YTSEJAM Digest 2129
Today's Topics:
1) Re: various DT ramblings
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
2) "A Fortune In Lies"
by jefffalk@bu.edu (Jeffrey Falk)
3) Lyrics to Take Away My Pain=Taping the show??? NO!
by "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2124
by Geir Botterli <geirb@hekta.iet.hist.no>
5) Re: Miracle in SLC
by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
6) Re: Boot beg
by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
7) full length song samples
by "DREG Records" <DREG@hutman.com>
8) Dream Theater SUCKS!
by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
9) Re: mars NDTC!
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
10) Ytse-recommendations
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
11) KingsX and Galactic Cowboys (NDTC)
by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
12) Re: various DT ramblings
by Taco Belhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
13) Fates Warning
by metal@mail.tij.cetys.mx (Juan Manuel Valverde Jaime)
14) Re: James
by "Elv" <cyclone@securenet.net>
15) Re: Birch Hole notes
by Drummnstan@aol.com
16) How i heard DT First...and other things
by metal@mail.tij.cetys.mx (Juan Manuel Valverde Jaime)
17) Magellan and Birch Hill
by "Bruce D. Duesterhoeft" <bduesterhoeft@enter.net>
18) Rush Show (short) synopsis...
by BLevy@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 21:15:01 -0500
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: various DT ramblings
Message-ID: <32B8A525.6012@caribe.net>
Jeff Taylor wrote:
>
> This sort of leads me to the next topic I wanted to discuss: What if DT were
> to suddenly become huge and everyone and their dog was listening to them? I'm
> pretty sure that I would still continue to support them and would remain as
> big a fan as ever. I'm thankful for the fact that I have discovered DT while
> they are still a relatively young and unknown band.
I totally agree..and feel the same way about it.. I know for a fact
.that if they get big.. well i can tell people that i listened to them
before they were big.. and theyll believe me ..because of all the
nagging and annoying that i did to them so they would give DT a listen..
while now everyone sees me with a new cd and they always say " Dream
Theater right" .. so if they get real big..at least i can be one of
those "chosen ones" to be into dt before.. Were a few but proud bunch
huh..?
--
Seize the day, I heard him say :
"Life will not always be this way,
Look around...hear the sounds...
Cherish your life,while you're still around... "
<Dream Theater: A Change Of Seasons>
WoWoW! WoWoW! WoWoW! -Mike Portnoy
mailto:calfaro@Caribe.net
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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 20:36:42 -0500
From: jefffalk@bu.edu (Jeffrey Falk)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: "A Fortune In Lies"
Message-ID: <v01540b00aede4c0eb4f2@[128.197.9.117]>
>If my ears served me correctly, I could have sworn I heard a little
> bit of Fortune in Lies at the very end of Metropolis. I was listening
> to Live at the Marquee driving to work today, and I'm sure there was a
> rift of the beginning of Fortune at the end of Metropolis during Sat's
> encore. Any one else hear that????
In Providence, they played that at the end of "A Change of
Seasons." (I think that was it; it was right as the show ended. They
never got to "Metropolis" because of some curfew law.)
Jeff Falk
Box 3208
700 Commonwealth Avenue
Boston, Massachusetts 02215
(617) 352-8639
jefffalk@bu.edu
"Whatever their future, at the dawn of their lives, men seek a noble vision
of man's nature and of life's potential. . . . It does not matter that only
a few in each generation will grasp and achieve the full reality of man's
proper stature-and that the rest will betray it. It is those few that move
the world and give life its meaning."
Ayn Rand, "Introduction," _The Fountainhead_
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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 20:36:37 -0500 (EST)
From: "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Lyrics to Take Away My Pain=Taping the show??? NO!
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.961218203140.16477A-100000@bu-ast.bu.edu>
Or, Heck No! just a result of attending a LOT of DT shows. I saw
them twice, and I think Andy saw them three times. When I heard them at
New Haven, I could barely understand James' singing, except whn I knew
the words. TAMP was the only tune where I could understand an inkling
of what he was sayin'. Andy just has a better ear (and memory) than I
do, so he caught much of what I missed...
-jeremy(but if you DO have a tape, catch the bridges to Take Away My
Pain, write em down, and email me!!!!!)
