YTSEJAM Digest 1294
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Subconcious price question from Scott Daugherty
by JamesArin@aol.com
2) A Change of Seasons (Subcon vs. Studio)
by Baron Sengir <tsbileci@beta.loyno.edu>
3) YES! No moderation!
by Baron Sengir <tsbileci@beta.loyno.edu>
4) opening for Maiden?
by Conrad Chi <uchic00@mcl.ucsb.edu>
5) WDaTU
by Baron Sengir <tsbileci@beta.loyno.edu>
6) one minute we're brothers and sisters, and now raging enemies
by WildKoba@aol.com
7) More Bafu than meets the eye
by Baron Sengir <tsbileci@beta.loyno.edu>
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1292
by "Randall W. Aquino" <aquinor@pacificu.edu>
9) Glass Hammer, "Laussade"
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
10) Derek's sexuality.../Ben L./IRC
by esb01@students.stir.ac.uk (E. Ballinger)
11) Re: Flaming me about Derek
by borlangw <borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1288
by babs@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu (Barb Battaglia)
13) Any fans at Grinnell College
by David Thornton <DTHORNTO@TRINITY.EDU>
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 21:51:47 -0500
From: JamesArin@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Subconcious price question from Scott Daugherty
Message-ID: <960225215146_153367784@emout10.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 96-02-25 18:28:05 EST, you write:
> Another thing: I'm grateful to the fellow who is willing to make copies of
> Subconcious, but since the copy won't include the cover art or liner notes,
> etc., shouldn't it be a little cheaper?
>
> See ya,
>
> Scott Daugherty
I hear you Scott but the CD's will have a cover and the same liner notes
but I am making them look different so as not to take away from the
collectable nature of the original.
Later, Jim Colberg
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 21:03:36 +0000 (GMT)
From: Baron Sengir <tsbileci@beta.loyno.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: A Change of Seasons (Subcon vs. Studio)
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.960225203456.11381G-100000@beta.loyno.edu>
Well, I finally got to hear the Subcon version of ACoS (thanks, Jodi). I
must say that I like the studio version a LOT more! And I don't see the
big deal about the missing "Please Don't Go." Sure, it would have been
nice if James would have kept the "Please Don't Go" in the studio
version, but it's not a HUGE difference. I just think the studio version
sounds 10 times better than the live Subcon version, with or without
"Please don't go."
Paul
Baron Sengir emerges from his coffin once again
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 21:15:46 +0000 (GMT)
From: Baron Sengir <tsbileci@beta.loyno.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: YES! No moderation!
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.960225204058.11381H-100000@beta.loyno.edu>
Dis be what Bafu wrote:
> Whoah, this is like...the "new" Ytsejam... A Ytsejam of reckless abandon,
> throwing caution and patience to the wind. Chaos walks through the door,
> and moderation flies out the window. A mailing list without fear, and
> hopefully sometimes without logic, because arguments are always more fun
> when the participants can't speak a common language. I mean, most of the
Yes! Chaos! Anarchy! Aggression! Errantry! Marton Stromgald!
> people here choose to speak English, but who says they have to? Maybe one
> of these days we'll see some intrepid, free will-choosing soul do a flame
> entirely in morse code.
Better yet...BRAILLE. Actually, I may try to write a message in Ewokese
or maybe Huttese. Eee chop yub nub! Oona goota, Solo?
> And why are there no semaphore keys on my keyboard? After all, de
> antwoorden zijn altijd al aanwezig. And binnen al kwestie, for that
> matter...
Exactly.
> So since it's a new mailing list, do we all get to re-introduce ourselves?
> Hello, I'm Bafu Vai. Pleased to meet you. Of course I'm a Ytsejammer, you
> don't need to see my identification. Move along.
You can't frighten us with your sorcerous ways, Lord Bafu! Your sad
devotion to that ancient religion is no match for the power of this
digest! This digest is now the ultimate power in the universe.
> Speaking of new lists, do we all get new .sigs too? Can I flame people
> now? Make fun of Ken Bibb and Ryan Skadberg and Mike Bahr ALL at the same
> time? What's that? AND praise Dream Theater? Hey, sounds like a good deal.
Yeah, that'll work.
