YTSEJAM Digest 1307
Today's Topics:
1) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 03/01/96 - 00:51:41" <response@ibmmail.com>
2) IAW vs. Awake
by "Jill M. Lentchner" <jmlentch@mailbox.syr.edu>
3) acos covers
by Shamus McConney <savage@grove.ufl.EDU>
4) context
by Archfates@aol.com
5) WoW!!!
by "One if by land, TWO if by ME!!" <JCCROWDER@Harding.edu>
6) RE: Damn the Machine (NDTC)
by sjensen@research.westlaw.com
7) first post
by "Thomas Falk" <Tom_Falk@msn.com>
8) Re: Liszt, Flat Cats, Prog
by KTYA28B@prodigy.com (MS DEBBIE M VESTAL)
9) "No Market"
by rtgood@students.wisc.edu (ryan good)
10) Shadow Gallery
by "Ryan Eschauzier '97" <rdesc@conncoll.edu>
11) Just an observation....
by KTYA28B@prodigy.com (MS DEBBIE M VESTAL)
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1304
by GADEM@why.net (GADEM)
13) various from 1306
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
14) NERF ROCK!
by keu@pointblank.com
15) fact or fiction?
by Archfates@aol.com
16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1304
by KTYA28B@prodigy.com (MS DEBBIE M VESTAL)
17) introducing Kevman
by Kevin McEacharn <kevman@iamerica.net>
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Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 19:52:32 EST
From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 03/01/96 - 00:51:41" <response@ibmmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mail Item Format Warning
Message-ID: <199603010052.QAA07075@mindcrime.ax.com>
The mail item that you sent at 00:52:25 GMT on 01 Mar 1996 has been delivered.
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Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 20:08:24 -0500 (EST)
From: "Jill M. Lentchner" <jmlentch@mailbox.syr.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: IAW vs. Awake
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960229195839.16546B-100000@gamera.syr.edu>
Hi all. Just wanted to throw in my two cents regarding the
changes in DT from IAW to Awake. I agree with Ben that in most
circumstances we prefer the first thing we listen to. In most of our cases
this would be IAW. However, I tend to think if you give new stuff a
chance and listen to it often, it can easily replace the first thing you
heard. In the particular case of IAW and Awake, I must agree with the guy
who said he likes IAW better anyway. I think one big change in Awake was
a small (I mean very small, don't kill me!), loss of originality. With
the exception of PMU and TTT off of IAW, there was little done with
chorus, it was all new as it was played. Awake contains a lot more
repetitive stuff and choruses. This, I HATE, to say is typical of most
mainstream bands. Of course, DT is in no way in the same league but it is
a change of style that is typical of bands I won't even mention on the
jam.
Just my opinion as always:-)
BTW, I see more and more of us orchestral/band instruments out there.
What are we going to do guys?
Jill
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Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 20:27:09 -0500 (EST)
From: Shamus McConney <savage@grove.ufl.EDU>
To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: acos covers
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.960229202455.3471A-100000@magnolia>
hi
if i remember right they did not releace any thing that had a non-band
member playing on it because of an attempt to elimate(?SP) contract and
rights problems. later
shamus
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*"As I wake in the morning just to miss the sunset.*Shamus McConney *
* I lie here crying, but I know not why I'm upset. *savage@grove.ufl.edu *
* So I wipe away the little portions of my youth. *http://grove.ufl.edu/*
* Only to reveal another mystery and not a truth." *~savage *
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* -Adesso che ho perso la vista, ci vedo meglio e di piu. *
* "I was blind all the time while I was learning to see." *
* "Take the Time" -Dream Theater *
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Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 20:20:29 -0500
From: Archfates@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: context
Message-ID: <960229202027_234668323@emout04.mail.aol.com>
> Do you have trouble reading things in context? Perhaps that
> is why Dream Theater chose James instead of you for their
> vocalist. Or is Brian... lying?!
My reading skills are fine, I made an error sending a post, while some of
my
faculties were elswhere. Brian was not the originator of the message,
his friend was , but it was his post , not the first of it's kind.
I would recant my coarsness to brian but not the message.
