YTSEJAM Digest 2138
Today's Topics:
1) Re: HMMMMMM.............
by "Robert Quezada" <rquezada@ix.netcom.com>
2) Re: Derek's comments to us after BH
by elliott@fxn.com (Elliott Kim)
3) Re: Derek's comments to us after BH
by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
4) Re: DT Covers
by vgl@u.arizona.edu (Vincent LuPone)
5) Re: Re: HMMMMMM.............
by vgl@u.arizona.edu (Vincent LuPone)
6) ---> Dream Theater Rare CD's For Sale- Majesty, etc. <--
by Tim <axe@usa.nai.net>
7) suckholes and such
by "Andrew Miller" <subtlerage@avalon.net>
8) Re: Metallica sold out
by vgl@u.arizona.edu (Vincent LuPone)
9) Metallica set lists
by Satan Claus <skooc@earthlink.net>
10) Fan Club CD
by Neil Elliott <101352.3261@compuserve.com>
11) I am not Marcel Berkhout, Happy Holidays
by Marcel Coenen <mcoenen@cobweb.nl>
12) clockwork.
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
13) Japanese Awake w/Eve mini disc 4 sale
by Kevin Villines <kvill@flash.net>
14) question
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
15) NDTC - A Quality Band
by Eddy M <edrock@connexus.apana.org.au>
16) NDTC - Tony Iommi / Jethro Tull
by Eddy M <edrock@connexus.apana.org.au>
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Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 00:30:15 -0500
From: "Robert Quezada" <rquezada@ix.netcom.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: HMMMMMM.............
Message-ID: <199612240533.VAA10936@dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com>
> a weird thought just came to mind as i was reading old jams about DT
asking
> mike bahr not to put out the stuff from the ronn scotts gig. Now there
is
> said to be alot of new material that they are going to record, even quite
> possible enough to make a double CD. So this brings us to a weird point
as i
> would doubt that any non DT fans would buy a double CD but there is a way
> aound that. I seem to remember hearing that the band has about 100-115
> minutes of new music with one of the songs possibly being Metropolis part
II
> (which was stated to be about 1/2 hour long. Now subtract the 30 minutes
> from the 100 and you get 70 minutes, close to the max that can be put on
a
> CD. so this would leave Metropolis part II all by its lonesome, and
being
Nice idea, but I need as much new DT as possible ASAP. If they have a 30
minute song, I have to hear it. :)
They almost maxed out a CD with Awake and with Metallica's load lasting
78:59, there's probably a mastering plant that can get near 90. Or maybe
they can get a song or two on a movie soundtrack or something.
rq
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Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 00:40:27 -0500
From: elliott@fxn.com (Elliott Kim)
To: The Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Derek's comments to us after BH
Message-ID: <19961224054025273.AAA172@ras12.fxn.com>
>To me, this isn't an unreasonable attitude. During the show I noticed
>some differences between his keyboard parts and KevMo's, but nothing I
>was really offended by.... Not that I'm any sort of keyboards expert,
>but for me the show wasn't imperiled or ruined by Derek's modifications.
>At least DT is letting their newcomer into the mix; Jason Newsted wasn't
>so lucky. :)
>
I personally expect different interpretations of parts when a new member
steps into a band! It's IMHO, boring if a new member just plays the parts
note-for-note.
I don't doubt that the rest of the band told him, "do what you want with
those sections," as a measure of faith in him as a full member of the band,
and not just some hired hand. While I wasn't at the recent shows, Derek's
been inserting his personality into the keyboard parts whenever I had the
pleasure to hear his interpretations of KevMo's parts - like that one synth
lead sound of his, which I think is quite unique and identifiable. It's
almost like a cross between a classic analog synth, Van Halen's "Brown
Sound," Holdsworth's "liquid" guitar, and a saxophone.
-- Elliott Kim --------------------------------------------------------
--e l l i o t t @ f x n . c o m ----- E - M a n @ d r e a m t . o r g--
--h t t p : / / w w w . f x n . c o m / u s e r s / e / e l l i o t t--
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Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 23:16:41 +0000
From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Derek's comments to us after BH
Message-ID: <199612240626.XAA01573@cyberhighway.net>
> >To me, this isn't an unreasonable attitude. During the show I noticed
> >some differences between his keyboard parts and KevMo's, but nothing I
> >was really offended by.... Not that I'm any sort of keyboards expert,
> >but for me the show wasn't imperiled or ruined by Derek's modifications.
> >At least DT is letting their newcomer into the mix; Jason Newsted wasn't
> >so lucky. :)
> >
> I personally expect different interpretations of parts when a new member
> steps into a band! It's IMHO, boring if a new member just plays the parts
> note-for-note.
