YTSEJAM Digest 1301
Today's Topics:
1) Whoops
by nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop)
2) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 02/28/96 - 15:15:17" <response@ibmmail.com>
3) rush
by Matt Rosin <msr7146@tam2000.tamu.edu>
4) What???
by rbarker@epix.net
5) Diatribes
by Matt Rosin <msr7146@tam2000.tamu.edu>
6) Ibanez JPM 100 Guitar
by Corporate Community Relations <buckley@powdml.ENET.dec.com>
7) Testing
by response@ibmmail.com
8) Maiden n' covers
by ernie@ns.pananet.com (ernie)
9) Re: Error Condition Re: test
by "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
10) in 10
by WildKoba@aol.com
11) I was just thinking (God help us all !)
by skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
12) Re: Let's Drop The Gay Issue
by Sniper <marc_pe@alcor.concordia.ca>
13) YTSEJAM digest 1298
by "Steven Johnson" <svjohnson@amoco.com>
14) YTSEJAM digest 1297
by "Steven Johnson" <svjohnson@amoco.com>
15) A new ytsejammer...
by Charles D Harrison <cdh191@casbah.acns.nwu.edu>
16) Re: Ten Years Gone,
by KTYA28B@prodigy.com (MS DEBBIE M VESTAL)
17) Re: Rumble in the Bronx
by "Brian Kirk, O:ABB, OU1:USVGI, P:ABB, A:ATTMAIL, C:US" <brian.kirk@USVGI.mail.abb.com>
18) RE:doomo
by Kotaro Nagai <GAA01107@niftyserve.or.jp>
19) DT as sex symbols
by DreamNDay@aol.com
20) can I play too?
by marcr@tiac.net (Marc Respass)
21) Dtrib!
by "The Great Wally Llama." <wdlehmku@hilltop.ic.edu>
22) What makes it prog-rock?
by Andrew <acos0206@uriacc.uri.edu>
23) prog fans, I need your help!
by "Dave D'Uva" <dduva@freenet.npiec.on.ca>
24) Re: stuff (NDTC)
by "Jonathan Byrne" <RRI02@WVNVM.WVNET.EDU>
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 96 15:56:17 +0100
From: nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: nga@server3.software-ag.de
Subject: Whoops
Message-ID: <9602281456.AA00322@sundoc13.software-ag.de>
hi all
OK, OK, so I screwed up on my last post. Of course I meant Bombay Vindaloo and
not The Ytsejam. Still, you try listening to Napalm Death and not having your
brain go all soft and mushy. Do I still get the job of screaming on the tribute
project? My office mate has even suggested I go all the way and try for a good
loud "please don't go", but so far I keep forgetting the words. I won't give up
though: I'll bet the vocals for Awake weren't recorded in just a single take.
stay safe and happy listening
Neil Gallop
(nga@software-ag.de)
Currently playing: Nine Inch Nails - Pretty Hate Machine
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 10:16:09 EST
From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 02/28/96 - 15:15:17" <response@ibmmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mail Item Format Warning
Message-ID: <199602281516.HAA22616@mindcrime.ax.com>
The mail item that you sent at 15:14:26 GMT on 28 Feb 1996 has been delivered.
However, it has been necessary to convert this item into a
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 09:16:04 -0600 (CST)
From: Matt Rosin <msr7146@tam2000.tamu.edu>
To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: rush
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960228091236.13453A-100000@tam2000.tamu.edu>
you know, it never ceases to astound me how every time rush has a new
album in the works a new rumor starts about one of the members. remember
when neil supposedly had cancer? when geddy had cancer? when alex had
cancer? when neil had AIDS? now neil is gay despite his wife and
daughter? please, look into your facts before you start spouting out
rumors about musicians. would you do it if the person was just a normal
person you knew? probably not. give musicians the same respect.
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Matt Rosin * SURREALITY: ambient-experimental
PO Box 15315 * IMAGESCAPE: ambient-progressive metal
College Station, TX * Matt Rosin: vocals/synths/programming
77841-7315 * http://http.tamu.edu:8000/~msr7146/imagescape
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 96 10:24:12 PST
From: rbarker@epix.net
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: What???