I consider the guys in DT especially mike, friends of mine
and I am just fed up with the whole gay/ ugly/drug issues
and anyone who perpetuates it! Why would you want to post
something like that ? They are some of the nicest guys you would
ever want to meet and if they are so unearthly , (MP. JP. JM.)
They sure have great looking wives.Now that I'm finished explaining
myself on that matter ......
Zach, do you have a problem writing things in context?
And no I don't think brian is lying. When I auditioned for DT in 1990
James Labrie was nowhere in site he came along months after, may I
humbly add I'm glad he did. So you see it was'nt a choice between
anybody, I had to make personal choices for me and my family
that you couldn't possibly Know any thing about!!! So perhaps your wrong.
If you want to continue this, feel more than free to e-mail me personally
to spare the jam from the non DT content.
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Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 19:13:56 -0500 (CDT)
From: "One if by land, TWO if by ME!!" <JCCROWDER@Harding.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: WoW!!!
Message-ID: <01I1SP25YBAE002ILP@acs.harding.edu>
Gosh, it sure does feel good to write to all of you again! Man, has
it been a long time since I wrote a message (December something :( ) I
really like the format, but who in the freakin' hell is "RESPONSE at
IBMMAIL"? I'd say I've seen that 40 times already!!! Man, get a new
server! I've been reading the jams and I see that someone thinks Neal
Peart is gay...GAY?! Hell no!!! This man is no pervert! He's as straight
and forward as a Bafu post! (that's pretty straight and forward, although
twisted to some deg Green Day will be "N10 years from now, DT will have
finally received some of the recognition they deserve, MTV will be
bankrupt, and Green Day will be "National Shit Musicians Day", and Bafu Vai
will be in jail for verbally assaulting NuGgEtmAN :)
Well, as for my CD player, the CD's that are in it are:
1) Dream Theater - When Dream and Day Unite ...playing now...
2) Savatage : STREETS : A Rock Opera
3) Savatage - Edge of Thorns
4) Savatage - Handful of Rain
5) Genesis - We Can't Dance
Later fellas,
Chris
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* Chris Crowder * Dream Theater, Rush, Alice in Chains, *
* HU Box #596 * Queensyrche, Genesis, Metallica, *
* Searcy, AR 72149-0001 * Silverchair, Clint Black, Blues Traveler *
* * *** and the list goes on *** *
* <jccrowder@harding.edu> * *
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Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 19:50:22 -0600
From: sjensen@research.westlaw.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: RE: Damn the Machine (NDTC)
Message-ID: <9603010150.AA16570@research.westlaw.com>
No offense to Andrew, but if you can't find Damn The Machine in the used
section of any CD store, you're not looking. If you have Wherehouse Records
(Western U.S.) in your city check the 99 cent bin. That's where I found mine.
It is good stuff, however.
Scott
>> I just got ahold of a copy of Damn the Machine's s/t CD. This is some
>>really good prog-metal. I knew Chris Poland had some potential from his
>>Megadeth days and the solo instrumental CD, but with a band and some vocals,
>>he's great! I guess Dave Mustaine with his dominating personality kinda
>>repressed Chris. I don't recall if Chris had any writing credits w/
Megadeth,
>>but he certainly showed that he can write on this CD! I believe it is out
of
>>print, but thanks to Alexis Ramos, I picked up a copy from Columbia House,
if
>>you can believe that! It came in less than a week and at last check, they
>>still had copies in stock. It is expensive ($20), but it's worth it. If
>>you're interested, mail me. I still have the order # somewhere in my email
>>logs.
>>Later,
>> Andrew
-- garinger@pilot.msu.edu Zeta Beta Tau-Beta Epsilon Chapter "Ynos" --- "There's a man who is lonely There's a girl he's been seeing This could change if he'd only From afar he's been dreaming Take a chance and risk stepping He could have her if he were outside himself someone else So he silently awaits A major change in fate A change that comes too late" - Enchant "The Thirst" "A damn accurate assessment of my love life." - Me --- DreamTheaterBraindanceALLRushthedroogsThOughtIndustryStabbingWestwardDownbyLaw<---- End Included Message ---->
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Date: Fri, 1 Mar 96 01:56:33 UT From: "Thomas Falk" <Tom_Falk@msn.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: first post Message-ID: <UPMAIL09.199603010159040842@msn.com>
Hello jammers,
This is my first post. I enjoy reading many of the informative and humorous messages on the ytsejam. First of all, I'd like to say that I am yet another person interested in covering DT. I'm a guitar player now, but I have a background in piano/keyboards, french horn and saxophone (and I could probably pick up a trumpet since I played a mellophonium, a similar instrument). I'm also interested in production (though I really don't know much about it). Since I have a limited income, and I can't afford many bootlegs, does anyone recommend any bootlegs that are absolutely necessary?
