YTSEJAM Digest 2141
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Iron Maiden
by Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net>
2) now, i ain't no scott, but......
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
3)
by Randall Braun <RBraun@adnc.ameridata.com>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2140
by Scott Luttringer <95fa467@dvc.edu>
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2140
by curth@execpc.com
6) Oh my... I fucked up. re: Marcel
by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
7) DT album...
by metal@mail.tij.cetys.mx (Juan Manuel Valverde Jaime)
8) When Dream And Day Unite
by jsj@ix.netcom.com (J. E. James)
9) the producer most likely is....
by "Beavis (Wes Foll)" <wfoll@america.net>
10) CD's
by vanzin@dks.com.br
11) Stuff
by gsrockr@en.com (George Sumschidt)
12) The perfect movie soundtrack for DT
by Big.Swifty@twav.com
13) Re: the producer most likely is....
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
14) Mr. Fleck Strikes Again/Mercyful Fate
by robert.henderson@ICDC.COM
15) DT vs. Metallica?
by akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
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Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 10:04:51 PST
From: Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Iron Maiden
Message-ID: <199612261710.RAA190423@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net>
** Reply to note from ytsejam@ax.com 12/26/96 02:56am -0800
Sign of the Cross IS loosely based on Sean Conery's Name of
The Rose. If you don't have best of the beast yet, get it now.
Mark
my smartt.com account is now useless. Please email at either msmeets@ibm.net or
msmeets@zeek.murlin.com --
-Check out the new Serenity's End Chat room zeek.murlin.com oprt 8888
-Check out my web site http://www.smartt.com/~jsmeets/stranger/INDEX.HTM
@------>--->---
Some people lose their faith because Heaven shows them to little. Others lose their
faith because Heaven shows them too much. - The Prophecy -- I don't believe in
coincidence
@------>--->---
I guide you through the sea of nightmares called existance and lead you to the
sanctuary where a haven exists only to those who have lost hope and this is called
earth but to those who have hope, stand alone outside this haven guarding it alone.
-M.S.
@------>--->---
I stand at the promised land with Fire In my Eyes!
W.A.S.P. - The Crimson Idol
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Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 12:27:18 -0500 (EST)
From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: now, i ain't no scott, but......
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.961226122208.17375A-100000@qix.rs.itd.umich.edu>
> DTC: Since there's a large number of "Scott"s on the list, how many
> actually have their middle name "Scott" and first name Ronnie?
Mr. Hansen was asking about the above.....I don't qulify, but the editor
in chief at the Michigan Daily does.......Ronald Scott Glassberg goes by
the name Ronnie, and uses the login name "rscott" (i'm of the opinion i've
mentioned this before)
good guy, too, although i don't think he knows a thing about dream
theater.....
partha
p.s. since i missed christmas on the jam, lemme just throw in an early
"merry new year!"
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Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 11:46:50 -0600
From: Randall Braun <RBraun@adnc.ameridata.com>
To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=GE%l=AMERIDATA/ADNC/000D868B@msb01ncadctmsge.ameridata.com>
>>>>>F/2139....Trans-Siberian Orchestra-This cd rocks! Best Christmas cd I
have ever heard. Just listening to the music and it feels like Dead Winter
Dead Pt 2. Chris Caferty jams on this. Great concept album.......
I just got my copy of TSO on Christmas Eve, and it is Great. However, Chris
Caferty didn't play the guitars on this; Al Pitrelli, the same lead as on
DWD, did most of the lead (&some rhythm) on this one.
BTW, do these guys BELIEVE what's being said on TSO. There's a lot of heavy
faith/beliefs proclaimed in the TSO lyrics, even the ones that 'tage
producer/album concept/lyricist Paul O'Neill wrote.
Also: I second/endorse the description of Enchant on 2140. It's good/worth
the $$$.
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Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 10:08:04 -0800 (PST)
From: Scott Luttringer <95fa467@dvc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2140
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.961226100201.9133A-100000@viking.dvc.edu>
>
> DTC: Since there's a large number of "Scott"s on the list, how many actually
> have their middle name "Scott" and first name Ronnie?
