YTSEJAM digest 2141

From: ytsejam@ax.com
Date: Fri Dec 27 1996 - 05:57:14 EST

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                                YTSEJAM Digest 2141

    Today's Topics:

      1) Re: Iron Maiden
     by Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net>
      2) now, i ain't no scott, but......
     by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
      3)
     by Randall Braun <RBraun@adnc.ameridata.com>
      4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2140
     by Scott Luttringer <95fa467@dvc.edu>
      5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2140
     by curth@execpc.com
      6) Oh my... I fucked up. re: Marcel
     by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
      7) DT album...
     by metal@mail.tij.cetys.mx (Juan Manuel Valverde Jaime)
      8) When Dream And Day Unite
     by jsj@ix.netcom.com (J. E. James)
      9) the producer most likely is....
     by "Beavis (Wes Foll)" <wfoll@america.net>
     10) CD's
     by vanzin@dks.com.br
     11) Stuff
     by gsrockr@en.com (George Sumschidt)
     12) The perfect movie soundtrack for DT
     by Big.Swifty@twav.com
     13) Re: the producer most likely is....
     by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
     14) Mr. Fleck Strikes Again/Mercyful Fate
     by robert.henderson@ICDC.COM
     15) DT vs. Metallica?
     by akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch

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    Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 10:04:51 PST
    From: Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: Iron Maiden
    Message-ID: <199612261710.RAA190423@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net>

    ** Reply to note from ytsejam@ax.com 12/26/96 02:56am -0800

    Sign of the Cross IS loosely based on Sean Conery's Name of
    The Rose. If you don't have best of the beast yet, get it now.

    Mark
    my smartt.com account is now useless. Please email at either msmeets@ibm.net or
    msmeets@zeek.murlin.com --
    -Check out the new Serenity's End Chat room zeek.murlin.com oprt 8888
    -Check out my web site http://www.smartt.com/~jsmeets/stranger/INDEX.HTM
    @------>--->---
    Some people lose their faith because Heaven shows them to little. Others lose their
    faith because Heaven shows them too much. - The Prophecy -- I don't believe in
    coincidence
    @------>--->---
    I guide you through the sea of nightmares called existance and lead you to the
    sanctuary where a haven exists only to those who have lost hope and this is called
    earth but to those who have hope, stand alone outside this haven guarding it alone.
    -M.S.
    @------>--->---
    I stand at the promised land with Fire In my Eyes!
    W.A.S.P. - The Crimson Idol

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    Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 12:27:18 -0500 (EST)
    From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
    To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: now, i ain't no scott, but......
    Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.961226122208.17375A-100000@qix.rs.itd.umich.edu>

    > DTC: Since there's a large number of "Scott"s on the list, how many
    > actually have their middle name "Scott" and first name Ronnie?

    Mr. Hansen was asking about the above.....I don't qulify, but the editor
    in chief at the Michigan Daily does.......Ronald Scott Glassberg goes by
    the name Ronnie, and uses the login name "rscott" (i'm of the opinion i've
    mentioned this before)

    good guy, too, although i don't think he knows a thing about dream
    theater.....
                    partha

    p.s. since i missed christmas on the jam, lemme just throw in an early
    "merry new year!"

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    Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 11:46:50 -0600
    From: Randall Braun <RBraun@adnc.ameridata.com>
    To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=GE%l=AMERIDATA/ADNC/000D868B@msb01ncadctmsge.ameridata.com>

    >>>>>F/2139....Trans-Siberian Orchestra-This cd rocks! Best Christmas cd I
    have ever heard. Just listening to the music and it feels like Dead Winter
    Dead Pt 2. Chris Caferty jams on this. Great concept album.......
    I just got my copy of TSO on Christmas Eve, and it is Great. However, Chris
    Caferty didn't play the guitars on this; Al Pitrelli, the same lead as on
    DWD, did most of the lead (&some rhythm) on this one.

    BTW, do these guys BELIEVE what's being said on TSO. There's a lot of heavy
    faith/beliefs proclaimed in the TSO lyrics, even the ones that 'tage
    producer/album concept/lyricist Paul O'Neill wrote.

    Also: I second/endorse the description of Enchant on 2140. It's good/worth
    the $$$.

