YTSEJAM Digest 1241
Today's Topics:
1) GftPM
by Jeff Chew <jc309@columbia.edu>
2) James not classically trained?
by zebrowski steven <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
3) close encounter with john petrucci
by "Jordan Garelick" <JGARELICK@EPO.SOM.SUNYSB.Edu>
4) New YtseShirt info - READ ALL -
by "Trey (T-Stretch) Allen" <tallen@junix.ju.edu>
5) Diatribe?
by Neil.D.Evans@Dartmouth.EDU (Neil D. Evans)
6) about King Crimson
by "Kyunghwee Choi" <king-crimson@msn.com>
7) Brian May and KISS (Re: ytsejam 1235)
by Skooc@aol.com
8) DT, Bonham, and Setlists
by David Papineau <papined@pr.erau.edu>
9) Metalheads???
by btomko@main.glasscity.net
10) Mind Control and other Live Thoughts
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@moose.uvm.edu>
11) Web Pages
by Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net>
12) What-EVER
by Junior2567@aol.com
13) metalheads
by Ernesto Schnack <ernie@mail.pananet.com>
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 12:10:31 -0500 (EST)
From: Jeff Chew <jc309@columbia.edu>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: GftPM
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960124120816.18337C-100000@aloha.cc.columbia.edu>
Dear jammers,
> Ummm, excuse me but any real guitarist out there knows that JOHN PETRUCCI
> deserves a lot more credit than what you've given him. [deleted--kbibb]
[stuff deleted]
> ....I'm cancelling for good, along with the rest of the guitar players on
> the internet.
Clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap....
Yours,
Jeff =)
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<*> Jeff Chew <*> jc309@columbia.edu <*> (212) 853-6952 <*>
<*> http://www.columbia.edu/~jc309 <*>
<*> Lifting Shadows : http://www.columbia.edu/~jc309/dreamt.html <*>
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 12:47:46 -0500 (EST)
From: zebrowski steven <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: James not classically trained?
Message-ID: <199601241747.MAA29729@umbc9.umbc.edu>
James most certainly IS a classically trained tenor. Pavarotti wouldn't
be able to sing perfectly either if he had guitars, keys, and drums all
cranked to ridiculous levels right in the frequency range in which he is
supposed to sing. Vocal orchestral music is written with dips in the
frequency spectrum to accommodate the singer. That is one of the reasons
why singers for hundreds of years have sung with 70-piece orchestras with
no amplification whatsoever. Rock music is an amplified medium. James
does better than any rock vocalist could be expected to in the horrible
singing environment of the club stage. No monitor system in the world is
going to help you out in that situation. However you could put James on
stage w/ an orchestra at the Met, where there is no amplification, and he
would fare as well as he does in the studio.
Steve Z
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 12:48:48 EST
From: "Jordan Garelick" <JGARELICK@EPO.SOM.SUNYSB.Edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: close encounter with john petrucci
Message-ID: <MAILQUEUE-101.960124124848.256@epo.hsc.sunysb.edu>
This is my first attempt at going on-line with other DT fans. It's
nice to know how many people out there (besides myself) have a true
appreciation for this great band. A little bit of info that many of
you may appreciate, is that John Petrucci was my guitar teacher!!!
About 6 years ago, when I was in a bit of a guitar "rut," I decided
just to take a few lessons over at one of the local music stores, in
Commack, L.I. It's too bad I didn't know then what I know now.
Sure, I was enamoured by John's musical mastery and custom Ibanez
guitar, but I never knew the band and just figured he was another guy
trying to make it in a merciless industry. Needless to say, he
taught me well and will forever be one of my guitar heroes.
So, when I saw DT at Malibu, L.I. last week it was the first time I
had ever seen them. Need I say more. Awesome.
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 96 15:01:02 -0500
From: "Trey (T-Stretch) Allen" <tallen@junix.ju.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: New YtseShirt info - READ ALL -
Message-ID: <9601242001.AA26754@junix.ju.edu>
=====NEW INFO AND CHANGES!!!=========
1st thing-
I need the money for the shirts by the 5th of Feb... Thats a 2 day extension
so its not too late to order them! Just email me and send the money fast!!!
2nd thing-
Okay...the back of the shirts will have the DT name above a huge Majesty
logo. You can see this one my DT web page. The front of the shirts will be
one of the following: (Mail me and tell me which you like better)
--Ytsejam--
Dream Theater's Internet Mailing List
ytsejam@ax.com
----or-----
--Ytsejam--
Dream Theater's Internet Mailing List
ytsejam@ax.com or metropolis@arastar.com
As I was told by Ken Bibb, the actual jam will be on ytsejam@ax.com and the
compact info digest will be on metropolis@arastar.com
So, I could put both addresses on the shirts if you guys think that would be
better. Ideas??? Suggestions??? I NEED YOUR HELP!!! I CAN"T DECIDE!!!!
