YTSEJAM Digest 1261
Today's Topics:
1) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 02/15/96 - 18:53:28" <response@ibmmail.com>
2) Brad Kane
by Brad Kane <jc309@columbia.edu>
3) Barney Greenway & DT?
by
4) Why rerelease WDADU
by "Jonathan Byrne" <RRI02@WVNVM.WVNET.EDU>
5)
by kal_eng@spidernet.com.cy (BB THEO)
6) stuff
by Ernesto Schnack <ernie@ns1.pananet.com>
7) DT clothes.
by Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
8) Hunksa Hunksa Burnin' LUVV?
by Scotch <anthem@virginia.edu>
9) What's new
by Brad Kane <jc309@columbia.edu>
10) tape tree?
by Brian Cox <lerxst@metronet.com>
11) (no subject)
by Massimiliano Zanetti <zako@pg.tecnonet.it>
12) YTSEJAM digest 1254 (fwd) (fwd)
by Scott Daugherty <SRDAUGZ2@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
13) A Shameless Act of Begging
by thekid@txdirect.net (Jose Vaquera)
14) Eruption?
by DreamNDay@aol.com
15) maiden/the guy on improv./ wfs trans. guy
by Shamus McConney <savage@grove.ufl.EDU>
16) Extreme and Saigon Kick
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@moose.uvm.edu>
17) Thingies.
by Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net>
18) Update: Dream Theater demo CD's and more for sale!
by Timothy Lodge <axe@usa.nai.net>
19) Re: QR CD-ROM
by Gilbert Jack Thetgyi <thetgyi@bgnet.bgsu.edu>
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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 14:00:22 EST
From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 02/15/96 - 18:53:28" <response@ibmmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mail Item Format Warning
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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 14:15:15 -0500 (EST)
From: Brad Kane <jc309@columbia.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Brad Kane
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960215141424.1124A-100000@ciao.cc.columbia.edu>
> > From: Brad Kane <jc309@columbia.edu>
> Just who are you trying to fool, Jeff? :)
Hey, don't knock Brad Kane! He's an awesome singer! =)
Yours,
Jeff =)
P.S. "A Whole New World......"
<*> Jeff Chew <*> jc309@columbia.edu <*> (212) 853-6952 <*>
<*> http://www.columbia.edu/~jc309 <*>
<*> Lifting Shadows : http://www.columbia.edu/~jc309/dreamt.html <*>
"Lifting Shadows Off a Dream once broken, she can turn a drop of
water into an ocean" -- John Myung, Dream Theater
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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 21:03:58 +0100 (MET)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Barney Greenway & DT?
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.960215204355.21519A-100000@aasta>
Hello out there!
I was wondering if any of you guys and girls could help me out with this
one. On the cover of ACOS, DT mention that they were able bo work with a
number of other mucisians in connection with the Ronnie Scotts gig. One
of them was Barney Greenway of Napalm Death. Do you know if they actually
did work together? And if they did: what?, how?, is it available
anywhere? etc?
I find it good to read (the Paradise Lost thread) that others here at the
jam also are into heavier stuff. For me, DT and various Death metal
competes for time on my CD player. Anyone interested in learning more
about that kind of music, drop me a note.
On the Jam there has been several threads with "How's about DT playing a
Maiden cover" etc. Well, my wish would be to hear them do a really fast,
grinding death-metal song together with a good death metal vocalist (much
as i love LaBrie's vocals, I don't think he'd pull it off.) What a kick
that could've been!
Anyways, this was my first post after a considerable time in lurking
mode, so I might end it with a big Hello to everybody.
Erik
(erik.hoines@ima.uio.no)
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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 14:49:07 -0500 (EST)
From: "Jonathan Byrne" <RRI02@WVNVM.WVNET.EDU>
To: "YtseJam" <ytsejam@AX.COM>
Subject: Why rerelease WDADU
Message-ID: <199602152011.MAA13530@mindcrime.ax.com>
Hey all, my first post to the new site!
Someone asked why DT is bothering to rerelease WDADU since it is available as
an import. Let me offer my opinion.
I am lucky enough to live in a college town with two decent CD store that have
a pretty good import section. I found WDADU for about $20, and have loved it.
But when I go home, and check out the mall stores, I notice that their import
sections are pretty bad, and often limited to really big names, which DT
isn't, yet. :)
Therefore I am sure there are places where it is a real bitch to find import
CDs without using mail order, which can get rather expensive. So it would
make sense for DT to release WDADU domestically, and make it available to
fans without access to great import collections. In the end, it probably
means more fans will buy the album, DT will make more money, and their
record company will be happier. And that's pretty much what we want, right?