>
I don't know if this counts, but my middle name is Ronald. Well, sorry
about the waste of space. Hope everyone had a great Christmas.
Scott
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Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 13:27:13 -0600 (CST)
From: curth@execpc.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2140
Message-ID: <199612261927.NAA05211@mail.execpc.com>
>>Ok this made me remember a question that Ive had for a long time and
always forget to post.. why dont they use the guys who produced awake? I
mean they all seemed happy with the sound they got (the clear drums,cool
guitars,audible bass,keys were there althou a little low) many bands use
the same producer over and over..why not use the guys from awake<<
Good question - I dunno either, but I thought the same thing a couple times.
In regards to the keys being low in the mix, I think that's pretty much due to
Kevin separating himself from the band. Anyway, back to the original
question, I still dunno - anyone with connections want to ask them?
>>Is that producer the same one that did Awake? That was a good album. They
did
a very good job recording it. Where is the new album being recorded, anyway?<<
Kevin Gilbert didn't produce Awake - it was John Purdell and Duane Barron
<sp?> As to where the new album will be recorded, I think a lot of it has to
do with who is gonna produce it. QR's new one is being produced by Peter
Collins and since he lives in Nashville now, they are doing half the album in
Nashville (not that the new one will have a country twang to it) and the other
half in Seattle (if my ytsememory serves me correctly).
yet another YtseScott sed:
>>I've got a couple of questions regarding the Ronnie Scott's gig
of last year. The first is, has anyone else noticed that the fan club CD
seemed to have been remastered from the original performance? I have a
tape of the entire concert, and though the quality is not as good, I
noticed that some of the vocals seemed to be redone on the fanclub cd.<<
Yep - and if you listen to ACOS, some retouching was done on those 4 tracks as
well - which is not uncommon with live recordings - especially since these
were songs only played once (it's not like they have 5 dozen performances to
pick from).
>>The second question is: What is going on right before Red Hill Mining
Town? They started it up, and then James says Oh no.. I don't think
so... We just learned about this gig four hours ago..." something to
that effect, like he might be talking to someone in the audience. Then
they stop, and then start it over. I was confused by this, so I was
wondering if anyone who was actually there or knows what happened could
help me out. Of course, this is not on the fanclub version, only on the
tape of the concert. Ig anyone could help me out I would really
appreciate it.. Thanks.<<
I dunno if it was James or Derek or someone else who goofed up, but apparently
someone did. Since they were recording and the goof was too big, James
decided to stop the song and start over again, which is where the Fan Club CD
version starts. As to the comment about learning the song 4 hours ago, I
think he was probably joking, but who knows, maybe he wasn't. Considering that
they learned these songs mostly during soundchecks 'n' such, I still find it
amazing at how well they did. Here's one fan that hopes they'll do another
one sometime in the near future (with Natural Science in the list, of course!)
And while I'm thinking of covers, I'd love to see them do a version of Yes's
Heart of the Sunrise - I know this was part of the medley they did with Steve
Howe at Ronnie Scott's, but I love to see them do the whole song! And also
Circles from Joe Satriani - that is such an intense song - talk about going
from one extreme to the other (and then back again)!
Scott Hansen
curth@execpc.com
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Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 12:51:58 -0700 (MST)
From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Oh my... I fucked up. re: Marcel
Message-ID: <199612261951.MAA12101@goodguy.goodnet.com>
I should have mentioned this to the Jam. I finally got all the
recent payments through to Marcel, but I had to go through postal hell
this last time to do it, as my original parcel to him was returned
undeliverable. I would say that those of you waiting for Carpe Diem discs
would have gotten them 2 or 3 weeks sooner if the misstep hadn't occurred.
So it isn't 100% Marcel's fault... part of this was my screwing up the
original packet. I had put on the customs slip that there was only written
correspondence in the packet, but they freaked when they saw the big
cashier's check in it, and sent it back. This time, I was very specific. I
listed the contents as "written material plus one huge-ass bank check" and
apparently that was sufficient.
I also want to apologize to many of my international customers:
until recently I was unaware that your local customs were taxing you for
the discs I delivered. I now list the value very low ($5 or $10 per disc)
in hopes that you will receive them and not have to pay any extra money.