=======================PRICES===============================
All garments come in any dark colors (blue, black, red, purple, maroon, navy
blue, royal blue, forest green, etc.) and sizes S, M, L and XL. They will
be printed with white ink.
====T-SHIRTS====
-----50/50 $14 (add $2 for XXL)
-----100% cotton $15 (add $2 for XXL)
=======SWEAT SHIRTS=======
--All sweat shirts are 100% cotton--
-------Non-hooded-------
-----7.5 ounce $18 (add $2 for XXL)
-----9.0 ounce $20 (add $2 for XXL)
------Hooded------
-----7.5 ounce $21 (add $2 for XXL)
-----9.0 ounce $23 (add $2 for XXL)
SHIPPING = Add $3 per item...I know its a lot, but complain to the US postal
service!!!
INTERNATIONAL ORDERS - Mail me individually...shipping is different for each
country but it won't be more than a couple bucks extra.
I will throw in a free Majesty sticker w/ every order. They are also sold
separately for $1 a piece (no shipping costs). They are the same design as
the Majesty symbol on my DT page.
===================WHEN????=====================
I MUST HAVE EVERYONE'S MONEY BY THE 3rd of FEBRUARY!!!! THE SHIRTS WILL BE
PRINTED ON THE 5th AND SHIPPING WILL BEGIN ON THE 7th.
================================================
Be sure to include shipping and
Send a GOOD check or money order to:
Trey Allen
453 Tahitian Terrace
Jacksonville Florida 32216
========"If I started at the top and worked my way down, then there ========
would be no reason to live forever..." -Dream Theater-
Trey Allen (T-Stretch) 904-721-1362 Jax. Fl tallen@junix.ju.edu
=========== http://www.ju.edu/UsrWebPages/tallen/home.html ============
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Date: 24 Jan 96 15:04:15 EST
From: Neil.D.Evans@Dartmouth.EDU (Neil D. Evans)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Diatribe?
Message-ID: <24059640@dancer.Dartmouth.EDU>
Someone wrote:
> /Buck, aka "Mr. Serious", who's masters degree in music is the backing
> for his strong musical opinions.
use "whose" and try not to be so condescending.. The single apostrophe is
used for contractions to indicate a missing letter or letters..
There are plenty of classically trained tenors who would sound like
complete shit fronting DT... Also, if you've ever heard James at the START
of a tour (ie, when his voice isn't worn from playing 5-6 shows a week and
sleeping on a bus) he is mighty impressive..
-A Very Busy Lurker
nde@dartmouth.edu
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 96 19:25:18 UT
From: "Kyunghwee Choi" <king-crimson@msn.com>
To: "Dream Theater News Group" <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: about King Crimson
Message-ID: <UPMAIL05.199601241951140335@msn.com>
Hello All Ye Jammers,
I just thought I should share my opinion about King Crimson since Mark (?)
mentioned something about them in YTSEJAM digest 1233.
Okay, here it is. Overall I'm not afraid to say that any King Crimson or
Robert Fripp CD you get, you won't be disappointed. I'm telling you. Just
about any of their albums is a masterpiece. Of course that would be strictly
my opinion.
The very first King Crimson CD I got was their first album 'In the court of
the crimson king' which is definitely a must. Their new albums are very
different but one can still tell that it's them. If you would like to hear
what they sound like these days, you should pick up either 'Thrak' or their
official bootleg double CD 'live in Argentina.'
A lot of people's been telling my I'm kinda young to be a fan of King Crimson.
I just saw them in concert for the first time last year in Chicago. That was
definitely the best show I've ever seen. They played at a very fancy concert
hall too, not at any bars (not saying bars are not good but I just thought it
was interesting to see a rock band playing at a place like that where you are
not allowed to stand up during the performance).
Anyways, good luck with discovering King Crimson, Mark! You'll enjoy it!
It's definitly worth it. Later!
King Crimson@msn.com
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 15:17:35 -0500
From: Skooc@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Brian May and KISS (Re: ytsejam 1235)
Message-ID: <960124151710_405343049@emout05.mail.aol.com>
Hi all,
In jam #1235, Craig writes:
>>The best example recorded to date (IMHO) of delay/echo effects:
>>'Brighton Rock (Live)' from Live Killers...(by Queen)
Great choice! There's also a Live LP & video of Brian live at The Brixton
Academy from 15 June 1993 that has an absolutely killer solo from Brian. He
may not do the shredding that JP does, but then again, that's never been
Brian's style. Also on the same LP, there's an INCREDIBLE drum solo by skins
master Cozy Powell.
Also, for any KISS fans out there; the band will be announcing dates for a
reunion tour with the original four IN MAKEUP with their Love Gun tour
Costumes and Stage. I've already seen them during their makeup days, but if
you've never got the chance to see them during their heyday, now's your
chance.
Scott Cook
Poets are those who muddy their waters to make them appear deep - Nitzche
(sp?)