Message-ID: <Chameleon.960228103004.rbarker@.epix.net>
Sorry, but Neil Peart is not gay. His is married!!!
Lets get off this gay thing and start on something more
intelligent. How about sending info about Dream Theater to
each other. I don't really want my hard drive taken up with,
Dereck's gay, Neil's gay, Daniel Boone was a satanist, Lonnie
Anderson is a man, and so on and so on.........That should
have covered all the possible topics.
On to Dream Theater now, what is WDATU? Is it a
bootleg? I'm new here and have yet to totally catch on to
somethings. See ya
Rob
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Name: Barker
E-mail: rbarker@epix.net
Date: 2/28/96
Time: 10:24:12 AM
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 09:29:01 -0600 (CST)
From: Matt Rosin <msr7146@tam2000.tamu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Diatribes
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960228092701.13453B-100000@tam2000.tamu.edu>
Neil Gallop wrote:
> Now playing: Napalm Death: "Diatribes" (try if you dare!)
i have to agree, this is a superb album. my speakers can ALMOST handle it
in the car! ;) great music to run pedestrians down by. ;)
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Matt Rosin * SURREALITY: ambient-experimental
PO Box 15315 * IMAGESCAPE: ambient-progressive metal
College Station, TX * Matt Rosin: vocals/synths/programming
77841-7315 * http://http.tamu.edu:8000/~msr7146/imagescape
msr7146@tam2000.tamu.edu * email: imagescape@tamu.edu
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 96 10:56:25 EST
From: Corporate Community Relations <buckley@powdml.ENET.dec.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Ibanez JPM 100 Guitar
Message-ID: <9602281552.AA19113@us2rmc.zko.dec.com>
Of possible interest to fellow ytsejammers -- (1) Limited Edition
Ibanez JPM 100 John Petrucci Model guitar FOR SALE!
This "original" issue model and only 1 of 100 made. Black with
multi-colored "Picasso" graphics. Features two Dimarzio custom
wound pickups and an Ibanez low-profile whammy bridge. Comes
complete with a custom hardshell case and a certificate of
authenticity, signed by John Petrucci.
This guitar is completely BRAND NEW and NEVER PLAYED!! I bought
it as an "investment" two months ago and promptly put it into safe
storage. The guitar remains _unplayed_ and does not have one
scratch on it -- In absolute MINT condition!
I am now forced to sell this gem due to an impending (and VERY
unexpected) move. 8^( Asking $1,600. firm (just what I paid for
it). Guitar is located in the Boston, Mass. area, but will ship
within U.S. boundries. Please, serious inquiries only!
Mail to: buckley@powdml.enet.dec.com
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 11:43:36 -0500
From: response@ibmmail.com
Subject: Testing
Message-ID: <199602281643.LAA06373@wicked.stigmata.org>
This is a test
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 15:03:17 -0400
From: ernie@ns.pananet.com (ernie)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Maiden n' covers
Message-ID: <19960228200316.AAA8110@mail.pananet.com>
>Just listened to X Factor for the first time, and I have mixed feelings.
>Still sounds like Maiden, but Blaze Bayley sounds like Bruce Dickinson with
>a kick in the balls and no heart. Why did he have to leave? I think Joey
Yeah I had that unsatisied feeling when I first heard it too, but as time
went by I liked it more and more... I eventually got used to his singing...
I still don't like it, but I got used to it..
> If you don't record live you'll probably need the bass AND drums to
>record at the same time and then do the overdubs of everything else.
>Something to take into consideration, kids...
>
Unless you record the original song on one track... after the drummer and
bass player record their parts, you can erase it and use it for another
instrument...
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"We're on a mission from Rod. BUUUUURRPP!!"
Ernie ernie@mail.pananet.com
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 12:06:00 -0500 (EST)
From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Error Condition Re: test
Message-ID: <199602281706.MAA07135@wicked.stigmata.org>
In their latest letter, ytsejam@ax.com wrote
>
>
> i havent gotten anything in almost a day. Is there something wrong?
>
> Ed
>
Hey Ed ...
Just wanted to make sure you were recieving jams again.
You are subscribed, so you should be.