To Scott Cook: I can't believe what you said about Eric Carr. Actually, I can, since I heard it from somebody else. Now I almost definitely believe it. What they did to him was disgusting. I've been (was?) a fan for about six years. I don't buy this reunion tour they're doing, either. I'm seriously considering boycotting these phonies. (I'd say more about this, but I know that this is supposed to be about DT and most of you don't want to hear about Kiss.) BTW, Scott: did you get my tapes for the Birch Hill show?
To finally put the "Neil Peart is gay" thing to rest forever (espescially [sp?] since the guy that said it admitted he was wrong, this sort of an appendix): what do you think the line "I went to his parties as a straight minority" means?
Jeff Falk "I bring truth and understanding, I bring wit and wisdom fair ... precious gifts beyond compare" Neil Peart (Rush)---"Cygnus X-1Book II: Hemispheres- II. Apollo/Dionysus c 1978 CORE Music Publishing (ASCAP) CAPAC, Canada
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Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 20:43:32 EST From: KTYA28B@prodigy.com (MS DEBBIE M VESTAL) To: Ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Liszt, Flat Cats, Prog Message-ID: <096.02439141.KTYA28B@prodigy.com>
> > -------------------------------------- > | KEU@POINTBLANK.com > | http://www.pb.net/~pleasuredome > | QUOTE OF THE DAY!!!!!!!!!!! > | The more you Run over a Cat > | THE FLATTER IT GETS!!!!!!!! > --------------------------------------
>>Any thoughts on this, Debbie?
I'm Sure the same could be said about Mr. or Ms. anonymous at KEU@POINTBLANK.COM................AND then again FLATTERy gets you everywhere (squish)........;)
Cat
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~IN GODS WE TRUST......................................... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ALL OTHERS PAY CASH...................... -STEVEN BRUST
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Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 20:05:45 -0600 From: rtgood@students.wisc.edu (ryan good) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: "No Market" Message-ID: <199603010205.UAA92463@audumla.students.wisc.edu>
To all Ytsejammers and the conversation about mainstream progressive possibilities: You all are probably aware of my Struggle to get research material for my research paper here at Madison. Right now, I think I'm going to title it "Audience vs. Industry" or "Progressive Rock and The Radio Industry" or what not. Anyway.... Most of my research has been involving radio stations and the industry. What I've been finding out so far is that (I'll find some direct quotes here, hold on.....) radio in general is "sticking its neck out with some new programming ideas." (they haven't tried prog, right??). "...radio is becoming more creative and programming is becoming more targeted" (Maybe they'll target us proggers!). "We're intentionally choosing niche formats with growth potential; we don't want to be like everyone else." (Well, do it!!). One article begins "Maybe it isn't news that radio programming has fragmented into enough silces to amply feed the narrowest of music and/or information tastes." Sure, this isn't news, but I think the industry is afraid of jumping into the water and TRYING a prog format. Lord knows with so many wealthy (read:filthy rich) media entreprenuers (sp?) out there, what's a few million down the drain?? Actually, it wouldn't even take that much. Another article states that modern rock radio is seeing a "dry spell", Well, I say fucking great. It's about time. Even good old Z-rock is changing. The station says they are going for a " 'theater of the mind' vibe. 'more pink floydie, more heady'. " **************************************************************************** ************ My fine prog friends, I don't know of a better time to GET OFF OUR ASSES AND DO SOMETHING. On the other hand, who says the public will be able to handle such a drastic change?? HOWEVER, we are all aware that the general public WILL be spoonfed, but then again, the general public has to equal money. We are in the midst of a Catch-22. One way, the music will be equated with marketability, or the music will remain underground. What do we do?? Radio could play it, because they are looking for a change, but, how can the radio play it and play it well without prog becoming a money making scandle like Hootie and Coolio. What can we DO????????
