YTSEJAM Digest 1274
Today's Topics:
1) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 02/19/96 - 21:00:41" <response@ibmmail.com>
2) The intellect of the Jam
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@emba.uvm.edu>
3) uuhhhhh
by kristopher long <long16@matrix.newpaltz.edu>
4) Birch Hill J-Cards
by Michael.Bradley@mail.cc.trincoll.edu (Michael Bradley)
5) Eddie Vs JP...
by mojoman@pointblank.com
6) The drinking game & Birch Hill tape tree
by Skooc@aol.com
7) Prog Festivals
by Michael Backof <mbacko1@gl.umbc.edu>
8) Log On More Often
by thekid@txdirect.net (Jose Vaquera)
9) The Guitar Hero Debate
by Elliott Kim <ekim01@fiu.edu>
10) Re: Drinking Game
by Elliott Kim <ekim01@fiu.edu>
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1257
by John O Anderson <JOA8053@tntech.edu>
12) Serious Idea
by rtgood@students.wisc.edu (ryan good)
13) Best versions of DT songs
by "Ryan D. Eschauzier" <rdesc@conncoll.edu>
14) The Hangover.
by Scotch <anthem@virginia.edu>
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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 16:01:34 EST
From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 02/19/96 - 21:00:41" <response@ibmmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mail Item Format Warning
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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 16:35:25 -0500 (EST)
From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@emba.uvm.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: The intellect of the Jam
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9602191600.C22879-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: Matthew Sirois <ms014e@uhura.cc.rochester.edu>
> Subject: slowly
>
> strange how as soon as this list went unmoderated i felt like i was in the
> middle of a six grade elementary class - though i wouldn't expect so many
> drunk fools in the sixth grade.
Heh. You didn't go to my junior high! And sixth grade? Surely we're at
least up to eighth grade humor here!
> but as bafu so kindly pointed out, no one is holding me here.
Extreme-ly well said. :)
> i guess that's what makes it so easy to unsubscribe.
Leaving so soon? We have barely begun to get silly. Ah, where are Ytse
and Jam when you need them?
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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 16:57:43 -0500 (EST)
From: kristopher long <long16@matrix.newpaltz.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: uuhhhhh
Message-ID: <199602192157.QAA00271@matrix.newpaltz.edu>
Hey, I was just wondering, does anybody know how many of us there are on the
mailing list here? Just curious.
Kris Long
"They're heading for the medical frigate!" - Wedge Antilles
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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 16:59:26 -0500
From: Michael.Bradley@mail.cc.trincoll.edu (Michael Bradley)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Birch Hill J-Cards
Message-ID: <v01520d00ad4ea248a11c@[157.252.65.110]>
Hey guys!
I just got my tapes of the December Birch Hill show. I haven't
listened to them yet, but I was wondering where I can get the J-Cards that
Brian Cox was talking about. Help!!
Also, this is not Dream Theater (take note all you players of the
ytsejam drinking game!) content, but I still have an extra copy of Steve
Vai's "Alien Love Secrets" unopened and brand-spankin' new. Like I said,
it's an extra, so I'd be willing to trade for any DT/Rush material on very
agreeable terms. SO...let me know!!
-Mike Bradley
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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 17:28:20 -0500
From: mojoman@pointblank.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Eddie Vs JP...
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.2.19.-15.28.20.2377490627.1215643@pointblank.com>
This message is in response to my last post on the Ytsejam....
I didnt bother reading all the stupid flaming in regards to my
statement about Eddie because I think its stupid!
Someone's opinion on a certain guitarist is his opinion, not
your's. Get that straight...ok? You have to understand that I
prayed...(I fucking prayed) to Eddie Van Halen for 9 years.....If you
ask people about me, they will tell you that I was more a follower of
Eddie than anyone else....heres why I stopped....
Eddies new album is good, I'd even say its great...But its
nothing new. I dont like his playing on it....He's not taking any
chances...instead, he's tossing it off as being better music because it
has short solos or no solo's (read GPMs first article with eddie after
he got a haircut)....
He's become what Ted Nuggent calls a "terminally flacid
individual!! One that hasnt had a hard-on for years!" ...(Now nuge was
refering to Lemmy of Motorhead, not Eddie of VH but Its begun to apply
for me!)