Ryan
-- +-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+ | Ryan P Skadberg skadz@bluesky.net | | System Administrator / Web Developer Blue Sky, Inc. | | http://www.bluesky.net/skadz/ http://www.dreamt.org/ | +-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+ | "'Seize the Day', I heard him say, Life will not always be this way" | +-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+------------------------------
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 12:22:08 -0500 From: WildKoba@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: in 10 Message-ID: <960228122205_335684789@emout07.mail.aol.com>
in 10 years, dream theater will be LONG BROKEN UP. solo albums, new bands....
can someone say magna carta?
my thoughts.
dk
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 09:41:10 -0800 From: skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook) To: ytsejam@ax.com.I.was.sitting.here.doing.....terrible.things.to.my.dog.with.a.forax.com.I.was.sitting.here.doing.....terrible.things.to.my.dog.with.a.fork Subject: I was just thinking (God help us all !) Message-ID: <199602281741.JAA17817@ix2.ix.netcom.com>
when I decided to put on the Birch Hill tape. When DT started playing BAD, wouldn't it have been cool if James said "This is off Acoustic Dreams." Since Mike Portnoy has the CD, the rest of the band has to know about it.
Scott Cook
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 13:18:50 -0500 (EST) From: Sniper <marc_pe@alcor.concordia.ca> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Let's Drop The Gay Issue Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.960228131040.2941A-100000@alcor.concordia.ca>
Hi fellow DT fans, this is my first post. I'm glad to be part of this great list.
There are just a couple of things I really want to get off my chest. First, let me respond to the guy who said Neil Peart is gay. What the hell are you talking about? I've been a Rush fan for 4-5 years and know that Neil is married with one kid!
Secondly, I hope we could stop all this talk about Derek being gay. I mean so what if he is? Does that make him any less talented? The bottom line is that we love their music, and shouldn't care about the sexual orientation.
Later, Marco.
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Date: 28 Feb 1996 10:12:10 GMT From: "Steven Johnson" <svjohnson@amoco.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: YTSEJAM digest 1298 Message-ID: <199602281825.AA11483@interlock.amoco.com>
*** Reply to note of 02/27/96 18:20 Strange....when I first joined the Jam about a year and change ago, I saw more posts that had technical jargon (Thanks, HAIRBALL----where'd you go, anyway?) that confused and amazed me. Lately, as the audience changes, I've seen a number of medical posts that also confuse and amaze me. LATER-
Steve
*************************************************************** e v i t c e p s r e p w e n a t e G Steve Johnson, Amoco Media Relations -- svjohnson@amoco.com ***************************************************************
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Date: 28 Feb 1996 10:07:10 GMT From: "Steven Johnson" <svjohnson@amoco.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: YTSEJAM digest 1297 Message-ID: <199602281825.AA04068@interlock.amoco.com>
*** Reply to note of 02/27/96 12:50 Glenn Waterfield!! You say you're in chicago? Drop me a line? Is 103.1 still VVX in Highland Park? Lemme kno!!!!!!!
Steve
*************************************************************** e v i t c e p s r e p w e n a t e G Steve Johnson, Amoco Media Relations -- svjohnson@amoco.com ***************************************************************
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 12:51:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Charles D Harrison <cdh191@casbah.acns.nwu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: A new ytsejammer... Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9602281215.A3292-0100000@casbah.acns.nwu.edu>
Hi everybody. My name is Charlie and this is my first message to the digests. I am of course a big Dream Theater fan, but being on this midwest campus (Northwestern) I stay very uninformed. I was extremely disappointed when I picked up A Change of Seasons and saw that Kevin Moore was no longer a member. I loved his work on "Space-Dye Vest" Can someone put me up to speed as to what happened? And don't get me wrong I think that the new guy Derek rocks, I'm just curious as to what happened to Kevin. Also, does anyone know when the new album is coming out? And why does Barney Greenway of Napalm Death always show up in the special thanks? (I am also a big ND fan). Well nice joining you guys; I agree with you that it is a shame that the masses aren't enjoying the musical complexity and mastery of Dream Theater...yet! =)
Charlie
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 14:46:07 EST From: KTYA28B@prodigy.com (MS DEBBIE M VESTAL) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Ten Years Gone, Message-ID: <096.02316608.KTYA28B@prodigy.com>
The Digital Man wrote...