Just my $.02. Comments?
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"Judge not this race by empty remains Jonathan Byrne
Do you judge God by His creatures West Virginia University
when they are dead?" rri02@wvnvm.wvnet.edu
-"Watcher of the Skies", Genesis
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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 22:52:31 +0300
From: kal_eng@spidernet.com.cy (BB THEO)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Message-ID: <199602151952.WAA25626@mail0.spidernet.net>
Does anyone know what Steve Morse is doing now?
Do Dixie Dregs still exist?What's their good albums?
Also,the new Iron Maiden album is mediocre and doesn't
compare with "7th son" or "Number of the beast".
Paradise Lost become a bit too indie and commercially sounding
after "Icon" but they are still an excellent band.
HAHAHAHA.I'm on the new mailing list!
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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 96 21:16:43 +0000 (GMT)
From: Ernesto Schnack <ernie@ns1.pananet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: stuff
Message-ID: <199602152113.NAA23081@mindcrime.ax.com>
Hello... just thought I'd like to post on the new jam, even though I don't
have absolutely nothing to say.
I agree w/ the guy who said that we should try to 'moderate' this list
ourselves, I mean what's such a long post about Maiden doing here? If
you're gonna be flaming people do it personally, oh well, just a thought...
BTW, the new Maiden is actually very cool, you just have to be able to
ignore the fact that Blaze can't sing worth a damn....
well that's about it for now... later
"A thousand lawyers I have found.." James LaBrie, Perfect Strangers..
PROCRASTINATION: It's a way of life!
This message brought to you by the PTP foundation(Proud to Procrastinate). A
non- profit organization dedicated to waiting for tomorrow to support
procrastination.
Ernie ernie@mail.pananet.com
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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 15:25:11 -0600 (CST)
From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT clothes.
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.960215152245.978B-100000@indy27.gclab.missouri.edu>
> From: ytsejammer <belhai@drew.edu>
> Subject: DT ties ---- should be made
>
> Wouldn't it be nice if you could go into a clothing store and buy a Dream
> Theater tie for your brand new suit?
How about a Ytsedesign "Space-Dye Vest?
h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 /
| Pat Griffin Reality2 Design |
| c675311@showme.missouri.edu c675311@cclabs.missouri.edu |
h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 /
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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 16:46:11 -0500
From: Scotch <anthem@virginia.edu>
To: The Elvis Haters <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Hunksa Hunksa Burnin' LUVV?
Message-ID: <v01540b00ad494cc74e13@bootp-234-126.bootp.virginia.edu>
Yo, homies.
OK, a while back, my funky little brother, who recently became a Dream
Thespian, was busy making the rounds at his high school out there in
Dallas, doing his best to convert the masses over to the DT cult (and he
succeeded in several cases, he tells me), evoking such responses as "THIS
IS THE BEST MUSIC I HAVE EVER HEARD" and "THESE GUYS ARE GODS"-- but I hear
that every day right here.
One response, though, I don't hear too much. He was playing DT while in
art class, and some girl was checking out the tunes, and when she saw the
CD booklet's picture of the band, she gasped, "I WANT JAMES LABRIE." My
brother scored with this girl that very night.
At least that's what he said. ;)
My roundabout point is, I'd never really thought about the fact that the
Boys might be seen as sex symbols, like most rock stars are, you know, like
your Eddie Vedders or your Anthony Kiedis's or your Trent Reznors; or like
all of Led Zeppelin or Aerosmith (when they were young) or GN'R. As long
as there've been bands, there've been groupies.
And I was wondering if any of the women on the 'jam, if they're still out
there, ever viewed the Boys that way. The fact that some of the guys in DT
are attached is inconsequential. (I remember Cherone Frankel saying that
Petrucci's solos made her approach orgasm, but that's not the same thing, I
don't think.) Or do you think that DT qualifies as being above that sort
of thing? Wrong category of rock music, maybe? It's not like it's real
easy to pick up girls by mentioning DT-- although if you can, you're
certainly a new breed of Mack Daddy ("Hey baby, you feel like a little
Erotomania?" "Pull me under, baby." "No? How about a Mercy Fuck?").
Cliff's Notes version:
Women: do you see anyone DT as sexy?
Men: have you ever encountered DT-lust in women?
