YTSEJAM Digest 1268
Today's Topics:
1) AFIL guitar tab
by Ernesto Schnack <ernie@ns1.pananet.com>
2) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 02/18/96 - 05:54:07" <response@ibmmail.com>
3) Enchant & Rush
by "Ryan D. Eschauzier" <rdesc@conncoll.edu>
4) Rush
by "Ryan D. Eschauzier" <rdesc@conncoll.edu>
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1267
by Dave <buster@ee.net>
6) No stopping Maiden(NYC academy show!!)..AMAZING
by fates@ix.netcom.com (Carlo D'Angelo )
7) A question:
by Brian Wherry <bwherry@acs.bu.edu>
8) Re: Birch Hill tapes
by drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh)
9) Re: the Ytsejam Drinking Game
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@emba.uvm.edu>
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1267
by Michael Bahr <durnik@indirect.com>
11) YTSEJAM digest 1261
by kurt@fgallery.com
12) Drunkenness
by Jeremy P Lakatos <afn39111@afn.org>
13) drinking game
by m_washke@acad.lvc.edu
14) Get your drinks ready.
by Mr Who? <ma5jw@bath.ac.uk>
15) Extreme and Queen are progressive?
by fcavani@pianeta.it (Fabio Cavani)
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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 96 05:44:41 +0000 (GMT)
From: Ernesto Schnack <ernie@ns1.pananet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: AFIL guitar tab
Message-ID: <199602180540.VAA19686@mindcrime.ax.com>
Hi all guitar jammers...I just wanted to say that I figured out AFIL on
guitar... the whole thing i must proudly say:)... anyways, I already saw a
nother one somewhere on the net, butit was slightly inaccurate... I can
assure my transcription is pretty accurate.. I spent a lot of time going
through the LiT video in slow motion (especially that sweeping part)...
anyways, if anybody is interested in getting this tab, send me an e-mail, if
I get enough people replying I'll eventually go throuhh the pain of typing
it out and sending to someone w/ a DT home page to put it there, or maybe
I'll just put iton the jam ..(it isn't moderated anymore:)
later
PROCRASTINATION: It's a way of life!
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non- profit organization dedicated to waiting for tomorrow to support
procrastination.
Ernie ernie@mail.pananet.com
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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 00:54:44 EST
From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 02/18/96 - 05:54:07" <response@ibmmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mail Item Format Warning
Message-ID: <199602180555.VAA19942@mindcrime.ax.com>
The mail item that you sent at 05:54:37 GMT on 18 Feb 1996 has been delivered.
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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 01:56:16 -0500 (EST)
From: "Ryan D. Eschauzier" <rdesc@conncoll.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Enchant & Rush
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9602180119.A20289-0100000@dsys.cc.conncoll.edu>
When I heard from the drunken Mike that DT may play with Rush, I believe
a tear fell down my cheek. This possibility is UNBELIEVEABLE! I really
can't think of anything I'd like better. How great would it be to see DT
in a larger venue, with Rush there too! Please, someone confirm this, or
say that they know it may happen.
Just wanted to say hi to ArchFates, what's up?
Okay....Enchant. I haven't read too much about these guys on the jam
yet, but they are absolutely GREAT!!! A Blueprint Of The World is so
good. The first track "The Thirst" has to be one of the best songs by
anybody, and the drummer is awesome. Anybody who enjoys Rush should get
this album, as the drummer displays Neil and Mike like qualities! GET
ENCHANT!!!
The Booze Crew post was hilarious!
-Ryan
2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 *
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"A Bridge is not a high place "Stealthily Attacking
The fifty second floor By-Tor slays his foe
Icarus would know The men are free to run now
A mountain isn't far to fall In the labyrinth below"
When you've fallen from the moon."
-Steve Hogarth -Neil Peart
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rdesc@conncoll.edu Ryan Eschauzier '97 (860) 439-4085
Connecticut College
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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 01:59:32 -0500 (EST)
From: "Ryan D. Eschauzier" <rdesc@conncoll.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Rush
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9602180155.B20289-0100000@dsys.cc.conncoll.edu>
To think, I just posted on Rush's National Midnight Star that I thought
the best bands to open for Rush: Marillion, Yes, Dream Theater (ha-I
took the time) would never do it. I may stand corrected.
-Ryan
2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 *
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"A Bridge is not a high place "Stealthily Attacking
The fifty second floor By-Tor slays his foe
Icarus would know The men are free to run now
A mountain isn't far to fall In the labyrinth below"
When you've fallen from the moon."
