YTSEJAM Digest 1230
Today's Topics:
1) Dalbello (was Re: Victor)
by kbibb@arastar.com (Ken Bibb)
2) Letterman
by zebrowski steven <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
3) Hey, how about me?
by Martin Spain <M.G.Spain@herts.ac.uk>
4) thoughts from the UK
by Tim Spear <tspear@veilmaya.demon.co.uk>
5) Megadeth on Letterman
by DreamNDay@aol.com
6) re: essay question
by eiagm@eznet.net
7) DT Aspect/doupled riffs
by Karri K Kiviluoma <kkiviluo@snakemail.hut.fi>
8) ACOS Live - The "Outro"
by "mmetzger" <mmetzger@bostech.com>
9) Portnoy Interview, Part 2
by BIORDI Bruno <biorb@mail.interpac.be>
10) Topic :: David :: Kobayashi
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
11) 2000, Myung, Glorious Prose
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
12) Questions
by MLang77047@aol.com
13) Thoughts on Ken's Moderation
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
14) Meeting DT (Re: YTSEJAM digest 1228)
by Joseph Dunn <jdunn@toto.csustan.edu>
15) AOL IRC (Re: YTSEJAM digest 1227)
by Bogie34@aol.com
16) Queensryche CDROM (Re: YTSEJAM digest 1227)
by Bogie34@aol.com
17) 8 yr old songs....
by MillerA@act.org
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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 22:00:15 +0800
From: kbibb@arastar.com (Ken Bibb)
To: ytsejam
Subject: Dalbello (was Re: Victor)
Message-ID: <9601170600.AA19213@anthor.arastar.com>
> and one with someone named Dalbello(female) on lead.
> Anyone know who she is? [I answer this in a separate post--kbibb]
36 year old Lisa Dalbello is a Canadian singer/songwriter who Kerrang!
described as being "the elite of the elite". She's probably best known
among Ytsejammers for having penned "Gonna Get Close To You" that
Queensryche covered on "Rage For Order". She's also written songs
that have appeared on Heart and Helix albums and has contributed
backing vocals on a number of albums (including one by Cher).
The easiest-to-find track by her band "Dalbello" is "Black on Black"
off of the "9 1/2 Weeks" soundtrack. (It also appears on her album
"She" (with a Queensrychian intro)--I don't remember if the cool intro
is also on the soundtrack.)
She looks kinda like a black-haired Michelle Pfeiffer in some of the
black-and-white pix that I've seen of her.
-- Ken Bibb "If the boundary breaks I'm no longer alone kbibb@arastar.com Don't discourage me jester@crash.cts.com Bring out the stars/On the first day" David Sylvian--"The First Day"------------------------------
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 16:11:18 -0500 (EST) From: zebrowski steven <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Letterman Message-ID: <199601162111.QAA08224@umbc8.umbc.edu>
I believe it was Ben Laussade <Ktulu> who had the idea for the letter writing campaign to get DT onto the David Letterman show. I think this sounds like a good idea. I can't imagine a thousand letters getting to Dave all about the same thing and him not saying anything about it. It's not like Letterman <or his producers> have to worry about which band is going to earn them the most money! And if we get no response from Dave, we try Conan. Now there's a guy with nowhere to go but up!
Steve Z
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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 13:14:38 +0000 (GMT) From: Martin Spain <M.G.Spain@herts.ac.uk> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Hey, how about me? Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960116131045.26036B-100000@altair.herts.ac.uk>
Just thought I'd let y'all know I'm a UK Jammer too. There's more of us than you think... [At least 39, although I think there were more than 50 when this thread first started--kbibb]
Later,
Mart <M.G.Spain@herts.ac.uk>
**************************************************************************** "Have you ever heard the story, of mister faded glory?" ****************************************************************************
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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 19:45:29 +0000 From: Tim Spear <tspear@veilmaya.demon.co.uk> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: thoughts from the UK Message-ID: <v01530504ad21afa09fe3@[158.152.54.32]>
wow.. i seem to have rattled the woodwork... Out come all the UK jammers!! nice to actually hear from you all!! I was going to try and suggest a UK ytsecon thing but it seems there are too few jammers and those that do exist live wide apart! ahh well.. I guess next time DT or a related band play in the UK we could have a bevvie or two...
another thing (sorry non-dt content) DEATH....rules!! I have to say I like Cynic better (sean reinert is the best drummer for me-sorry even better than MP) BLASPHEMY! hehe
bring on the new fates lp too!
