YTSEJAM Digest 1302
Today's Topics:
1) Thanks, Ben
by Martin Spain <M.G.Spain@herts.ac.uk>
2) things
by WildKoba@aol.com
3) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 02/28/96 - 22:54:36" <response@ibmmail.com>
4) Re: Dtrib!
by Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com>
5) Dt in ten years
by kurt@fgallery.com
6) Mike Portnoy Drum Clinic
by bosox1@ix.netcom.com (Craig Francis Moran)
7) DT mainstream???????
by MillerA@act.org
8) Re: in ten years....
by "M. Stalker (Lugie on IRC)" <4ms28@qlink.queensu.ca>
9) Iron Maiden
by "Ryan Eschauzier '97" <rdesc@conncoll.edu>
10)
by Paul Mc Clelland <clelland@ecn.purdue.edu>
11) Miscellaneous Miasma (fwd)
by Scott Daugherty <SRDAUGZ2@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
12) prog-metal
by Matt Rosin <msr7146@tam2000.tamu.edu>
13) whats wrong with you?
by Archfates@aol.com
14) Food for thought???
by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
15) Re: stuff
by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
16) Re: A new ytsejammer...
by russ@lulu.acns.nwu.edu
17) Sorry, the gay thing......
by thunder@UFCC.UFL.EDU
18) What band has the initials "TGWTSIAHFB"?
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
19) Re: in ten years....
by KTYA28B@prodigy.com (MS DEBBIE M VESTAL)
20) Re: DT mainstream???????
by KTYA28B@prodigy.com (MS DEBBIE M VESTAL)
21) More
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 16:09:33 +0000 (GMT)
From: Martin Spain <M.G.Spain@herts.ac.uk>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Thanks, Ben
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960228160614.16966A-100000@altair.herts.ac.uk>
At last! Ben has told us how to pronounce his surname! It's been buggin'
me for ages. Thanks, Ben. :-)
Mart
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 17:54:33 -0500
From: WildKoba@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: things
Message-ID: <960228175431_155874880@emout05.mail.aol.com>
neil gallop- that was a funny-ass post u just threw up. if i am lucky enough
to be invited to the ball (and play on this thingy- yes, mojo; i'd like to
play some keys, or a little 7 string), i'd want you to be my guest
ytsescreamer.
and you didn't play flesh billiards with derek. even better!!
but- you didn't play with tori......now THAT can be a problem!! ;-)
you see, i'm so funky, i get it on with her EVERY NIGHT!
hold your nuts til the recording session is over!
pat daugherty;
finally found good genesis. awesome. "selling" is too good of an album. you
know, around the same time i 1st transcribed wfs, i also did the intro to
"firth of 5th". great piece. so's "moonlit knight."
too bad phil collins had to cheese us out when gabriel left. it's not even a
matter of selling stadiums. gabriel does it too, but his music is so much
more interesting!! and he has a too good band that i wish i was in! <<drool>>
genesis just has cheese in ite repertoire now. a shame, but oh well.....
neil peart gay, eh? YEAH, HUH?!?! whatever.
oddly, i had heard many times before that geddy is gay. of course, i also
question the veridity of that statement, but i can't tell people what to
think......
maybe he's just a VERY HAPPY guy.
david the jolly kobayashi
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 17:55:26 EST
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 15:08:57 -0800
From: Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Dtrib!
Message-ID: <9602282309.AA14999@pdx108>
>Someone said they play trumpet and was interested in this project, but I
>don't have your email address, so please get ahold of me, there's another
>guy who plays trombone so it might be possible to do the Big Band
>Theory! ;-)
Hey, don't forget about my clarinet!
(Seriously...)
(Well, not seriously like I'd actually expect anyone to include my
clarinet, but I really do have one!)
(as if anyone cares...)
(did I mention that I'm pretty good?)
(*sigh*...I never got into these messes when the list was moderated...)
-- Jim, who wishes he had enough money to buy a keyboard
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Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com> | If I had a witty remark that
P6 Design Team, Intel Corp, Hillsboro OR | would better the lives of my
** I don't speak for Intel ** | fellow mankind, do you really
(they're not that foolish) | think I would put it HERE?