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    Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 10:08:04 -0800 (PST)
    From: Scott Luttringer <95fa467@dvc.edu>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2140
    Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.961226100201.9133A-100000@viking.dvc.edu>

    >
    > DTC: Since there's a large number of "Scott"s on the list, how many actually
    > have their middle name "Scott" and first name Ronnie?
    >

    I don't know if this counts, but my middle name is Ronald. Well, sorry
    about the waste of space. Hope everyone had a great Christmas.

    Scott

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    Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 13:27:13 -0600 (CST)
    From: curth@execpc.com
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2140
    Message-ID: <199612261927.NAA05211@mail.execpc.com>

    >>Ok this made me remember a question that Ive had for a long time and
    always forget to post.. why dont they use the guys who produced awake? I
    mean they all seemed happy with the sound they got (the clear drums,cool
    guitars,audible bass,keys were there althou a little low) many bands use
    the same producer over and over..why not use the guys from awake<<

    Good question - I dunno either, but I thought the same thing a couple times.
    In regards to the keys being low in the mix, I think that's pretty much due to
    Kevin separating himself from the band. Anyway, back to the original
    question, I still dunno - anyone with connections want to ask them?

    >>Is that producer the same one that did Awake? That was a good album. They
    did
    a very good job recording it. Where is the new album being recorded, anyway?<<

    Kevin Gilbert didn't produce Awake - it was John Purdell and Duane Barron
    <sp?> As to where the new album will be recorded, I think a lot of it has to
    do with who is gonna produce it. QR's new one is being produced by Peter
    Collins and since he lives in Nashville now, they are doing half the album in
    Nashville (not that the new one will have a country twang to it) and the other
    half in Seattle (if my ytsememory serves me correctly).

    yet another YtseScott sed:
    >>I've got a couple of questions regarding the Ronnie Scott's gig
    of last year. The first is, has anyone else noticed that the fan club CD
    seemed to have been remastered from the original performance? I have a
    tape of the entire concert, and though the quality is not as good, I
    noticed that some of the vocals seemed to be redone on the fanclub cd.<<

    Yep - and if you listen to ACOS, some retouching was done on those 4 tracks as
    well - which is not uncommon with live recordings - especially since these
    were songs only played once (it's not like they have 5 dozen performances to
    pick from).

      
    >>The second question is: What is going on right before Red Hill Mining
    Town? They started it up, and then James says Oh no.. I don't think
    so... We just learned about this gig four hours ago..." something to
    that effect, like he might be talking to someone in the audience. Then
    they stop, and then start it over. I was confused by this, so I was
    wondering if anyone who was actually there or knows what happened could
    help me out. Of course, this is not on the fanclub version, only on the
    tape of the concert. Ig anyone could help me out I would really
    appreciate it.. Thanks.<<

    I dunno if it was James or Derek or someone else who goofed up, but apparently
    someone did. Since they were recording and the goof was too big, James
    decided to stop the song and start over again, which is where the Fan Club CD
    version starts. As to the comment about learning the song 4 hours ago, I
    think he was probably joking, but who knows, maybe he wasn't. Considering that
    they learned these songs mostly during soundchecks 'n' such, I still find it
    amazing at how well they did. Here's one fan that hopes they'll do another
    one sometime in the near future (with Natural Science in the list, of course!)

    And while I'm thinking of covers, I'd love to see them do a version of Yes's
    Heart of the Sunrise - I know this was part of the medley they did with Steve
    Howe at Ronnie Scott's, but I love to see them do the whole song! And also
    Circles from Joe Satriani - that is such an intense song - talk about going
    from one extreme to the other (and then back again)!

    Scott Hansen
    curth@execpc.com

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    Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 12:51:58 -0700 (MST)
    From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Oh my... I fucked up. re: Marcel
    Message-ID: <199612261951.MAA12101@goodguy.goodnet.com>

            I should have mentioned this to the Jam. I finally got all the
    recent payments through to Marcel, but I had to go through postal hell
    this last time to do it, as my original parcel to him was returned
    undeliverable. I would say that those of you waiting for Carpe Diem discs
    would have gotten them 2 or 3 weeks sooner if the misstep hadn't occurred.
    So it isn't 100% Marcel's fault... part of this was my screwing up the
    original packet. I had put on the customs slip that there was only written
    correspondence in the packet, but they freaked when they saw the big
    cashier's check in it, and sent it back. This time, I was very specific. I
    listed the contents as "written material plus one huge-ass bank check" and
    apparently that was sufficient.

