sure. For more
info on Hammonds: see
*http://www.webcom.com/~groove/hammond/faq.html*
Related question: Does/did KM or DS actually use a Hammond on stage or in
the studio on any DT recordings. IMO, the *Hammond* sound, esp. *Perfect
Strangers* cover, is synthesizer, not actually a Hammond: it sounds too
clean to my ear to be Hammond+Leslie.
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Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 14:05:41 -0500
From: psull@ici.net (Pat Sullivan)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Jam #2112 and stuph...
Message-ID: <199612171900.OAA02390@uhura.ici.net>
>HAHAHAHAHAHAHA <psychotic laugh> I WAITED UNTIL 4 FUCKING AM FOR 2111 TO
>COME OUT JUST TO GET A DAMNED POST IN 2112!! THE SLEEP DEPRIVATION THREW ME
>OFF SCHEDULE FOR THE NEXT DAY OR TWO, WHICH EXPLAINS WHY I DIDNT GET ENOUGH
>SLEEP LAST NIGHT!! BUT IT WAS WORTH EVERRYYYY DAMMMNNN MINUTE!!!!!!!
Heh...I got 2111, kinda casually typed in a reply to some posts in there,
and posted it. I wasnt' even trying to get in 2112 (although I *was* aware
of the possibility), AND I GOT THE EOJ IN 2112.. MUHAHAHAHAHA!!!! :):)
I just thought it was kind of ironic that all these people were trying
desperately to get a post in there, and I got in just off-the-cuff.
-----
>I guess you weren't at the Strand show then. I could have walked into
>that place with a shotgun under my coat and no one would have been the
>wiser until I started to blow away the Beth Hart Band *grin* (sounds
>like a good idea doesn't it?).
If I had known security was going to be that lax, I probably *would* have
brought something in...Seriously folks - at the Strand, they didn't even
frisk. I mean, even when they were checking for "over 21", they only did a
quick glance at my license.
>Not that I am implying that I have tapes of the show or anything *evil
>grin*.
What, you don't want these good jammers to know that know know people who
know people who...... :)
-----
_____Pat Sullivan_____________________________________________
E-mail: psull@ici.net
IRC: DDictator
WWW: http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html
NP: Dream Theater - "When Dream And Day Unite"
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Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 13:05:21 -0600
From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Good post bad post POODLE POST!!!
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19961217190521.006d8514@enteract.com>
Hey,
I just wanted to say that posts like Damon's with little interviews
with the band are exactly why I find this list to be essential. I am not
the jam majority so I won't tell people to stop a thread if it's legitimate,
even if I think it's completely wasting bandwidth
*coughcoughmydadlikesXmusiccough* but I really have to give the YtseReporter
award to senor Damon. I think the vast majority of us haven't been able
(for geographical reasons) to see any of the DT shows on this mini tour, or
any of Mike and John's clinics EVER (GET YOUR ASS TO CHICAGO, YOU FRIGGIN'
EAST COASTERS!) and as such any information from the band directly is
invaluable.
Next, lay off Bafu... he's not to blame for everything. Most of it,
yes, but not everything. He definately gets the Miss Understood award for
the Ytsejam. (And we're looking into what's causing the the cord on the
"You're Being a Dick" Madsman action figure to get stuck. We've had to
recall them from the stores because one of them was reciting Bon Jovi lyrics
backwards and it appears there are a few hidden messages, and another one
actually choked a blind guy to death... )
Build a happier YtseTomorrow. Remember to drink your Mountain Dew.
Chris W. Ptacek Musician and Listener
A.K.A Madsman, on IRC
"Can we search for inspiration -- those ideas that just come
from 'nowhere'? They don't surface when you're tHiNKinG.
They just come. What we CAN do is make fertile the ground
on which idea seeds fall."
- Michael Hedges
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Date: 17 Dec 96 21:53:01 +0200
From: "Ollila Marko" <marko.ollila@metsaserla.fi>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: dubbing fix496 gigs, major hit?, RJ boot, Jon, videogames, turkey talk
Message-ID: <9612172153.aa01@tppalv2.metsaserla.fi>
Howdy doo.
Now will everyone stop posting those "did anyone dub any of the recent DT
shows" posts. I thought this subject was supposed to be dealt with even before
the gigs took place. For chrissakes, Mike Portnoy (indirectly) asked us nicely
not to dub any of the gigs and here we are, commenting about how poor the
security was on some of the gigs and how you could've smuggled a frigging
portable studio in there. Have some respect to what mr. Portnoy said. There,
I still have to write a post without whining about something... :)
Vincent LuPone said:
>Heath's last post made me think about what would happen if DT became a
>major hit here in America. So, guys, what would happen? Would we turn
>bitter like so many Metallica fans did w/ the black album, or would we
>stick by our band even when the Ytsejam increases to 4,000 subscribers?