-Steve Hogarth -Neil Peart
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rdesc@conncoll.edu Ryan Eschauzier '97 (860) 439-4085
Connecticut College
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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 01:55:51 -0500
From: Dave <buster@ee.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1267
Message-ID: <199602180655.BAA19114@mail.ee.net>
This may be a waste of bandwidth but, I just finished listening to Voices
for the billionth time and I can still only conclude one thing....
DREAM THEATER FUCKING RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:) buster
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Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 21:59:51 -0800
From: fates@ix.netcom.com (Carlo D'Angelo )
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: No stopping Maiden(NYC academy show!!)..AMAZING
Message-ID: <199602180559.VAA29048@ix11.ix.netcom.com>
The title says it all people!!!!
Being that this was my first time seeing Maiden. I've been into em
since '89 but couldnt see them cause the show was on a school night or
some stupid shit like that. ANYWAY.....Maiden totally kicked ass in
NYC!!!!!!! Blaze totally impressed the hell out of me (also a nice
touch when he mentioned how diehard fans like us could sellout the
venue in a blizzard without the support of radio or TV airplay!) ..much
better than the album and a GREAT frontman..pointed to me in the front
row of the upper balcony and I made this psychotic face while pumping
my hands and he gave me a thumbs up..COOL!!!!
Was it me but did Nicko add tons of double bass here and there along
wwith awesome ride patterns I've never noticed...everything was so
crisp live.....Nicko never sounded so good...totally blew my ass away.
Especially when he added all that double bass to the last half of "Iron
Maiden"...FUCKING AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dave and Steve were on top of everything...totally clean playing with
great chops..Steve's little intro solo was amazing (seemed faster
too...and NO PICK!) Didnt notice Janick's playing too much cause he
went a little overboard with the stage antics..but hey..its Maiden and
there's no stopping em!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
All I have to say is DO NOT MISS THIS TOUR......show your support so
these dumbass promoters will allow them to play bigger venues so we can
have a visit from Eddie!!!!
cheers,
Carlo
UP THE IRONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
---- | [] | |] | ******* ** | [] | |] | "For one flickering moment, he seemed to catch | [| an image, one he found both exciting and disturbing: | [] | |] | an enormous tower constructed of dark and sooty ****** ** ** stone, standing in a field of red roses. Slit ** **** ** windows twisted up its sides in a brooding spiral." |] | | [| | [] | "Go then, there are other worlds than these." |] | ** *** *** ** --Stephen King ** **** **** (The Gunslinger: Dark Tower series)
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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 01:08:04 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Wherry <bwherry@acs.bu.edu> To: DT List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: A question: Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9602180037.A123035-0100000@acs5.bu.edu>
What if I'm perfectly sober and I still want to post? Would that be all right with everybody?
:)
Well, now that I have finally posted to "the new list," I guess I should pass along some information to you all. Well, y'all know how Kevin Moore is working with Mark Zonder out in LA doing demos (or was back in January, anyway...)? Well, do y'all want to know who was doing the guitar for them? Mark Snyder. Ring any bells? Yup, he's the guy who builds all the slick racks for the big-time guitar players, and he tends to do JP's tech quite a bit. I'll talk to my source and try to find out about tapes....
Until next time,
(undoubtedly sober -- sorry)
Brian
ps- To the guy wondering about the quote from the old ACoS -- I'm listening to it right now, and I can't even make out as much as you did!! Well done!
pps- Have you all tried Minute Maid's Orange Passion Guava? It's darn tasty. Sometimes that's all a beverage needs to be, IMHO.
"I don't need your fuckin' shit to get me through the day!" JLB (that's not a .sig, I actually typed it for some reason...)
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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 02:00:33 PST From: drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Birch Hill tapes Message-ID: <199602181000.CAA19556@netcom6.netcom.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, "Andrew Keith Garinger" said: > I just got the tapes from my good friend Jon and they sound pretty good. >Has anyone else noticed the EXTREME amount of low bass in these recordings? >I have a subwoofer hooked in my system and all that is distinguishable from >it is a loud hum whenever Myung plays. I had to re-EQ the entire system >just to play the tape well. No big deal, cause I have a lot of extra presets >on my EQ and receiver, but I just thought that someone might be able to clean >it up a bit. > >Later, > Andrew >
It's those Core Sound Binaurals... they're real heavy on the bass.. (those are the mics Brian was using...)