>No, I understand that those bands have never written 20-minute songs. >The analogy was simply that REM and Nirvana were doing stuff that just >wasn't on the radio. Their music has only fit into programmer's schemes >for a short while, relative to how long those bands had been chugging >away at local bars and such. >BTW, I happen to really like REM.
I understand what you mean. Actually, REM would never be in direct competition with Dream Theater. Metal stations that have been overwhelmed with grunge never played REM. I enjoyed their music for awhile..until that Stupid Song..."this one goes out to blah, blah, blah...repeat ad neaseum...." O.K..so I hold grudges. That song did change my life...it turned me off to top 40 radio...for good. I did get careless though...I would rather listen to REM than the likes of Nirvana. Anyway, back to the topic...Dream Theater is already successful. They might not have the enormous CD sales that some bands have...but they aren't one hit wonders either. They are probably at a very comfortable point in their lives. I'm sure that they make a good living for themselves...and they don't have to worry about the pains of being enormously successful. I wonder if they would really want the kind of success bands like Nirvana have enjoyed? Obviously Kurt Cobain didn't find fame to be very fulfilling. I know that we would love for them to take over the airwaves and the world..but I wonder how that would affect them? It might be the catalyst that would break them up......you just never know.....
Cat
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~IN GODS WE TRUST......................................... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ALL OTHERS PAY CASH...................... -STEVEN BRUST
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 12:42:37 -0500 From: "Brian Kirk, O:ABB, OU1:USVGI, P:ABB, A:ATTMAIL, C:US" <brian.kirk@USVGI.mail.abb.com> To: /S=ytsejam/PRMD=ABB/ADMD=ATTMAIL/C=US/@EMX.ABB.COM Subject: Re: Rumble in the Bronx Message-ID: <"0228184237-Re: Rumble in the Bronx*/G=Brian/S=Kirk/OU=USVGI/O=ABB/PRMD=ABB/ADMD=ATTMAIL/C=US/"@MHS>
Bafu scribbled:
> (Adrenaline-Induced Advertisement: Everyone should go see "Rumble In The > Bronx." It R-O-C-K-S. I'll be first in line when Nike comes out with the > Air Chan cross-training/building-hopping/fence-scaling athletic shoe.)
I second, third and forth that motion. If you're looking for a good plot, you won't find it here, so try another movie. But you *will* leave the theater with your jaw dragging the ground in disbelief.
Brian Kirk, founder GNBYJA
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Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 05:07:00 +0900 From: Kotaro Nagai <GAA01107@niftyserve.or.jp> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: RE:doomo Message-ID: <199602282008.FAA29999@inetnif.niftyserve.or.jp>
Brandon,
The word "Doomo" is used as a proverv like the word "very" . "Doomo arigato", which means " Thank you very much" as STYX uses the song called "Mr.Robot".
regards.
*** K.Nagai: gaa01107@niftyserve.or.jp from Japan<96/02/27 06:59> ***
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 15:15:49 -0500 From: DreamNDay@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT as sex symbols Message-ID: <960228151547_233505491@emout07.mail.aol.com>
Well I now this thread has died down, but I got a friend into DT and she went out and bought "Ay-Cose". I asked her what she thought of the band itself and she sais"That vocalist is pretty cute, the one with the overalls (Mike) is gross, the Korean (meaning John M, BTW I know he's not Korean) is so ugly, that one whos just standing there (John P) is a dud, but that one with the short hair is the cutest one of all!" later--------------Brian
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 15:30:34 -0500 From: marcr@tiac.net (Marc Respass) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: can I play too? Message-ID: <v01530500ad5a50ce234f@[206.119.183.235]>
Hey! What's the deal with this tribute thing where people are convering DT?! I have the music to, have practiced and can play the bass parts to Erotomania and Lie. I'd love to do bass for one of those songs. I have the part to CiAW too but there's one section that's really killing me and will take a lot more practicing to get down.
Then, I haven't had time to read many 'jams but I came across this and thought it was funny.