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"I hate commercial radio, and I want to be a DJ?" "I'm being persecuted because I'm not an athlete" "Cheaters never get in trouble"
name - Ryan T. Good e-mail - rtgood@students.wisc.edu phone - 1-(608)-264-2268 what - Madison Student Radio who - Music Staff (Music Stapher) which kind - Progressive Rock/Heavy Metal why - why not?
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Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 21:37:31 -0500 (EST) From: "Ryan Eschauzier '97" <rdesc@conncoll.edu> To: RESPONSE at IBMAIL <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Shadow Gallery Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9602292136.B16340-0100000@dsys.cc.conncoll.edu>
I just received in the mail a tape copy of Shadow Gallery's first CD, from a trade. Everyone has probably heard of their second release "Carved in Stone." Well, the only criticism of that cd I really heard from more than one person was that the lyrics were cheesy. Although I agree to a point, I thought the lyrics were pretty decent, and I think Carved in Stone is GREAT! The first album is FULL of cheesy lyrics. In the second song, "Darktown" there is a lyric "you're in a dark town, honey, whoa, whoa" , this is a great song, except for this part. All in all, I really like this album, too, but you can tell they got A LOT better with their second release. There is another 20 minute epic song "The Queen of The City of Ice" which is good, except for the spoken word part, where the king of the city cries about losing his queen, and how sad he is. But, Shadow Gallery fans, GET THIS CD! There are some great songs on it, including The Dance of Fools, and Say Goodbye to The Morning. Listen for the awesome flute solos. I believe that Magna Carta is rereleasing it in the near future. If you like Carved in Stone, there are definitely songs on this album for you. Thanks.
2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * *{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}* "A Bridge is not a high place "Stealthily Attacking The fifty second floor By-Tor slays his foe Icarus would know The men are free to run now A mountain isn't far to fall In the labyrinth below" When you've fallen from the moon." -Steve Hogarth -Neil Peart *<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>* rdesc@conncoll.edu Ryan Eschauzier '97 (860) 439-4085 Connecticut College
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Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 21:09:28 EST From: KTYA28B@prodigy.com (MS DEBBIE M VESTAL) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Just an observation.... Message-ID: <096.02442412.KTYA28B@prodigy.com>
Elliot wrote: > They have the mega-success they deserve over in Japan, selling out >arenas, being mobbed by fans, and all the trappings of success. O.k....what's big here in the good ol' US of A????? Grunge, rap, country and sugar coated dance trash...
Which country continually rates better in education? Think about that.
O.k....I know about statistics and I've never read about a correlation between the quality of one's education and the quality of the music one listens to....but it sort of makes you think about it, doesn't it?
Cat
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~IN GODS WE TRUST......................................... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ALL OTHERS PAY CASH...................... -STEVEN BRUST
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Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 20:45:06 -0600 From: GADEM@why.net (GADEM) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1304 Message-ID: <19960301024501005.AAA264@dal60.why.net>
At 11:04 AM 2/29/96 -0800, you wrote:
> Franz Liszt, a virtuoso >composer >What I'd like to know is can Kevin Moore and Derik Sherrinian play these >difficult compostions by Liszt? Have they even TRIED? I bet they could. > >Also, were discussing what a virtuoso is (that's a musician who can play >incredibly complex music which few other musicians can play). The first >two names that came to mind for me were John Petrucci and Neil Peart >(who, BTW is NOT gay). > What??? Yea right they could play them. Do you have any idea what it takes to play classical music? I play piano - and there is no way they could. The technical, let alone musical concepts are of a completely different nature than the stuff Dream Theater puts out.
Yea.