-The Doc
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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 05:05:25 -0500 (EST) From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@emba.uvm.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: the Ytsejam Drinking Game Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9602180550.A4856-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: Scotch <anthem@virginia.edu> > To: The Booze Crew <ytsejam@ax.com> > Subject: The Ytsejam Drinking Game! > > While reading the increasing number of PWI's (posting while intoxicated) on > the 'jam, it occurred to me that a whole new dimension of enjoyment could > be added to the already Fun and Exciting world of the Ytsejam Mailing List > with the help of some behavioral modification beverage consumption. So, > without further ado, I humbly present the Ytsejam Drinking Game.
I think this belongs on the web somewhere. I laughed my ass off at this one! (Well, no, it's still there...) Bafu, if you ever start giving out crimson stars again, here's my nomination for post of the month.
By the way, I was pretty lit a couple hours ago. :)
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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 03:41:30 -0700 (MST) From: Michael Bahr <durnik@indirect.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: durnik@indirect.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1267 Message-ID: <199602181041.DAA01111@bud.indirect.com>
Hi everyone!
Contrary to the usual habits I've been following, I'm cold sober as I type this. Further sobering was the pleasant swim in the pool I just finished with. I tell ya, it's getting to be a furnace around here in Sand Warrior Land... time to bust out the Stillsuits for another summer. My apologies to everyone north of snow latitude. :)
I'm gonna pull a Bafu (there's your reference) because so many posts caught my attention this time..
> YTSEJAM Digest 1267 > Today's Topics: > From: Archfates@aol.com > Subject: fill in the blanks > > If anyone has the pre-IAW tape with Labrie / ACOS, or if your > a Sterling fan; Children of yesterday aires of tommorow what do > you reap ____ in sorrow,_______ faster and faster_____ prepared > by the master. Could someone please fill in the blanks, this sounds > trivial, but it's driving me nuts and my tape deck is getting tired.
Not many people have this tape (in fact, nearly nobody does) but for the benefit of the Jam, that song from that tape _IS_ included on Antiquities! (as well as Don't Look Past Me with James at the vocals, which I know has been highly-coveted for a long time... it rocks!) This was less of a reply and more of a "public service announcement". I _THINK_ the quote goes: "Children of yesterday, heirs of tomorrow, for what do you reap your yield in sorrow..." ...but I can't figure out the rest of it either. Obscured sonically by the instruments, it is.
I think most of you on the Jam will really like Mike Portnoy's original soundbites from the pre-IAW ACOS on AQ. Some of them are hauntingly appropriate, like one at the end. > From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 02/17/96 - 20:10:22" <response@ibmmail.com> > Subject: Mail Item Format Warning > > The mail item that you sent at 20:10:54 GMT on 17 Feb 1996 has been delivered. > > However, it has been necessary to convert this item into a > format that is acceptable to the recipient, FITIPMOL at IBMMAIL. > Information beyond column 79 in the mail item will have been wrapped.
Dangit, this guy's gonna beat me AND Bafu for most Jam posts ever!
> From: augie@unix.asb.com (Heath) > Subject: Can this be true? > > > News from the DT camp... nothing solid yet, just plans that are > >hoping to be made reality... this winter: Rush, with special guest Dream > >Theater!! Hey, it's nothing solid yet, nothing confirmable, so don't kill > >yourself if it dosen't happen. But! They both have albums coming out at > >the same time and our favourite progressive band would very much like it > >to happen. Let's hope for the best eh!!! Managements will be the deciding > >factors in this now. > > I hope you weren't too wasted Mike. If this news is true, it would be the > greatest thing in the world. I just hope it wasn't something you thought > of while you were drunk. Just imagine DT and Rush together. I could, but > couldn't.
I was thinking in clarity when I posted that. :) I actually had known it beforehand, but I remembered to post it to the Jam after talking about it that day. Ged and Alex dig DT and Alex said in an interview that he'd tour with them. All of DT wants to tour with Rush. however it might be premature for their managements to outline tour agendae... that's what remains to be seen.
> From: Bogie34@aol.com > Subject: Subconscious and Acoustic Dreams > > Is there anyone on the Jam that is interested in selling me a copy (hopefully > one of you has an extra copy lingering around) of Subconscious and Acoustic > Dreams? Serious inquiries should e-mail me at the address in the header. I > am willing to pay mucho dinero for these gems.
