YTSEJAM Digest 2144
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Poor man's Rush (?);producer;assorted crap (well, maybe not, *assorted* as such)
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
2) Online Music Stores
by al587725@campus.cegs.itesm.mx (Marcelo Martinelli)
3) DT a poor man's Rush?
by William Keyes <wkeyes@eis.net.au>
4) ripzero's u2 question
by WildKoba@aol.com
5) JP Guitar Question
by Richard Warren <rwarren@memphisonline.com>
6) Progressive- who really knows?
by Scott Daugherty <srdaugz2@homer.louisville.edu>
7) Prog? Isn't prog that country in the czech republic?
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
8) Re: Progressive- who really knows?
by Drummnstan@aol.com
9) Paul Northfield?
by Jeremy Kube <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
10) Re: JP Guitar Question
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
11) Re: DT a poor man's Rush?
by metal@mail.tij.cetys.mx (Juan Manuel Valverde Jaime)
12) YtseJam Chat on Unix
by Dan <drussell@thunder.ocis.temple.edu>
13) DT Content
by Dan <drussell@thunder.ocis.temple.edu>
14) Re: Progressive- who really knows?
by Vincent LuPone <vgl@u.arizona.edu>
15) NDTC--Klank
by rbeall@fdldotnet.com (grim88)
16) An EOY post. :)
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
17) Question (DTC!!!)
by James LaPortnoy <skooc@earthlink.net>
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Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 08:17:48 -0500
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Poor man's Rush (?);producer;assorted crap (well, maybe not, *assorted* as such)
Message-ID: <32C66F7C.6637@caribe.net>
Younis Youssef Hilal wrote:
like I said,
> > way more intense than DT and if you think DT are amazing
> > musicians, these guys blow them out of the water. The
> > arrangments are amazing as well.
Whoa whoa whoa ..hehe be careful..thats a strong comment!! You shouldve
put IMO before..those comments are a little harsh ..especially said on a
DT list... :) Take care
Seize the day, I heard him say :
"Life will not always be this way,
Look around...hear the sounds...
Cherish your life,while you're still around... "
<Dream Theater: A Change Of Seasons>
WoWoW! WoWoW! WoWoW! -Mike Portnoy
mailto:calfaro@Caribe.net
mailto:ytsekurt@geocities.com
http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro
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Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 10:09:45 -0600
From: al587725@campus.cegs.itesm.mx (Marcelo Martinelli)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Online Music Stores
Message-ID: <9612291609.AA10329@campus.cegs.itesm.mx>
Hey I was just wondering if anybody has ever ordered any CD's from
"Tunnel Records". I am thinking of buying some CD's from them but I don't
know if they are trustworthy or not. I'm also interested in knowing also
about "The CD Cellar" and "That CD Place" , if anybody has dealt with them
please let me know. Has anyone heard about a DT boot called "Drifting Away"
that was recorded in Milwaukee '93 ? and also another boot called "Stranger
than Fiction". Anyways I would appreciate it if anybody can help me out.
Marcelo Martinelli
Monterrey , Mexico
-It dawned on me one day that I should not be making sandwiches for a living-
---John Petrucci---
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Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 02:30:21 +1000
From: William Keyes <wkeyes@eis.net.au>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT a poor man's Rush?
Message-ID: <199612291630.CAA09247@tinny.eis.net.au>
In reference to Raf's post and Phil's response:
>So he's like "Ohhh no NOT Dream Theater. We call them the poor man's Rush..."
> I'm like WHAT? WHY? and who's this WE. He goes, "all of us on the Rush
>list...""...and, they are trying so hard to be like Rush and are too fancy"
DT a "poor man's Rush"?....NO WAY! Let me say that this guy is definitely
speaking for himself. I also receive the NMS(Rush)digest and this is not what
we/they think of DT. Just like you stated Phil, the Rush fans on this list
are openminded and do enjoy alot of different types of music/bands, DT is
certainly one of them!