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 18:57:24 -0400
From: kurt@fgallery.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Dt in ten years
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.2.28.-14.57.24.2916992174.259136@bbs.fgallery.com>
I became interested with this topic when i read it a while ago...
well in my opinion ,in ten years,Dream Theater's music will be used to
cure autistic children,children with shizofrenia (did i spell
correctly) also they will be the example of musical excelence in schools
worldwide .
Seize The Day!
and MTFBWY
Kurt@fgallery.com
Kurt@dreamt.org
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 15:16:22 -0800
From: bosox1@ix.netcom.com (Craig Francis Moran)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mike Portnoy Drum Clinic
Message-ID: <199602282316.PAA25139@ix4.ix.netcom.com>
Last Saturday, I had the opportunity to attend M.P.'s drum clinic. Can
I just say what a great guy he is?!? He jammed on his kit a lot, took
time out to explain any drum parts that people might have a question
about, and commented on the new album...
They have 5 songs completed ("about 45 minutes of material") and intend
to put on about 5 more. "The album should be out late summer/early
fall." Something to look forward to!
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 96 17:52:24 CST
From: MillerA@act.org
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT mainstream???????
Message-ID: <9601288255.AA825558564@SMTP.ACT.ORG>
hey all:
here's my thoughts on DT going mainstream.
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i think (IMO) that would be the downfall of Dream Theater. are they not doing
fine right now? in know awake at least went platinum, and the next album will
probably do the same. i sincerely hope that DT isn't 'discovered' by a record
exec that is looking for a 'fresh sound'. progressive rock has always been,
and always should be, 'underground' music.
my worst nightmare would come true if copy-cat bands were to form in the
progressive genre. well, i can't imagine anyone trying to copy DT. you may
be able to learn their songs, but try writing a piece on the same level as
metropolis. (yeah, right)
anyway, i don't think mainstream society is ready for progressive music, and
it never will be. i say this because of what people are listening to.
(pop-country, rap, pop, sh*t, cheezy sh*t, etc.) these people aren't ready to
hear lyrics with the depth of 'voices', or 'uagm', or whatever. there's no
sense singling out any song, all of them are 'deep'.
anyway, i think i'm starting to ramble, so i'll shut up now. but think about
it. do you really want progressive music to become a highly profitable,
materialistic, sold-out, overplayed form of music? i hope not. because
that's what will happen if it goes 'mainstream'.
Andrew Miller
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 18:49:25 -0500
From: "M. Stalker (Lugie on IRC)" <4ms28@qlink.queensu.ca>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: in ten years....
Message-ID: <1.5.4b11.32.19960228234925.0067f054@qlink.queensu.ca>
On Wed, 28 Feb 1996 12:22:08 -0500WildKoba@aol.com said:
> in 10 years, dream theater will be LONG BROKEN UP. solo albums, new >
bands....
> can someone say magna carta?
> my thoughts.
> dk
Sadly, I must agree.
It seems the only bands that seem to survive for a long time without too
many line-up changes are those with a family (or something almost as close)
connection. Example: Van Halen. They've only had on line up change since
1976 and it doesn't look like it'll ever happen again.
Just my thoughts,
Lugie.
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Mariano Stalker |An album title is just just for letting people know
(Lugie on IRC) |you got a new one out...Who gives a damn what it is.
4ms28@qlink.queensu.ca |Make it 'MUSTARD ON OUR LEGS' or something..."
--Eddie Van Halen
Visit me on the Web! Point yer Netscape at: http://qlink.queensu.ca/~4ms28
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 19:03:40 -0500 (EST)
From: "Ryan Eschauzier '97" <rdesc@conncoll.edu>
To: RESPONSE at IBMAIL <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Iron Maiden
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9602281856.B22360-0100000@dsys.cc.conncoll.edu>
I am taking a survey of jammers' favorite Iron Maiden albums. So
if you wish to participate, please email me personally and I will tell
everyone the results by next week.
2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 *
*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*
"A Bridge is not a high place "Stealthily Attacking
The fifty second floor By-Tor slays his foe
Icarus would know The men are free to run now
A mountain isn't far to fall In the labyrinth below"
When you've fallen from the moon."