Eddie, START DRINKING AGAIN!!! Stop playing the same songs every
concert.....If I hear another concert with "You Really Got Me, Aint
Talkin Bout Love, Panama, Jump" being the only old stuff you do Im
gonna puke!!!
I would LOVE it it if you took the David Weave Roth material out
of the set altoether but, hey change it around...Im sick of it....
Regardless...This is my opinion...screw off, if you dont like
it...
MojoMan
PS. Oh by the way .....
Heres a list of other guitarists who either sucked always or are
becoming an addition to the club:
Jerry Cant~tell
Mike McCrappy
Stone BlowHard
Kurt Corpain
Thurston (no)Moore
Dave Nabarfo
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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 17:45:18 -0500
From: Skooc@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: The drinking game & Birch Hill tape tree
Message-ID: <960219174517_326850892@emout04.mail.aol.com>
>>Alright... now you can get the f**king drinking game on the DT Archives...
so... lets have another beer!!!<<
You know, it would be nice if while the drinking game is being played,
that an audio tape could be put in the tape deck so people on the taping tree
could get their tapes.
Scott Cook
Woke up the next morning with a trash can head
when I looked to my left I wished I was dead
There's Frankenstein's daughter all curled up on me
Said 'I gotta go home it's an emergency'
she said 'But you are home.'
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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 18:14:47 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael Backof <mbacko1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Prog Festivals
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.960219181039.9692A-100000@umbc10.umbc.edu>
Hello Jammers,
Speaking of Progressive Music Festivals...
There is festival in Baltimore, Maryland to be held on Saturday June 29th
and Sunday June 30th at Stephans Hall Theatre on the campus of Towson
State University. It is called Progscape 96 and is brought to you by
Chris Lamka who owns the music store "Of Sound Mind".
You can find information on this on the WWW
http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/progscape.html
I can also field questions. There will be 8 bands and at least one will
be a progressive metal band, 4 bands on each day. The band list will be
finalized within the next month or so.
Later,
Mike
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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 17:15:19 -0600 (CST)
From: thekid@txdirect.net (Jose Vaquera)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Log On More Often
Message-ID: <199602192315.RAA17281@legend.txdirect.net>
I've haven't been on my computer for a few hours, so I just finished
reading through the 4000 digests that posted. And now I have a few opinions.
(Please don't start a flame thread on anything I'm about to say. I'm not
that important. A humble man.)
1) DT opening for Rush. No, sir, didn't like it. I've only had the
opportunity to see Dream Theater twice. On I&W w/Galactic Cowboys, who blew
me away, and on Awake w/Fates Warning & PushMonkey. Both times I got to see
a close-to-2hour show by DT and, to tell you the truth, it spoiled me. It's
kind of hard to see one of your favorite bands in a headline situation and
have to regress to what is essentially a greatest-hits performance. In
addition, the venue would become much less intimate depending on the
popularity of the headliner. While I would enjoy a DT headlined show in a
10000+ setting, a 45 to 50 minute set would not satisfy my addiction.
2) When will everyone get off the "he's a better guitarist" crap. It all
comes down to two simple statements:
a) There are no bests, only favorites.
b) There all still better that me. They sell records, I don't.
So, I hope I've made a dent on the collective consiousness that is the 'jam,
and leave you with the immortal words of Barney the Drunk from the Simpsons:
"You mean this place has an exit"
THE KID
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"Frankly, I don't want to be a part of a progressive rock scene-
I want to be part of a Dream Theater scene." - John Petrucci
"don't ask me, I just work here."
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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 18:16:56 -0500 (EST)
From: Elliott Kim <ekim01@fiu.edu>
To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: The Guitar Hero Debate
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960219181135.28503C-100000@solix>
The last word on this issue has already been said by the esteemed Bafu Vai:
"There is no best. There are only favorites."
Now he's had the last word (once again) on the issue even before it came up!
Elliott Kim Florida International University
ekim01@fiu.edu ekim01@servax.fiu.edu
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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 18:25:39 -0500 (EST)
From: Elliott Kim <ekim01@fiu.edu>
To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Drinking Game
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960219181951.28503E-100000@solix>
One of the items on there pertained to a romance developing on the 'jam.
