YTSEJAM Digest 1300
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Yeah right.
by KTYA28B@prodigy.com (MS DEBBIE M VESTAL)
2) DT Compilation, Subconcious
by Michael.Bradley@mail.cc.trincoll.edu (Michael Bradley)
3) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 02/28/96 - 07:12:32" <response@ibmmail.com>
4) Ten Years Gone, Ytse-Ben
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
5) Miscellaneous Miasma
by Gilbert Jack Thetgyi <thetgyi@bgnet.bgsu.edu>
6) Damn!
by Brian Wherry <bwherry@acs.bu.edu>
7) 5 years
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@moose.uvm.edu>
8) re: ytsejam1297
by skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
9) Peart & Sherinian, DT + 10 years
by skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
10) babble
by fitipmol@ibmmail.com
11) ACOS CD PROJECT LAUNCHED!!!!!
by v932407@si.hhs.nl
12) The tribute thing
by nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop)
13) stuff
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 01:50:22 EST
From: KTYA28B@prodigy.com (MS DEBBIE M VESTAL)
To: Ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Yeah right.
Message-ID: <096.02287303.KTYA28B@prodigy.com>
>> The Drinking Game and ongoing debates about Tori's love life are just
SO MUCH MORE IMPoTANT(GGG).
> Hey...uh..you spelled "impotent" wrong.
Hey...Uh...like I MEANT to. Sheesh...I feel old. Guess you jus'
ain't a Steve Martin fan...............:)
Cat
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~IN GODS WE TRUST.........................................
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ALL OTHERS PAY CASH......................
-STEVEN BRUST
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 02:13:24 -0500
From: Michael.Bradley@mail.cc.trincoll.edu (Michael Bradley)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT Compilation, Subconcious
Message-ID: <v01520d01ad59af307ccb@[157.252.65.110]>
Hey Guys!
Just wanted to offer up my two cents on this compilation album
idea. Since my current band plays Progressive Acid Jazz(it's really hard to
categorize, but we take jazz standards and some more recent tunes and sort
of prog/funk them up.), I think I would have to go solo on the Ytsejam
compilation album. However, I'd love to record a version of "The Silent
Man" and/or "Waiting for Sleep," so take down my name whoever's in charge.
I have decent recording equipment also. I'd probably do a version of the
acoustic Silent man, but if I work on my high C#'s I might get my band in
on it and do the electric version:)
Also, it's time again for me to make a futile plea for anyone with
an original "Subconcious" they want to get rid of to contact me. Thanks
all!
-Mike Bradley
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 02:13:23 EST
From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 02/28/96 - 07:12:32" <response@ibmmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mail Item Format Warning
Message-ID: <199602280713.XAA17102@mindcrime.ax.com>
The mail item that you sent at 07:13:16 GMT on 28 Feb 1996 has been delivered.
However, it has been necessary to convert this item into a
format that is acceptable to the recipient, FITIPMOL at IBMMAIL.
Information beyond column 79 in the mail item will have been wrapped.
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 02:33:00 -0500 (EST)
From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Ten Years Gone, Ytse-Ben
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9602280212.A24329-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: bflynn@sps.edu (Ben Flynn)
> Subject: Re:10 years later....
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> Man, I get your point, put don't deface the name of DT by even mentioning
> such horrible joke bands as Nirvana on the same page. This band and the
> millions that followed its noisy, untalented lead dragged music into an all
> time low that we just beginning to recover from. For the life of me I still
> can't believe anyone in their right mind ever bought one of these albums.
> (Just my opinion:))
Yeah, but here's another way of looking at it: Five years ago, there
were a slew of people who were making music that you just didn't hear on
the radio. Simplistic and full of emotion. Something of an antithesis
to the glossy, candy-coated pop of the 80's (like Hammer et al.) One of
these songs sneaked onto MTV, and people loved it. They bought it in
droves, because it was a breath of fresh air. It was DIFFERENT from
everything else that people had been listening to. The record execs saw
that people were buying it and pushed the hell out of it, well into 1996,
even. I'm just saying that when someone in power discovers the breath of
fresh air that 90's prog is, I think the same thing will happen.