-Steve Hogarth -Neil Peart
*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*
rdesc@conncoll.edu Ryan Eschauzier '97 (860) 439-4085
Connecticut College
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 19:17:16 -0500
From: Paul Mc Clelland <clelland@ecn.purdue.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Message-ID: <199602290017.TAA16106@atom.ecn.purdue.edu>
>Uh, if you guys need a killer trumpet on that YtseJam tape thing, you know
>my email address : )
>
>Jon
Yeah, and I've got dibs on any good TUBA parts!!!!!!!!!
Pauly
--"Because life is like a mop..."
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 96 19:16:11 EST
From: Scott Daugherty <SRDAUGZ2@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
To: da jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Miscellaneous Miasma (fwd)
Message-ID: <960228.193552.EST.SRDAUGZ2@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
>>I've heard people say that Geoff Tate has a 6 octave range, a ridiculous
>>statement indeed. Hell, my entire range is 5 1/2 octaves or so, but that
>>includes my falsetto voice!
>How can Geoff Tate's 6 octave range be ridiculous while your 5 1/2 ocatve
>range isn't? Does half an octave make a difference? Therefore, your
>range is ridiculous!
I was arguing that when people say things like this that they are considering
his normal (non-falsetto) range to be 6 octaves. Whereas I argue that a range
like that would include both the normal and falsetto voice. After I got my
brain back in my head I realized that NO human being possesses a 6 octave
range! I grossly miscalculated my own, which is actually only about 3 1/2
octaves.
Can I be the first to suggest that we stop talking about stopping talking about
who's gay? :)
Let's get back to the jam of old where we talk about the goofy lyric misinterp-
retations. I'll contribute the first (hope this one's not already been said).
In A Change of Seasons:
"I was blinded by a pair of dice" (ouch!)
peace out, (c. David Kobayashi Publications)
Scott Daugherty
"I have nothing to say and I am saying it."
-John Cage
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 18:53:18 -0600 (CST)
From: Matt Rosin <msr7146@tam2000.tamu.edu>
To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: prog-metal
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960228185057.8024A-100000@tam2000.tamu.edu>
a funny thing happened the other day. a girl in my spanish 201 class
asked me what kind of music i listened to, and one of the thing i
mentioned, naturally, was prog-metal, to which she responded, "prague?
why do you listen to german music?" amazingly enough, that is not the
first time that's happened! what's with these people? they act as if
they've never heard prog-metal before . . . ;)
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PO Box 15315 * IMAGESCAPE: ambient-progressive metal
College Station, TX * Matt Rosin: vocals/synths/programming
77841-7315 * http://http.tamu.edu:8000/~msr7146/imagescape
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 20:01:52 -0500
From: Archfates@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: whats wrong with you?
Message-ID: <960228200150_336130940@emout05.mail.aol.com>
>d, 28 Feb 1996 15:15:49 -0500
>From: DreamNDay@aol.com
>To: ytsejam@ax.com
>Subject: DT as sex symbols
>Message-ID: <960228151547_233505491@emout07.mail.aol.com>
>
>Well I now this thread has died down, but I got a friend into DT and she
went
>out and bought "Ay-Cose". I asked her what she thought of the band itself
and
>she sais"That vocalist is pretty cute, the one with the overalls (Mike) is
>gross, the Korean (meaning John M, BTW I know he's not Korean) is so ugly,
>that one whos just standing there (John P) is a dud, but that one with the
>short hair is the cutest one of all!"
>later--------------Brian
Hey Brian, I can't believe I'm wasting my time replying to your obnoxious
post, Ive gone back and looked at some of your previous posts, and it
confirms my suspicions,you are a trouble maker, and say stupid things
that have no value.
I apologize to the rest of the jam but this has got me flaaaaaammmmming
John Arch archfates@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 96 20:14:50 EST
From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Food for thought???