Thankyou for your time...
Tim.
"No-one can grow with nothing to inspire" -Fates Warning.
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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 17:01:34 -0500 From: DreamNDay@aol.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Megadeth on Letterman Message-ID: <960116170133_118422093@mail04.mail.aol.com>
I remember a few months ago when everyone was asking what Megadeth played on Letterman. Well, its going to be rerun tomorrow (wednesday). later-------Brian
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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 17:56:00 +0000 From: eiagm@eznet.net To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: re: essay question Message-ID: <199601162224.RAA04346@mail1.eznet.net>
> What aspect of Dream Theater music is it that you like? [deleted]
Oh, cool, essay questions. Those are my favorite. The first DT song I ever heard was "Pull Me Under", on the radio. At the time, I was trying to learn more about metal music, and I was trying to learn to like. Actually, by this time, I had succeeded fairly well, mainly because of the likes of Metallica and Sanctuary. Anyway, the chunky chords at the beginning of PMU were really fun for me - I especially like low-pitched, slower tempo metal. But later, when they brought in some progressive aspects - I stopped digging it and started drooling, cause I've always been a progressive fan (my fav band is Kansas). Then the chorus arrived and I was very intrigued. The melody of the chorus is catchy, the words are image-provoking ("Pull me under, Pull me under, Pull me under - I'm not afraid"), and there are many passages that reminded me of the Bible (not that I'm a Christian, but I am a philosopher, and I do respect the Bible as a philosophical text). So, I had my heavy metal, I had progressive elements, it was just plain catchy, and the lyrics seemed to be the work of a fairly intelligent mind. I went out and bought the album.
Mike Stover eiagm@eznet.net http://home.eznet.net/~spider/spider.htm
"Oh, irony! We don't get much of that around here"
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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 00:31:24 +0200 (EET) From: Karri K Kiviluoma <kkiviluo@snakemail.hut.fi> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: DT Aspect/doupled riffs Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.960117002533.4622B-100000@lk-hp-13.hut.fi>
"And thus he shed the veil of lurkerism....'
Hi ! Someone asked what aspect of DT music you(I) find the most attractive. Well no essays from me =) The complexity and the heaviness, and the way they work together. 'Nuff said. Oh and I love the keyboard work. First time I ever really heard something like that.
Well..someone asked what song Vanilla Ice ripped off. It was of course the immortal Queen's 'Under Pressure'. Queen lives forever !!! =)
Well...that's all for now...Take care
-= Karri.Kiviluoma@hut.fi =- Email: kkiviluo@snakemail.hut.fi < " Hmm...uhh...lemme think...." > < - metryingtofigureoutsome > < thingwitty&funny >
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Date: 16 Jan 1996 18:09:00 U From: "mmetzger" <mmetzger@bostech.com> To: "YTSEJAM" <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: ACOS Live - The "Outro" Message-ID: <n1390306980.64989@macsmtp>
A bit has been stated about people not caring for the intro to ACOS. Since I know that people care, here's my two cents. I am of the opinion that the intro is quite cool. Many decent songs have some calm before the storm and to me, no intensity is lost at all by starting with the new intro. However, I am not really that much of a fan of the "outro" and what gets to me is why do they play the "outro" live !?!
ACOS, at least live, really needs a loud climax and one feels a bit guilty about going crazy when the song (sans outro) ends because you are being discourteous to the band and specifically to JP's mellow playing. But at that point one needs to really vent appreciation. My vote is keep the intro and sack the outro.