I've been a Rush fan since '77 and only discovered DT two years ago. But DT
excited me right away...on the merits of their OWN musicality. Fresh and
exciting. Maybe there are some similarities in certain aspects of their
music but hey, we all get our various influences from somewhere, even a
great band like Rush.(Mmmmm, weren't they once considered "a poor man's Led
Zeppelin?")
BTW, hi fellow jammers, I'm just a lurker comin' in from the cold!
This is one fine list full of friendly posters and great info.
Will
Brisbane, Australia
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Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 12:09:02 -0500
From: WildKoba@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: ripzero's u2 question
Message-ID: <961229120901_943531597@emout19.mail.aol.com>
for some enlightening u2 music, check out "boy". it's real raw, but it's got
a lot of the classics.
of course, check "war" as you acknowledged, and "unforgettable fire"- you can
see hints of the so-called "commercial" u2- some keys, more polished
recording, but it also has some amazing songs, including "bad", which dt
themselves covered.
hope that helps.
ytsegoon
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david kobayashi
wildkoba@aol.com
bd91014@binghamton.edu
the new york rangers and the new york knicks: both teams contain what we call
"goons" or "thugs". both teams are doing VERY WELL right now. is it a MERE
COINCIDENCE that i am a diehard fan of both these teams?
hmmmmm...............
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Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 12:45:45 -0600
From: Richard Warren <rwarren@memphisonline.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: JP Guitar Question
Message-ID: <199612291845.MAA09811@mail1.socomm.net>
I have a question concerning the green, red, yellow, blue and black guitar
that JP uses on the Live in Tokyo video. First some background info. A guy
that works in a local music store (Memphis, TN) claims to own this exact
guitar. He claims that the guitar was a prize in a magazine (Guitar Player,
Guitar World or something) giveaway. The person that won the guitar came
into the store and sold it to the guy for $300. He says the guitar is
autographed by all of the members in the band. He says it is a prototype
USA custom with no serial number.
My question is this. Is his story true or even possible? Maybe someone
with connections to the band could find out. If it is true I might make him
an offer.
Thanks,
Richard Warren
rwarren@memphisonline.com
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Date: Fri, 29 Dec 1995 14:01:05 -0500
From: Scott Daugherty <srdaugz2@homer.louisville.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Progressive- who really knows?
Message-ID: <30E43AF1.2C81@homer.louisville.edu>
Greetings to all-
Okay, I've wanted to bring this up for a while, and since we're kinda
slow these days, this looks like the perfect time. Those who've been on
this list for a while know that we've had our fair share of "What is the
definition of Prog?" discussions, and we've even had "Is _____ Prog?"
discussions. So tell me what you think about this: I saw a poster one
day at my school advertising a local band which was playing nearby. The
sign read as follows:
PAGE 13 - Progressive Rock
Imagine Lou Reed, John Lennon, Janis Joplin, Andy Partridge, Sting,
John Belushi, Elvis Costello, the Cleavis Sisters, and Shecky Greene
all rolled into one person. Now imagine that person riding a bicycle.
Now my first impression was a profound "huh?" Sure I like some of these
artists, but never have I heard them mentioned in the same sentence as
Progressive Rock. I'm curious to see what you guys think about this, if
anything.
Here's to a prosperous New Year,
Scott Daugherty
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Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 14:28:12 -0500 (EST)
From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
To: Yitz-say-jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Prog? Isn't prog that country in the czech republic?
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.961229142639.3765A-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
with the discussion on "what is progressive music," i thought
this little ditty might do some help. it appeared a year ago on
PAPERLATE, the Genesis internet mailing list.
(c) 1996 Happy Fun Ball, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
To: paperlate@ansto.gov.au
Subject: Re: Prog???
>How exactly do you define progressive rock?
I loved this reply which appeared in the Letters column in the September
1993 issue of Keyboard magazine:
To be classified as prog rock, music must adhere to the following criteria:
1. Songs can be no less than seven minutes in length, except in the case of
the prog rock/techno crossover, in which case five minutes is acceptable.
2. Anything in 4/4 is immediately disqualified.
3. The composition must contain at least three of the following
instruments: Mellotron, Hammond B-3, Moog Modular (Minimoog acceptable) or
any synth made before 1984 and weighing more than 100 lbs. Instruments must
also go out of tune after every third song.
