YTSEJAM Digest 1272
Today's Topics:
1) Eddie vs JP
by God <msmeets@smartt.com>
2) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 02/19/96 - 07:35:54" <response@ibmmail.com>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1270
by Elliott Kim <ekim01@fiu.edu>
4) The DRINKING GAME
by drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh)
5) Re: The Ytsejam Drinking Game!
by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
6) Extreme as progressive
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@emba.uvm.edu>
7) A few things on MY MIND.....
by te95mne@student.hgs.se (MIKA NUMMINEN)
8) Re: rush
by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
9) Concrete Corner Giveaway
by Gilbert Jack Thetgyi <thetgyi@bgnet.bgsu.edu>
10) Re: Mail Item Format Warning
by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
11) Jam 1270 Urination Facility
by "Brian K. Adams" <aa467@seorf.ohiou.edu>
12) Hieroglyphics after my posts?
by Steven & Julia Young <syoung@primenet.com>
13) Re: Extreme as progressive
by drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh)
14) Hi everyone
by Michael Bahr <durnik@indirect.com>
15) DAMMIT!!!
by Michael Bahr <durnik@indirect.com>
16) Lars/Koggie/Gandalf...
by "Craig Newmeyer" <the-vorlon@e-mail.com>
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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 23:00:44 PST
From: God <msmeets@smartt.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Eddie vs JP
Message-ID: <199602190705.HAA17777@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net>
** Reply to note from ytsejam@ax.com 02/18/96 1:36pm -0800
So, Now its Eddie Vs. John..shit, first it was Randy Rhods vs Eddie...I
think Randy won frankly but never had the chance to prove it, although
his legacy he left behind, damn, my vote is for Randy...then it was
Eddie vs Satriani at one point and Satch Vs.Vai and then Hammster, I
mean Hammet vs. Friedman and then Hammet vs. eddie and then Hammet vs.
the rest of the world..Actually, I was kinda wondering why no one had
talked about JP bein comapred to the likes of those guys. Its a thread
now..who's better...2 different styles frankly, A little Hard to judge.
I'd have to go with JP. I don't think VH is much of a challenge for JP
but who knows, 2 great guitarists.
What about the guys in Fates Warning Or Queensyrche Vs JP...there's a
tuff choice.
Mark
btw my homepage site is working again so, enjoy.
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-Earl:We don't have mamals over much
Baby:MAMALS TASTY...WE HAD THEM FOR BREAKFAST
Francene:BABY!!!!
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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 02:36:32 EST
From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 02/19/96 - 07:35:54" <response@ibmmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mail Item Format Warning
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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 02:36:48 -0500 (EST)
From: Elliott Kim <ekim01@fiu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1270
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960219021651.3679A-100000@serss1>
>
> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 17:01:21 -0500 (EST)
> From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@emba.uvm.edu>
>
> Well, I'm not a parent (and, Ged willing, won't be for quite some time
^^^
:)
> :), but here's my suggestion. I'm posting this to the Jam to see who
> agrees and who disagrees.
>
> Expose your son to everything you can. The latest Newsweek had an
> article on how a child's brain develops. The basic jist of the article
> was that a child's brain is a sponge, and it is harder to learn brand new
> things the older a person gets. So, play Barney the Dinosaur *and*
> Barney Greenway. The more your child is exposed to, the more he'll
> learn, and the more he'll be able to learn later. And don't restrict
> yourself to just rock. Play classical, opera, and anything else you can
> stomach. A child's earliest experiences are the most formative.
>
> Then again, I'm a computer scientist, not a psychologist. Maybe someone
> else can shed more light on this one.
>
> -D-Man
>
>
Well put, D! I don't know if it's true or not, but it's probably what I'd
do. :) There must be some sort of VT <-> FL psychic link.
There is only one D-Man, and only one E-Man.. All others are merely
imitators!!!!!
Fookin' bloody 'ell!! I originally wanted to reply to a bunch of posts,
but in the process, I decided not to! I went through a whole freakin'
jam, deleting this or that, and in the end, all I kept was ONE frigggin'
post! DAMNIT!!!!
Elliott Kim Florida International University
ekim01@fiu.edu E-Man@dreamt.org
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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 23:49:12 PST
From: drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: The DRINKING GAME
Message-ID: <199602190749.XAA03026@netcom2.netcom.com>
Alright... now you can get the f**king drinking game on the DT Archives...
so... lets have another beer!!!
ftp.netcom.com
pub/dr/drkhoe/dt/drink.txt
ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/dr/drkhoe/www/dt.html
-The Doc
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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 96 2:56:49 EST From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: The Ytsejam Drinking Game! Message-ID: <9602190756.AA00851@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
Scott.