+=====================================================================+
# grad student, Boston U. #"He's sitting at the edge of the bed #
# Boston, MA 02134 # staring at the headlines in paper #
# Astronomy # He said 'Look at poor Gene Kelly #
# <*> <*> <*> # I guess he won't be singing in the rain' #
# Jeremy Hallum # You Took Away All My Heroes #
# jhallum@bu.edu # Can you Take Away My Pain" -Dream Theater #
+=====================================================================+
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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 02:37:53 +0100
From: Geir Botterli <geirb@hekta.iet.hist.no>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2124
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19961219013753.008fa2fc@hekta.iet.hist.no>
>From: RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU
>Subject: how'd *you* get sucked in?
[stuff deleted]
> So you see, I was *destined* to be a DT fan, one way or the other.
>Destined, I tell you. Destined!
>
>So let's hear some more of these stories.
>razi
>rasi2290@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu
>
Actually, i recently put up a DT-page, and there you will find a page with a
form where you type in how you got into DT. It is just one entry there yet
(mine :), but just made the page, and haven't spread the word yet :) So
please! Visit it and contribute to the page!
The page is very much unfinished, but it will improve damatically the next
couple of days. The adress is:
URL:http://hekta.iet.hist.no/~geirb
BTW: If anyone have a tape of one of the recent shows, I am very interested
in getting a copy! I am also interested in that ppv-vid that everyone is
bragging about :)
And Mike B, a little late perhaps, but congratulation!
"$/&"%#!$%$#/&"$TERGEWRG%FT"#%&"#$%
Hmm.. perhaps i made Damons speechsyntesizer crash? :)
--
Geir Botterli XMIR geirb@hekta.iet.hist.no
DT rules.
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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 18:45:20 +0000
From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Miracle in SLC
Message-ID: <199612190154.SAA14790@cyberhighway.net>
> I just have to tell people that will actuallly appreciate this. This morning I
> got into my car, turned on the local rock station and they were actually
> playing DT!!! It was "Another Day", but you have to start somewhere. This
> could be the result of one of two things 1) someone knows that DT is coming in
> concert in the near future or 2) someone in Salt Lake actually doesn't have
> their head stuck up their ass!!! Now all they have to do is start playing
> Helloween and some more Savatage and I'll be set.Just thought you'd like to
NOw let's just hope they actually tour through SLC. We got shafted
in Boise last year, and alot of the other kewl bands shafted SLC on
this last tour. Rush totally blew over it, as did G3. It's one of
the biggest cities in the nation, too. I guess it's got a bad rep
for being such a "good" city. :P If DT does show, look for me in my
Ytsejam shirt though!
Later!
KorgX3 NOT The "Other" Ibanez (anymore)
ibanez@cyberhighway.net
"Well, I try to write music that Indiana Jones would listen to."
--David Arkenstone
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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 18:45:20 +0000
From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Boot beg
Message-ID: <199612190155.SAA14799@cyberhighway.net>
> Sorry to do this when have been asked not to....
> Neil and the guys, you're tops! Did anyone notice that the CD's were numbered on
> the right hand side of the CD with a set of initials under it? In gold paint
> pen? Co-inky-dink? Hmmm.......
Hey, Neil, could you mail as to whether or not I got my order out in
time? I sent it some time back (the Monday pre-Thanksgiving) and
haven't gotten mine yet. Just wonderin'...
Chuck Reis (email's listed below)
KorgX3 NOT The "Other" Ibanez (anymore)
ibanez@cyberhighway.net
"Well, I try to write music that Indiana Jones would listen to."
--David Arkenstone
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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 21:04:03 +0000
From: "DREG Records" <DREG@hutman.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: full length song samples
Message-ID: <1361179927-3855769@hutman.com>
For those of you who still haven't ordered "DREGs of the Internet",
(despite all of the good reviews you've seen here!), you can now listen to
full-length song samples WITHOUT WAITING thanks to the kind folks
at RealAudio.
If you don't have it already, you can download RealAudio 3.0 from
http://www.realaudio.com/
then go to our site and listen to some tunes! (Sure, RealAudio is like
listening to AM radio, but here's your chance to try-before-you-buy.)
Try 'em out and let me know what you think (or if you find any snags!)
DTC:
Unfortunately, I didn't make it to this year's Birch Hill show, even
though i went to the two previous. It was a decision between being
squashed like a sardine and going to the Devil's game at the
Meadowlands (which i already had tickets to), and it was still a
close call......