4. Performers must be able to play in several time signatures at once, with
no one part recognizable as a singable melody.
5. A minimum of five key changes is required for each five minutes of music.
7. Try to find a beat. If you can't, it's prog rock.
8. If the composition wanders aimlessly, it's definitely either prog rock
or Dave Stewart on painkillers.
9. If anyone under the age of 30 likes it, it is not prog rock.
10. And finally, if you can dance to it, it isn't prog rock.
Steven W. Wagenheim
Roselle, New Jersey
This response is from from the Letters column in the October 1993 issue of
Keyboard:
If a band meets five or more of the following criteria, they're prog:
1. At least one member uses Greek mythology or Zen koans as lyrics - at any
rate, nobody knows what the hell the singer is talking about.
2. A typical song lasts longer than your average shower.
3. On many songs, each musician plays in an entirely different meter and/or
key.
5. The keyboardist has more synthesizers than fingers.
6. Bill Bruford was a drummer at some point.
7. Their album covers depict strange animals crawling over weird geological
formations into which blue-pigmented children have carved stairways.
8. They can sell out an arena and still have more lights on stage than
people in the audience.
9. Rolling Stone and Phil Collins would both rather burn alive than hear
this group's latest album.
Terrell Miller
Norcross, Georgia
And I can't forget Keith Emerson's reply: "It is music that does progress.
It takes an idea and develops it, rather than just repeat it ... Progressive
music takes a riff, turns it inside out, plays it upside down [and] the
other way around, and explores its potential."
Dave Stewart also wrote a reply to this question, but I haven't been able to
unearth it yet.
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Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 15:25:19 -0500
From: Drummnstan@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Progressive- who really knows?
Message-ID: <961229152519_36159543@emout01.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 12/29/96 2:08:08 PM, you wrote:
<< Imagine Lou Reed, John Lennon, Janis Joplin, Andy Partridge, Sting,
John Belushi, Elvis Costello, the Cleavis Sisters, and Shecky Greene
all rolled into one person. Now imagine that person riding a bicycle.>>
that would have to be one really funky looking bicycle, thats a really wierd
mix of people................
some ive never heard of, but i wouldnt mind hearing a combonation of all of
their styles.
laterz,
stan
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Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 16:55:22 -0500 (EST)
From: Jeremy Kube <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Paul Northfield?
Message-ID: <199612292155.QAA24156@hammurabi.nh.ultra.net>
I was just curious as to who Paul Northfield is? I have been out of
touch for a while and just wondering. Is he the producer they have chosen
for the new album? Can somebody tell me more about him? Who else has he
produced? Jay.
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Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 18:29:48 -0500
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: JP Guitar Question
Message-ID: <32C6FEEC.3EAA@caribe.net>
Richard Warren wrote:
>
> I have a question concerning the green, red, yellow, blue and black guitar
> that JP uses on the Live in Tokyo video. First some background info. A guy
> that works in a local music store (Memphis, TN) claims to own this exact
> guitar. He claims that the guitar was a prize in a magazine (Guitar Player,
> Guitar World or something) giveaway. The person that won the guitar came
> into the store and sold it to the guy for $300. He says the guitar is
> autographed by all of the members in the band. He says it is a prototype
> USA custom with no serial number.
>
> My question is this. Is his story true or even possible? Maybe someone
> with connections to the band could find out. If it is true I might make him
> an offer.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Richard Warren
> rwarren@memphisonline.com
>
I dont know..but it sounds unlikely..come on 300$! SIgned!! the guitar
alone is worth more than 1000! ..well maybe the winner was a
butthole...the thing that looks doubtful is that "USA custom" .. the
guitar is an Ibanez Rg-somethign..
--
Seize the day, I heard him say :
"Life will not always be this way,
Look around...hear the sounds...
Cherish your life,while you're still around... "
<Dream Theater: A Change Of Seasons>
WoWoW! WoWoW! WoWoW! -Mike Portnoy
mailto:calfaro@Caribe.net
mailto:ytsekurt@geocities.com
http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro
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Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 15:02:15 -0800
From: metal@mail.tij.cetys.mx (Juan Manuel Valverde Jaime)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: DT a poor man's Rush?