You are a twisted individual.
Love your drinking game. If I drank, I'd play. Also good to know that you spelled my last name right both times. I didn't know I was such a celebrity.
and, for those who are playing, Damon Fibraio is BLIND. Drink up.
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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 02:58:58 -0500 (EST) From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@emba.uvm.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Extreme as progressive Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9602190217.A14299-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: WildKoba@aol.com > Subject: stuff > > re: queen and extreme as prog > i once saw an article somewhere that mentioned queen as a prog band. "night > at the opera" sure helps their argument there. > > but extreme?? > not that it matters to me (cause i don't really like them), but i > dunno......with songs like "get the funk out" and "more than words", i'd > scratch my head in puzzlement over that.
Dave, I hate to be disagreeable, but do "Another Day" and "Wait For Sleep" disqualify DT (drink! :) as a prog band? I think one of the coolest qualities of both bands is their versatility.
Besides, Extreme did record a 20-something minute song in 3 parts on the third album.
OBVC: Hi Bafu!
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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 13:33:52 +0100 From: te95mne@student.hgs.se (MIKA NUMMINEN) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: A few things on MY MIND..... Message-ID: <199602141232.NAA25123@adeptus.student.hgs.se>
First, all the stuff about this being my first mail to the new adress and stuff..... *grin*
Secondly (sp?), a pointer, I'm under the impression that this is an unmoderated list, then let's all do a few adjustments, NO SIG'S THAT ARE LIKE 15 LINES!!!! (not ten either *grin*) IMO there's nothing as irretating as receiving a Ytsejam, and finding that half the text is sig's... That is my opinion, if you don't want to change (noone implicated) *grin* fine, but don't use the list to flame me, send them to me directly.. *grin*
Thirly *grin*, anyone got an Ivanhoe CD and would like to dub/trade it to me?? (Or know where to buy it in Europe) I would be very grateful, mail me privately, I have a few very good swedish bands CDs which I could dub... Including my own group, Afterglow (Well, a dub of our tape....) *grin*
#4 Are you guys getting tired of me using upp all this bandwidth... *grin*
#5 Hey, just curious, are there any Swedish jammers out there?? I know there's at leat three, including me... Mail me privately....
Well, that's it for this time, CU guys and gals around...
Mika
The Swedish Viking... (Hey, that's a short sig!!!! *grin*)
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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 96 3:31:06 EST From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: rush Message-ID: <9602190831.AA01583@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
A rush box set? It would have to be a live set. There is no unreleased material from Rush. Every interview I've ever read says that what Rush writes goes onto the record. there's no material in the can. so if they do produce a box set, I would hope it's live stuff that didn't make it to albums like Exit stage left. that would be quite cool.
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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 03:42:23 -0500 (EST) From: Gilbert Jack Thetgyi <thetgyi@bgnet.bgsu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Concrete Corner Giveaway Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9602190353.A14959-0100000@bgnet1.bgsu.edu>
Dear 'Jammers,
The latest free issue of Concrete Corner (available at better music stores everywhere), Feb. 96, has a giveaway for a Gibson Flying V autographed by: White Zombie, Dave Wyndorf Of Monster Magnet, Alice Cooper, Jennifer Finch of L7, Ernie C. of Body Count, Jani Lane & Eric Turner of Warrant, Extreme, Mike Inez of Alice In Chains, Biohazard, Bruce Dickinson, Dee Snider, Bob Kulick, and Anton Fig-drum roll please...John Petrucci! Entry blanks have to be received by March 11, 1996 and only one entry per person. Good luck!
Sincerely,
G. Jack Thetgyi ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It, it, it was...soap poisoning." -Ralphie, "A Christmas Story"
"I'm not a man of too many faces The mask I wear is one" -Sting & Dominic Miller, "Shape Of My Heart" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 96 3:49:35 EST From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Mail Item Format Warning Message-ID: <9602190849.AA15475@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
Can't we do something about this message? It's starting to irritate me.
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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 01:52:10 -0500 (EST) From: "Brian K. Adams" <aa467@seorf.ohiou.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Jam 1270 Urination Facility Message-ID: <199602190652.BAA03671@ra.cs.ohiou.edu>
I was at that show at the Newport in Columbus, OH. I understand the feeling of the need to extract the beers. Those restrooms are not sufficient. Can't wait to see DT again though I was completly amazed at that show!
Brian Adams
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Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 02:24:20 -0700 From: Steven & Julia Young <syoung@primenet.com> To: "'Ystejam Digest'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Hieroglyphics after my posts? Message-ID: <01BAFCDF.23C30580@ip150.tus.primenet.com>
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Hey, 'Jammers --
WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON HERE?!?