-steve
**************************************************
DREG homepage:
http://www.hutman.com/dreg/
Available now:
* "DREGs of the Internet - Vol 1" - a dozen of the internet's
best independent progressive rock & metal bands...
* Facade's "fade" - original progressive rock...
* FREE Dream Theater Theme for Windows 95 Plus!
* FREE Bumper Stickers!
**************************************************
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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 19:09:13 +0000
From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Dream Theater SUCKS!
Message-ID: <199612190218.TAA18535@cyberhighway.net>
Heheh...
That's what I used to think...
My first exposure to Dream Theater was not a positive one to say the
least. My friend Matt had been sifting through the used bins at the
local Pawn shop one day and bought it. He'd heard the drummer was
pretty good in the latest Modern Drummer. He was hooked the first
time he'd heard it. He ended up showing me (I for one was in the
Kurt Cobain loving, stupid crap music, nonsensical lyrics, I hate
myself and want to die mode) Another Day. He goes, "Since you like
Journey, I really think you'll like this song." I made alot of fun
of it and of him. :P Eventually, after his rantings and braggings of
this "wonder" band, I decided to buy a cassette of Images & Words.
It took about 20 listens to start getting into it. I thought it was
too wussy in places and to showy in others. The only song that kept
me stuck on the album was Under a Glass Moon. After time I accepted
that they were a "decent" band and they got semi-regular play in my
still-then cassette player. One day, I saw an advertisement about
this "ytsejam" mailing list. I decised to sign up at school so I
could keep my drummer posted on new stuff. After time, you all made
it actually fun to listen to Dream Theater. I was able to hear them
in new ways, with everyone's own interpretations of the songs and
stuff. I ended up staying on the ytsejam for my own well-being
rather than Matt's. I don't think I'd still really find DT so
enthralling had it not been for the mailing list to help me open my
mind. Eventually, I graduated and had to lose my account and went
Theatrically Unstable for about 1-1/2 years. Thank goodness I'm
back. DT's still strong and better than ever so I hear. Thanks to
everyone that was on the list back then and to all of those now who
still keep the Dream alive. You all Rok Nadz!
Mr Chuckalupugus
Later!
KorgX3 NOT The "Other" Ibanez (anymore)
ibanez@cyberhighway.net
"Well, I try to write music that Indiana Jones would listen to."
--David Arkenstone
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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 96 18:21:46 PST
From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: mars NDTC!
Message-ID: <9612190221.AA26815@tengs1>
>Yeah the posts about "Mars Attacks" are **really** related to Dream Theater,
>aren't they?!
(invoking Ytseseniority)
I see. One has to be a Ytsecelebrity like Mike Port, er, Bahr to be
able to post a little blurb about a movie.
To tell the truth, half the sh*t here has little to do with Dream Theater.
What do I care about how hard finals are; I'm not in school any more?
What do I care about John Coltrane vs. Ponce deLeon vs. your momma, or
mostly one-sided flame wars between our very vocal Ytseblink and Barfu,
or how much Bitch Hell sucks, or Ytsecons that 800+ of us didn't attend,
or continuing public requests for tapes of the recent shows that the
band *explicitly* told us not to record, or that half the bandwidth of
an off-topic thread is often composed of complaints about that thread.
Wtf? I don't care, but perhaps someone does. No one is innocent.
(Damon mode *off*)
Zach
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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 96 18:31:28 PST
From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Ytse-recommendations
Message-ID: <9612190231.AA26953@tengs1>
Some CDs I picked up the other day...
Masquerade- Surface of Pain: cool stuff, but it sounds dated to me.
Could've been written ten years ago or more. Maybye it will grow on
me. Kind of reminds me of old Fates Warning in places. Is it more
correct to say that they sound like Iron Maiden? I'm only vaguely
familiar with IM's material, so someone correct me if I'm wrong.
The Gathering- Mandylion: Freakin' awesome. Powerful, often
atmospheric metal; only fast here and there. Somewhat reminiscent
of Threshold in places (I guess that stands to reason as they're both
from Germany, right?). Some of the instrumental sections are _very_
moving and the female vocalist's performance is *beautiful*, I think
I'm in love *sniff*. I forgot how much I liked female vocalists...