----> From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu> > Subject: Ytse-Ben... > > Could it be coincidence that it sounds so much like the abbreviation of > "Lifting Shadows Off a Dream"
I laughed my ass off at that one! :)
> From: KTYA28B@prodigy.com (MS DEBBIE M VESTAL) > Subject: Re: DT's future > > The Digital Man wrote: > > >Yeah, but people were saying the same things about REM ten years ago, and > >Nirvana/Pearl Jam/etc five years ago. Don't give up hope on that one. > > Since when have the likes of REM and Nirvana gotten into 20 minute songs? > Their music has always "fit" into programmers schemes...it's just that > people lost their minds for awhile. It became popular and it got played:)
No, I understand that those bands have never written 20-minute songs. The analogy was simply that REM and Nirvana were doing stuff that just wasn't on the radio. Their music has only fit into programmer's schemes for a short while, relative to how long those bands had been chugging away at local bars and such.
BTW, I happen to really like REM.
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 02:59:47 -0500 (EST) From: Gilbert Jack Thetgyi <thetgyi@bgnet.bgsu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Miscellaneous Miasma Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9602280227.A9005-0100000@bgnet1.bgsu.edu>
>I've heard people say that Geoff Tate has a 6 octave range, a ridiculous >statement indeed. Hell, my entire range is 5 1/2 octaves or so, but that >includes my falsetto voice!
How can Geoff Tate's 6 octave range be ridiculous while your 5 1/2 ocatve range isn't? Does half an octave make a difference? Therefore, your range is ridiculous!
>>I ASK YOU AGAIN -- PLEASE STOP SENDING ME THESE MESSAGES. REMOVE ME FROM >>YOUR LIST. I DO NOT WISH TO GET EMAIL FROM YOU. I HAVE NO INTEREST IN >>ANY OF THE MESSAGES YOU HAVE SENT TO ME. STOP STOP STOP
>Does this guy realise he's talking to a fucking computer and not a >moderator? Anyway, he sucks for having no intrest in the messages we're >sending him. later--------------Brian
No he doesn't. If he isn't interested, so be it. To each his (or her) own.
>The Guy With the Same Initials as His Favorite Band
What band has the initials "TGWTSIAHFB"?
>I don't really feel that it's important to discuss whether or not the >band members have ever been under the influence of drugs
I beg to differ. I hold DT in high regard, and if I found out that any of them were druggies, my opinions of them would diminish.
>I think that about four or five years from now Dream Theater will be what >Nirvana was about four or five years ago. That is to say, everyone will >be "discovering" prog-rock-metal-whatever because EastWest smelled the >coffee and did a little promotion. And what they will be discovering is >the new DT single, much the same way that "Teen Spirit" broke open the >grunge scene.
Once again, I beg to differ. I think DT will be a little bigger than they are now, but not by much. I hope Partha's vision doesn't come true, though. The only way is to get DT to the masses, maybe opening for a certain Canadian rock trio that rhymes with "lush". Get those postcards and start mailing them...
> WHY ARE THERE SO MANY??!! How can you possibly read all these? I get 3 > Ytsejams per every 1 of the other newsletters I subscribe to.
I get the Ytsejam undigested, so I don't know the exact number, but I get 5 Monkees-digests per about every 2 Ytsejams. Keeping up with the 'Jam is easy compared to that.
>What Petrucci really needs to do, just for the hell of it, is to try some >alternate guitar tunings-- not the dropped-D stuff (or dropped-A on the >7-string), but like Led Zep's DADGAD tuning or Soundgarden's Entirely >Fucked-Up Multiple tunings.
Then all the Petrucci-heads would whine about not being able to play the latest tune, "I've got to re-tune my locking whammy bar system, (whine infinitum)". Personally, I'd like to hear JP use Robert Fripp's Guitar Craft tuning, and I'd like to hear JM play a Stick.
>Also, it's time again for me to make a futile plea for anyone with >an original "Subconcious" they want to get rid of to contact me. Thanks >all!
Futile, indeed.