> How many digests do you think it'll take before people stop saying "since
> this is a new list we should blah blah blah" or "let's not start out the
> new list by blah blah blah" or "what do you mean WHO is he? he's blah blah
> blah." I give it ten, maybe fifteen digests. Odds are 4 to 1 against me.
> (Hold yourself back, Augie.)
Let's not start out the new list by having Bafu Vai talk about how people
will start off the new list by saying "Let's not start off the new list
by..." or "Since this is a new list..." Oh, whoops. Too late.
> (Silly obligatory last-minute reminder to new eyes: there may not be
> moderation on this list, but the one established yet unspoken intolerance
> here is the force-feeding of opinions. Flooders, preachers, and avid
> complainers will promptly be refused smiley faces. We don't mean to be
> rude, d00d, but if you don't like what you see here, nobody wants to take
> you prisoner.)
I don't like you. He doesn't like you either. You just watch yourself.
We're wanted men. I have the death sentence on 12 systems.
> No, the main problem with X-Factor is that those metal wings would really
> weigh Archangel down. They're not feathers, after all.
No, no, no. Archangel isn't even WITH X-factor any more! Get your X-books
straight! There's only like 50 of them. The main problem is that if
Polaris doesn't be careful, she could screw up Forge's bionic arm and
leg. Of course, if Havok goes nuts and blows everything up, then I guess
we won't have to worry about that.
> > What drugs are you on you fool? Blaze was never MEANT to be a fill in
> > for Bruce, he was the man REPLACING Bruce..BIG difference. How can he
> > clone Bruce if his voice range is totally different?
>
> Hey, they cloned Peter Parker. Anything is possible.
And let's not even get into how many times Jean Grey's come back from the
dead...
> > I Highly doubt you went to the concert you idiot. They haven't come
> > your way yet, god you are so stupid.
>
> Yeah, I know what you mean. It's a shame I couldn't enjoy those DT holiday
> shows out in New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut, what with me living in
> Seattle and all...
Whoa! You live in Seattle??? THAT explains how you're so cool.
> > Its idiots like you that destry Maiden, get a life and get lost. You
> > have no clue what your talking about and probably don't even know the
> > name of the other guitarist in Maiden.
>
> Yeah, you destructive idiot! Stop criticizing Dream Theater! Wait, you're
> not talking about Dream Theater...
What? You mean that whole X-factor thing didn't have anything do with
Dream Theater? I'd have thought it would have since this is the Dream
Theater digest and all. You mean X-factor isn't some new bootleg from
Mike Barr featuring recordings of Charlie Dominici and James LaBrie
singing in the shower (no, not together, silly)?
> > -I hope that your doubts are cleared and I wait for your opinions.
> > -Bye
> >
> > My doubts are clear, clear that your an idiot.
>
> My doubts are idiotic, idiotic that you are clear. Your idiotic clarity is
> doubtful, too...
Idiotically clear, you freaking* idiot.
* I'd say the real F-word, but I don't want some governmetn official
knocking on my door and fining me $200,000 because I said a nasty word on
the Internet.
> Bafu Vai
>
> (new extended .sig)
>
>
It's still not long enough.
Okay, enough Bafu content...
> From: KTYA28B@prodigy.com (MS DEBBIE M VESTAL)
> Subject: Dixie Dregs...
>
> >Do Dixie Dregs still exist?What's their good albums?
> As far as I know, they broke up years ago...though I would love to find
> out I'm wrong!!! I think that NIGHT OF THE LIVING DREGS is a classic...it
> might also be the easiest to find.
Just what is a DREG anyway?
Paul
I am Baron Sengir! Hear me...um...suck blood and stuff.
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 19:23:16 -0800 (PST)
From: Conrad Chi <uchic00@mcl.ucsb.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: opening for Maiden?
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.960225192045.29593B-100000@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu>
Does anybody know who is opening for Maiden on this U.S.
tour?
Thanks.
Conrad
-I never thought I would miss censored jams.. till now.-
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 21:26:15 +0000 (GMT)
From: Baron Sengir <tsbileci@beta.loyno.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: WDaTU
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.960225212245.11381I-100000@beta.loyno.edu>
Let me just say that I got my two copies of WDaTU (#149 and #150). Thanks
a lot, Mike! And I also have to thank him for completing my Magic Ice Age
collection as he sent me the last 5 cards I needed for the set!