            I also want to apologize to many of my international customers:
    until recently I was unaware that your local customs were taxing you for
    the discs I delivered. I now list the value very low ($5 or $10 per disc)
    in hopes that you will receive them and not have to pay any extra money.
    Please let me know if you run into problems. So far, the most difficulty I
    have is sending packets to the Netherlands, Belgium, and Luxembourg,
    possibly because of the known boot CD trade there. They are often delayed
    a long time or taxed. I am doing everything I can think of to make this
    better... any suggestions anyone may have will be welcomed.

            Take care all, and please have a happy and prosperous 1997!!

    - Mike Bahr - durnik@goodnet.com - ASU Sun Devils 11-0, #2, soon #1!!!

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    Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 13:57:01 -0800
    From: metal@mail.tij.cetys.mx (Juan Manuel Valverde Jaime)
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: DT album...
    Message-ID: <19961226215700627.AAA259@serial2.tij.cetys.mx>

    What do you mean its comming out until summer!!

    goddamn!!! ive been waiting for february so anxiously....

    well...if someone can tell me....

    they could use the awake producer...it sounded good...

    well...

    thanx bye

    Juan Manuel...Tijuana B.C.

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    Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 14:36:18 -0800
    From: jsj@ix.netcom.com (J. E. James)
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: When Dream And Day Unite
    Message-ID: <199612262236.OAA22153@dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com>

    I FOUND WDADU AT BLOCKBUSTER MUSIC TODAY!! YAY!

    I'm listening to it right now, The Killing Hand is on right now, and it
    kicks ass. So did Ytse Jam!

    I like Charlie Dominici alot better than I expected but still not as
    much as James LaBrie.

    Justin the High Cleric of Lickalick

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    Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 17:57:43 -0500 (EST)
    From: "Beavis (Wes Foll)" <wfoll@america.net>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: the producer most likely is....
    Message-ID: <199612262257.RAA08513@web1.america.net>

    >they haven't found the producer they want yet. I guess if there's a silver
    >lining to our ytse-starvation (lack of new DT), it seems like they'll be
    >continuing to write new material until they find
    >Mr. Right-Producer.
    >
    >Scott Hansen

    Hey, well, according to Mr. LaBrie after the Birch Hill show, Paul
    Northfield (who was there that night as well) is their prime candidate to do
    the album. That's what he told me at least...well, see yous guys/gals!
    (<--VERY PC of me eh!?) hehehe
    Beavis (Wes Foll) http://www.america.net/~wfoll/beavis.htm
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    "What is, is.
    What is not, is not.
    What is is, and is not, is is, and is not."

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    Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 17:34:10 -0300
    From: vanzin@dks.com.br
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: CD's
    Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.12.26.-15.34.10.2579404677.493664@dks.com.br>

            Hey there,

            What a delightful surprise I had this afternoon, when I came
    back from lunch there was a package from Mike Bahr... Cool, now I have
    my copies of "When dream and Today unite" and "Scenes from a Memory"!!1
    The CD's are awesome... Can't wait to see Tapestry...

    []'s
                   Marcelo Vanzin
                 Sao Paulo - Brazil
          vanzin@dks.com.br vanzin@dreamt.org
     http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6308/index.html
    MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

      DarkStar Multimidia BBs Telnet: dks.com.br Fone +55 011 870-1888
      Internet, Gameconection, Games, ShareWare

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    Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 20:24:50 -0500 (EST)
    From: gsrockr@en.com (George Sumschidt)
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Stuff
    Message-ID: <199612270124.UAA27451@en.com>

    I went shopping. I didn't get Alice In Chains: Unplugged from
    Santa, so I went and found it for myself. While I was browsing
    the used bins, I found Echolyn!!! What an excellent cd!!! If
    you don't have it, try and find it. I was looking since I first
    heard about it here, that was over a year ago.
    I found Awake for $7.99 there also. What a bummer. Such
    an excellent piece of work in the used bin.... I looked for any
    of the singles with no luck. The fool behind the counter didn't
    even know what DT was. <dweeb> I didn't find any Superior,
    but I didn't think I would either.
    Syrinx, I know you are reading this, has anything been
    released by Finneus Gauge on cd? E-mail me at:
    gsrocker@en.com. Thanks.
    Later all. The new year is coming. Let's see it safely!
    _________________________________________

    "I'm out of debt for the first time in my adult life."
    "'What are you going to do now?'"
    "Buy a house." -G.S. 11/4/96

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    Date: 26 Dec 1996 22:44:40 CDT
    From: Big.Swifty@twav.com
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: The perfect movie soundtrack for DT
    Message-ID: <199612270449.UAA15075@pawn.ax.com>

    Some of you have been debating whether DT should appear on a movie
    soundtrack. I've got a bright idea! You've all heard of "Rattle and Hum", "The
    Song Remains the Same", and "Free Bird, the Movie" (?)(yes, it's true.),
    right? Well, I think the time is right for the nationwide release of
    "Home For The Holidays - The Birch Hill Tapes." I'd pay to see it...