Later, Mark Metzger mmetzger@bostech.com "Men without vices rarely have virtues" - Abe Lincoln
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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 01:13:28 +0100 (MET) From: BIORDI Bruno <biorb@mail.interpac.be> To: YTSEJAM@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Portnoy Interview, Part 2 Message-ID: <199601170013.BAA24178@donald.interpac.be>
Hi there,=20
Here is the second part of the Mike PORTNOY's interview, Written in HARD ROCK Magazine (January 96 Issue).
H.R. : Does Dream Theater is the principal group with the label "New Progressive Guys" ?
M.P. : I Hope so... In fact, I'm sure ! Currently, the progressive scene grows very fast, but it doesn't touch the 'Big' public contrary groups like Queensr=FFche. Most of new groups are signed on small labels. In fact, we have a lot of chance to play that kind of music and to have a deal on a major ! Anyway, have a look to our sales, and let's recognize that there are people asking this kind of music. I Hope others labels will sign that kind of groups because, at the moment, only some small ones -Magna Carta, by exemple, who's signed Magellan & Shadow Gallery- searchs & signs progressive groups. These news goups have many probems to be know by people, but it's gr8t that these labels exist !
H.R. : What's the thing you bring to the progressive music ?
M.P. : From the opposite direction than older progressive groups, we make longer songs, with a lot of instrumental and technical sections. That were things who are missing these last times... We are influenced by the metal and pop scenes ! We get ideas from the senventies and we adapt them to the nineties. Most of others groups stay prisoner in 'THE' style.
H.R. : English papers say that you're 'snobbish intellectual guys' !
M.P. : I think progressive disturbs english journalists, and it's put me in a temper !!! They says we are pompous ? There are pompous ! These men who're listing to White Zombie (laugh) ! We are much eclectic as them ! Look our fans: 1/3 of them are 'real & hard progressive guys',rather 'Old', with influences like Cactus and Gentle Giant. 1/3 see us like great instrumentists, and the rest of fans : The hard-rockers, who are fans of Metallica, Alice In Chains,... They came at our Gigs 'coz they like one of DT songs they have listened on radios.
H.R. : We often reproach to progressive bands the fact that they're too concentrate on their technical parts, and not on their stage performances.
M.P. : Well, it's a problem doesn't directly concern us. We try to keep a certain skill of energy on stage. Many progressive groups do so many things and there aren't able to move. I remember when I've seen Rush on stage : Geddy Lee sings, plays bass and keyboard in the same time !!! Each musicians are so concentrated that they can't do more on stage. From the opposite direction, groups like Queensr=FFche or Pink FLoyd turn it for their own advantage : They present to the public wonderfull light-show, big screens,... When we play live, we always try to be as energetic as possible. Even when I play difficult parts behind my drum, I 'headbang' like a devil (laugh).
End of Part 2
Tired and bored to write in english (Sorry for mistakes ;-@)... Next soon... Bruno
P.S. : New about Dave MUSTAINE : He's working on his first solo project ! He says : "I'm doing that because the music I wanna play now can't be compatible with MEGADETH". MegaDave has called Kelly Luma, bassist of SHRINE, Jim De Grasso, ex SUICIDAL TENDENCIES behind the drum with ALICE COOPER while the Sud American "Monsters Of Rocks" and Lee Ving, the singer of the punk group FEAR. Are you Scarred ? heheheh !!!
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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 16:27:03 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu> To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Topic :: David :: Kobayashi Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91j.960116155543.107008G-100000@homer09.u.washington.edu>
> who does the "temptation" "resistance" on mirror. is that portnoy, or as > i said at the malibu, mike's porn toy??
LaBrie.
> david, fuck you my back hurts from diggin my ass out of the snow too, > be-och, kobayashi
Yeah, I know what you mean. My shoulder's been throbbing a bit after opening my umbrella when it started drizzling here yesterday.
---- > From: Michael Bahr <durnik@indirect.com> > Subject: IMPORTANT! NEW ALBUM INFO! > > I'm afraid I'm the bearer of bad tidings, but I just got finished > speaking with James LaBrie, and he said not to expect the new album > until September at the earliest.