Oh yeah, and WDaTU is great, but I AM disappointed by the low quaility of
TOWHTSTS since that's my favorite song from WDADU. Otherwise, it's a
great CD.
Paul
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 22:44:06 -0500
From: WildKoba@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: one minute we're brothers and sisters, and now raging enemies
Message-ID: <960225224405_333057789@emout07.mail.aol.com>
man it seems eveywhere i step people are beating each other silly.
let's evaluate this.
who derek fucks:
this was in part started by i, in my post stating that the whole thing with
the tori list was just beyond my world for me because i had to go thru a lot
of stuff i didn;t need to read about, as in "who tori slept with."
i responded that it's good that i don't have to sit here on the ytsejam and
debate who derek fucks (paraphrased- i forgot exactly how i put it). anyway,
next thing i see, someone's trying to portray derek as a homo, and then we
get "doomo" and then that all got messy.
stop it, please. you are doing yourselves no good in debating silly things
like this. jeez. if someone has an idea where this argument is going, please
tell me, because i have no goddamn clue.
mojoman, one very angry mutha fucka who i don't wanna fuck with:
as evinced in the latest post, he is pissed. maybe reasonably so. again, in
some wacky way, this invloves me as well, with my recent post about the
mindless dribble (imo) in the tori list. whoever mentioned that he poses no
value to the jam, man, what's up with you?? crack? he made his opinions
clear. he may be wrong or his opinion may be unpopular (or we just might be
the crack-ass smokin freaks), but i don't see where issues of one's value to
this jam are relevant.
i just thought i'd mention my views on this. stop bitchin, if you disagree,
do it with some sense of intelligence, and not tell people they are worthless
or are doing this for attention. goddamn!
anyways, back to better things.
this dt tribute thing seems interesting, but for some reason(s), i am a
little concerned about its success. would this work? i really dig what
someone said about sending all the recordings to a guy to make the final mix.
i would like to contribute, if it goes into the air, on a tune like 600, wfs
or pmu on the keys, providing this works.
and if bafu wants the iron shiek back, i want the dynamite kid and the
junkyard dog back!
so peace out, and check ya later.
david, the kobayashi
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 22:05:01 +0000 (GMT)
From: Baron Sengir <tsbileci@beta.loyno.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: More Bafu than meets the eye
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.960225213532.11381J-100000@beta.loyno.edu>
But first...
> From: "Ryan D. Eschauzier" <rdesc@conncoll.edu>
> Subject: Spider-Bafu
>
> Bafu's post about the guy talking about Iron Maiden was hilarious. As a
> huge comic book fan, it was great to see. The metal wings will weigh him
> down....HILARIOUS! Anyway, I have WDATU #123 and it is obviously great.
You want hilarious? Did anyone see Generation X last Tuesday? OUCH!
> I really like the version of Status Seeker, though. I was really
> impressed with TOWHTSTS as well. Yeah, it is probably the worst quality
> on the disk, but wow! It seems a lot heavier to me, which I think suits
> the song well. And I love the way James sings on OAMOT, especially the
> "When Dream and Day Unite, Tonight" part.
I'm still miffed about TOWHTSTS having the worst quality on the disc. I'm
sure it wasn't Mike's fault, though...I mean, if it was, I'd just have to
mail him a few scorpions. <G> Nevermind the fact that scorpions are about
as scarce here in Louisiana as swampland is in Arizona.
> I would love to hear studio versions of these songs with James singing.
Yeah, me too.
> 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 *
For some strange reason, I now have this burning urge to pop in my 2112
CD and listen to that 20-minute epic.
Now, for some Bafu...
> From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
> Subject: x 10^23
Wow, that's a lot of subjects.
> Behold, a mole of fishpole-trolls, taking a stroll to the old fishin'
> hole. What do trolls do with fishpoles? They troll, of course. How droll.
Huh? You and Ytse-Ben should collaborate and write a book of poetry.
> Better than that other sickness, "fell into my bowl of cereal without me
> noticing until I coughed up a hairball." Sorry to hear it, man. I'll light
> a calico candle...
>
> ..speaking of Hairball, where is Hairball?
Um...in the liner notes for WDATU? <G>
> > Look, we're on our own here. Sort of like _Lord of the Flies_.
>
> So pass the conch already. Who's going to keep the signal-fire going?