Hell, you can't blame Derek for doing it at all either. We all have
different styled of playing. Derek's is jazzier than KevMo's
classical style. I'd get really bored playing someone else's crap
all night, so I'd rewrite it to fit my style, too. When I learn DT
songs on my keyboard, I don't try to learn them note for note, I just
try to make them sound as close to the original, yet allow them to
fit my style of playing (which is more of a fluid classical style
like Kev's anyway, more like Yanni's, I'm rambling...) I really
can't wait to hear what Derek does on this new album. This is where
you'll all get to see how good the guy REALLY is. (Some of you
already have, you *insert poitive/negative collective noun here*)
Laterz!
KorgX3 NOT The "Other" Ibanez (anymore)
ibanez@cyberhighway.net
"Well, I try to write music that Indiana Jones would listen to."
--David Arkenstone
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Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 23:59:18 -0700
From: vgl@u.arizona.edu (Vincent LuPone)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: DT Covers
Message-ID: <199612240659.XAA58764@mustique.u.arizona.edu>
Syrinx posted:
> i'd much rather see dt to "dyers eve" than _fade to black_
C'mon guys! Any song by Metallica would sound great if it was
covered by Dream Theater, but isn't this a little bit greedy? No offense,
please. I mean after all, they just did "Damage Inc." (One of the
heaviest/fastest/best Metallica songs of all time) on the fan club CD and it
thoroughly kicked ass. Do we really need another? Should we even ask, or
should we just wait and see what DT cooks up for us in the future? They've
been very good to us recently, and we shouldn't get greedy with 'em (my
opinion).
Don't get me wrong, though, I would love to hear DT do any Metallica
song because in my opinion they're all great songs, but if they never do, I
won't be upset. Dream Theater has given us some of the greatest music of
our time and they will probably continue to do so for many years to come.
I'm just thankful for that.
On a side note, if you get a chance to see Gary Hoey any time soon,
go do it. I just got back from his show here in Phoenix and he's simply
amazing live.
Later all,
Peace be with you and God bless,
~Vince
p.s. Merry Christmas, happy Hanuckah (sp??), and a happy new year to all!!
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Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 00:10:58 -0700
From: vgl@u.arizona.edu (Vincent LuPone)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Re: HMMMMMM.............
Message-ID: <199612240710.AAA47690@kitts.u.arizona.edu>
>They almost maxed out a CD with Awake and with Metallica's load lasting
>78:59, there's probably a mastering plant that can get near 90. Or maybe
>they can get a song or two on a movie soundtrack or something.
>
There are CDs that go over the 80 minute (approx.) limit, but those
CDs cost a lot of money. I remember an interview w/ Kirk Hammett of
Metallica somewhere where he said that they tried to put one more song on
Load or extend a song or something, but it turned out to be about 82 minutes
or so total. That would've made them use the different type of CDs, but
that those CDs cost about $100 a piece. He said that he know's Metallica
fans are loyal, but making them pay $100 for an extra 3 minutes of metal was
kinda rediculous. No shit, Kirk.
Do you really want to see DT on a movie soundtrack?
Later,
Peace be with you and God bless,
~Vince
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Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 02:14:35 -0500
From: Tim <axe@usa.nai.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: ---> Dream Theater Rare CD's For Sale- Majesty, etc. <--
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19961224021430.006e738c@nai.net>
<fontfamily><param>Times New Roman</param><bigger><bigger>Hello 'Jammers,
and Merry Xmas!!
I am once again offering the following CD's for sale.
1. DREAM THEATER - as Majesty: The Official 1986 Demo [1 CD]
2. DREAM THEATER - InstruMENTAL!: The 1987 Recordings [1 CD]
3. DREAM THEATER - Instrumental 2: Our Music, Your Brain [ 1 CD]
4. DREAM THEATER - No Sleep Since Brooklyn/ Instrumental 3 [ 1 CD]
5. DREAM THEATER - AWAKE in Japan 1995 [1 VHS VIDEO]
-also-
6. RISING POWER - Power to the People! [1 CD]
7. QUEENSRYCHE - Global Theater - Middletown, NY [1 VHS VIDEO]
The quality on all of these discs is excellent, as I'm sure many 'jammers
can attest to.
Also, the Instrumental 2 CD does include the original demo version of "A
Change of
Seasons" as well as other rarities...No sleep/Instrumental 3 contains one
of the only
recorded live Majesty shows from 1986.....and of course , the Majesty CD
is a must
for any DT fan.....If you're looking for an amusing item check out the
Rising Power CD....
Its *definately* not DT..more like early 80's cheese rock!! :)
The "Awake in Japan" Video is the pay-per-view concert from 1995...it
includes the full
show and pre-show interviews and awards presentation....
