YTSEJAM Digest 2132
Today's Topics:
1) Re: TSO
by Sava Web <savaweb@winternet.com>
2) TSO Live on Radio !!!
by Sava Web <savaweb@winternet.com>
3) Re: JM's Bass Strings
by saveur <saveur@cais.cais.com>
4) argh
by Ryan P Skadberg <skadz@mindstorm.com>
5) Richie Sambora, No DTC
by progmetalgjb@s054.aone.net.au
6) RE: Ytsejam 2131 (TSO, long and no DTC - sorry)
by Matthew Travis <tool@prairienet.org>
7) Superior in France
by Bernd Basmer <basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de>
8) drugs
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
9) Season's Greetings!
by "Ollila Marko" <marko.ollila@metsaserla.fi>
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2131
by Matthew P Robbins <robbins@aero.und.edu>
11) Shit Sandwitches.
by Erik Stearns <stearns@bga.com>
12) Steve Vai / Mike Mangini
by Tobias Maier <mfs5toma@rshx01.rz.fht-esslingen.de>
13) Re: JM's Bass Strings
by Scott Holthausen <smh@ldg.com>
14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2131
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
15) We're just testing :)
by "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
16) help me!
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
17) Christmas vacation
by BILL HUSTON <HUSTON@IOMEGA.COM>
18) NDTC TSO
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
19) WDATU in exchange for X-Mas CD?
by cronos@worldaccess.nl (Richard Karsmakers)
20) 30 jams
by satu.reunanen@sci.fi (Satu Reunanen)
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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 23:13:41 -0600 (CST)
From: Sava Web <savaweb@winternet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: TSO
Message-ID: <199612200513.XAA17336@tundra.winternet.com>
> You know, I find this really odd. I don't think that Jon and Paul
> realized where they were headed when they wrote this album. It
Actually they knew exactly where they where headed!!! So did Atlantic!!
They just figured it would be hotter that "Tickle Me Elmo"!!!
> appears that everyone's searching for it. I know a couple of people
> at work who have been searching constatly for it and one of them has
> had it on backorder for the last 2 months. :P When I ordered mine,
I just went into Best Buy and bought 5 of them (@ $13 ea) for gifts to
coworkers!!! They had at least 15 left. Also try Borders, Block Buster,
Tower, and SamGoody. Harrass the hell out of the cleck until they help
you. They are conditioned to saw no we don't have it, just so they don't
have do any work.
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savaweb@winternet.com
Savatage Fan Web Pages Trans-Siberian Orchestra Web Pages
www.winternet.com/~savaweb www.winternet.com/~savaweb/tso
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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 23:20:29 -0600 (CST)
From: Sava Web <savaweb@winternet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com (Ytse Jam)
Subject: TSO Live on Radio !!!
Message-ID: <199612200520.XAA17398@tundra.winternet.com>
New York Area fans a treat is in store !!!!
WPLJ is putting on a benfit for the Children's Hospital. As a part of that
show TSO will be playing 2 songs, one of which will be
"Christmas Eve / Sarajevo 12-24". They are many other acts as well.
WPLJ (NYC) 6-10am Monday 12/23/96.
There may also be another show on a station in
Philly the next morning. But it iss a HUGE maybe right now!!
TSO is the most played Christmas record in the country! We're
top 40 sales and top 10 radio play in NY.
That is all the info I have. More later if I get it.
Nathan Bradley
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savaweb@winternet.com
Savatage Fan Web Pages Trans-Siberian Orchestra Web Pages
www.winternet.com/~savaweb www.winternet.com/~savaweb/tso
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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 01:07:08 -0500
From: saveur <saveur@cais.cais.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: JM's Bass Strings
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19961220010705.006b5064@cais.cais.com>
Andy asked:
>Hey! I've got a question for someone in the know: What type of strings
does JM
>use? I've played bass for about 6 years, pretty badly. My amp sucked so hard
from the Jan/Feb '94 aritcle in BASS Player mag <www.bassplayer.com>:
"He uses D'Addario strings, gauges .030-.130."
whether or not that's still the case... :)
>I suppose a brand would be important, but I'm more interested in whether he
>uses roundwounds or flatwounds. Stainless steel or nickel if the former? That
>sort of thing. I'm not experienced enough to know just by listening. Anybody
>happen to know?
i think they'd be stainless steel roundwounds.
and if anyone wants the article (it used to be on my webpage) just ask.
john
j . c h r i s t i a n s a v e u r @ c a i s . c o m
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s h t t p : / / w w w . c a i s . n e t / j j e n s /
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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 02:31:38 -0500
From: Ryan P Skadberg <skadz@mindstorm.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: argh
Message-ID: <199612200731.CAA00885@optical.mindstorm.com>
testing
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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 18:44:34 +0000
From: progmetalgjb@s054.aone.net.au
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Richie Sambora, No DTC
Message-ID: <199612200746.SAA06797@mail.mel.aone.net.au>
Hi Jammers,
Richie Sambora has been mentioned a fair bit on
some recent jams, and although I grew out of Bon Jovi a few years ago
I did really like Richie's solo album. I managed last year when I was
in Hong Kong to pick up a CD boot of Richie, recorded in 91 on his promo
tour, it is a great disc, it has solo material, BJ stuff, and some
stuff that Richie wrote for other artists.