Did you ask him about his juries?
> One final thing... LdyIceFire... that was easily the most immature > message I've ever seen...
YESSS!!! *quick dance of maturity* SOMEONE ELSE HAS OUTDONE ME AT LAST!!!
Now if I could just find a worthy challenger for the title of Fucking Idiot...
---- > From: laussade@enet.net (Ktulu) > Subject: As you may know.. > > Anywho, I was watching Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey (the second > ((stuff excised)) and the guy who played all of the little riffs when B+T > did their air guitar was Steve Vai. I thought that was preeeeetty > ding-dang nifty myself.
Yeah, he sold out, that commercial bastard. I hated those riffs. Why can't he just shack up with David Lee Roth again and do something with an ounce of integrity?
---- > From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@freenet.scri.fsu.edu> > Subject: Re: Taper in center stage at NJ show > > Whoa James actually let someone tape a show???? Coolness!!!! Go > James!!!!
Whoa Nuggetman is alive???? Coolness!!!! Go Nug!!!!
---- > From: Chris Onjian <clo4748@hertz.njit.edu> > Subject: Keyboards and BH (Re: YTSEJAM digest 1222) > > Also, I'd like to say hi to the guy I sold my extra DT ticket to. I gave > him a nice deal on it I think (12 bucks..i just wanted to get rid of > it!)
I believe I was standing right next to that fellow. I was the one who snagged you and said we had a buyer in our freezing group of anxious DT fanatics. His name was Adam Marshall...
---- > From: Brian Cox <lerxst@metronet.com> > Subject: dt shows tape tree update
As a complex-organic form of life, I find this offensive. Why did you choose "tree" and not "skeleton" or some other word closer to a human being? I would have been happy being a vertebrae or metacarpal or something, but a leaf? Am I a Canadian hockey team now?
Bafu Vai
(let's see if Ken shortens the two blank lines between my last paragraph and my tag, which has humbly served as my .sig since I joined the list.)
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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 16:52:12 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu> To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: 2000, Myung, Glorious Prose Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91j.960116163813.107008J-100000@homer09.u.washington.edu>
> From: Ernesto Schnack <ernie@mail.pananet.com> > Subject: Prater and old songs (Re: YTSEJAM digest 1224) > > BTW... you guys know how somebody was talking to Derek(I don't remember who)
Yeah, who was that?
> and he said that they didnt play any songs from WDADU because they were > 8 years old... what if by the year 2000 they stop playing songs from > I&W? spooky thought, huh? I doubt it'll happen, but you never know...
It has often been observed that one of the rules of bands performing live is that the "releases" or "the singles that were made into videos" must be touched upon from time to time(or in Van Halen's case, at every single show). I don't think DT will EVER stop playing PMU, Another Day, TTT, or Metropolis. However, I do see WFS, UAGM, and Surrounded biting the dust in the years to come. Who can tell about LTL...
---- > From: btomko@main.glasscity.net (brian tomko) > Subject: DT praise > > John Myung is practically a bass god, up there with Michael Manring, ((stuff excised)) > My brother swears he can hear Bach influences in Mind Beside Itself, > especially Erotomania. I think I can, too.
Give your ears a pat on the cochlea. Myung has said that Bach's cello suites are some of his favorite jam-alongs.
---- > From: dhplotki@students.wisc.edu (Dave Plotkin) > Subject: "Godliness in music"
I won't repeat what was written, but this post was glorious.
> BTW, comparing Jeffrey Dahmer or O.J. to recognized figures such as > musicians or artists?? Not quite. Music has affected me a bit more, > personally.
Heheh... Dahmer and OJ... Voices and Innocence Faded... Scarred and Raising The Knife...
Bafu Vai
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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 19:58:53 -0500 From: MLang77047@aol.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Cc: Questions@aol.com Subject: Questions Message-ID: <960116195741_43943470@mail04.mail.aol.com>
Greetings Ytsejammers!!!!! Two quick questions:
1. I read recently that John P. sings backup live on "The Silent Man", but I noticed that on "Voices" (on CIAW live cd), there are backup vocals in the "I'm kneeling on the floor..." section. Is this John P. also? 2. When DT plays "The Silent Man" live (listen to CIAW live cd), who plays rhythm guitar during the brief solo section (just before James sings "Sin without decievers, A God with no believers...")? Rock on.....
