YTSEJAM Digest 1298
Today's Topics:
1) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 02/27/96 - 18:53:15" <response@ibmmail.com>
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1297
by Brad Kane <jc309@columbia.edu>
3) Van Halen/Queensryche/Type O Negative
by DreamNDay@aol.com
4) The "John Petrucci" Sound
by thunder@UFCC.UFL.EDU
5) Live and Unmonderated
by John Mastin <johnny@psisa.com>
6) Note to various Brians
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
7) JP's dad
by "Jordan Garelick" <JGARELICK@EPO.SOM.SUNYSB.Edu>
8) Awake Steal!
by szucseue@saber.udayton.edu
9) DT tribute
by rbarker@epix.net
10) Tunings
by Scotch <anthem@virginia.edu>
11) DT tribute....
by mojoman@pointblank.com
12) heheheheh
by "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
13) Keyboards
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1294
by DreamNDay@aol.com
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1294
by DreamNDay@aol.com
16) Thanx Neil!
by DreamNDay@aol.com
17) This tribute
by Darren Redick <yusckx@private.nethead.co.uk>
18) IRC update...
by Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
19) King of the Jam
by Darren Redick <yusckx@private.nethead.co.uk>
20) 10 years later....
by KTYA28B@prodigy.com (MS DEBBIE M VESTAL)
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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 13:58:27 EST
From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 02/27/96 - 18:53:15" <response@ibmmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mail Item Format Warning
Message-ID: <199602271858.KAA07441@mindcrime.ax.com>
The mail item that you sent at 18:53:19 GMT on 27 Feb 1996 has been delivered.
However, it has been necessary to convert this item into a
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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 14:01:16 -0500 (EST)
From: Brad Kane <jc309@columbia.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1297
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960227140017.242A-100000@bonjour.cc.columbia.edu>
> Actually, I heard that Derek has the underwear of every woman he's slept
> with, lined up on the walls of his room. ewwwwwwww....
>
> Greg :)
Really? I wonder if my friend will be flattered or disgusted? Greg, you
know who I'm talking about right? (the closet at the Malibu)
Yours,
Jeff =)
<*> Jeff Chew <*> jc309@columbia.edu <*> (212) 853-6952 <*>
<*> http://www.columbia.edu/~jc309 <*>
<*> Lifting Shadows : http://www.columbia.edu/~jc309/dreamt.html <*>
"Lifting Shadows Off a Dream once broken, she can turn a drop of
water into an ocean" -- John Myung, Dream Theater
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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 15:16:27 -0500
From: DreamNDay@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Van Halen/Queensryche/Type O Negative
Message-ID: <960227151624_432963952@mail06.mail.aol.com>
Does anyone know of the addresses for any VH QR or TON mailing lists that I
as a non-subscriber can post to?
later--------------Brian
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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 15:19:14 EST
From: thunder@UFCC.UFL.EDU
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: The "John Petrucci" Sound
Message-ID: <0099E8AF.6AB50760.163@UFCC.UFL.EDU>
Does anyone know how to get the JP sound without going out and shelling out
$3000 for a Tri-Axis and a Mesa power-amp?, I have a Mesa DC-3 Combo and a
Peavey Rockmaster pre-amp, does anyone know how to tweak these things to
acheive "the sound"?
On a different note, whats the bullshit about Sherinian sexuality, who
gives a fuck!, Ive been listening to Rush for years, even though Peart is gay.
and finally I must ask WHEN ARE DREAM THEATER GOING TO COME TO FLORIDA!!!!!, Ive
been waiting for 4 years and I cant seem to catch them........
And now for some CD reccomendations:
1) Tony MacAlpine-"Evolution"-Prog/Classical/Rock/Jazz guitar with fretless basswizard: Tony Franklin (from the Firm, and Gary Hoey albums).
2) Steve Vai-EVERYTHING
3) Steve Morse-"Coast to coast"-great jazz/fusion guitars with amazing bass
playing by Dave Larue (Berklee grad)
4) Al DiMeola-"Casino"-Latin prog music, john petrucci style is very reminiscentof Al Dimeolas.
and theres plenty of other good shit out there, so read magazines and check out
some stuff.