Dunno about that. But surely the Ytsejammers' quality would decrease....
Just take a look at the average fan of any of the 'major hits'...
Rick Audet enquired:
>I have a little question about a particular bootleg. The title is "Rockin
>Japan" and it's on Razor Edge records (I think). Now, supposedly the date of
>the show is January 27, 1995, but I don't see that date on the Master Tour
>List (located on the DT web site). Anybody know the deal with this boot, and
>what the sound quality is? I don't even see this boot listed on Mike
>Burstin's very informative Bootleg Discography page...
"Rockin' Japan" is the same boot as "Wake Up!" is (Jan. 24th 1995, Urawa Bunka
Center, Saitama, Japan, John Myung's birthday), but only has the nine first
songs of it. It has an excellent sound quality. All jammers beware! I know at
least three boots of the same gig. Wake Up!, Mind Control (has AFAIK some extra
songs on it ) and Rockin' Japan. And then there's of course the PPV video.
Spiff, our most vocal d00d from Oz said:
>...I decided to listen to Streets again. This is now probably my
>favourite album of all time. I love it. Savatage are now in my top 3
>bands. Jon Oliva is a 'kin legend!
Amen. I'll drink to that.
I guess that Sega Saturn pinball "Necronomicon" won't be the only videogame
hit the jammers will be buying to hear the music...did all the Satch fans and
Steve Vai aficionados know that there's a Formula One simulation for the Sony
Playstation that features 15 rock tracks, including BOTH of the aforementioned
guitar gods...? Now did all the guitarists leave for the nearest videogame
rental yet? And just FYI, Playstation's music tracks can be played with a
regular CD player.
>Gluck Gluck Gobble Gobble
Now WTF is this? Sounds like gobbledegook to me. :)
_Mapex_ (Yet another instrument around here? I guess you knew this was coming.)
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Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 20:47:16 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Emerson, Luc and Ponty/whose minding the mind/Gimme the 3rd degree
Message-ID: <32B706D4.2847@mailstorm.dot.gov>
> From: Randall Braun <RBraun@adnc.ameridata.com>
> Keith Emerson, IMO, is among the very BEST on the Hammond (C3/B3, L100).
> He's been at it for a long, long, long time.
His left hand is better than most keyboardists' right!
> Jean-Luc Ponty -among the best on the electric/acoustic violin,
Funny thing, I saw him BACK UP Rennaisance a long while ago. Amazing
effects on his violin. When Rennaissance came on we left after about 5
minutes into the second song. It was anti-climactic. No offense to any
Ren. fans, just Jean-Luc is in a different league and had no business
backing them up!)
I'd love to see Eddie Jobson and JLP jam together sometime, though the
resultant sound might cause unpredictable weather patterns
> From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
> It all depends on how open-minded your parents are...and can
> open up to new things.
At a mere 78, there's less and less of my Pop's mind available for
openings! His idea of new things is putting those timeless lyrics "za
voooza vooza voo" to whatever happens to be playing on the radio :)
Strangers in the night, exchanging fluids...
CD Review:
Some of you besides may have seen the guy outside the Strand pedalling a
CD from his group "3rd degree." He mentioned DT, Rush and Marillion
among others as influences. I had an extra ticket I couldn't unload, so
I traded him for a disc.
Right out of the gate, I like it. A clean sound to it from up on the
etherial plane :) It's got lots of melodic changes within a song. Some
of the harmonies actually do remind me of King's X, another influence,
or perhaps, Utopia (they did cover some Todd RUndgren stuff). I
personally like some of the places the acoustic guitar goes. I could see
them backing up DT. It might make for a little more of a progressive
theme than Einstein/Beth Hart, not that there was anything wrong with
them.
Hey, take it easy on me, it's my first review <sniff> <sniff>.
Anyways, if you're interested they have a web page stamped on the CD.
They gotta be worth a looksie just for that, eh? There's a few sound
samples there for you to nibble on...
http://tribeca.ios.com/~degree3 (I'm from Joisey, you from Joisey? :)
Go now, see ya,
Jon
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Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 13:53:03 -0700 (MST)
From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Great and terrible news.
Message-ID: <199612172053.NAA07414@goodguy.goodnet.com>
The terrible part is that the band has asked me to cease
production of Tapestry. The great part is that we can reasonably guess,
between that and the Xmas CD contents, that the Uncovered material is
going to be released for real. Just speculation, of course, but it's based
in reality.