Please let me know if you run into problems. So far, the most difficulty I
have is sending packets to the Netherlands, Belgium, and Luxembourg,
possibly because of the known boot CD trade there. They are often delayed
a long time or taxed. I am doing everything I can think of to make this
better... any suggestions anyone may have will be welcomed.
Take care all, and please have a happy and prosperous 1997!!
- Mike Bahr - durnik@goodnet.com - ASU Sun Devils 11-0, #2, soon #1!!!
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Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 13:57:01 -0800
From: metal@mail.tij.cetys.mx (Juan Manuel Valverde Jaime)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT album...
Message-ID: <19961226215700627.AAA259@serial2.tij.cetys.mx>
What do you mean its comming out until summer!!
goddamn!!! ive been waiting for february so anxiously....
well...if someone can tell me....
they could use the awake producer...it sounded good...
well...
thanx bye
Juan Manuel...Tijuana B.C.
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Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 14:36:18 -0800
From: jsj@ix.netcom.com (J. E. James)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: When Dream And Day Unite
Message-ID: <199612262236.OAA22153@dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com>
I FOUND WDADU AT BLOCKBUSTER MUSIC TODAY!! YAY!
I'm listening to it right now, The Killing Hand is on right now, and it
kicks ass. So did Ytse Jam!
I like Charlie Dominici alot better than I expected but still not as
much as James LaBrie.
Justin the High Cleric of Lickalick
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Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 17:57:43 -0500 (EST)
From: "Beavis (Wes Foll)" <wfoll@america.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: the producer most likely is....
Message-ID: <199612262257.RAA08513@web1.america.net>
>they haven't found the producer they want yet. I guess if there's a silver
>lining to our ytse-starvation (lack of new DT), it seems like they'll be
>continuing to write new material until they find
>Mr. Right-Producer.
>
>Scott Hansen
Hey, well, according to Mr. LaBrie after the Birch Hill show, Paul
Northfield (who was there that night as well) is their prime candidate to do
the album. That's what he told me at least...well, see yous guys/gals!
(<--VERY PC of me eh!?) hehehe
Beavis (Wes Foll) http://www.america.net/~wfoll/beavis.htm
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Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 17:34:10 -0300
From: vanzin@dks.com.br
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: CD's
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.12.26.-15.34.10.2579404677.493664@dks.com.br>
Hey there,
What a delightful surprise I had this afternoon, when I came
back from lunch there was a package from Mike Bahr... Cool, now I have
my copies of "When dream and Today unite" and "Scenes from a Memory"!!1
The CD's are awesome... Can't wait to see Tapestry...
[]'s
Marcelo Vanzin
Sao Paulo - Brazil
vanzin@dks.com.br vanzin@dreamt.org
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6308/index.html
MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
DarkStar Multimidia BBs Telnet: dks.com.br Fone +55 011 870-1888
Internet, Gameconection, Games, ShareWare
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Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 20:24:50 -0500 (EST)
From: gsrockr@en.com (George Sumschidt)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Stuff
Message-ID: <199612270124.UAA27451@en.com>
I went shopping. I didn't get Alice In Chains: Unplugged from
Santa, so I went and found it for myself. While I was browsing
the used bins, I found Echolyn!!! What an excellent cd!!! If
you don't have it, try and find it. I was looking since I first
heard about it here, that was over a year ago.
I found Awake for $7.99 there also. What a bummer. Such
an excellent piece of work in the used bin.... I looked for any
of the singles with no luck. The fool behind the counter didn't
even know what DT was. <dweeb> I didn't find any Superior,
but I didn't think I would either.
Syrinx, I know you are reading this, has anything been
released by Finneus Gauge on cd? E-mail me at:
gsrocker@en.com. Thanks.
Later all. The new year is coming. Let's see it safely!
_________________________________________
"I'm out of debt for the first time in my adult life."
"'What are you going to do now?'"