Message-ID: <9602290114.AA17790@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
To all you guys screaming about the te of the jam, let me bring forth this
thought. Has anybody considered that there really is not any new DT
information coming through? We've beaten the songs to death in analysis, all
the members have been put in every scenario in the world, we've done enough
polls to kill people with. I mean, the only thing left is to discuss other
bands that might be related to DT, like Meagellan and Magna Carta bands, and
whatever prog or metal bands are actually doing something. Also, personal
inside ytsejokes abound here, which I find seomwhat humorous. so, to all of
you frustrated with the jam at its state, wait until something new comes out,
like an album or a piece of news and you'll see great DT content again. Do
what I do. Change to ack mode, (mail ytsejam-request@ax.com, subject asdf
message set ytsejam mail ack) and delete whatever is not interesting to you.
There is no difference in the mail, whether it's in one big chunk of 50 small
chunks. Anyway, the preference is yours.
ON a semirelated topic, I want to recommend any Magna Carta releases to
Jammers. Being a DJ on a college radio station with a prog rock show, I made
a contact at Magna Carta and they sent me everything they could send me. I
love everything. I am still waiting for Shadow Gallery, but everything else
is soooooo good that I almost don't mind. And I am sure that Shadow Galery
will be awesome as well. The three truibute CDs, (Yes, Genesis and Pink
Floyd) are fine as well. Anyone in the Monmouth county area of NJ should
consider listening to 88.9 FM on Sat. 12:00-3:00 p.m. That's the prog rock
show. YOu will like it. L8r, all.
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 96 20:21:13 EST
From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: stuff
Message-ID: <9602290121.AA05053@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
Pat:
There are a few other Genesis albums that are progressive after Peter Gabriel
left.
Tric of the Tale: the first album with Collins on vocals. Quite progressive.
Pay attention to Dancing on a Volcano.
Wind and Wuthering: The last Steve Hacket album with Genesis.
Seconds out: Live album after Trick of the Tale album, I think.
And then there were three: Seems progressive to me, watch for Follow you,
Follow me. the start of what some call Genesis's downfall.
Duke: Not as progressive in my mind, but Turn it on Again is on it.
ABACAB and Genesis: Not as progressive as the others, but still some great
tunes on it as well as some poppy ones.
Invisible touch and We can't dance are very poppy, maybe a very few
progressive elements to it.
Three sides live: another live album after ABACAB, I think.
Mind you, I am not a Genesis expert. Theories abound as to what made Genesis
go pop. Most blame OPhil Collins. I think it cam about After Steve Hacket's
departure. Hacket is what made the band progressive, from what I have heard.
I like all their stuff that I have heard so far, (have yet to pick up some
Gabriel albums). That's what I know.
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 19:45:05 -0600 (CST)
From: russ@lulu.acns.nwu.edu
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: A new ytsejammer...
Message-ID: <199602290145.AA069588305@lulu.acns.nwu.edu>
>
> Hi everybody. My name is Charlie and this is my first message to the
> digests. I am of course a big Dream Theater fan, but being on this
> midwest campus (Northwestern) I stay very uninformed. I was extremely
Cool! I'm not alone here at NU!
> disappointed when I picked up A Change of Seasons and saw that Kevin
> Moore was no longer a member. I loved his work on "Space-Dye Vest" Can
> someone put me up to speed as to what happened? And don't get me wrong I
> think that the new guy Derek rocks, I'm just curious as to what happened
> to Kevin. Also, does anyone know when the new album is coming out? And
Kevin left because of "musical differences" and has done solo work.
As for the new album, I recently rejoined the list to get information on the
same.
> why does Barney Greenway of Napalm Death always show up in the special
> thanks? (I am also a big ND fan). Well nice joining you guys; I agree
He is thanked for "the infamous shirt" in the Awake liner. I think this is
the shirt James wore on the "Pull Me Under" video.
> with you that it is a shame that the masses aren't enjoying the musical
> complexity and mastery of Dream Theater...yet! =)
>
Unfortunately we're stuck with They Might Be Giants. :(
Russ
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 22:49:28 EST
From: thunder@UFCC.UFL.EDU
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Sorry, the gay thing......