No way, man! Lord of the Flies is the first song on the X-factor CD which
is a combination Iron Maiden / Dream Theater CD featuring Archangel's
heavy wings, Spider-man clones, James and Chuck D singing in the shower
(not together), and a special appearance by Bruce Dickenson singing
Rush's "Tears." Not to mention that it's a Mike Bahr bootleg legally
released by Magna Carta.
> > Once again, we get to govern our own list.
>
> In the words of Andrew Jackson, "The majority is to govern."
In the words of Grand Moff Tarkin, "Fear will keep the local systems in
line."
> > I thought that you would all like to know that it has now been a year
> > since I sent tapes to Al. What have I received in that year-NOTHING from
> > him.
>
> I thought that you would all like to know that it has now been a decade
> since I started being good for Santa Claus. How many Optimus Primes have I
> received in that decade-NONE from him. (I did manage to snag the last
> Constructicon after much searching, though. Boy, when those guys formed
> Devastator, whoo-waah, step back...)
I don't think I ever did get all of Devatator. I had the Arialbots and
the Technobots, though.
> > He keeps saying he will send them to me. Does anyone else think that
> > this is totally ridiculous?
>
> About as ridiculous as Santa Claus getting off his jolly ol' butt and
> sending a jolly ol' big red Mack-truck Autobot my way...
Especially since BOTH of the old Mack-truck Optimus Primes are no longer
produced. Of the course the later version was a black truck, not red.
Now, you'll have to hope for the NEW Optimus Prime, which I think is a bat.
> Write a letter to the North Pole. If Santa can't track his ass down from
> the "Bad" list, I don't know who can.
Maybe if you do the world a favor and take down both Al Whatshisname and
Susan Moscardini, then Santa will finally send you that Optimus Prime.
But don't be disappointed if it's a bat, not a mack truck.
> > My emails to him bounce now. I hope that after a year of excuses he
> > hasn't screwed me over like Jeremy Haynes.
>
> Disguise yourself at the next Ytsecon and walk around shouting, "Candygram
> for Al Balkiewicz!" Worked in Blazing Saddles...
There's a snake coming out the darkness
Parade from paradise
End the need for Eden
Chase the dreams of merchandise
There is tic and toc in atomic
Leaders make a deal
Cosmic is largely comic
A con they couldn't conceal
There is no safe seat at the feast
Take your best stab at the beast
The night is turning thin
The sait is turning to sin
Whoops! That's ANAGRAM for Mongo (lyrics by Peart).
> Bafu Vai
>
>
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> End of YTSEJAM Digest 1263
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And it looks like Bafu gets the last word in AGAIN! How DOES he do it?
Paul
The world is NOT a vampire, but I am
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 22:28:22 -0800 (PST)
From: "Randall W. Aquino" <aquinor@pacificu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1292
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960225222318.29742A-100000@tabitha.pacificu.edu>
>WTF??? Would anyone besides me consider this 50 paragraph post about
>ordering magazines to be annoying to see on the jam? If you read it, you
>know what I'm talking about...to top it off, there are so many rules to it
>that it seems more of a hassle than it's worth. Be a lot easier in the long
>run to just go to the store and buy one!
>
>She states here not to email her because she has no time! REALLY?? She had
>enough time to post a 5 page sales pitch! She's getting email from me:)
>
>buster
I totally agree with you there Buster! I thought that it was
basic COMMON SENSE not to send something like this to the past. It has
not a damn thing to do with DT or music at all! I say we all send this
lady a vicious e-mail telling her how idiotic she is. I could handle one
paragraph telling us about her business and if we wanted more info we
could e-mail her and then have her send us the essay instead of having
her send it to the jam. It was just more convenient for her to send it to
the jam. Man people are ignorant sometimes! Times like these make me wish
for moderation. Only for times like this though!
Randy
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 22:31:30 -0800 (PST)
From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Glass Hammer, "Laussade"
Message-ID: <199602260631.AA07233@crl3.crl.com>
Since I posted about Glass Hammer I've since discovered they'll be
playing a show AGAIN at Atlanta's big summer sf/fantasy/comics/gaming
convention, Dragon*Con, in mid-June -- they played last year, too.
The URL for the con home-page is http://www.dscga.com/~dragoncon, but
this might be new enough that GH isn't listed (I edited their group
bio last night for our progress report, and that gets sent to the Web
page, too, so it's probably too early).