BTW, I know this is a DT group, but does anyone have any Steve Vai bootleg (any
clinics, or show, or anything?)....welp lata
Thunder
a.k.a. Gasious Anamoly
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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 14:29:49 -0600 (CST)
From: John Mastin <johnny@psisa.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Live and Unmonderated
Message-ID: <199602272029.OAA20822@psa.pencom.com>
Hmm, I've been a lurker for a while (since the YJ on ax.com started) but here
are some things that I found a little interesting...
The Great Ghost queries:
> WHY ARE THERE SO MANY??!! How can you possibly read all these? I get 3
> Ytsejams per every 1 of the other newsletters I subscribe to.
>
This, Mr. Ghost, is due to the Jam not being moderated anymore. Anything that
anyone says comes right through. (like this post) Many people have posted
their feelings about the newly acquired freedom of the YJ since it has moved
over to ax.com. But has anyone ever thought about what a great service Ken was
doing while he gave up his time to sort through the 15 line .sig files? How
about the guy's mailbox that keeps sending back canned messages? You know, Mr.
RESPONSE at IBMMAIL. When Ken was moderating the list, you would have never
seen this. Why? Because he took the time to try and contact the remote side
and have the issue resolved. Ken asked for everyone to pitch in but no one
wanted to side with him because they were too busy screaming about "freedom of
speech". Ken wasn't trying to take it away but that is what was perceived. Now
everyone should be happy. Why aren't you?
The fellow who goes by the name of Mape wrote:
> There's been so much babble about Mr. Sherinians sexuality and
> Ms. Amos and other as unimportant topics that I'm starting to
> wonder if any of the posting persons ever has anything better
> to do that to deliberately raise waves in the 'jam....
>
Well, Mr. Mape, there is this freedom of speech thing that everyone here is so
hyped up on lately. But you too, have a voice and your "wondering" is shared
by more than just yourself.
Matt Rosin writes:
> why do people keep post those presidential "do you remember the bill of
> rights?" forwards to the jam? i'm sure most of us have already found
> that forward in our mailboxes at least several times already, so give it
> a rest, people.
>
One reason is because it mentions the freedom of speech and we all know how
much we love that talk around here! :|
Thunder writes:
> PS excuse my waste of bandwidth.....
>
No apologies necessary. We all need to vent every now and then! (including
this post!)
Don't get me wrong. There is some good info in all of this. The info about
Fates Warning, Trey's shirts and sweatshirts, etc. Those things I like to read
about. Even the thread of what would DT be like in 10 years...
Greg Chew wrote:
> Actually, I heard that Derek has the underwear of every woman he's slept
> with, lined up on the walls of his room. ewwwwwwww....
>
Ew, is right. I don't think Derek has to resort to that sort of behavior to
prove he's a tough guy.
I know, this will end up in the rubbish file for most of you but just
remember, all of us are now charged with the housekeeping on the YJ. We have a
long rope; let's not hang ourselves with it.
Johnny Motown
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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 15:37:04 -0500 (EST)
From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Note to various Brians
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960227152643.21266A-100000@stargate.rs.itd.umich.edu>
To Sir Cox: about the Birch Hill Show, tape tree, etc THANKS!!!!! This
stuff is great, as if I need to tell you that.....
To Mr. Anderson: Glad to see you're getting a replacement AD, good luck
wrestling the insurance company for reimbursement on the other stuff you
lost.
To Mr. Adams: Would you really mind being that other Adams if it meant
success and no small wealth? Just curious.....