Sincerely,
G. Jack Thetgyi -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- G. Jack Thetgyi thetgyi@bgnet.bgsu.edu "Any movie with wakka-cha-wakka in it is okay by me." -Tom Servo, Mystery Science Theater 3000 #512: "Mitchell" --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 02:56:37 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Wherry <bwherry@acs.bu.edu> To: DT List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Damn! Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9602280223.A393136-0100000@acs5.bu.edu>
I got left out of Partha's multiple-Brian-directed post. I am so hurt. And no one bothered to ask if I want to take part in this DT cover thing. And I never learned to read! (well it's true except for the reading part...) You know, I highly doubt that Derek Sherinian is a homosexual. Not that there's anything wrong with that! He just really seemed to take a liking to Jeff and Greg Chew's younger female friend at Ytsecon #1..... Is Neal Peart really gay? Not that there's anything wrong with that!!
--==Brian Wherry==-- --==bwherry@acs.bu.edu==-- "Do. Or do not. There is no try." -Yoda
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 03:37:59 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@moose.uvm.edu> To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: 5 years Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.960228032122.132690A-100000@moose.uvm.edu>
I have no idea where DT is going to be in five years. Neither do they. That's part of their magic: you never know what's going to come next. When DT first got together, do you honestly think that they knew that they were going to drop Chris, get Charlie, drop Charile, get James, have Kevin leave, and replace him with Alice Cooper's old keyboardist? (no disrespect to Derek or Alice). They do what's best for the music. Do you think they imagined themselves writing songs like LSOAD or TSM? Never in a million years. They are constantly reinventing themselves. Will they be "popular" five years from now? Who cares? I'd love to turn on the radio and hear LtL or ACOS on KISS FM. I'd love to drive to Ticketmaster and pick up tickets for "An Evening With Dream Theater" at the LA Forum or Madison Square Gardens. But even if it doesn't happen, then they'll keep on plugging away, putting the music first above everything else. As long as they keep doing that, not only will they be around in five years, but we, the fans, will be there too.
Richie
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 00:37:58 -0800 From: skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: re: ytsejam1297 Message-ID: <199602280837.AAA22696@ix11.ix.netcom.com>
>> But has anyone ever thought about what a great service Ken was doing while he gave up his time to sort through the 15 line .sig files? How about the guy's mailbox that keeps sending back canned messages? You know, Mr. RESPONSE at IBMMAIL. When Ken was moderating the list, you would have never seen this. Why? Because he took the time to try and contact the remote side and have the issue resolved.<<
IMO, there may be some ridiculously long sigs and pointless posts, but I'll take this over ytsejam as Ken sees it anytime. Am I the only one who was frustrated at the week lag time from when you sent a post to the jam till it showed up on the jam?
Scott Cook
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 01:06:10 -0800 From: skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook) To: ytsejam@ax.com.What.?.Neil.Peart.GAY?.Derek.Shirian.GAY?.WHO.FUCKING.CARES!!!!!!! Subject: Peart & Sherinian, DT + 10 years Message-ID: <199602280906.BAA07160@ix7.ix.netcom.com>
I didn't know to be in a rock and roll band you had to be Hetero. They could fuck whoever they damn well please IMO, as long as the Fuckee is of legal age and consents to it. We Americans seem to get so hung up on people's sexuality that a persons career can be ruined here in the states if they're gay. In these cases, it appears that the people in question are straight, but it should be a non-issue. Where will DT be in ten years? Probably broke up years earlier because they got frustrated that no talent bands that are image and no substance are multi-platinum and they're getting no recogniition with four extremely talented musicians and a singer with one of the most powerful voices in rock. I hope I'm wrong, but I think if this next disc doesn't give them their big break, this'll probably be it. This is just an opinion, and I hope I'm wrong!