If anyone would like a copy, e-mail me private
and I'm sure we can work out a trade.
Cheers
Graham
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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 01:57:18 -0600 (CST)
From: Matthew Travis <tool@prairienet.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: RE: Ytsejam 2131 (TSO, long and no DTC - sorry)
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9612200150.A6542-0100000@firefly.prairienet.org>
Well, this is my first post to the list in about 2 years (yes, that long)
so we'll see how this goes. First, I apologize for the lack of DT content.
I went to one of the local record stores 3 days ago to pick up a copy of
Mahler's 3rd Symphony and a copy of the Trans-Siberian Orchestra. At the
time, there were about a dozen CD's in the bin. I liked it so much, that
I decided to buy a copy for my mom. I went back the next afternoon and
they were all gone! TSO is apparently one of the most requested albums
of any nature, seasonal or not, right now. Funny thing is, people aren't
buying other Christmas albums in any great numbers, just TSO, which makes
me think.
First, Savatage is, in terms of album sales, probably the most popular
progressive metal/hard rock bands there has ever been. The band has a
good relationship with the record company. Atlantic/Time-Warner is
heavily promoting this album. A&E is giving it away as part of a
promotion. Now, I think, the reason TSO was made is, obviously, for
Christmas. The reason it's selling at all is because of Christmas.
BUT, the reason it's selling so well is not simply because it's
Christmas. If so, then why aren't other albums selling well (TSO
is so far outstripping them in sales it's unbelievable)? It is
selling well because of the above factors asn because it is an
extremely emotional, symphonic, and melodic album and because it
has been done by the members of Savatage and company. If it were just
another Christmas album, it would sell only as well as the other
Christmas albums. Instead, it's selling and being requested in a
way that is almost phenomenal.
For those who haven't heard it: buy it. Listen to it before you
criticize it. It is not just a "Christmas song". Here's who mad this
album:
Robert Kinkel - piano and keys
John Middleton - bass
Jon Oliva - piano, keys, and bass guitar
Paul O'Neill - rhythm guitar
Al Pitrelli - lead, rhythm, bass buitar
Jeff Plate - drums
cellos and french horns
6 solo vocalists and 8 backup vocalists and a children's choir
This album can be described perhaps best as Mozart meets metal.
It is very heavy at times and simple and melodic at times (such
as the acoustic guitar solo piece) and has just about the best
production quality I have ever heard on an album. It is perhaps
the most "heavy and progressive" album to come out in a long
time. While Dream Theater has a jazz-influenced progressive
sound, Savatage is very much classical/symphonic-oriented. This
does not mean that 'tage is only "slightly" progressive, as
someone on this list mentioned (prompting me to write this).
It only means that it's a different style. By any definition
of the ambiguously-defined term "progressive", Savatage, including
Oliva and O'Neill, *is* very, very progressive. The wide range of
instrumentation, musical styles, and musical techniques (the kind
you learn in advanced music theory classes) that they incorporate
into their music is more extensive than any contemporary heavy
band around today. And they even do time-sig changes occasionally.
Now I am done. I just hate it when I hear/read poeple belittle
Dream Theater or Savatage.
I'll write again in another 2 years :)
-tool
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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 09:48:17 +0100
From: Bernd Basmer <basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Superior in France
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19961220084817.006821b8@krzsun.med-rz.uni-sb.de>
Hi!!
This is for all jammers in France!!
Superior will play 3 gigs next March in France. Dates:
19.3. Paris, FNAC (Acoustic Session)
20.3. Paris, 90 min. Set
21.3. Lyon, 90 min. Set
We hope that our keyboarder's arm will be ok then. If not,
we'll have a substitute for him.
Sorry for NDTC.
Bye.
Bernd.
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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 04:34:11 -0800
From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: drugs
Message-ID: <199612201234.EAA15508@darkstar.ucsc.edu.>
>SPEAKING OF DRUGS...................
>to all you people complaining about the smell of pot at the dt shows:
>
>relaaaaax. so what if the brother next to you's smokin? unless he blows it in
>your face (to which i would then kill him), every one has their way of
>enjoying dt (or any other band, for that matter).