Message-ID: <0099E9B7.7AC2BCC0.1@UFCC.UFL.EDU>
Im the dumbass that posted the Neil is gay thing, I APOLOGIZE, after sorting
through 50 post correcting me, I realized that I was told wrong. I thing
that in order to correct a persons mistake, 1 or 2 posts are needed, but the
shit kept coming in. well again I acknowledge that I fucked up in a BIG way!
Sorry, and thanx for the insults....
Thunder
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 20:16:57 -0800
From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
To: The BafuJam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: What band has the initials "TGWTSIAHFB"?
Message-ID: <199602290416.UAA17300@cats.ucsc.edu>
Why, it's "The Groovy White Trash Singers In A Hot Funky Band" o'course!
__ /\ __
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 23:13:56 EST
From: KTYA28B@prodigy.com (MS DEBBIE M VESTAL)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: in ten years....
Message-ID: <096.02367179.KTYA28B@prodigy.com>
Lugie wrote....
>It seems the only bands that seem to survive for a long time without too
>many line-up changes are those with a family (or something almost as
>close) connection. Example: Van Halen. They've only had on line up
>change since
>1976 and it doesn't look like it'll ever happen again.
Oh really....what about RUSH, The Rolling Stones, U2...etc? I think that
it might have more to do with maturity. It was Kevin's choice to leave the
band...and James was a definite improvement. So far, Dream Theater has
made changes that are for the better IMHO. Kevin wouldn't have been happy
locked into the band....and he wouldn't have put his best effort into the
music. One of the reasons why I enjoy Dream Theater is that they seem to
be mature adults. They aren't adolescent in their subject matter nor their
style...and I'll assume that they treat each other with respect. Because of
this, I think that they might just be around for many years to come.
Cat
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~IN GODS WE TRUST.........................................
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ALL OTHERS PAY CASH......................
-STEVEN BRUST
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 23:14:05 EST
From: KTYA28B@prodigy.com (MS DEBBIE M VESTAL)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: DT mainstream???????
Message-ID: <096.02367199.KTYA28B@prodigy.com>
Hey Andrew....
I *think* that you are referring to some of the 10 years down the line
posts. Do you consider RUSH mainstream? How about Yes? I think what
people are trying to get across is that they hope Dream Theater will get
more airplay, gain more respect, and ascend to their rightful place in the
pantheon of musical greats. Progressive rock bands rarely "sell out and go
mainstream" as you said. If they do, they give up their claim to being a
"Progressive" band. By the ammount of posts that read along the lines, "If
only I had ONE other person here at (insert college of choice) that I could
talk to about Dream Theater and who actually knows what the hell I am
talking about....sigh", I think I detect a longing for a wider
appreciation of progressive metal in general and Dream Theater
specifically. Do you remember where RUSH was right before Moving Pictures
came out? Well....I think Dream Theater is at that point right now.
Although I haven't been all that enthusiastic about RUSH's last few
releases...I don't think they've ever sold out. SOOOO....Rest easy, I
don't think you're going to have to worry about that....:)
Cat
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~IN GODS WE TRUST.........................................
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ALL OTHERS PAY CASH......................
-STEVEN BRUST
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 20:29:59 -0800
From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
To: The BafuJam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: More
Message-ID: <199602290429.UAA18993@cats.ucsc.edu>
"and I'd like to hear JM play a Stick."
"Thunk bonk, biffa biffa *crack* oops." I used to play with sticks when I
was young. Then I moved on to rocks.
I have a subconscious for sale. It's 23 years old, prone to diversions when
not needed, creates weird dreams, and has a hard time relinguishing control
to the conscious mind in the morning. cheap.
And I don't believe Derek is gay, nor is Neil Peart. Now, as we all know,
Lars of Metallica is gay... (JOKE!!!!)
And I disagree with Pat about wanting the new FW CD split into tracks. If
it's one long song, let it be one long song. I like the fact that the CD
version of Thick as a Brick is one long track. Of course, if it skips in
the car and the cd resets, oh shit. ;)
And I'd be interested in partaking of the tribute, but I don't have time. :(
Also, I doubt other people would be as interested in a full-on MIDI keyboard
only version of a DT song? :) (maybe SDV...)
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