    Mark Peters
    big.swifty@twav.com

    BTW - Ronnie Scott (founder of the famous club in London) died this
    week. Rest in peace, Ronnie.

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    Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 01:03:23 -0500
    From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: the producer most likely is....
    Message-ID: <32C366AB.DA@caribe.net>

    Beavis (Wes Foll) wrote:
    >
     
    > Hey, well, according to Mr. LaBrie after the Birch Hill show, Paul
    > Northfield (who was there that night as well) is their prime candidate to do
    > the album. That's what he told me at least...well, see yous guys/gals!
     
     Does anyone know what other records has he produced? or what bands has
    he worked with?? Oh and also didnt labrie say anything about why not
    taking John Purdell and Duane Baron(?) ....like that would be the
    perfect DT-thing for me : Images And Words-like songs with Awake-like
    mastering..

                  Seize the day, I heard him say :
                 "Life will not always be this way,
                   Look around...hear the sounds...
             Cherish your life,while you're still around... "
                  <Dream Theater: A Change Of Seasons>
                  WoWoW! WoWoW! WoWoW! -Mike Portnoy
                      mailto:calfaro@Caribe.net
                    mailto:ytsekurt@geocities.com

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    Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 02:42:42 -0500
    From: robert.henderson@ICDC.COM
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Mr. Fleck Strikes Again/Mercyful Fate
    Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.12.27.2.42.42.2510543059.446581@bbs.icdc.com>

    Did anyone else happen to catch Bela Fleck and the Flecktones on Conan?
    If any of you diehards (there must be a handful of you out there) want a
    copy, I taped it. They ripped it up (in a good way), BTW.

    Mooooving on...

    Of the following albums (the ones available through BMG), which is the
    best *starter* for Mercyful Fate:

    "In The Shadows"
    "Into The Unknown"
    "Time"
    "Images & Words"
    "2112"
    "Dark Side of the Moon"
    "IV (ZOSO)"

    Thanks. Off to slumberland...

    Brian Henderson, Cyberburlap
    robert.henderson@icdc.com

    "You...get...sleep" -- N. Peart, "Something For Nothing"

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    Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 10:47:21 +0100
    From: akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: DT vs. Metallica?
    Message-ID: <v03007800aee948e168cb@[128.178.99.38]>

    Dan wrote:

    >I heard that DT did Damage Inc on the fan club cd. DId this happen to
    >have vocals to it as well or is it just an instrumental version??? My

    Barney Greenway (Napalm Death) does the vocals.

    >brother is a huge Mettalica fan....he thinks Dream Theater sucks because
    >they have a "faggot singer" Just because James LaBrie's voice is high and
    >he actually has a huge range doesn't mean he is a faggot. James
    >Hetfield's voice actually sucks im my opinion. Deam Theater could blow
    >Metallica off the stage at any time...also DT could play any Metallica
    >tune with ease...but I would bet a million dollars that Metallica could
    >never play ANY Dt tune if their life depended on it.....reply to me about
    >this!!!!! Later.

    OK, hesitated to reply to this privately, but I'd be interested to know of
    other opinions on this:

    What's the point here? How can you compare two bands completely different?
    Metallica has always favoured power over precision (how many gigs of
    Metallica do you know of not containing any major fuck-up?) whereas DT has
    to keep the priority on the precision side. I was actually surprised how
    well DT covered Damage, very precise, but lacking the raw power that only
    Metallica can deliver on this song. Somewhat surgical, too clean. Barney
    did not do the mistake of imitating Hetfield's voice as many a vocalist (I
    deleted "singer") would have tried to do. He sang it his way, and though
    many people don't like it, it was the best way of doing it.
    So I don't see any point here arguing who kicks who's ass off the stage. DT
    and Met are so different I doubt they'll ever get to share a stage, anyway.

    Last but not least, and a tad late:

    MERRY PROG-MAS EVERYONE!!!!!

    .............................................
    D A V E K I N G
    b a s s & v o x
    M T 2 0
    p r o g m e t a l

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