Yeah, and I guess if someone enjoys DT by farting all night long I should
just inhale and enjoy the aroma? Sorry, but pot (and any kind of smoke)
just plain smells disgusting and ruins MY enjoyment of the show. So, I
guess their enjoyment is worth more than my enjoyment? Their enjoyment is
worth increasing my risk of cancer? Their enjoyment is worth me possibly
getting a slight high and killing myself on the drive home? I've never done
any drugs, so my tolerance is very low. Sorry, but if they want to get
stoned, they can STAY HOME. End of story.
__ /\ __ +-------------------------------------+
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Date: 20 Dec 96 15:15:09 +0200
From: "Ollila Marko" <marko.ollila@metsaserla.fi>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Season's Greetings!
Message-ID: <9612201515.aa09@tppalv2.metsaserla.fi>
Hi all.
Time to set the flamethrowers aside for a few days.
Merry and peaceful Christmas for each and every jammer all around the
globe.
Tons of thanks to DT (some of you are lurking anyway) for giving us good
vibes throughout the year '96. You guys kick butt.
For the remaining days before X-mas, everyone be well. Santa's elves are
watching you... I just wonder how much do they get paid for that sort of
voyeurism? :P
_Mapex_
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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 08:06:41 -0600 (CST)
From: Matthew P Robbins <robbins@aero.und.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2131
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.90.961220080114.53186A-100000@heart.cas.und.nodak.edu>
Jammers,
Whow, relax already. It was only a little joke - humor you know.
Seriously, I didn't mean to offend anybody, I just had a piont to make.
So, I did, the same way most of you do. I guess as a new jammer I was
just surprised by the jam's content. From now on, I'll only post if it's
directly DT related. By the way, I'm still looking for info about
obtaining "Lords of Sound."
Thanks,
Matt
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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 08:22:31 -0800
From: Erik Stearns <stearns@bga.com>
To: Terah Stearns <TStearns@gw.ctg.com>, Lloyd Stearns <stearns@ix.netcom.com>,
Subject: Shit Sandwitches.
Message-ID: <32BABD47.1EB3@bga.com>
One thing I found out is that in life, everyone gets the same number of
shit sandwitches. It just depends from person to person, what kind of
bread and condoments you get with it.
-- An Open mind is the thriving of a society while the closed mind is the downfall of the same. For in Saroks's words, "The spear in the others's heart is the spear in your own. You are he."-- From the "Freedom" Speech to Larion's Congress
Erik Stearns Starblazer Enterprises Inc. (512)719-1252 Fax: (512) 719-1066 stearns@bga.com
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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 15:20:02 +0100 (MEZ) From: Tobias Maier <mfs5toma@rshx01.rz.fht-esslingen.de> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Steve Vai / Mike Mangini Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.961220150938.17381A-100000@rshx25.rz.fht-esslingen.de>
Brian Wherry talked about the Steve Vai show in Boston in the digest 2130: Are you speaking of the guitarist and keyboard player of the SV group? The name of the guitarist/keyboard player of the actual Steve Vai group is Mike KENEALLY, not Mangini. Mike played with FRANK ZAPPA on the "Broadway the hard way"-tour in '88.
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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 96 14:29:36 -0500 (EST) From: Scott Holthausen <smh@ldg.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: JM's Bass Strings Message-ID: <199612201442.GAA29475@pawn.ax.com>
Andrew Rittner querried:
>Hey! I've got a question for someone in the know: What type of strings does JM >use? I've played bass for about 6 years, pretty badly. My amp sucked so hard >that I couldn't get any kind of sound out of the instrument. I recently picked >up a nice Crate, which makes the instrument sound nice, and figured it >probably matters now which strings I use. > >I suppose a brand would be important, but I'm more interested in whether he >uses roundwounds or flatwounds. Stainless steel or nickel if the former? That >sort of thing. I'm not experienced enough to know just by listening. Anybody >happen to know? > >Andy
Andy, congrats on your new amp purchase! To sort of answer your question, John Myung uses D'addario bass strings. Given my experience with D'addario, I don't think they offer a stainless set, so by default, I would guess that he uses roundwound nickels. IMHO the best choice of bright, snappy tone vs. wear-and-tear on your frets. My personal choice is D'addario Slow Wound bass strings. One of the truest, most consistant strings I have found. Hope this helps.
Happy Holidays!
Scott Holthausen -smh@ldg.com
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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 08:40:59 -0600 From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2131 Message-ID: <2.2.32.19961220144059.00710910@enteract.com>
>Hey! I've got a question for someone in the know: What type of strings does JM >use?