"Buy a house." -G.S. 11/4/96
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Date: 26 Dec 1996 22:44:40 CDT
From: Big.Swifty@twav.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: The perfect movie soundtrack for DT
Message-ID: <199612270449.UAA15075@pawn.ax.com>
Some of you have been debating whether DT should appear on a movie
soundtrack. I've got a bright idea! You've all heard of "Rattle and Hum", "The
Song Remains the Same", and "Free Bird, the Movie" (?)(yes, it's true.),
right? Well, I think the time is right for the nationwide release of
"Home For The Holidays - The Birch Hill Tapes." I'd pay to see it...
Mark Peters
big.swifty@twav.com
BTW - Ronnie Scott (founder of the famous club in London) died this
week. Rest in peace, Ronnie.
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Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 01:03:23 -0500
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: the producer most likely is....
Message-ID: <32C366AB.DA@caribe.net>
Beavis (Wes Foll) wrote:
>
> Hey, well, according to Mr. LaBrie after the Birch Hill show, Paul
> Northfield (who was there that night as well) is their prime candidate to do
> the album. That's what he told me at least...well, see yous guys/gals!
Does anyone know what other records has he produced? or what bands has
he worked with?? Oh and also didnt labrie say anything about why not
taking John Purdell and Duane Baron(?) ....like that would be the
perfect DT-thing for me : Images And Words-like songs with Awake-like
mastering..
Seize the day, I heard him say :
"Life will not always be this way,
Look around...hear the sounds...
Cherish your life,while you're still around... "
<Dream Theater: A Change Of Seasons>
WoWoW! WoWoW! WoWoW! -Mike Portnoy
mailto:calfaro@Caribe.net
mailto:ytsekurt@geocities.com
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Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 02:42:42 -0500
From: robert.henderson@ICDC.COM
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mr. Fleck Strikes Again/Mercyful Fate
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.12.27.2.42.42.2510543059.446581@bbs.icdc.com>
Did anyone else happen to catch Bela Fleck and the Flecktones on Conan?
If any of you diehards (there must be a handful of you out there) want a
copy, I taped it. They ripped it up (in a good way), BTW.
Mooooving on...
Of the following albums (the ones available through BMG), which is the
best *starter* for Mercyful Fate:
"In The Shadows"
"Into The Unknown"
"Time"
"Images & Words"
"2112"
"Dark Side of the Moon"
"IV (ZOSO)"
Thanks. Off to slumberland...
Brian Henderson, Cyberburlap
robert.henderson@icdc.com
"You...get...sleep" -- N. Peart, "Something For Nothing"
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Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 10:47:21 +0100
From: akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT vs. Metallica?
Message-ID: <v03007800aee948e168cb@[128.178.99.38]>
Dan wrote:
>I heard that DT did Damage Inc on the fan club cd. DId this happen to
>have vocals to it as well or is it just an instrumental version??? My
Barney Greenway (Napalm Death) does the vocals.
>brother is a huge Mettalica fan....he thinks Dream Theater sucks because
>they have a "faggot singer" Just because James LaBrie's voice is high and
>he actually has a huge range doesn't mean he is a faggot. James
>Hetfield's voice actually sucks im my opinion. Deam Theater could blow
>Metallica off the stage at any time...also DT could play any Metallica
>tune with ease...but I would bet a million dollars that Metallica could
>never play ANY Dt tune if their life depended on it.....reply to me about
>this!!!!! Later.
OK, hesitated to reply to this privately, but I'd be interested to know of
other opinions on this:
What's the point here? How can you compare two bands completely different?
Metallica has always favoured power over precision (how many gigs of
Metallica do you know of not containing any major fuck-up?) whereas DT has
to keep the priority on the precision side. I was actually surprised how
well DT covered Damage, very precise, but lacking the raw power that only
Metallica can deliver on this song. Somewhat surgical, too clean. Barney
did not do the mistake of imitating Hetfield's voice as many a vocalist (I
deleted "singer") would have tried to do. He sang it his way, and though
many people don't like it, it was the best way of doing it.
So I don't see any point here arguing who kicks who's ass off the stage. DT
and Met are so different I doubt they'll ever get to share a stage, anyway.
Last but not least, and a tad late:
MERRY PROG-MAS EVERYONE!!!!!
.............................................
D A V E K I N G
b a s s & v o x
M T 2 0
p r o g m e t a l
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