Here's what's up with the CD orders then. I'll be moving directly
on to the Darkest of Winters CD (DT of course) which will feature material
from the Holidays shows of 1995. Scarred, the instrumentals, the medleys,
electric Silent Man, changed Lie, changed Voices, etc. The source material
is really really great.
If you want TDOW anyway, I will automatically carry over your
Tapestry payment and/or reservation to Darkest of Winters. You needn't do
anything to make this happen, I'm just changing my listing header. :)
Since most of you buy every DT boot I make anyhow, I am guessing that this
will be the overwhelmingly popular decision. Winters will be released in
early 1997 just like Tapestry was going to be.
If you had your heart so set on the covers stuff that nothing else
will do, I can refund your order. Just let me know. Or, at your option,
you can substitute any other CD I make in its place. Because this was an
unforeseen eventuality, you CAN get a Tori Amos Inside the Storm or
Metallica Wrath of God in this way (this is sort of limited to the first
several people who request it, obviously).
Anyway, I'm sorry to all for the change of plans. Of course, it's
hard to be bummed when I'm still excited that the covers gig stuff will
likely show up on real releases! :) Take care all...
- Mike Bahr - durnik@goodnet.com - Go ASU Sun Devils!
(all this will be added to the update as soon as my ISP gets their damned
Zmodem fixed.
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Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 15:35:08 -0600
From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: to the awake boot question...
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19961217213508.00713ba4@mail.inlink.com>
>
>I have a little question about a particular bootleg. The title is "Rockin
>Japan" and it's on Razor Edge records (I think). Now, supposedly the date of
>the show is January 27, 1995, but I don't see that date on the Master Tour
>List (located on the DT web site). Anybody know the deal with this boot, and
>what the sound quality is? I don't even see this boot listed on Mike
>Burstin's very informative Bootleg Discography page, nor on Ed Polzin's
>lovely bootleg page. What gives?
the date is wrong, i have this boot, the guys who made it are nadwipes. its
really from january 24th 1995 and it is actually a one disc version of the
popular 2 disc "Wake Up!" the sound quality is pretty good, its soundboard
i'm pretty sure.. the only complaints i've heard are john myung's bass being
a bit loud n buzzy, or james having a bit of an "off night"... i dont find
either of these disturbing, but if you're picky you just might. hope i
helped :)
~Rip
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Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 17:28:28 +0500
From: Andrew Rittner <adr93001@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>
To: YtseJam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Silent Abstractions...
Message-ID: <yam6925.1439.36237912@uconnvm.uconn.edu>
The time is now... the scene: a dark, messy dorm-room in North Eastern
Connecticut... a scruffy looking college student (me), is in desperate need of
a subject for an abstract painting he must paint for his scenic painting
course. He wonders why audio engineers must take scenic painting. Anyway. He
searches in vain for some time, until his eyes fall upon the cover of his
Silent Man single. Ahha! The Muses have spoken! Perfect shapes to abstract,
cylinders and such... Ah! It was great... He painted fast and furious, and in
the end had a not too bad painting that to the trained eye could still be
easily recognized as the cover. Even had an abstract bullet hole and cracks...
Someday I ought to stick a scan of it someplace for anyone who cares. The
teacher loved it. =+)
Now back to your regular scheduled flame-war...
Andy
--
======================================================================
= Andrew Rittner = Whoa! Roof pig! =
= adr93001@UConnVM.UConn.Edu = Most Unexpected! =
= http://www.ucc.uconn.edu/~adr93001 = -The Tick =
======================================================================
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Date: Tue, 17 Dec 96 22:13:44 -0500 (EST)
From: Scott Holthausen <smh@ldg.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: While we're beating a dead horse. . .
Message-ID: <199612172232.OAA08927@pawn.ax.com>
To all those bickering about guitar vs. keyboard:
The perfect solution. There is a great band that comes through my area
every now and then that has two bass players and a drummer. Now that's what
I like to see. :)
Happy Holidays!
Scott Holthausen
-smh@ldg.com
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Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 20:30:48 -0300
From: vanzin@dks.com.br
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: dreamt irc
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.12.17.-12.30.48.2579404677.472366@dks.com.br>
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From: William T Bajzek <wb2a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: dreamt Irc?
what's up with the irc server?
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It's not up, it's down :)
Skadz must be having every sort of problems in this new
server...
Temporarily we're meeting at irc.rocknet.com:6667
[]'s
Marcelo Vanzin
Sao Paulo - Brazil
vanzin@dks.com.br vanzin@dreamt.org
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6308/index.html
MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
DarkStar Multimidia BBs Telnet: dks.com.br Fone +55 011 870-1888
Internet, Gameconection, Games, ShareWare
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