What is all of that CRAP coming up after my posts when the the Jam comes = out? I know it's annoying and I'm sorry -- I'd do something about it if I = knew what it was I COULD do.
I just wanted to let everybody know that it's not some secret code that = I'm trying to sneak through to someone over the Jam -- I honestly don't = know what it is or where it came from.
If someone DOES have a clue, let me know, so I can remedy the situation = and spare all of you the grand pain in the ass of scrolling through the = 6 or 7 pages of hieroglyphics.
Steve from Tucson syoung@primenet.com
"Things are getting just a little bit scary -- it's a wonder I can still = breathe." - DT
P.S. No, people, Extreme is definitely NOT a progressive rock band. They = are just a good, solid, straight-ahead rock n' roll band, with a = kick-ass guitarist and excellent writing -- impossible to compare to DT = -- two completely different styles. DT is a band that explores more = beyond the boundaries -- takes more chances with it's music and has a = kick-ass guitarist, bassist, drummer, singer and, as far as I know, = "dude-on-the-keys" -- and SUPERIOR writing. But I really dig both bands. ------ =_NextPart_000_01BAFCDF.23CC2D40 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 01:47:20 PST From: drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Extreme as progressive Message-ID: <199602190947.BAA10407@netcom2.netcom.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, "Christopher R. Merlo" said: > >Dave, I hate to be disagreeable, but do "Another Day" and "Wait For >Sleep" disqualify DT (drink! :) as a prog band? I think one of the >coolest qualities of both bands is their versatility. >
Hmmmmm... I always thought that those two songs were some of the most progressive songs...
Extreme has progressive overtones but is definitely NOT progressive.
-The Doc
p.s. My word usually is final... have another drink...
-- #$%*#$*@ REAL: drkhoe@netcom.com + VIRTUAL: drkhoe@gnu.ai.mit.edu *@#$*@#$ *$%&%#$* The Dream Theater Archives: ftp.netcom.com: /pub/dr/drkhoe/dt &*@#$*@$ **%^$#$% WWW: "ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/dr/drkhoe/www/dthome.html" #$**@#*$ *$*$*$*# Reality Enhancement Software - Engineering Reality *$&#*#@$
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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 02:53:54 -0700 (MST) From: Michael Bahr <durnik@indirect.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: 1@bud.indirect.com Subject: Hi everyone Message-ID: <199602190953.CAA01067@bud.indirect.com>
Hi everyone!
I thought you'd all get a kick out of this... check out what I dug up while cleaning off my hard drive...
> indicates a quote I've added.
NOTE: SUBCONSCIOUS IS ***NOT*** AVAILABLE. THIS IS JUST A RE-POST OF THE ORIGINAL AVAILABILITY ADVERTISEMENT FOR NOSTALGIA PURPOSES.
-begin- Dream Theater "SUBCONSCIOUS" and project CDs infofile 2/1/95
Hi! This is a general information notice about the Dream Theater "Subconscious" CD and other special limited edition Ytsejam-only CDs I will be making available in the months to come. This is in answer to all the requests for more information and the like from the list.
I, humble Mike Bahr, and some of my buddies here in Arizona, busted our wallets and pressed our VISAs to the limit because we thought it would be a good idea to have a CD burner. It does Audio CDs and CDROM. Tests have indicated to us that it's a bitch to use, but does work well and can be used to make some EXTREMELY collectable CDs for the list itself.
> Turns out it didn't work worth shit, and I had to rent studio time and > equipment to do the job. You live and you learn.
How am I being compensated for this? Well I plan to put the profit (such as it will be... as I will run a very narrow margin on these) toward paying for the burner. The very miniscule profit from the Rush Video Montage from earlier in 1994 was sufficient to pay for the second hifi VCR I had bought to do the duplicating with. I figured that the only way to be able to make this sort of special edition stuff available to Ytsejam would be to take a huge risk and hope that their fandom was for real.
Well as it turns out, your fandom is MORE than real! I will begin production on the first special DT CD "Subconscious" near the end of 2/95. I will be posting periodic notices to Ytsejam about when to pay and when to expect delivery. Hang onto your money for now as I am not yet ready to start spinning discs.
> It was released on April 3rd. Subconscious covered costs after about 370 > copies were sold, and I put the rest toward Cygnus and Acoustic Dreams.
Since this is a privately financed project, I will be making a single production run of (it now appears) roughly 500 discs. They will never be produced again, and they will have jewel boxes and case liners of course. I am not Kiss The Stone or Metal Crash, so it may not LOOK quite as spiffy as some boots, but this will be the best, easily. Here's a preliminary track listing... the final product will differ little, if at all:
(some of these, I have found nearly FIRST gen copies of!!)