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 04:24:29 EST From: fitipmol@ibmmail.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: babble Message-ID: <199602280924.BAA19074@mindcrime.ax.com>
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It seems I was ahead of my time when I was speaking about the 'Mail Item etc...'- stuff disappearing...I was misled bcoz I didn't see any of them in two jams. And then there was three of them in the next one. Gosh. If I am ever going to get my hands on the one who takes care of the IMX in the IBM I swear I'm going to snuff him. Anyone care to join me? Seeing the votes directed to RESPONSE at IBMMAIL in the ytse-presidential election, I quess there would be many. =
Let's kill this 'Neil Peart is queer'-thread. We've been reading the issue about Derek S. for many days now and yet someone wants to start it all over again...let's drop the subject already. Nobody's Hero is a fine song (my fave off 'Counterparts') and ppl should stop overanalyzing lyrics, we don't want every band doing just instrumentals, do we? Besides, it's very unfair to make implications about someones sexual preferences without the target being able to defend himself. Freedom of speech is not not for abusing everyone. =
In ten years DT will either be what they are now (our fave band) or they will cease to exist and still be our fave band. I have some difficulty believing that,the musical trends of today being the crap they are, there will emerge any other as impressive band as DT is. But hey, I said the same thing back when Queensryche was the only right band for my ears. Thank (religious phrase self-destructed! ) I was proved wrong. =
MapeX (c)BB =AC Almost DTC!!
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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 23:00:52 +0100 (MET) From: v932407@si.hhs.nl To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: ACOS CD PROJECT LAUNCHED!!!!! Message-ID: <9602272200.AA05553@hoekstra.si.hhs.nl>
LIMITED EDITION COMPACT DISCS Information and Update, Current to 02/26/96
1. Introduction
Dear Ytsejammers, for those who don't know me (hmm... that's most of you), my name is Marcel Berkhout and I am the second guy (you all know the first one) on the Ytsejam list to make bootlegs. I'm from Holland, keep that in mind if you find any typos :)
Like Mike Bahr I'm not out to scam all of you and make huge amounts of money. I'm really into bootlegs and this is the perfect way for me to broaden (sp?) my horizons (wow!)
As you can see I took the liberty of copy-ing Mike Bahr's update-style. I think it's something you all are familiar with and it's easy to read.
2. What is 'Carpe Diem - LIVE will not always be this way'
This was my 4th Dream Theater concert of the year and probably one of the most memorable 'cause they played ACOS!!
It was recorded on the 8th of July this summer during an outdoors festival called 'Bospop' (Please don't ask me why it's called that way). Dream Theater didn't headline the festival, but judging from the amount of people wearing DT t-shirts most of them came to see DT :)
A friend of mine recorded the show with his portable DAT-recorder, so the quality of the recording is great, especially for an outdoor show. Aahh hell might as well tell you all the truth.... the only negative thing I can think of is that there are some people (with no vocal ability whatsoever) can be heard from time to time during the 'easier' and 'slower' songs (LSOAD and Another Day). I hope this doesn't bother to many people.
Because DT didn't headline the festival they only played for 70 minutes.
The setlist was :
Intro Under a Glass Moon Lifting Shadows of a Dream Voices A Change of Seasons Another Day Pull me Under [encore] 6:00
The booklet is finished and looks great! 10 FULL color pages with pictures from the Bospop Festival, you'll be surprised!
3. How can I order a copy of 'Carpe Diem'?
I'm not out to compete with Mike Bahr, so my prices will be exactly the same as his. I ship orders in the order I received your checks, so those of you who sent your mail around when ordering began, those will be the first CDs out the door.
Feel free to e-mail me to reserve a copy for you, so that you will have a copy saved for you before you send your order in the mail. A lot of people mailed me asking for CD #15 or CD # 145. When you order your cd let me know your favorite number, and I'll see what I can do for you.
The pricing for the CD so far is as follows.
Base cost: $ 25.00 US Postage: $ 3.00 US ---------- Total: $ 28.00 US
Things are pretty simple from here. Send mail including:
-> * Your name, mailing address, and e-mail address <- -> * The check, cash money, or money order for the amount <- -> * How many cd's you are ordering. <-
International customers may use whatever means of payment is most convenient for them, though I stress that sending cash is risky and should not be a first option, but a backup plan. If you send cash, please use registered mail and make sure that you can't see the money through the envelope! CHECKS: I don't know about international payment with checks (US -> Europe, or Japan -> Europe) but if it's possible, that's ok. In Europe however, there is a system called 'Eurogiro' which makes it possible to transfer money from your own account to mine. For more info about this system, please go to your local post office.