Message-ID: <19961229230214556.AAA318@serial2.tij.cetys.mx>
At 08:33 AM 12/29/96 -0800, you wrote:
>In reference to Raf's post and Phil's response:
>>So he's like "Ohhh no NOT Dream Theater. We call them the poor man's Rush..."
>> I'm like WHAT? WHY? and who's this WE. He goes, "all of us on the Rush
>>list...""...and, they are trying so hard to be like Rush and are too fancy"
>
>DT a "poor man's Rush"?....NO WAY! Let me say that this guy is definitely
>speaking for himself. I also receive the NMS(Rush)digest and this is not what
>we/they think of DT. Just like you stated Phil, the Rush fans on this list
>are openminded and do enjoy alot of different types of music/bands, DT is
>certainly one of them!
>
>I've been a Rush fan since '77 and only discovered DT two years ago. But DT
>excited me right away...on the merits of their OWN musicality. Fresh and
>exciting. Maybe there are some similarities in certain aspects of their
>music but hey, we all get our various influences from somewhere, even a
>great band like Rush.(Mmmmm, weren't they once considered "a poor man's Led
>Zeppelin?")
>
>BTW, hi fellow jammers, I'm just a lurker comin' in from the cold!
>This is one fine list full of friendly posters and great info.
>
>Will
>Brisbane, Australia
>
>
>
>
DREAM THEATER is a great group, but still there are similarities to Yes and to
Rush, but who cares??, dont metallica, pantera, megadeth, slayer, anthrax etc...
share same riffs?? some of them sound alike...and really, i havent heard a
riff on dream theater that sounds very similar to any of rush, i havent heard
all the songs from rush, but i know they say they sound the same because of the
time signature they each play, but thats because they are playing kinda the same
kind of music: progressive rock...
Juan
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Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 00:37:16 -0500 (EST)
From: Dan <drussell@thunder.ocis.temple.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: YtseJam Chat on Unix
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.961230003616.1632A-100000@thunder.ocis.temple.edu>
this message is probably directed towars Syrinx but how do I access the
Dream Theater Chat area from a Unix account???
Thanks
Dan
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Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 00:40:00 -0500 (EST)
From: Dan <drussell@thunder.ocis.temple.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT Content
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.961230003726.1632B-100000@thunder.ocis.temple.edu>
As far as the slowing down of the jams....it must be because of the
Holiday season and all. So it looks like the new DT CD will be out in
late spring early summer and the tour will start the summer of 1997.
Can't wait. In the mean time I have my Dokken "One Live Night" to keep
me company and my new Steve Vai video cassette. See ya all later!!!
GO COWBOYS!!!!!!
DALLAS 40
MINNESOTA 15
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Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 23:01:17 -0700
From: Vincent LuPone <vgl@u.arizona.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Progressive- who really knows?
Message-ID: <199612300601.XAA26578@nevis.u.arizona.edu>
> Okay, I've wanted to bring this up for a while, and since we're kinda
>slow these days, this looks like the perfect time. Those who've been on
>this list for a while know that we've had our fair share of "What is the
>definition of Prog?" discussions, and we've even had "Is _____ Prog?"
>discussions.
I dunno about you, but I always considered Progressive rock to be
music that is complex, well-thought out, goes through different time
signatures and keys, and contains multiple chord PROGressions.
Later,
Peace be with you and God bless,
~Vince
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Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 02:36:26 -0600
From: rbeall@fdldotnet.com (grim88)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: NDTC--Klank
Message-ID: <199612300836.CAA16812@fdl.fdldotnet.com>
I was wondering if any of you had heard of the Klank, and more importantly,
where I could find his CD....his vocals are something special...