Wow! I'm less curious about the selling price than I am to know if anyone actually kept spare copies of these!! It seems like everyone ordered for themselves and nothing else! :)
Which reminds me: Brian Anderson, e-mail me or Masayuki Daigo as soon as you can. We've found you a spare copy of Acoustic Dreams to replace the one that was stolen from you, but we need to arrange the shipping for it.
> and mike bahr, jeez! that's 2 for you! but i must say i like that 3 wise men > thing. i gotta try that someday.
It was heavy stuff. I prefer Gingerbread Man, Vibrating Pussy, Colorado Bulldog, Long Island Iced Tea, or White Russian before the 3WM, but the 3WM will get you drunk faster and more thoroughly. :)
(those of you with a plethora of alcohol in your cabinet who are dying to try these with a friend may feel free to e-mail me for the recipe, if you can't find anyone that knows it locally.)
> i tried drinking saki with my apartmentmate last week, and i almost died!
Yikes!! Why not just do shots of Bacardi 151 and go easy! :)
From: Scotch <anthem@virginia.edu> > To: The Booze Crew <ytsejam@ax.com> > Subject: The Ytsejam Drinking Game! > Message-ID:
> While reading the increasing number of PWI's (posting while intoxicated) on > the 'jam, it occurred to me that a whole new dimension of enjoyment could > be added to the already Fun and Exciting world of the Ytsejam Mailing List > with the help of some behavioral modification beverage
YES YES YES!! (think Beavis & Butthead when "I'm Broken" went on)
> Take a sip if... > > someone > someone asks how to get Acoustic Dreams
You'd be surprised; people still ask me if Subconscious is available, and "is it shipping yet?" It's pretty freaky! :)
> one of the foreign 'jammers totally butchers the English language
Usually it's the _domestic_ Jammers who are making a mockery of the King's English... those who have learned it as a second language usually do remarkably well, I find. Hell of a lot better than I do at their language! :) I can read and write Japanese at around a 2nd-grade level after studying it for a year, and yet those smart Japanese 'Jammers can understand everything I say, slang included... ah well.
> Mike Bahr imparts some Timeless Wisdom > Mike Bahr provides some handy cocktail recipes > Mike Bahr tells a joke (2 gulps if it's racist)
Hey, I haven't told a racist joke in almost a week, so I guess the gay eskimo lesbian contingent is getting antsy again. :)
Here's a non-racist joke that really hit the spot... What are two words that can clear out a men's room in ten seconds, even at a football stadium at halftime? "Nice Dick!" > you can't fucking stand those little smileys
:)
> Chug your entire drink if... > any romances develop on the 'jam
Hell, if polygamy was legal, I'd marry Jenn, Charone, Anna, Kaoru, Jenniebear, Rachel, Rebecca, AND Jaime the Dragon! :) I'd probably never get anything done, I'd be too busy spending quality time listening to CDs with my wives. (I think there are about six or seven more female Ytsejammers that I'd be happy to invite as well, I just can't remember just now at 3:31 AM.) Now this is assuming they can all either tolerate my general slovenliness and arrogance, or, God willing, that the mystique of being a CD-Man and playing bass in a prog band are enough to mask my less admirable qualities. :)
> you can correctly spell "Borzilleri," "Battaglia," and "Balkiewicz" (2 > chugs if you can pronounce them too)
Heck, I'd be happy if most people could pronounce "Bahr"! :) Then again, all the NFL football fans seem to get it right, and most of the foreign Jammers also get it right. It's the lazy Easterners... that's it!
> you gave up in junior high the things that Mike Bahr now collects
THIS had me rolling!! YES!! heheh. Hey, Star Wars is timeless. Everything else is temporary. Luminescent beings are we, not this crude matter. You must feel the force flowing around you and through you! Size matters not. Judge me by my size, do you?
> someone actually puts forth the effort to write "Dream Theater" instead > of "DT"
What's this about DT again?
> you get the feeling that some 'jammers are blowing their family fortunes > on guitar gear
And chug another when you find out most of them have spent the rest of their money on Magic cards, music memorabilia (DT and Rush specifically) and at pubs.
> Mike Bahr sounds like your dad (start two-fisting if he IS your dad)
As far as I know, the only illegitimate children I've had were by non-Jammers, but they might be listening anyway. I remember at least three sons, named Neil, Alex, and Geddy. :)
> any marriages develop on the 'jam
Hey, it could happen, talk to your congressman about reforming polygamy laws and you never know.