To Bay Area 'jammers: are there any places in Nor-Cal to find
bands like Symphony X and Angra? Is the CD Wherehouse in Newark
better than the one in Sunnyvale; I've never been to the former.
Zach
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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 21:57:48 -0500 (EST)
From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: KingsX and Galactic Cowboys (NDTC)
Message-ID: <v01520d01aede1897d636@[207.90.117.162]>
For those that don't know yet. There's a (fairly) new King's X newsgroup:
rec.music.artists.kings-x
Also, if anybody wants a (still-sealed) copy of the Galactic Cowboys
self-titled Geffen debut CD, let me know. A music store by me has about
4-5 copies left for $4.99. I already bought about 5 of them (great
presents!!).
If you're interested, I can snag a few. The cost to you would be $4.99 +
6% tax, plus $1.24 shipping = $6.53 (or thereabouts).
Later,
Dan
---+ +---
Dan Temmesfeld - dantemm@erinet.com / s1133627@cedarville.edu
"Home of the Galactic Cowboys Page"
http://www.cedarville.edu/student/s1133627/gcowboys.htm
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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 22:21:56 -0500 (EST)
From: Taco Belhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: various DT ramblings
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.961218222046.17426A-100000@umbc9.umbc.edu>
> I totally agree..and feel the same way about it.. I know for a fact
> .that if they get big.. well i can tell people that i listened to them
> before they were big.. and theyll believe me ..because of all the
> nagging and annoying that i did to them so they would give DT a listen..
> while now everyone sees me with a new cd and they always say " Dream
> Theater right" .. so if they get real big..at least i can be one of
> those "chosen ones" to be into dt before.. Were a few but proud bunch
> huh..?
Also, we'll all have the Mike Bahr boot CDs to prove it. Then people
will start asking "who's Mike Bahr?"
Brandon
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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 19:29:29 -0800
From: metal@mail.tij.cetys.mx (Juan Manuel Valverde Jaime)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Fates Warning
Message-ID: <19961219032928990.AAA644@serial2.tij.cetys.mx>
i just finished listening to "Inside Out" from Fates warning....its
good...i liked it, but i thought it was better....wish album is the
best??
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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 23:01:14 -0500
From: "Elv" <cyclone@securenet.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: James
Message-ID: <199612190404.UAA08415@pawn.ax.com>
>You know it's funny. I saw the I&W tour twice, and James could have been
>singing offstage for all I cared. He just didn't do it for me. Then came
>the Awake tour (which I only saw once.) I couldn't pay attention to
>anything BUT James. He was REALLY on it and just seemed to be more a part
>of the band.
I also saw I&W twice (both in Montreal), and James was outstanding!!!,
but I do have a live recording of another show where he doesn't sound too
good. I guess it depends on his mood. Keep in mind that it's not easy to
deliver those high notes night after night.
Also, a guy posted a couple months ago that DT would be recording at
Morin Heights. Any more news on this?
Elvis Batur
cyclone@securenet.net
elv@geocities.com
Music In Progress
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/4257
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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 23:23:48 -0500
From: Drummnstan@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Birch Hole notes
Message-ID: <961218181741_236108081@emout17.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 12/18/96 1:40:46 PM, you wrote:
<<
If my ears served me correctly, I could have sworn I heard a little
bit of Fortune in Lies at the very end of Metropolis. I was listening
to Live at the Marquee driving to work today, and I'm sure there was a
rift of the beginning of Fortune at the end of Metropolis during Sat's
encore. Any one else hear that????>>
you heard it, a very small snippit, just b4 one and damage inc.
stan
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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 20:48:20 -0800
From: metal@mail.tij.cetys.mx (Juan Manuel Valverde Jaime)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: How i heard DT First...and other things
Message-ID: <19961219044819782.AAA631@serial2.tij.cetys.mx>
The first thing....