> On a different note, whats the bullshit about Sherinian > sexuality, who gives a fuck!, Ive been listening to Rush for > years, even though Peart is gay. ^^^^^^^^^^^
ha ha. I don't think Peart is gay but it seemed funny that despite that, one would listen as if one doesn't normally listen to groups with members whose sexual persuasion differs from "the norm." :).
--Marc R
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 14:56:45 -0600 (CST) From: "The Great Wally Llama." <wdlehmku@hilltop.ic.edu> To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Dtrib! Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.960228145135.11720I-100000@hilltop.ic.edu>
Hello fellow cake-eaters! Just dropping a line, saying that all the names and info on the Dream Theater Tribute should be sent to your personal account sometime tommorow, I've been collecting names for the project all this week and it looks like we have enough interest to start things off! Again if you are interested in contributing something, e-mail me and I'll put you down!!!!
Someone said they play trumpet and was interested in this project, but I don't have your email address, so please get ahold of me, there's another guy who plays trombone so it might be possible to do the Big Band Theory! ;-)
Later,
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"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most."
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-Dev #17-
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 12:58:54 -0800 From: Andrew <acos0206@uriacc.uri.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: What makes it prog-rock? Message-ID: <199602282058.MAA26359@mindcrime.ax.com>
Hey, There was a thread awhile back that Extreme wasn't prog-rock, just really intricate rock, or something to that effect. If that's the case, then King's X wouldn't be prog-rock either would it? I was listening to it today and it doesn't seem to hold any progressive traits. I love King's X and all but now I'm confused as to what defines Progressive rock. As for DT being around in ten years, I say they will. In all magazines and stuff, it seems that they strive to be different. Also, I thought Portnoy mentioned something about NOT becoming part of a fad so they'll be around for a long time. Just a thought. . .
*********************************************************** ** -9 out of 10 psychologists recommend the music ** ** of Dream Theater to augment the senses and ** ** to create a natural feeling of euphoria. ** ** ** ** -To do things right, you must do them yourself. ** ** -To do nothing at all becomes someone else's problem. ** ** ** *********************************************************** -Andrew-
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 15:56:52 -0500 (EST) From: "Dave D'Uva" <dduva@freenet.npiec.on.ca> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: prog fans, I need your help! Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9602281544.A16733-0100000@freenet>
Okay Jammers, this is urgent. If there's anyone out there who can direct me to some decent resources for progressive music in general, whether in print or on the net or whatever, please email me ASAP! But the key word(s) here are "in general." I don't need stuff on particular groups or individuals. Well, I do, but I can take care of that pretty much by myself. I *really* need material pertaining to the genre/style itself, like what makes music progressive, and that sort of stuff. Help me out, please and thanks in advance!
----dave --dduva@freenet.npiec.on.ca
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 17:38:48 -0500 (EST) From: "Jonathan Byrne" <RRI02@WVNVM.WVNET.EDU> To: "YtseJam" <ytsejam@AX.COM> Subject: Re: stuff (NDTC) Message-ID: <199602282239.OAA27920@mindcrime.ax.com>
On 02/28/96 at 06:55:53 Pat Daugherty said: >We need to kill this Derek is Gay thread, and Neil is Gay thread, because >they aren't and who cares anyway.
Ditto. Amen. Fuckin' A, Bubba!
>I went and bought Genesis's "Selling England by the Pound". The more I listen >to this the more I like it. It is an awesome progressive album. This >was my first Genesis purchase except for the tribute album. I would assume >that all the albums with Peter Gabriel on vocals are the most progressive? >Who is associated with Genesis's demise as progressive and turn to pop and >sold out stadiums?
Well, that is a little tricky. Some will say that after Gabirel left, it all went to hell. Others would say the downturn started after Steve Hackett left, two albums later. I personally fall in the latter group, and believe that they didn't really get to hell until after _Duke_. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- "They say these is strangeness, too dangerous Jonathan Byrne In our theaters and bookstore shelves West Virginia University Those who know what's best for us rri02@wvnvm.wvnet.edu Must rise and save us from ourselves." -Neil Peart, "Witch Hunt: Part III of 'Fear'", Rush
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