I always recommend the traceable-both-ways Money Order as a preferred form of payment. So checks are OK; Money orders are Better.
For dutch orders it's simple, e-mail me privately, and I'll send you my 'giro' (???) number to which you can transfer the money.
Please make out checks and money orders to me, Marcel Berkhout The address is:
Marcel Berkhout 'Carpe Diem' Assumburg 46 2402 KT Alphen a/d Rijn The Netherlands
4. The reservations (paid for)
'Carpe Diem - LIVE will not always be this way' orders PAID! (unpaid reservations not listed)
Nr. Name e-mail address:
001 Master - 002 Marcel Berkhout v932407@si.hhs.nl 003 Harrie Dechering decherin@xs4all.nl
5. Famous Last Words
To conclude my update I would like to thank everyone who reserved a copy. I hope that all of you actually order a copy :)
If you have any questions about the project, feel free to e-mail me anytime.
Thanks,
Marcel Berkhout v932407@si.hhs.nl
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 96 14:09:11 +0100 From: nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop) To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: nga@server3.software-ag.de Subject: The tribute thing Message-ID: <9602281309.AA00294@sundoc13.software-ag.de>
Hi all
I don't play any instrument at all, but I want to get in on this tribute thing, so could I be the guy who screams at the start of The Ytsejam on Live At The Marquee? I've been practicing a lot here at work, and my office mate thinks I've got it off good now. My other qualifications include not having long hair, never having laid Tori Amos or Derek Sherinian, not being a graduate of Berklee, not screaming in falsetto or even stiletto, not having an email alias and not coming from the East coast. In addition, I always write out Dream Theater in full, I spell the band name correctly, I never abbreviate Dream Theater song titles, I never use smiley faces (slimy faeces?) in my posts, my first name isn't Charlie and I hardly ever say f**k on the jam. OK people, now it's up to you. You know where to find me if you want me, but be quick, my balls might drop and my voice break at any moment...
stay safe and happy listening Neil Gallop (nga@software-ag.de)
Currently playing: Napalm Death - Diatribes (try it if you dare!)
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 09:36:07 -0500 (EST) From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: stuff Message-ID: <Pine.3.07.9602280907.D14810-b100000@bdmserver>
Is this a mailing list about Dream Theater or a chat line?
We need to kill this Derek is Gay thread, and Neil is Gay thread, because they aren't and who cares anyway.
I went and bought Genesis's "Selling England by the Pound". The more I listen to this the more I like it. It is an awesome progressive album. This was my first Genesis purchase except for the tribute album. I would assume that all the albums with Peter Gabriel on vocals are the most progressive? Who is associated with Genesis's demise as progressive and turn to pop and sold out stadiums?
CDs in my car changer: 1. DT-Images and Words 2. DT-WDADU 3. Fates Warning-Chasing Time 4. Fates Warning-NIght on Brocken 5. Savatage-Dead Winter Dead 6. Savatage-Edge of Thorns 7. Threshold-Livedelica 8. Yngwie Malmsteen-Magnum Opus 9. Y&T-Musically Incorrect (something like that) 10.Genesis tribute 11. Yes tribute 12. Shadow Gallery-Carved in Stone
I picked up Tori Amos's new cd and the Galactic Cowboys new one over the weekend (what a combination of two cds!).
The new GC was on a front display under new or modern rock. How come GC gets this great and fast promotion when bands like DT, Fates, and Savatage get nada?
Both of these cds are good.
I hope the new Fates cd/song is split into tracks. It would be really annoying if it was all one track.
Well I guess it is enough babbling...
Oh yeah, I forgot my patented comment about al balkewicz...
Hey al, I will stop bad mouthing you on the jam if you send me my tapes.
I think for the drinking game there should be a rule that if you ever see me post "al finally sent me my tapes", you are required to chug a bottle of MD 20/20.
**** Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com **** **** "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater **** **** "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files **** **** GO CAPITALS! GO BULLETS! GO DAYTON FLYERS! GO TERPS! ****
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