I went to a political party for young people in a bar. There was this group
playing, an their drummer kicked ass...! i just couldnt belive he could palay
like that... he started playing some rush songs and sounded exactly alike...
i couldnt belive it, they were in this kinda clasic rock thing... i like it, but
im not a huge fan, i usually listened to Metallica, Slayer, Motley Crue, etc...
so we started talking to them, and he asked me (i played the drums at the time)
if what kinda music we listened and played, and we said, "heavy metal"
so then he said, "so you listen to Dream theater" and a friend of mine said
"yeah, yeah, thats it, thats what we listened to" (lie) well. A few days latter
my friend bought Images n Words, and he started to listen to it, he was all over
the place saying how great they were. The first time i listened to them, i said
well they play good, but i dont like the singer... But i really didnt listened
so one day, we started going to ensenada mexico, in my car, and another friend
put Metropolis in my cd player, and i said WHOA!!! so since that moment on
its without a doubt my favorite group, i changed playing drums, and now i play
the keyboard with my group, and we are now playing kinda comercial
progresive rock tyupe of music, that here in mexico we lack, so lets see
what happens!!
my favorite songs are, AcoS, Voices, Metropolis, 6:00, Learning to live....
album: Awake...
DREAM THEATER THE GREATEST....
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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 23:59:51 -0500
From: "Bruce D. Duesterhoeft" <bduesterhoeft@enter.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Magellan and Birch Hill
Message-ID: <32B8CBC7.3B65@enter.net>
here's a email I recieved from Trent Gardner regarding their upcoming
third album.
magellanca@earthlink.net wrote:
>
> Hello,
> I saw your kind words on the site and thought I'd let you know the
> latest.
> "TEST OF WILLS" is now complete.It should be available by the end of the
> 1st quarter '97.
> We have added a live drummer and an amazing one at that.His name is Brad
> Kaiser.He has tons of studio experience and has really added
> so much to the package.
> The songs for TOW are:
>
> Gameface
> A Social Marginal
> Walk Fast,Look Worried
> Test Of Wills
> Bully Pulpit
> Jacko
> Crucible
> Preaching The Converted
>
> Bonus trk:The Solano County Engineering Archives(vault1)
> Critics Carnival
>
> Keep up the good work.Happy Holidays!
>
> Trent Gardner
> Magellan
At Birch Hill, did any one here JP playing a little Christmas Carol
during The Mirror/Lie ( I think ).. all I remember was him flying around
and then he started playing some Christmas tune and my buddy slaps me on
the shoulder and says "Fucking Christmas, Awesome!"
just wondering
Bruce D.
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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 01:40:07 -0500
From: BLevy@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Rush Show (short) synopsis...
Message-ID: <961218204946_1389296630@emout07.mail.aol.com>
Hey All,
Since I was asked:
>First I'd like to thank Rick and Dave for providing me with
>Ytse-Entertainment lately. (While I'm thanking, let me also thank Bri
>Levy for making me feel less bad about missing Birch Hill, although I'm
>sorry you had a crappy day. What did you think of Rush?)
And also since I DID sort of leave off on a bad note, I will tell you all
that I had a great time at the Rush show!! We got there about an hour and a
half early, time enough for a few brews. Everyone was out in the parking lot
just hanging out. It seemed to me that this was a totally cool crowd.
Everyone seemed to be in a good mood and ready for a great show. I went
with My brother, his friends, and the same girl who had gotten sick the night
before (she was MUCH better by now). We had decent seats, about 3/4 of the
way back on the first level. The sound was OK, A lot better than the
Counterparts tour!! I'm not sure, but I think during one of the last songs
(Can't remember exactly which right now, but..) they totally LOST Alex's
Guitar. I mean he is jumping around, but I hear NOTHING but Geddy's base
line. All in all, A great evening that pulled the weekend out of the
shitter!!
I wanted to comment quickly about the earplug thing. The last few shows I
went to before this year, I ALWAYS ended up WISHING I HAD brought earplugs
(One time was on the Previous Rush tour). About halfway through the shows,
My ears start to crackle, like I have water in them. I was talking to
someone else who said the same thing. I DID finally bring earplugs to
Poughkipsie, and THOROUGHLY enjoyed the show. I even took them OUT for the
encore. I DID notice the same thing that someone else here had mentioned;
that some of the guitar lines got a little lost. I used the cheap-o foam
ones. Maybe I will invest in some decent ones for the next time. It was
funny, though, when I whipped out my...earplugs at the show, and one of the
guy's I was with also had a pair, and the thread about them here was
enlightening. Funny thing though, I did not them for BH, OR Rush. Either I
am going deaf, or the shows were not as loud. SCARY THOUGHT!!
Ok, enough from me for now, back to whatever other things be flying...
L8R,
Brian
In CD Player Eric Johnson--Ah Via Musicom
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