Well sort of...
Things are looking good in a relationship with someone I was introduced
to by someone I met on the Ytsejam. (Brandon introduced me to Jon. Jon
introduced me to Sheree) Does that count? If so, tilt your glasses back
for the E-Man! :)
Elliott Kim Florida International University
-- ekim01@fiu.edu -- ekim01@servax.fiu.edu -- E-Man@dreamt.org --
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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 17:22:03 -0600 (CST)
From: John O Anderson <JOA8053@tntech.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1257
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> Today's Topics:
>
> 1) Ytsejam
> by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 23:14:15 -0800 (PST)
> From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
> To: kbibb@anthor.arastar.com
> Subject: Ytsejam
> Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91j.960212231109.72740A-100000@homer06.u.washington.edu>
>
> [This should be the last ytsejam@arastar.com post--everything will be
> coming out at ax.com. Well folks, it's been a lot of hard work and
> a lot of time spent keeping this list running. In the end it's the
> music that made it worthwhile :) Since Steve had the last word so many
> times by coincidence, I thought he should have it on purpose this time :D
>
> And if you've been living in a cave, the new subscription addresses are
>
> (unmoderated) send:
> subscribe ytsejam Your Name
> to ytsejam-request@ax.com with a subject of "asdf"
>
> (moderated) send:
> subscribe metropolis Your Name
> to metropolis-request@arastar.com with a subject of "asdf". -- kbibb]
>
> ------------------------------------------
>
> Well, I guess this is goodbye to ytsejam@arastar.com. You know, it seems
> like only yesterday when SloppyJoe69 presented us his dissertation on
> corruption in the goat herd. Boy was that educational. And speaking of
> education... Everything I ever needed to know I learned from Ytsejam.
> Such as:
>
> Don't mess with the guy in charge. He can take the words right out of your
> mouth, even if you curse directly at him. Even worse, he can put words
> into your mouth...without anyone even knowing he did.
>
> Calling yourself "Monkeyboy" will probably not gain you much respect,
> regardless of your situation. "Ktulu" works much better.
>
> Speak highly of your peers, no matter how annoying some of them may be.
> It makes people think you're mature and responsible, and earns you fame
> and respect even though you still despise certain people as much as
> everyone else.
>
> Don't name your child Toxic Waltzer. Whatever he says will automatically
> offend everyone around him.
>
> Ignorance is bliss. Sometimes all it takes is a simple question to be
> flamed to death. So don't ask any questions and nothing will piss you off.
>
> You can find all you need in your mind, if you take the time.
>
> Mental imbalance is contagious. Truly crazy people sometimes have a
> tendency to SpEl lYk dISs. Don't get involved with them. They'll either
> backstab you by banning you from public places after inviting you there,
> or they'll just make you l00z yEr SaNItEE, d00d!!
>
> If someone casually refers to you as a "fucking idiot," don't laugh and
> make a joke about it as if you aren't the least bit offended by the
> nickname. People might think you actually WANT to be called that, and will
> do so every chance they get.
>
> When an elder speaks, listen. (****IMPORTANT**** Especially if they're
> named "Airdance.")
>
> Challenge conformity. If being popular means wearing a sock on your head,
> be the most unknown soul on the face of the earth. Progressive music isn't
> about being cool, it's about being yourself. And most of all, It's About
> Music.
>
> Never blow off someone with the word "Fire" in any part of their name.
> Chances are they have a fiery disposition.
>
> When someone asks you if you're a god, you say YES.
>
> Beware of the sudden removal of the passive voice. You can lurk in the
> shadows and keep a clear record for as long as you want, and you'll have
> all the friends in the world. But it only takes one public voicing of an
> opinion to establish your personality in a block of marble for eternity.
>
> Exercise patience. Don't rush a project if it requires more time or
> effort. You never know, there might be a scorpion lying in wait for when
> you decide to force things.
>
> A degree in anything is not necessarily a magic wand that will instantly
> command the respect of your peers and make your opinions the most valid.
> Berklee is no fucking guarantee.
>
> Make your mark as an individual when you can. Don't end up announcing your
> entrance to the world with "Hi, I'm Greg Chew, Jeff Chew's brother."