To the kid: I would have said "Grow up!", but it seems he's retracted
his statments re: Derek's sexuality....still and all, that kind of
comment is much better off being made in front of only a select group of
people whose reactions you might reasonably be able to predict....in
other words, sorta inappropriate for the jam, as mass flamage might have
proved to you
partha
p.s. 10 years later? I'm worried, because at this juncture of time, 10
years is a hell of a lifetime for a band....we're not talking old
standbys like rolling stones or rush here, we're talking DT, which is shedding
a band member almost every album....maybe my fears stem from the recent
example of echolyn's demise, but I'd actually bet against DT existing in
the year 2006.....and i'm not sure why, either
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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 14:05:58 EST
From: "Jordan Garelick" <JGARELICK@EPO.SOM.SUNYSB.Edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: JP's dad
Message-ID: <MAILQUEUE-101.960227140558.320@epo.hsc.sunysb.edu>
I just read on the jam that JP's dad passed away from cancer. As a
medical student, I thought I would pass on a bit of info about what
it seems he died from, lymphoma. Lymphoma is a tumor of the
lymphatic system. You know, when you get sick your mom feels under
your neck to see if "your glands are swollen." Well, what she is
really checking is to see if your lymph nodes are swollen. They get
swollen because it is in the lymphatic system that your body tries to
fight off viruses and stuff. When you get a tumor in one of these
lymph nodes, it is called a lymphoma. There are all different kinds
of lymphoma, for those of you who remember your highschool or college
biology classes. They can be B-cell lymphoma, T-cell lymphoma,
Hodgekin's lymphoma, and maybe some others which I am forgetting.
Anyway, the different cell types of lymphoma have different
prognoses. I don't know which type Mr.P had, but I hope this little
science lesson satisfied anyone's curiosity. Thanks for listening.
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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 16:00:45 -0500
From: szucseue@saber.udayton.edu
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Awake Steal!
Message-ID: <96022716004524@saber.udayton.edu>
I just picked up the Japanese Awake cd down at this used cd store
for TEN DOLLARS!! I already have a copy so I gave this one to a
psych professor friend of mine that I have turned into a DT nut.
Can anyone tell me the address for Metropolis? I know I'm on
the list, but I accidentally deleted the message to set up the
mail commands. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks
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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 96 16:04:55 PST
From: rbarker@epix.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT tribute
Message-ID: <Chameleon.960227160947.rbarker@.epix.net>
I would love to be a part of the Dream Theater tribute
album. I am a guitar player and have a real cool rig. John
Petrucci is my greatest influence. Someone E-mail me at
rbarker@epix.net and give me some more info about this thing.
I even know of a studio near Philadelphia that my friend owns
who would probably be interested in recording it. He also
owns an independent label and if he liked it he would press
and distribute it.
Next question, how come every time I jump on the
#ytsejam IRC channel there is never anyone on it. Is it on a
special server or something. Someone please tell me how to
get on the thing. Cause I have had nothing but trouble.
See ya, Rob
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Name: Barker
E-mail: rbarker@epix.net
Date: 2/27/96
Time: 4:04:55 PM
This message was sent by Chameleon
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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 15:11:27 -0500
From: Scotch <anthem@virginia.edu>
To: The Killing Floor <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Tunings
Message-ID: <v01540b00ad59113ee0e3@bootp-234-126.bootp.virginia.edu>
What Petrucci really needs to do, just for the hell of it, is to try some
alternate guitar tunings-- not the dropped-D stuff (or dropped-A on the
7-string), but like Led Zep's DADGAD tuning or Soundgarden's Entirely
Fucked-Up Multiple tunings. (Ever hear "Fourth of July" by SG? It's so
evil-sounding-- they tune down to like a low G or something. The tonality
basically disappears.)
I know there's still a whole lot you can do just with the standard tunings,
but if you experiment with the weird ones, it's like playing a whole new
instrument... you get all these weird overtones from the strings, and you
no longer have that familiar connection between notation and tab-- it
becomes more a game of where you place your fingers to fret chords, just
sounding out different things. It basically shoots musical theory straight
to hell, unless you really know your way around the guitar, to the extent
that you can easily figure out how a given chord will sound in a given
tuning.
And if JP did use alternate tunings, yeah, it'd be tough to recreate in a
live setting if he wanted to solo (unless he feels up to the challenge of
soloing in a different tuning)... but I guess he'd just have to get himself
a phat double-neck guitar.
I also read something in Keyboard magazine last year or so about altering
the tuning tables on keyboards to achieve a similar effect-- like, you'd be
playing a simple triad chord but it would sound totally unconventional; or
a blues-scale run that would sound like an entirely different scale (i.e.
half-tone intervals would not necessarily be set as half-tones; they could
both be the same note or a wider interval). But I've never been able to
figure out how to do this. It sounds really cool-- any of you other keys
players know how to do this, or whether it's any good?