(I believe it's still legal to talk about this stuff, and the boundaries of
good taste hasn't historically proven to be much of a barrier here on the
list... but I have one caveat: Beware of telling us More Than We Want To
Know.)
If this thread goes nowhere, I'm blaming my brother.
Just another impartial observer,
Scott.
anthem@virginia.edu
PS: By the way, I lied about my brother scoring. Artistic license.
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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 17:08:50 -0500 (EST)
From: Brad Kane <jc309@columbia.edu>
To: BafuJam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: What's new
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960215170708.9862A-100000@sawasdee.cc.columbia.edu>
Dear Jammers,
Hey, what's up? I know this may seem sort of random to you, but I just
created a logo for the "What's New" page of Lifting Shadows and I think
it looks really f**kin cool! Anyways, just wanted to share, check it out
at Lifting Shadows!
Yours,
Jeff =)
<*> Jeff Chew <*> jc309@columbia.edu <*> (212) 853-6952 <*>
<*> http://www.columbia.edu/~jc309 <*>
<*> Lifting Shadows : http://www.columbia.edu/~jc309/dreamt.html <*>
"Lifting Shadows Off a Dream once broken, she can turn a drop of
water into an ocean" -- John Myung, Dream Theater
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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 16:19:04 -0600 (CST)
From: Brian Cox <lerxst@metronet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: tape tree?
Message-ID: <199602152219.AA04886@metronet.com>
i just wanted to encourage those of you that have recieved your
12/29/95 tape to post reviews, good, bad, ugly, or otherwise. i
welcome all critiques of the recording, the means by which it was
distributed, how the tape tree thing can be improved, etc. i am
planning on doing another one of the shows next, so helpful criticism
might make the next one run more smoothly.
--<><><><><><><><><> Brian V. Cox (lerxst@metronet.com) <><><><><><><><><> <>Rush|Dream Theater|Queensryche|King's X|Echolyn|King Crimson|Voivod><>
"You have to systematically create confusion - it sets creativity free. Everything that is contradictory creates life." -Salvador Dali, 1980
<><><><><><><><><>DAT Taper/Trader - Email me for list<><><><><><><><><> <><><><><><><><><>< http://www.metronet.com/~lerxst/ ><><><><><><><><><>
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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 96 23:37:00 0100 From: Massimiliano Zanetti <zako@pg.tecnonet.it> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: (no subject) Message-ID: <199602160039.AA07167@pg.tecnonet.it>
Hi, I'm an italian drummer and I wrote some Portnoy's drum part. For info e-mail to zako@pg.tecnonet.it
Good Drumming!!!!
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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 96 17:42:57 EST From: Scott Daugherty <SRDAUGZ2@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU> To: Ytsejam Master J <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: YTSEJAM digest 1254 (fwd) (fwd) Message-ID: <960215.174356.EST.SRDAUGZ2@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
>Oh. I have one. I heard that NO ONE in Dream Theater has EVER even inhaled >a cigarette! Never mind any other drugs (that seems like a better rumour).
I kinda took this as a joke, like the guy was being sarcastic, but a lot of you guys seem to have taken it seriously. What do you say we drop the subject?
>BTW, even if they do drugs, so what? some of the greatest musicians do rugs. ^^^^ What?!?! I'm not even gonna go there! :^)
Hey, does anybody else out there have Rush's Grace Under Pressure video? I got a while back on laserdisc real cheap. Anybody? Please respond to me personally.
Also, to all of you who were savvy enough to get on Brian Cox's dubbing tree- you did a good thing. The 12/29 show sounds REALLY good, and, as many of you already know, the guys played very well. Speaking as someone who made dubs for others- please be patient with those above you, it takes a while to dub a two- and-a-half hour show, about two-and-a half hours per show I think, but my math ain't dat good. :^)
Until next time,
Scott Daugherty [we didn't trim his sig because he's not creative enough to come up with one]
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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 17:42:26 -0600 (CST) From: thekid@txdirect.net (Jose Vaquera) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: A Shameless Act of Begging Message-ID: <199602152342.RAA10449@legend.txdirect.net>
OK, here goes.
(On Knees)
Can anyone please inform me where I can get DT videos. The boots, that is. I am just tapping into this arena so I don't have ANYTHING to trade yet. I am getting the holiday show on tape, but that will be my first. So, about the only thing I can offer is double the amount of tapes in trade. Please help a fellow jammer get started. Thank you.
THE KID
"He's got his head so far up his a**, he's counting his ribs."