>
> There is no "best" anything. Only favorites.
>
> Playing by the rules won't always keep you out of trouble. Sometimes it
> can make you seem downright arrogant, even if you're writing in the first
> person and happen to naturally make heavy usage of "I" and "me" as
> dictated by the English language.
>
> Not everything fits into a definite category. Some things you shouldn't
> try to rank or define. Make enough top five lists, and soon you'll be
> making top-five lists of top-five lists.
>
> Never argue about plants with a gardener. And if you do, make sure you
> argue in a slaughterhouse, where the guy in charge isn't interested in
> plants. Then at least you'll have the Boss on your side when the argument
> becomes so heated that someone must be removed from the slaughterhouse.
>
> Sometimes all it takes to make two guitarists see eye to eye is a
> keyboardist.
>
> Don't underestimate what isn't apparent. The guy making things happen
> behind the scenes and steering the ship probably isn't a fool. In fact,
> he's probably the brains behind the whole operation.
>
> No guts, no glory. You have a voice and you have an opinion. Don't shrink
> back beneath the opposition, make yourself heard. And when you do speak,
> make sure everyone remembers your name. Balls and chunk are where it's at.
>
> And above all: SEIZE THE DAY!!!
>
>
>
> Bafu Vai
>
>
> p.s. special thanks to Elliott Kim for presenting me with the lone title
> of "Everything I ever needed to know I learned from the Ytsejams" and
> prodding me to go with it. cool idea. he also suggested the quote from
> "Take The Time."
>
> Peace out ya'll. I guess she's watched long enough, now she's finally
> taking us to our home...
>
>
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>
> End of YTSEJAM Digest 1257
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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 17:36:42 -0600
From: rtgood@students.wisc.edu (ryan good)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Serious Idea
Message-ID: <199602192336.RAA45974@audumla.students.wisc.edu>
To whomever had the idea about the Progressive Music Festival-
You know, I've had the same thing going through my mind lately.
Remember in the late 80's how pop and glam rock was SO incredably popular?
And at the same time, college radio was playing "alternative" and "grunge"
rock. Well, in the mid 90's, the popular music is what college music used
to be in the late 80's. College radio now has a LOT of prog rock shows
(more than I thought, at least, after some research) and other than that,
I'm not sure what the "average" college radio station plays. So, by
reasonable deduction, does this mean that in the future (2000) the stuff
being played on the college radio circut, prog rock, will be the popular
stuff like alternative music became the popular in the 90's??
What I say all this for is this: If late 80's college radio
EVENTUALLY spawned Lollapalooza, could the mid-late 90's college radio
influence a Progressive festival???
I can see it now. Definately takes place inside. Medium sized
venue, not large to ruin the together-atmosphere, and not too small, because
by then, there will be more fans. Won't visit as many places as Lolla, but
will travel to places within driving distance of people's abodes. Probably
two stages. By then, there will be spawns of "progressive rock", like more
technical Watchtower-like groups, special "magna-carta" feature times (oh,
between 3-9 o'clock), more electric-synth bands, anglagard, and so forth,
heavy prog like old Atheist, more mellow stuff, it all.
What would there be for booths?? Lolla has hemp legalization and
body piercing, so what could the prog fest have?? Any ideas? What could we
do to make this somewhat a reality?? Whoever's serious, post and let
whoever needs to know know. Just imagine.....
____________________________________
"Through Nature's Inflexable Grace, I'm Learning to Live." - Dream Theater
name - Ryan T. Good
e-mail - rtgood@students.wisc.edu
phone - 1-(608)-264-2268
what - Madison Student Radio
who - Music Staff (Music Stapher)
which kind - Progressive Rock/Heavy Metal
why - why not?
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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 18:37:48 -0500 (EST)
From: "Ryan D. Eschauzier" <rdesc@conncoll.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Best versions of DT songs
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9602191816.A654-0100000@dsys.cc.conncoll.edu>
I was wondering what everyone thought about the best versions of DT songs
that they've heard. I personally think it's really hard to come close to
the studio versions in terms of quality and especially sound. I think
the best version of LSOAD is on Acoustic Dreams, and Take the Time from
the Japan PPV. Actually, I don't think I've heard a better version of
The Mirror than on the Japan PPV either. I think that To Live Forever
has got to be the Lie single, simply because the added lyrics in the end
are IMO the best part of the song. Moon Bubbles is best on the Images
and Words Live in Tokyo video. Surrounded is best in the studio; while
The killing Hand never sounded better than on Live at The Marquee. What
do you all think?