For complete set-lists and info on the cd's please visit my web site at:
Or if you'd just like the prices and ordering information, please email
me at
the following address: axe@ct1.nai.net with the subject of
"send-cd-info".
It is not an autoresponder, but I'll get the info to you within 24
hours..........
I hope to be able to ship within 48 hours of receiving a 'money order'
order, and
within 72 for checks....
Any questions, please email me at axe@ct1.nai.net THANKS!!!
Happy Holidays..
Tim
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Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 02:03:24 +0000
From: "Andrew Miller" <subtlerage@avalon.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: suckholes and such
Message-ID: <199612240756.HAA08331@avalon.net>
On 23 Dec 96 at 20:39, ytsejam@ax.com spewed forth the following words:
> what a great word suckhole, never heard that one b4.
suckhole, (C)1996, AndrewFuckingMiller.
(it's an irc thang) ;-)
> Metallica shouldn't be discussed on the ytsejam. They are a poor example of
> what music has become today. I am not impressed what so ever with anything
> that Metallica has put out therefore, because Dream Theater rules, I think
> you should discuss Dream Theater on the ytsejam. Later...j
i agree about the DT statement. but just to warn you... metallica
was brought up in this fashion a few months back and it turned this
list into an ugly war zone. it got so bad that skadz had to step in
and request everyone to settle down... just be careful about those
comments. i'd hate to see that shit start up again.
Andrew Miller - keyboardist/vocalist - subtlerage
http://www.avalon.net/~subtlerage - subtlerage@avalon.net
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Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 01:33:45 -0700
From: vgl@u.arizona.edu (Vincent LuPone)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Metallica sold out
Message-ID: <199612240833.BAA76296@mustique.u.arizona.edu>
>Metallica shouldn't be discussed on the ytsejam. They are a poor example of
>what music has become today. I am not impressed what so ever with anything
>that Metallica has put out therefore, because Dream Theater rules, I think
>you should discuss Dream Theater on the ytsejam. Later...j
>
Not again. Please, NOT AGAIN!!!!!!!
Isn't this whole "Metallica sold out, Metallica sold out" bullshit
just a little bit old? It's like beating a dead horse. If you don't like
newer Metallica material, fine. Don't listen to it, but respect the fact
that some others around you (especially here on a music forum like this) do
like their stuff. There are some bands covered here on the 'jam that I
could care less about, but I keep my big mouth shut about what I think of
them because I don't want to offend someone else who might think the world
of a band I can't stand. It's a respect thing.
Dream Theater's music is similar to Metallica's in many regards, and
they even list them as a major influence if I'm not mistaken. So, why
should we not talk about them?
While this is a Dream Theater mailing list, I am quite hapy that
it's not strictly regulated by Skadz. He seems like a very nice guy and he
lets us do basically what we want to on this list. If you, by chance don't
like that, may I recommend the "Voices" mailing list?
I think Lars Ulrich said it best when he was asked if Metallica sold
out,
"Yeah, we 'sell-out' every arena we play."
Later all,
Peace be with you and God bless,
~Vince
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Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 01:09:32 -0800 (PST)
From: Satan Claus <skooc@earthlink.net>
To: Ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Metallica set lists
Message-ID: <199612240909.BAA05456@hungary.it.earthlink.net>
hell-o-ho-ho!
If anyone here has gone to ANY of the Metallica shows (except Fresno) could
you please email the set list to me? I wanna get as many of them as possible
to see if the set lists change at all.
Merry Christmas!
Scott
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There's a demon in my belly, there's a gremlin in my brain.
There's someone up the chimneyhole, and Satan is his name!
Spinal Tap - Christmas with the Devil
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There's a demon in my belly and a gremlin in my brain.
There's someone up the chimneyhole, and Satan is his name!
Spinal Tap - Christmas With The Devil
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Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 04:52:43 -0500
From: Neil Elliott <101352.3261@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Fan Club CD
Message-ID: <199612240453_MC2-DD9-2C79@compuserve.com>
I have been reading with some interest the ramblings of members of the fan
club, in regards to the xmas cd.:
>looks like that you have missed out. IMO if your only reason for
>joining is to get the CD you are doing it for the wrong reason, and I
>hope you don't get one. This is not a flame, just an opinion.
And also some of the comments from non-members:
>Obviously you did not read my post *carefully* because I said that I had
heard that
>joining the club wasn't worth the money. A lot of ppl around here said
that
>there wasn't enough substance to the club, and that it always said it
would
>do stuff it never did. I hope that it IS worth it however because DT
rocks.