============================================================================= "Frankly, I don't want to be a part of a progressive rock scene- I want to be part of a Dream Theater scene." - John Petrucci
"don't ask me, I just work here." =============================================================================
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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 19:25:00 -0500 From: DreamNDay@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Eruption? Message-ID: <960215192458_423695963@mail04.mail.aol.com>
Is it just me or does a part towards the end of Derek's solo after Surrounded on the Birch Hill June Show sound a lot like a part from Van Halen's "Eruption"? If you are a VH fan and haven't noticed it before, take a listen. You'll know what part I mean. Anyway, does this mean Derk is a VH fan? What about teh other guys? I think that Eddie might of had a little influence on John P. lster--------------Brian
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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 19:58:30 -0500 (EST) From: Shamus McConney <savage@grove.ufl.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: maiden/the guy on improv./ wfs trans. guy Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.91.960215193657.22796B-100000@willow>
hello all,
i'm good w/ faces and topics but bad w/names and spelling. so hold on. i totaly agree with the guy who flamed the negative post on maiden. i have loved their music longer than i've even know about dt.
about a week ago someone made a coment about johnp and improv. improv. is one of the greatest forms of art and music there is PERIOD. he said that he liked johnp nice tight thought out solos, but i wonder of he has ever saw or heard him play live. there are numerous acasions that i have hears him improve live. what makes the difference between john someone like kirt hammet (besides the lack of wah abuse) is the fact that when he improves, it is over a chord prog. and not just in key. his pitch axes changes and moves with each chord. if you lissen to his playing alot you will notice that there are certain stock phrases that he will use(these are defenatly his licks but they are used in and out of context throughout his playing). but as i said it is his skill in following a progression that hides the fact that he is winging it form the unknowing lissener, that and the fact that he takes advantage of the entire fingerboard instead of staying in ond position.
to the guy who trans. wait for sleep. you are going to shair the new keven moore stuf? right:) hint hint....
and to our friend in mexico guitar otpm did tabs for take the time and lie, email me if you want the exact issues.
and for one last time, dose any one know about the vid. cam. at the birch hill show?
i will probaly put the birch hill pic. up in my page tomarrow. http://grove.ufl.edu/~savage/page_text/dt2.html
later
shamus ************************************************************************** *"As I wake in the morning just to miss the sunset.*Shamus McConney * * I lie here crying, but I know not why I'm upset. *savage@grove.ufl.edu * * So I wipe away the little portions of my youth. *http://grove.ufl.edu/* * Only to reveal another mystery and not a truth." *~savage * ************************************************************************** * -Adesso che ho perso la vista, ci vedo meglio e di piu. * * "I was blind all the time while I was learning to see." * * "Take the Time" -Dream Theater * **************************************************************************
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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 16:13:10 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@moose.uvm.edu> To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Extreme and Saigon Kick Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.960215160733.64724A-100000@moose.uvm.edu>
I love Extreme. I have everything they've ever put out and III Sides is easily their best. I was really disappointed with Waiting For The Punchline though. Their new drummer Mike is incredible (same league as Portnoy, though Portnoy still reigns as king). There next album should be better. Right now I'm waiting for Nuno's solo album, which should be out within the next couple of months. Saigon Kick rocks also. These guys are so versatile. You never know what the next song is going to sound like. Their new one Devil In The Details is their best so far, IMHO. Since you asked......
Richie
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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 20:32:35 -0700 From: Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Thingies. Message-ID: <199602160332.UAA23477@maple.enet.net>
>Ytse-Ben has lost his mind. >
No I haven't...you have to actually HAVE a mind before you can lose one.
>5) Ben Laussade is a wacko, but not in a bad way.
<blush>
>I thought that you would all like to know that it has now been a year >since I sent tapes to Al. What have I received in that year-NOTHING from >him.
Are you implying that we forgot since the last time you posted one of these?
>He keeps saying he will send them to me. Does anyone else think that >this is totally ridiculous?
I'm sorry...but, I don't really care anymore.
>My emails to him bounce now. I hope that after a year of excuses he hasn't >screwed me over like Jeremy Haynes.
Maybe they're not excuses. Maybe they're REASONS.
>Anyway. Just wanted to put another call out to those interested in a >Mid-Ytse-Con! There've been a number of responses, so far. Bigman is even >working on T-shirts already. PLEASE e-mail me if you're in the >Wisconsin/Illinois/Iowa/Indiana area and want to do this. Even if we get 20 >people, that'd be cool! > >Thanks a lot! LATER- > >Steve
(westwestwestwestwestwestwestwestwestwestwestwestwestwestwestwestwestwestwest)
The name's Ben....Ytse Ben.