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Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 23:20:10 -0800 (PST)
From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: An EOY post. :)
Message-ID: <199612300720.AA25598@crl10.crl.com>
Well gosh, seeing as how I got mentioned in three consecutive posts to
the Jam, this must mean a few things: A) It's the Eighth Sign of the
Apocalypse, B) I'm Somebody Now, and C) Mark Smeets is Dead Meet. :)
Regarding producers... Mike, I don't think it's all that much of a
secret; I didn't see James Labrie look nervously over each
shoulder before he told Wes/"Beavis" the answer (I think I prompted
Wes to ask about producers, which elicited a grin and a "Are you on
the Jam?" from James -- yea, it's the kinda question one of us
net.geeks would ask. :))
Phil Carter mentioned attitudes on the Rush digest (The National
Midnight Star) along with my occasional DT-supportive notes there.
Attitudes on the NMS vary widely. He didn't mention that some diehard
Rush fan gave me grief because I'd "rather stand 4-5 hours at a DT
show and sit at a Rush show." (Never mind the fact that Atlanta's Omni
is reserved seating and Birch Hell is general admission....I dared to
compare the two bands in a public forum.)
Fact is, many Rush fans are like that; it's one reason why I seldom
post to the NMS anymore, why I don't frequent their once-great IRC
channel #p/g!, and why I sometimes get a little disgusted with that
whole holier-than-thou attitude. --Not that DT fans are entirely free
from it, but at least we have a sense of humility: "our" band isn't
playing hockey arenas and getting acres of airplay even in such radio
hellholes as Atlanta, GA, so we're kinda used to being the underdogs.
:)
--Which leads me to my last observation, which parallels (sneaky FW
reference) a few posts from others on the NMS regarding following
Rush.....
In the past thirteen months I've made two lengthy roadtrips and one
brutal air-journey (http://www.crl.com/~vanyel/dt-lirr.html) to see
Dream Theater, but moreover to meet other Ytsejammers and see friends
I'd met before from the Jam. At all times during these pilgrimages the
other DT fans I've met have been terrific. Heath provided crash space
for a few nights and quite a few rides around Schlong Island. Heather
(hmm, is Heath a subset of Heather? :)) was kind enough to provide a
care-package for our long ride home three weekends ago. Others gave
rides, or provided directions, and otherwise helped along the way. To
sum up, DT fans are, with few exceptions, terrific examples of humanity.
It's the end of the year, time for a change of seasons and some
final thoughts. I'll take this opportunity, then, to thank all of you
who have helped make this online community one of the strongest and
most pleasant online music fan groups I know of. I'm sure some of
you have also felt that trememdous "sense of belonging" to a group
that honestly cares about its members.
Sure, this camaraderie is a bit stronger
amongst the IRCers since we chat with eachother nearly every day, but
each and every Ytsejammer helps in his/her own way toward making this
a pleasant haven on the wild, raging Infobahn. Again, thanks to all
of you, and may we all have a happy, healthy and prosperous 1997 --
especially the members of DT, for whom 'this could be the year.' :)
And a special thanks to the Jammer who sent me a surprise Christmas
present all the way from Austria. Two words: I cried. :)
--
Seen my diary on the newsstand | Paul W. Cashman
Seems we've lost the truth to quicksand | www.crl.com/~vanyel
It's a shame no-one is praying <---+--- Dream Theater "Voices"
'Cause these voices in my head keep sayin'.."Love, just don't stare."
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Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 00:32:29 -0800 (PST)
From: James LaPortnoy <skooc@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Question (DTC!!!)
Message-ID: <199612300832.AAA07555@spain.it.earthlink.net>
Hey kids!
I was browsing Mike's webpage and I saw something there I had a question
about. I could've just emailed Mike about it, but being a newlywed and all
I'd think he migght be busy with other things ;)
Here's what I saw:
** What is Dream Theater "Tapestry: A Cascade of Covers"???
Alas, this project has been called off. The band has requested that
the Uncovered gig NOT be released as a bootleg. I was not told why, but we
can reasonably guess that the material will see real release soon!!!
Especially considering the Xmas CD contents, this seems even more likely.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
What is the xmas CD? I was off the jam for a couple months so I didn't hear
about this. Could someone please email me about this.
SC
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There's a demon in my belly and a gremlin in my brain.
There's someone up the chimneyhole, and Satan is his name!
Spinal Tap - Christmas With The Devil
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