> Of the below, ($) means it wound up on Sub, (%) on Antiquities, (@) on > Scenes From A Memory, (^) on Acoustic Dreams, (&) on WDATU, > and (#) means it never made it onto a CD.
A Change of Seasons (live from 1993 with James on vocs)$ OR: A Change of Seasons (demo, instrumental) or (demo, C.Cintron on vocals)@ To Live Forever (acoustic version) (James on vocs)$ O Holy Night (C. Dominici on vocals)$ Don't Look Past Me (J. Hendricks on vocals)$ Eve (with samples, live)$ Wanted Dead or Alive (cover of BJ with Kev's roommate on vocals)$ Tears (cover of Rush from the upcoming covers gig in London)$ Mission: Impossible$ The Gorilla Session Jam$ The Silent Man/Another Day (acoustic versions from a radio thing)^
Those are GOING to be on it, 90% certainty. Other possible tracks, depending totally on room-on-the-disc and so forth, are:
To Live Forever# Eve# Lie (radio edit)# Caught In a Web (re)# Pull Me Under (re)# Take The Time (re)# Take The Time (demo version)# To Live Forever/Heavy Jam (live instrumental)& Status Seeker (Broon remix)# Afterlife (Broon remix)# Metropolis (demo version)# To Live Forever (Hendricks on vocals)# The Golden Weight$
A LOT of these may be held over until another disc, and/or more covers from the London gig may find themselves on either CD.
Still forthcoming when Subconscious is finished is When Dream And James Unite, the live CD of WDADU with James on vocals. In a large way, Subconscious will be financing WDAJU. I expect WDAJU to sell far more copies and to be less rare than the totally collectible Subconscious, and as such the price will doubtless go down a shade.
> The irony in that paragraph is startling. WDA_T_U is still shipping > (though it already has out-sold Subconscious) and Subconscious is one of, > if not _THE_ most collectible Dream Theater rarities.
Okay now for the details.
I'll post ordering info to Ytsejam just before production begins. I am taking reservations now, limit 5 copies per person. Limit on production is 500 copies. Currently 310 reserved. The price will be US$27.50. I am paying shipping and such. I can ship to any country for no increase in price.
> I wound up dropping the price to $25 and adding international postage > because most of the orders were from the USA. However with every CD, > the number of international orders has increased.
I want to close by saying two things: I really admire the dedication to this band shown by the members of Ytsejam... truly if anyone deserves a shot at this CD, you guys 'n girls do. Thank you for making this project a success almost before I even began. Secondly, stay tuned to Ytsejam for more information as it becomes available!!
Thanks!!
Mike Bahr, garion@indirect.com Your friendly FAQ guy.
> Ah, the good old days... I remember it like it was just last year. :) > > MTFBWY! - Mike Bahr, durnik@indirect.com/mikebahr@dreamt.org
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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 03:14:56 -0700 (MST) From: Michael Bahr <durnik@indirect.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DAMMIT!!! Message-ID: <199602191014.DAA01795@bud.indirect.com>
Dammit, the message size limit is still in force here on ax.com. I thought the bandwidth problem was over. Can we do something about this? I want to resume posting the CD updates to the list...
Everyone, a NEW UPDATE is done and the ANTIQUITIES number listing is in it! Jeff Chew already has it for his page (he will probably put it up pretty soon) and you can also get it straight from me via e-mail.
MTFBWY! Mike Bahr, durnik@indirect.com/mikebahr@dreamt.org
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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 08:50:24 EST From: "Craig Newmeyer" <the-vorlon@e-mail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Lars/Koggie/Gandalf... Message-ID: <199602191350.FAA12616@mindcrime.ax.com>
Lars... What's up? Second favorite team???? :) The truth is out! John K. (Koggie - How do you pronounce that anyway?) How the hell are ya? Did you get your other address all sorted out yet? Recover from your birthday celebration alright??? Mithrandir... er... Gandalf... I think there is actually a town in Canada named Rivendell and Alex L. (and maybe Geddy also) has some connection to it. I don't know if they have a studio there or what... Also, before Robert Plant joined Led Zeppelin, he was in a band named after something from Tolkien's novels... The name escapes me right now though. Watch out for those Nazgul! Mike Bahr... Breaking out the stillsuits?!? Are you sure it was Three Wise Men before you wrote your post... or was it Semuta? ;) And now for something completely different.............. I tried downloading the DT Doom level from Jeff Chew's (?) home page... and my computer won't let me unzip the file. Is there a bug or is my computer just being a pain in the ass? Did I correctly hear someone mention that Metropolis, part II had already been recorded during the I&W sessions and will be on the next album??? Later all! Craig .............................. "Adesso che ho perso la vista,. ..ci vedo meglio e di piu"....
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