This game to be followed by the Rush urination game, the Blind Melon > projectile vomiting marathon, and the Tori Amos hangover therapy. > >
And to think, Scott, you can draw album covers pretty well too! I think we have our first nominee for the Ytsejam Creativity Award of 1996!
MTFBWY! Mike Bahr, durnik@indirect.com/mikebahr@dreamt.org
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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 10:49:50 -0400 From: kurt@fgallery.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: YTSEJAM digest 1261 Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.2.18.10.49.50.2916992174.253629@bbs.fgallery.com>
is it just me or does the sound Derek Sherinian does on the keys toward the end of Change Of Seasons sounds like a Tie Fighter from Star Wars? Seize The Day- ACOS
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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 11:48:56 -0500 (EST) From: Jeremy P Lakatos <afn39111@afn.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Drunkenness Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.960218114555.56094B-100000@freenet3.freenet.ufl.edu>
What is it about jammers that when they get wasted they feel an uncontrollable urge to post to the jam? Now I'm not an alkie but I always thought there were more fun things to do when you're blitzed. Writing email seems kind of low on my list of excitement.
jeremy <*> afn39111@afn.org (At the Society for Creative Euthanasia...)
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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 09:58:43 -0800 From: m_washke@acad.lvc.edu To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: drinking game Message-ID: <199602181758.JAA26256@mindcrime.ax.com>
Holy Shit! Scott's drinking game was incredibly humorous. I'd try and add in some more rules but I think he got them all. I'll probably be proved wrong on the next jam that comes out however. Man, I'm still laughing.
Mike Washkevich "If all were honest.... Lawyers and locksmiths would be useless." Into Another
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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 18:20:25 +0000 (GMT) From: Mr Who? <ma5jw@bath.ac.uk> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Get your drinks ready. Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960218180750.5442A-100000@slc-26>
In response to Ytsejam 1267, I've decided to participate in the drinking game, so here we go ......
Ok, this is my first post, so bear with me. [lurk off mode]. Hey dudes, "take the time". Unsubscribe!!! (sorry i just can't handle it any longer). Oasis and Blur are shit and DT Rulz!! Why did Kevin have to leave, I'm not sure if Derek can fit into the band. Also, can anyone tell me how to get a copy of acoustic dreams. Which reminds me - "Giving freely wandering promises, a place with decisions i'll fashon, I wont waste another breath", well actually, I will because I don't give a shit, go on, I dare you, flame me if you want, cos I'll just laugh in your face. As a final point I would like to ask Derek a question (when you get a chance to read this post).
See you later
Ytse-Jim
(Funky Beer Monster)
If your not off your face now, go and have one of Steves, sorry Bafu, sorry, no, err, Mike Bahr's 3 Wise Men.
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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 19:37:47 +0100 From: fcavani@pianeta.it (Fabio Cavani) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Extreme and Queen are progressive? Message-ID: <199602181837.TAA04511@ns.pianeta.it>
Hello everybody!
I am another Extreme fan, and this is mainly because I think they can be defined as "progressive" (IMHO). III Sides to every story is one of the albums I like more, and some of the songs can be seen as prog, in different ways: in Cupid's dead and Peacemaker Die there are tempo changes, Stop the World has interesting harmonies, and the songs are quite different one to another (even if their style remains... did you extreme fans notice that parts of Stop the World are VERY similar to others in Song for Love (from Pornograffitti)? And the final song, Everything under the sun, is a real masterpiece, which shows Nuno's ability also as a songwriter. Instead, I really don't like Waiting for the Punchline: of course it's another musical face of the band, but not very original; and the songs are too similar one to another.
I also think Queen can be seen as progressive, in some ways (listen to some songs on Innuendo...). Also MP in an interview stated Queen was one of the first progressive bands.
But of course it depends on what you mean by "progressive" (but I don't wanna bother anyone more with this...)
One final thing about the Maiden argue... I'm Italian, too, and I don't think that response was racist. But I have to say that everyone here has the right to express his opinions, even if he knows that someone else will think the opposite. So it's really shocking to read idiotic responses like that. I don't see the reasons why a behaviour like that should be used. I don't particulary like Iron Maiden, but if somebody told me that III Sides to every story is a piece of crap, I wouldn't surely react that way.
That's all, sorry for the non-DT content...
Fabio
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