I am assuming here that this is refering to the 'old' fan club set-up that
I took over from in April last year? Which I have to agree was in an
absolutely disgraceful state. I hope that people who are members have seen
a vast improvement in things over the last 8 months, and that they are
getting their stuff through? It has taken time to sort this shit out and
set things straight, but we are getting there, so hold tight.
Finally, if you are not signed up yet (why not?), you can still join and
have a very good chance of picking up the xmas cd, as there are some
left!!!!! First come first served!
Anyway, seasons greetings and best wishes to everyone (FC members and non
members alike), and here's to a big '97 for the band.
Cheers,
Neil Elliott - DTIFC
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Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 12:01:35 +0200
From: Marcel Coenen <mcoenen@cobweb.nl>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: I am not Marcel Berkhout, Happy Holidays
Message-ID: <199612241001.MAA11390@spider01.cobweb.nl>
Hi Jammers,
At first I want to clear up that I am NOT Marcel Berkhout, I am Marcel
COENEN, I am just a guitarplayer, i do trade but I don't sell CD's or
whatever, yes, our own, haha.
I want to wish evey jammer a happy christmas and a very heavy Newyear, and
let's hope that the new DT comes out very soon.
Take Care and don't drink and eat too much !!
Marcel Coenen
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Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 07:29:51 -0500 (EST)
From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
To: Yitz-say-jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: clockwork.
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.961224010707.23077A-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
just got back from seein' clockwork at the middle east here in
philly. they only played 3 tunes, but they kicked alot of ass. the
crowd was (suprisingly) into the music from the start. they even
applauded the solos!
brent allman and chris ingles were there (you know, from shadow
gallery?) and they both give their hellos to the jam. according to
brendt, the drums for the new album are done. when he comes back to the
area (he's going down to dallas for the new year) the rest of the album
will be put into place. both guys were down to earth and _very_ cool to
hang with. brendt also had some fun memories of the working man sessions
(which were highly interesting!@)
m.
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Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 07:49:43 -0600
From: Kevin Villines <kvill@flash.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Japanese Awake w/Eve mini disc 4 sale
Message-ID: <32BFDF77.72DC@flash.net>
I've got a copy of the Japanese version of Awake w/the eve mini disc
that I'm willing to part with. I'll take $35 ppd. E-Mail me at
kvill@flash.net
Thanks, Kevin.
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Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 09:13:14 -0500 (EST)
From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: question
Message-ID: <199612241415.GAA04333@pawn.ax.com>
I just got a "When Dream and Day Unite" CD at a place called
Tunes here in Hoboken. The spine on the CD is in an Asian
language, and inside, there is a piece of paper with the lyrics
and all in the same language.....
I was just wondering....is this Korean? It didn't seem to be
Japanese or Chinese, but I could be absolutely out of my mind.
Happy Holidays.....
- Al
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Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 01:23:33 -0800 From: Eddy M <edrock@connexus.apana.org.au> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: NDTC - A Quality Band Message-ID: <32C0F295.42F3@connexus.apana.org.au>
Merry Ytsemas (well here anyway) (-: Anybody else here into The Tea Party, the greatest Canadian band to ever tour Australia ?
Rush, Triumph and Santers have never made it.
Alhambra (bra eheheheh)
Eddy M Melbourne, Oz
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Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 01:30:25 -0800 From: Eddy M <edrock@connexus.apana.org.au> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: NDTC - Tony Iommi / Jethro Tull Message-ID: <32C0F431.6433@connexus.apana.org.au>
Mr I is on the video but the band played to a backing tape. Omly Anderson'svocals are live. Yep, even back in '68 it was happening.
Eddy "Beer Pig" M
Melbourne, Australia
This weekend I was watching a tape of *The Rolling Stones Rock And Roll Circus* that was recently shown (for the first time in about 18 years) on VH-1. Anyway, one of the groups that appeared in this 1968 docuvideo was a very early *Jethro Tull*. IA had a good mass of red hair/beard. The song they played was *Song for Jeffrey* which was on their first album. The most interesting item, though, was the guitarist. Martin Barre, the long-time JT axe-man didn't appear with the band until the second album; a guitarist named Mick Abrams (or similar I believe) was on album one. The guitarist that played with JT on the video was left-handed, but I didn't pay much attention until the credits, when I saw that the guitarist was none other than *Tony Iommi*, the heart & soul of *Black Sabbath*. I went back and re-viewed that portion, and sure 'nuf it was him. It was hard to tell since he was wearing a wide-brimmed hat with his head tilted forward slightly; but yes it was him, sporting his trademark black mustache even way back then. The guitar part was a bit different then you might be used to hearing TI play: *Song for Jeffrey* is mostly slide guitar.
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