I also had a question about the insert to WDATU. Under To Live
Forever, the lyrics printed "I felt you aware...." aren't even in this
version of the song. Well, I guess it is sorta cool in that way. I
think that Status Seeker may be the song that is improved the most with
James singing. Thanks.
2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 *
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"A Bridge is not a high place "Stealthily Attacking
The fifty second floor By-Tor slays his foe
Icarus would know The men are free to run now
A mountain isn't far to fall In the labyrinth below"
When you've fallen from the moon."
-Steve Hogarth -Neil Peart
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rdesc@conncoll.edu Ryan Eschauzier '97 (860) 439-4085
Connecticut College
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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 18:03:29 -0500
From: Scotch <anthem@virginia.edu>
To: A Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: The Hangover.
Message-ID: <v01540b00ad4ea7ffeba6@bootp-234-126.bootp.virginia.edu>
Word up, G's.
It has turned out to be a good weekend. It appears that I've achieved
immortality, now that the Drinking Game is up on the archives (thanks Nug
and Dr. Mosh, chug one on me) and on Jeff Chew's (snicker) web page (the
best of the bunch). Thanks to all who responded-- hope you all had as much
fun reading it (and playing it) as I had writing it. Remember, though,
boys and girls, that I'm just holding up the mirror to what's always been
there. Oooh, profound, ain't it? Pretend I'm Mike Bahr and chug.
You'd be amazed how little time it took to write-- I scribbled lines on 3
sheets of paper before dinner, and I typed it in on my Powerbook while
watching Project ALF (it sucked, but I miss ALF). I then went out with
some friends, watched the nudie scene of Animal House, witnessed a car
crash, and got hammered at Sigma Pi. In case you wanted to know.
Neil Gallop, it's good to hear from you. Where've you been, Germany or
something? Achtung, baby.
Mike Bahr, no hard feelings-- you'll still put my art on the covers of your
CD's, right...?. BTW, is it pronounced "bear" or "bar"? You say tomato, I
say tomahto. Star Wars rocks-- but I'll judge you by your size if I want
to, muthafucka! ("Nice Dick!")
Graham Borland, old chap-- your bloody pint of bitter is on its way, as
soon as I figure out how to digitize the bastard. Oh, bloody hell. Bugger
MY arse, you silly English kannnnnniggitt! (Jolly good, jolly good...
cheerio, mate.)
Damon Fibraio-- sorry to hear that you don't drink. For those of you
non-drinkers out there, please substitute all drinking commands with
"Stroke yourself X times if..." and you'll have just as much fun (how
exactly did you go blind, Damon?). Or combine that with the drinking and
you've got yourself an average college weekend.
Anyone else I mentioned, Thank You, You're Welcome, or I'm Sorry, depending
on your point-of-view. Chug-a-lug, quick, before this thread dies!
Remember the Ancient Maxim: liquor before beer, you're in the clear; beer
before liquor, never sicker (or get drunk quicker).
Whoever wanted to know the name of Robert Plant's pre-Zep band with a
Tolkien name, that would be Hobbstweedle. (Ever read "Bored of the Rings,"
Gandalf? Frito, Pepsi, and Legolamb wandering through the kingdom of
Gonad?)
Also, some of you liquor connosieurs out there, I think it would be
extraordinarily cool to invent some mixed drinks specifically for the 'jam.
I can see it now... the Glass Moon, the Killing Hand, the Bombay Vindaloo,
the Silent Man, um... the Erotomania Punch. Yo, if you need a
taste-tester, give me a buzz! (pun fully intended)
I don't know... I just get that warm feeling inside when I realize that I'm
cultivating Bacchalian behavior on the 'jam. The beautiful thing is that
this is one subject that the government WILL NEVER BAN.
Scott.
anthem@virginia.edu
"I care." -- Luke Skywalker, intergalactic pussy
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