Pronunciation of "Laussade":
Laus + sade
"laws" + "sharday"
(heh)
(Ben, I'm joking; if this -is- the correct pronunciation, shoot me.)
-- ... Paul W. Cashman vanyel@crl.com www.crl.com/~vanyel ......... . Though we live in trying times, we're the ones who have to try . . Though we know that time has wings, we're the ones who have to fly . ................ "Everyday Glory" N. Peart ......................------------------------------
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 13:04:34 +0000 From: esb01@students.stir.ac.uk (E. Ballinger) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Derek's sexuality.../Ben L./IRC Message-ID: <v01520d00ad575b5223d5@[139.153.41.144]>
In Jam 1290 Brian wrote: >Edd, I have no problem. I think Derek has a lot of talent. Me and my friends >just have this feeling that he's gay. If you watch the Awake in japan video, >to me it sounds like when James introduces Derek, that guy in the crowd is >shouting "I like men", and hten they put the camera on Derek, he raises his >arm, and if you read his lips, it looks like he's saying "I'm a homo". Just a >thought.
Hehe. Is Derek gay? Does it matter? Thinking about it, he's the only one in the band without long hair...and you know what they say about men with long hair.. (I'll probably regret saying that as alarge proportion of the Jam no doubt have long hair! - Sorry n that!) .. Maybe I'm just confusing the issue too much... Or maybe it's just time to drop the subject. hehe.
Ben is French. His surname is pronounced La-sod, or in english, The git. hehe - it's what's for breakfast.
I get the feeling that There's not too many europeans log onto the DT IRC server when the USA lot are on.(Because of the time difference etc) I think we should organise one day that we can all log on and make our presence felt. It would be better if we did it at the weekend (so we could sleep the next day), say fri/sat night. (UK time) Anyone else up for this? Graeme? To the USA Jammers: when's the busiest time/day? Time to go.....
Cheers... Edd. __________ ___ http://web.students.stir.ac.uk/~esb01 ______/ __ /\_________/ /\______________________________________ / __ __ /_ / // __ __ __/__ __ __ __ __ _ __ __ /\ / /_//_ / // // /_ / / // //_//\ / /_ /_ / // /_// / //_/ / / / /_ __//_//_// @ __/ / /_//_//_ / // __/. __/ / // . / //_ . /_// \ / / /_____________________________________________________________________/ / edd \_____________________________________________________________________\/ 1995
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 12:36:09 GMT From: borlangw <borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Flaming me about Derek Message-ID: <9602261236.AA08664@saunders.dcs.gla.ac.uk>
Brian wrote (about Derek): > Me and my friends just have this feeling that he's gay.
Who gives a damn anyway? It's about music.
Graham B. ____________________________________________________________________________ | | | Graham Borland, borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk, http://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/~borlangw |:: |____________________________________________________________________________|:: ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 08:17:24 -0500 (EST) From: babs@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu (Barb Battaglia) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1288 Message-ID: <v01510101ad571d61f6fd@[137.238.26.12]>
> >Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 16:32:43 -0700 >From: Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net> >To: ytsejam@ax.com >Subject: DT Tribute album >Message-ID: <199602232332.QAA23971@maple.enet.net> > >About this: > Maybe if we wait till summer. Then, people would be on vacation, >and could maybe actually get together in an actual studio and record >something.
Hello everyone, it's BABS. Wow, this kind of sounds funky? It would be neat to do something like that - utilize the 'jams talent. I wonder what the band would think? Better yet, maybe I don't want to know (giggle). Sounds like fun though.
Everybody, sing with me in unison "We are the world, we are the Ytsejam..."
Ok, enough of my torment. In all honesty though it sounds like a lot of fun.
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 96 13:50:27 CST From: David Thornton <DTHORNTO@TRINITY.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Any fans at Grinnell College Message-ID: <199602261334.FAA12241@mindcrime.ax.com>
I'm visiting a friend at Grinnell College in Iowa and I was wondering if there were any Dream Theater fans attending the same college. There aren't too many fans where I go to school, but I'm learning to live. (Now take that shot because that is definetly an overused title-turned-cliche :)
Too late for later . . .
The Guy With the Same Initials as His Favorite Band
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