Your burnt-out, flash-in-the-pan, shit-kickin', crack-smokin', Bafu-hatin'
ninja pimp muthafucka,
Scott.
anthem@virginia.edu
"All right... we'll call it a draw."
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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 16:19:04 -0500
From: mojoman@pointblank.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT tribute....
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.2.27.-16.19.4.2377490627.1227792@pointblank.com>
I think the Idea of a Dream Theater tribute album done by
menbers of the YtseJam is a wonderful thing....
There is one problem though...
If this thing is to take off....
we must come up with a coordinator.....
This person (is Mike Bahr already involved) ....
should compile the music....and then handle printing....
and dubbing....
Also...
anyone who contributed still must pay for their copy....
duplication shouldnt be absorbed by the coordinator...
Im interested in doing something....for the project...
Wedge (Digital Man), John (gandalf), Itz, Koba?????
you guys interested???
If not....Im interested in doing a cut with any collaborator from
Long Island......
MojoMan
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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 16:41:36 -0500 (EST)
From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: heheheheh
Message-ID: <199602272141.QAA23410@wicked.stigmata.org>
Cleanin out all the ytsejam errors and saw this. I dunno if Mike said
anything about it or not, so I will :)
Skadz
Your posting to list YTSEJAM was rejected.
Reason: message size limit exceeded (maximum allowed: 16500 bytes)
The first few lines of your message are included herein for reference:
Hahaha!!! Now that the list is unmoderated, I can pollute it with my
obnoxious 26K CD updates! I hope you all don't mind.
LIMITED EDITION COMPACT DISCS
Information and Update, Current to 2/18/96
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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 14:38:52 -0800 From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu> To: The BafuJam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Keyboards Message-ID: <199602272238.OAA00688@cats.ucsc.edu>
Humph. Quote: "Stuff like Keyboards and percussion are done last, they aren't as important. "
And that is one of the biggest problems with metal music today. Thank You.
(I play keys, if ye canna' tell.)
__ /\ __ __\/__\/__ \_||_/ ~Chris /__||__\ // \ | \\ \|
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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 18:05:46 -0500 From: DreamNDay@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1294 Message-ID: <960227180546_154960376@emout08.mail.aol.com>
>i responded that it's good that i don't have to sit here on the ytsejam and >debate who derek fucks (paraphrased- i forgot exactly how i put it). anyway, >next thing i see, someone's trying to portray derek as a homo, That was me. Sorry!
>and if bafu wants the iron shiek back, i want the dynamite kid and the >junkyard dog back! I heard Dynamite was dead and I want the Ultimate Warrior back! later--------------Brian
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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 18:05:54 -0500 From: DreamNDay@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1294 Message-ID: <960227180553_154960392@emout10.mail.aol.com>
> >Hehe. Is Derek gay? Does it matter? Thinking about it, he's the only one in >the band without long hair...and you know what they say about men with long >hair.. >(I'll probably regret saying that as alarge proportion of the Jam no doubt >have long hair! - Sorry n that!) .. Well I think that Derek's haircut is gay! Maybe I'm just confusing the issue too >much... >Or maybe it's just time to drop the subject. hehe. Yes, lets drop it. I started it, and now IM GONNA FINISH IT! > >Ben is French. His surname is pronounced La-sod, or in english, The git. >hehe - it's what's for breakfast. > DUH! I'm taking French and I shoulda guessed this! (I had two unsuccessful attempts). Actually, I woulda guessed La-sod-ay later--------------Brian
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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 18:05:23 -0500 From: DreamNDay@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Thanx Neil! Message-ID: <960227180520_154960423@emout04.mail.aol.com>
>Brian, aka DreamNDay, recently asked who we would vote to be king of the Jam. >Bafu? No: too sane. Ben? No: too old. I propose the most frequent >contributor, >everybody's friend, "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL". This guy doesn't vary his postings >much, but he is very persistant. All hail King RESPONSE!! But why be >satisfied >with just a king: why not a queen too?