I saw an ad for D'Addario that said (among others) that DT uses them. I'd bet any roundwound nickel strings would be good though. DR's are nice... so are GHS Progressives,
>Since you have such a special life off-line, why don't you take your >one-week-on-the-jam- >already-complaining ass back to it? If you had taken the time to give the >jam a chance
Fuckin' eh' relax, dude. You're a veteran jammer, he's a newbie. He'll figure out that just because HE doesn't like something doesn't mean it's gonna bend to his whim. I'm glad you didn't stoop to the level of flat out insulting him. That would be rude and uncalled for. Hmm.
Chris W. Ptacek Musician and Listener A.K.A Madsman, on IRC
"Can we search for inspiration -- those ideas that just come from 'nowhere'? They don't surface when you're tHiNKinG. They just come. What we CAN do is make fertile the ground on which idea seeds fall." - Michael Hedges
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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 09:48:21 -0500 From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: We're just testing :) Message-ID: <199612201448.JAA18338@wicked.stigmata.org>
Skadz
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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 10:56:50 -0500 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: help me! Message-ID: <32BAB742.2445@caribe.net>
can anyone please email me (privately) what the hell a "tickle me elmo" doll is?! im seeing this quite a lot on the web and on tv..but i still dont know whats to special about it..
-- Seize the day, I heard him say : "Life will not always be this way, Look around...hear the sounds... Cherish your life,while you're still around... " <Dream Theater: A Change Of Seasons> WoWoW! WoWoW! WoWoW! -Mike Portnoy mailto:calfaro@Caribe.net
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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 08:41:35 -0700 From: BILL HUSTON <HUSTON@IOMEGA.COM> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Christmas vacation Message-ID: <s2ba5931.057@IOMEGA.COM>
Merry Christmas, I am unsubbing for 2 weeks due to my vacation. I just didn't want to come back to lots of jams with stale news, at least it will be by the sixth of Jan.
Enjoy the holidays and the Bafu and Damon show.
Wilmo
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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 10:59:11 -0500 (EST) From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: NDTC TSO Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.961220105745.15552C-100000@bdmserver>
Ryan worte: >any pointers on where the hell to get this? Every record store I've >called either hasn't heard of it, or tells me that I'm the 100th caller of >the day looking for it and still don't have it. thanks
Try cdconnection.com
they have it but it might take a couple of weeks to get to you via the mail.
I should have it from them by this weekend (I hope...)
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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 96 16:52:48 GMT From: cronos@worldaccess.nl (Richard Karsmakers) To: ytsejam@ax.com (Ytsejam Mailing List) Subject: WDATU in exchange for X-Mas CD? Message-ID: <M.122096.175248.61@wxs5-10.worldaccess.nl>
Hi there...
I have Mike Bahr's "When Dream and Today Unite" and I'd very much like to trade that for one of those DT X-Mas CDs. Please email me privately. Sorry for the big .sig...but it's the first time I'm sending it to the 'Jam and the wishes in it go to all of you, DT fans!
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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 18:49:50 +0200 (EET) From: satu.reunanen@sci.fi (Satu Reunanen) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: 30 jams Message-ID: <199612201649.SAA24460@id4.sci.fi>
Seems like I counted those jams wrong yesterday that I went=20 through then. There were 30 of them instead of 20. No wonder it took me so long to go thru them !! Seems like I'm not the only one getting behind on them. Just too much of them ! To that guy who complained about the non-DT stuff in the jams, this probably isn=B4t your thing. I know it can be a pain in the butt sometimes to go through these, but I also enjoy reading=20 others stories in here 'cos they're like "family" if you know what I mean. I know I enjoy beeing among ppl who are in2 the same things as I am. And we should stick together. Besides, you don't have to check your mail every day..but then you'll end up just like me, having 40 messages,ha ! Btw, does ANYONE have any RUSH bootlegs ? I just wet my pants when I noticed I don't have any from them, so goddammit gimme some !!!!:):) I'm also looking for all kinds of things from Maraya(formerly Wicked Maraya, but u know that doncha) !) HAPPY HAPPY JOY JOY WHO'S GOIN' TO WORK ON SAT. TO THROW THOSE FCKN X-MAS POSTCARDS AN' THEN STRAIGHT TO BED JUST TO NOTICE IT'S SUNDAY AND I HAVE TO GO 2 WORK THE NEXT DAY JUST TO NOTICE ONE MORE LOUZY DAY THAT I GET HOME AT 6 PM TOTALLY WORN OFF.. DONCHA JUZT LUUUUUUV CHRISTHSSHHSSMASSHHHSSSYAMMIE!!!! x-mas greetings from your braintumour SATU AND like I haven't had enuff of waking up at 4 am..
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