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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 23:14:17 -0500 From: Timothy Lodge <axe@usa.nai.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Update: Dream Theater demo CD's and more for sale! Message-ID: <199602160414.XAA00197@usa.nai.net>
Now that we're moved totally over to ax.com, I thought i'd post another brief update/reminder for the cd's I am currently selling!
The CD's are:
DREAM THEATER: while performing as MAJESTY: The Official 1986 Demo (1 CD) DREAM THEATER: InstruMENTAL I: The 1987 Recordings (1 CD) DREAM THEATER: InstruMENTAL II: Our Music, Your Brain [NEW] featuring the demo version of A CHANGE OF SEASONS!! (1 CD) RISING POWER: Power to the People - Portnoy's old band! (1 CD)
All of these CD's are brand new, not used. The quality on all of these is excellent, and showcases a lot of rare material from the early days of DT.
For complete setlists and info on the cd's, visit my dream theater section at my web site: http://w3.nai.net/~axe
Prices are the CD's are $23.99 each..[$12.99 for Rising Power]..and all prices INCLUDE 1st class Shipping to your front door. (or mailbox, or whatever. :) ) You can pay via check, money order, or cash if you have no other alternative, and you are willing to risk it! :)
You can also pay via VISA / MASTERCARD! using a First Virtual Account! (www.fv.com) [first virtual accounts cost $1 and you can get a FV Account Pin # at www.fv.com].
If anyone is interested in purchasing cd's, please send me email at the address below.
Thanks!
Tim L. Send orders/inquiries to: axe@nai.net lodge_tim@ccsu.ctstateu.edu
------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy M. Lodge Quinnipiac College School of Law, Class of 1998. axe@nai.net lodge_tim@ccsu.ctstateu.edu
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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 23:52:48 -0500 (EST) From: Gilbert Jack Thetgyi <thetgyi@bgnet.bgsu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: QR CD-ROM Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9602152337.A15602-0100000@bgnet2.bgsu.edu>
On Mon, 12 Feb 1996, borlangw wrote:
> G. Jack Thetgyi wrote: > > [stuff about QR's CD-ROM] If you don't care for Queensryche > > releasing this project, what do you think about JP doing a guitar video? > > I'm sure this would be exempt from "disappearing up his own arse [sic]. > > If it takes you 4 years to release an album, and you then decide to release > something which is probably only usable by about 1% of the rock music market, > then something is wrong with you. But I would estimate that around 95% of > rock music fans have access to a VCR, so videos are a cool idea :-) > > > arse [sic]. > > Well, I'm not American. > > Graham B. [sig trimmed--kbibb]
Well, your VCR point is probably valid, but 95% of rock music fans are not exclusively guitarists. There are bassists, drummers, horn players, keyboardists, etc. I also think that while QR's label probably considers the CD-Rom for the "rock music market", QR themselves feel it's for the fans. As far as 4 years between albums, you have to take into account the touring for Empire, namely the "Building Empires" tour. I don't know exactly how long it was, I'm assuming it was more than a year. Also, QR released "Operation: LIVEcrime", although it wasn't a "studio" release, it was a release nontheless. I'll wait an eternity for a new album: Promised Land was well worth the wait, especially the live show. What seemed like an eternity between Metallica's ...And Justice For All and the Black album was worth the wait. I'm sure Metallica's forthcoming album will be worth the wait of 5 years. Personally, I don't care for ACOS that much. The title track is great, but the covers are straightforward and unadventurous (maybe even boring?). I'll take twenty-three minutes of the intro to "The Mirror", "Caught In A Web" back-to-back as Bafu Vai once suggested, or twenty-three minutes of the elephant/train keyboard sound that Derek makes toward the end of ACOS, which I like to call "Hellhound On My Trail II" BTW, over covers any day. It is obvious that Graham and I don't see eye to eye about QR's CD-Rom. Now that Living Colour is no more, Queensryche has become my favorite band. Other artists have also released CD-Roms: Cranberries, Sting, and B.B. King. Don't mess with the ambassador of the blues (B.B.), though, or I'll get really mad! Graham and I can agree to disagree. You say potatoe, I say potato...you say "arse", I say @$$.
Sincerely,
G. Jack Thetgyi
P.S. Vote Ytse Ben Laussade for Modern Drummer's Poll!
------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It, it, it was...soap poisoning." -Ralphie, "A Christmas Story"
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