WOW! That was the first time I had laughed out loud at the jam in a while! I'll have to write that in! BTW, If you want to vote for a female, go ahead! later--------------Brian
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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 23:11:22 GMT From: Darren Redick <yusckx@private.nethead.co.uk> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: This tribute Message-ID: <199602272311.XAA25093@nethead.co.uk>
Okay. Here I am in London, England hearing about how everyone is going to lay down some tracks for this DT tribute thing. My question is this: Is there anyone else in the area who's up for this? I'm a bassist and can play keys to a certain extent. I think this is a great opportunity and would love to be a part. So, come on London! Anyone interested can email me privately.
-Darren
"Carpe per diem, seize the pay" -Robin Williams
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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 17:14:31 -0600 (CST) From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu> To: Ytsejelly <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: IRC update... Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.960227170811.7871A-100000@indy27.gclab.missouri.edu>
Ok, folks, hopefully this will clear up the IRC problems. I have configured a copy of mIRC v3.92 for specific use with irc.dreamt.org. You can download this from: http://www.phlab.missouri.edu/~c675311/mirc.html It's important that you go *directly* to the page, because I'm not linking it to my DT page. If you have winsock or a ISP, you can run this program, and it is configured to offer you the least trouble. I have further instructions on my page and in a text file included with the program. I hope this helps out all of you who have had trouble.
If you already use IRC, but don't have mIRC, I highly recommend that you get this. It's the best IRC client I have seen.
Catch you all on IRC.
h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 / | Pat Griffin Reality2 Design | | c675311@showme.missouri.edu c675311@cclabs.missouri.edu | h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 /
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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 23:24:36 GMT From: Darren Redick <yusckx@private.nethead.co.uk> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: King of the Jam Message-ID: <199602272324.XAA29558@nethead.co.uk>
Yeah I'd have to agree with Neil Gallop on this one. "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL" would have to be the King! As far as a queen goes...with all the talk about Derek..... Only kidding!:) Derek if you're reading this, I would never question your sexuality. To be honest, I couldn't care less. Although I still think you look a little bit like Jon Lovitz albeit thinner.
-Darren "Lurker Extraordinaire" Redick
"Carpe per diem, seize the pay" -Robin Williams
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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 18:52:37 EST From: KTYA28B@prodigy.com (MS DEBBIE M VESTAL) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: 10 years later.... Message-ID: <096.02244576.KTYA28B@prodigy.com>
>p.s. 10 years later? I'm worried, because at this juncture of time, 10 >years is a hell of a lifetime for a band....we're not talking old >standbys like rolling stones or rush here, we're talking DT, which is >shedding >a band member almost every album....maybe my fears stem from the recent >example of echolyn's demise, but I'd actually bet against DT existing in >the year 2006.....and i'm not sure why, either
I have a few of the same fears...but when you consider how long they HAVE been together with so few replacements...I think that they will still be around.
>I think that about four or five years from now Dream Theater will be what >Nirvana was about four or five years ago. That is to say, everyone will >be "discovering" prog-rock-metal-whatever because EastWest smelled the >coffee and did a little promotion. And what they will be discovering is >the new DT single, much the same way that "Teen Spirit" broke open the >grunge scene. However, I also think that Dream Theater is going to ride >the crest of that wave for a long time and not die out like Nirvana did. >Rather, I see all the prog bands like DT, Fates, Shadow Gallery, etc., >helping each other out. As for us, we'll still be around, 'jamming like >always. Except some of us will probably be teleconferencing, instead of >reading e-mail. And we'll probably be watching the band on this infernal >metal box as well.
I agree in part...but I just have a feeling that the !@$#$ idiots in radio programming have it in for prog rock...and will have it in for it until and unless progressive groups sell out to the 4 minute format. 20 minute masterpieces don't leave much room for commercials, doncha' know. The way I see it going is that Dream Theater will remain true to form...so it will be up to other bands to make prog rock a little bit more radio friendly. The "radio friendly" groups will turn more and more people on to progressive rock which will open the way for radio stations to start introducing better formats. THEN Dream Theater will shine. If Dream Theater keeps it together and sticks it out....I think they might actually achieve the status of RUSH....IMHO. :)
CAT
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