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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 17:32:22 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu> To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Thoughts on Ken's Moderation Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91j.960116173058.122637D-100000@homer09.u.washington.edu>
[slightly edited--kbibb ;)]
[greeting removed]
Just thought I'd give my [currency removed] on [moderator's name removed] moderation of the list:
[quotes/comments removed]
[text deleted]
Bafu Vai
[.sig trimmed]
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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 17:38:09 -0800 (PST) From: Joseph Dunn <jdunn@toto.csustan.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Meeting DT (Re: YTSEJAM digest 1228) Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.960116173201.14182A-100000@toto.csustan.edu>
Hello all jammers!! I can't believe the number of you that have gotten back stage to talk to DT live..that's great..they've been one of my favorite groups for four years now...when I heard IAW for the first time..I must be honest..I thought it sucked...but don't kill me yet..I listened to it again five months later..I was overwhelmed..I stole the cd from a friend and listened to it every day at least once until Awake came out..then well hell I still listen to it once a day...Learning to Live is and probably always will be my favorite DT song...that is what hooked me on this ecclectic group..My old band SOLO played it at a festival in the valley in CA..the audiance freaked out..they loved it..argghhh anyway.,. the next time DT comes to CA...bay area most likely..is there any way I could get a hold of a back stage pass..I really would love to meet the band..they are an inspiration to me and all of my non net using musician friends..the chance to meet those guys would fulfill my life..uhh I think I'm starting to sound a little to sappy..later..
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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 20:43:46 -0500 From: Bogie34@aol.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: AOL IRC (Re: YTSEJAM digest 1227) Message-ID: <960116203705_43993304@mail04.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 96-01-15 03:24:55 EST, you write:
>get the IRC through some other software called GNN (Global Network >Navigator), [deleted]
Another way to go at IRC through AOL is to use a program called AOHell. I know that the programmer's intent of the program was to wreak havoc on AOL, but he included a nice little feature that lets you chat on the IRC. If any AOLers would like a copy of this program, e-mail me and I'll send it to you with the intent that you will use it for good!
Bogie
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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 20:52:06 -0500 From: Bogie34@aol.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Queensryche CDROM (Re: YTSEJAM digest 1227) Message-ID: <960116203655_43993062@emout05.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 96-01-15 03:24:55 EST, you write:
>but has anyone got a recommendation for/against the Queensryche CD-ROM?
I'm sort of new to the Jam although I've been a fan of DT for awhile, so excuse me if this reply doesn't work right. (I don't see why it shouldn't.)
But from what I've seen on the QR CD-ROM, it looks great. There is an online web site at http://www.rockonline.com/friends/ryche/qryche.html if you want to check out the latest on the CD-ROM.
Bogie
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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 96 21:54:44 CST From: MillerA@act.org To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: 8 yr old songs.... Message-ID: <9600168218.AA821858759@SMTP.ACT.ORG>
this is regarding the post about DT not wanting to play WDADU songs.
think about the bands that have been around 'forever'. the rolling stones, pink floyd, the eagles, etc. all play songs that are much, much older than 8 years. imagine playing stuff that you wrote 20-25+ years ago? talk about things getting old.....
by the way, just got my copy of the japan ppv video. COOL! the quality is much better than i had expected.. i thought the band's performance was good, but james' voice sounded like it was completely trashed. there was a few times that it almost sounded like he was in pain.... it's gotta be rough to have to sing as high as he does night, after night, after night.......
by the way, didn't i already say that? i'm interested in any progressive bands, especially unsigned/'unknown' ones. i already ordered superior's CD. i recall a few bands mentioned that ytsejammers are members of. if anyone has info on any of these bands, email me. i'm always looking for a new CD to buy....
later. andrew
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