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Date: Thu, 29 Feb 96 19:15:31 PST From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: various from 1306 Message-ID: <9603010315.AA25736@tengs1>
> Subject: DT being popular: > If there would be a way for Dream Theater to be introduced to the masses > without having the 'copycat' syndrome start, cool. But the general > public isn't ready for it. I've played DT to many, many people. Some > people liked it, but most did not. At least some of them appreciated > DT's talent and didn't pass them off as a 'cheezy 80's metal band'. > Yeah, believe it or not i've heard that before.
I think people who say that don't really _listen_ to music. Like my friend's sister, who, when I told her I liked complex music, said "Why? Because you like to know what 'key' it's in?" How ignorant! I stopped the argument after that since we were raising our voices at each other (and I kinda like her !>)>
> Subject: Ytsejam Big Band > > I play French Horn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If somebody can > think of something to do, I'm in.
What if someone plays with themself, can they be in on the project, too? ("Ytse"-Ben Lsaod, pretend you didn't see that.) > Subject: R.I.P. Live at the Marquee > deleted. If anyone out there has been thinking about buying the CD, now > might be a good time to do it. Once you're store is out of stock, they > could run into a problem finding more.
Good idea. Btw, I recently saw non-import copies of WDADU and _Chasing Time_ (Fates Warning) in the local independent music store. Pick 'em up.
> Subject: DT has no soul? > > >That's true...how would radio play help us? We already have the CD's. I > >have already confirmed that DT does not go over well with people my age. > >I tried to play Awake at a pizza party...half the people threatened my > >life, half of half looked a little confused, and the rest ignored it. > > i know the feeling. except for me it was with the band i used to play > with. i played some of LATM for them at practice one day. one of the > guys insulted it, i believe metropolis was playing at the time. He > said: > > "shit that technical has no soul. i like street music. you know, like > nirvana?"
What the hell? I *strongly* disagree. I think a lot of progressive rock/metal, like classical, evokes _higher_ emotions and stimulates those places in the soul that most people never bother to find. If people uplift within themselves that which is simple, mundane, and animalistic and call it "soul" then I say, let them live with their illusions. I have my reality.
Zach
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Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 22:28:04 -0500 From: keu@pointblank.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: NERF ROCK! Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.2.29.-10.28.4.2377490627.1231431@pointblank.com>
Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net> Once Said:
Bullhonky! There aren't even two DREAM THEATER songs that sound the same!
------------------------------------------- Did I say Dream Theater?? I said MOST prog Rock bands...
>NERF ROCK!!!!!! He called Music that I grew up with NERF >rock. Thats like calling Mike Tyson A WHIMP!!! > ^^^^^ > gheeze............... > ^^^^^^
What's with this guy and extra H's? Ih dhon't ghet iht.
The Extra H's Are None of your Beeze wacks!
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Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 22:32:22 -0500 From: Archfates@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: fact or fiction? Message-ID: <960229223221_157073912@mail02.mail.aol.com>
John- I figured I'd run this one by you...I heard Alex Skolnick has joined Dream Theater...please say it ain't so! I don't know if I could handle a whole slew of meaningless arpeggios being played by a guy with a white streak in his hair in DT! -See ya... -Jack
Someone want to answer this ? fact or fiction?
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Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 22:51:08 EST From: KTYA28B@prodigy.com (MS DEBBIE M VESTAL) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1304 Message-ID: <096.02454722.KTYA28B@prodigy.com>
>What??? Yea right they could play them. Do you have any idea what it >takes to play classical music? I play piano - and there is no way they >could. The technical, let alone musical concepts are of a completely >different nature than the stuff Dream Theater puts out.
Yeah? Last I heard, they ARE classically trained....and at least they CREATE music. But maybe there IS a difference between a technician and an artist........IMHO.
Cat
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~IN GODS WE TRUST......................................... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ALL OTHERS PAY CASH...................... -STEVEN BRUST
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Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 22:07:23 -0600 From: Kevin McEacharn <kevman@iamerica.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: introducing Kevman Message-ID: <313677FB.3B78@iamerica.net>
Hello. Been following ytsejam for a while now...very glad to be here. It's really nice to see a group of people who have the depth of mind to appreciate songs on an epic proportion (i.e. CoS). Dream Theater very definately defines (IMO) what music is all about. JP is a duly noted badass...as are the rest of the band.
Re: The tribute thing...
need a singer?
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