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 13:31:43 -0700 (MST)
From: David Papineau <papined@pr.erau.edu>
To: Ytsejam List <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: DT, Bonham, and Setlists
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960124131523.26037A-100000@moon>
Hi everyone, been a few weeks! I've been sitting by for a while and
decided to say something...
I was listening to my older CDs the other day, and I came through "Bonham",
who if you don't know, was a band that put out a couple of albums. The first
"The Disregard of Timekeeping" came out in 1989, and their second "Mad
Hatter" came out in '92. As far as I know, thats all they've done, and thats
a shame. My point is that when I first heard DT in the music store, they
were who DT reminded me of. They're music is kind of like to Led Zeppelin
what DT is to Rush. The music is excellent, and they're many similarities to
DT's style. The band is from England, and consists of Daniel Macmaster
(vox), Ian Hatton (Guitars), John Smithson (Keys, Bass, vox, and violins),
and Jason Bonham (Drums; yes, this is John Bonham's son!). Anyway, if you
like DT and Zeppelin, then you'd certainly like these guys.
Does anyone know if they've done ANYTHING since "Mad Hatter"?
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As a side, about the future setlist stuff. I have seen many people mention
that certain songs from I&W will dissapear, like Surrounded and LTL, while
they'll always play songs like Another Day and TTT. Sorry...but the last two
shows I've been to, they've played Surrounded, and one of them they played
LTL, but at neither did they play Another Day or TTT.
Now if you compare this situation to RUSH, who've been playing for over 20
years now, I haven't seen them play anything from before like Perm Waves
except for Closer to the Heart and maybe Xanadu. Maybe a couple others, but
not many...and thats out of a good 6-7 albums. Given that Rush has a huge
amount of material, but they can't play something from everything or they're
show would be like 5 hours long. Not that I'd mind much, but I don't think
the band would be to happy after a 3 month tour.
More or less, if DT is still playing 15 years from now, I won't expect them
to play much from the first few albums, even the popular songs (Fly By Night
anyone?), but I'll be glad to have seen them when they did!
Fini
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"Deep in the human unconcious is a pervasive need for a logical universe
that makes sense. But the real universe is always one step beyond logic."
Frank Herbert "Dune"
Dave "PAPS" Papineau papined@pr.erau.edu
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 15:51:48 -0800
From: btomko@main.glasscity.net
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Metalheads???
Message-ID: <199601242351.PAA15223@main>
I don't know who it was who complained about Ytsejam subscribers all
being metalheads, but he is wrong. I have seen many posts from classical
musicians. I include myself in this category; I've been classically trained
in piano and upright bass. Next, James LaBrie may not exactly fit in with
Marilyn Horn (although I think so), his vocals are awesome displays of
talent (and range! Wow!). He has helped the DT sound become independent and
distinctive.
No mere "metalhead" would be content to listen to DT; DT fans are
more than that. Dream Theater's music is complex and interesting, and each
band member has proven to me that he is vital to their sound.
Mark
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 16:00:50 -0500 (EST)
From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@moose.uvm.edu>
To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Mind Control and other Live Thoughts
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.960124155009.207882A-100000@moose.uvm.edu>
Greetings all. This is my first post to the new and highly
improved jam since winter break. It was cool reading about everyone's
show stories (although I had to sift through 15,000 jams to get to them).
Did I miss/delete something about a possible bootleg of one or all of the
shows? Anyone with any information on these tapes (or any information
against these tapes) please e-mail me. Oh, and I got Mind Control (thanks
to Michael Backof). It's really cool. James sounds much better than on a
Denver radio broadcast I have. Great transitions between songs and the
blues jam at the end of TTT is much clearer. Anyone else get shivers
right before the intro of PMU when that voice screams "WAKE UP!"?
Richie
rrivera@moose.uvm.edu
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 16:09:26 PST
From: Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Web Pages
Message-ID: <199601250013.AAA104870@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net>
** Reply to note from ytsejam@arastar.com 01/24/96 12:52am +0800
Hey guys, Well, I decided to make a list of EVERYONE who had a web page on
this mailing list and I did and NOW its up.
http://vax1.rain.gen.mo.us/~mhs/stranger.htm
I have around, geez um, 20 or more web pages from this list, personal pages
that is.
So, just find your REAL name on the web page and there's your page, of
course I don't have everyone's yet and I'm still trying to get more so, if
you want your page on my page, go for it.
Mark
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 22:56:05 -0500
From: Junior2567@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: What-EVER
Message-ID: <960124211954_205941963@emout04.mail.aol.com>
Hi Jammers:
I don't post very often since I'm usually content to just sit here and
read what other people have to say about Dream Theater. Frankly, I don't
believe there is a band that can top DT in either composing or performing,
and that includes "The Great" Van Halen and all those other dried-up
has-beens.
But today I decided to postpone my physics homework for a few more
minutes in order to respond to the post I read in Digest 1235 by a certain
arrogant dorkhead who goes by the name of "Mr. Serious."
I hope you are reading this, Mr. Serious, because even though you have
proclaimed yourself a music expert, there are also a few of us without
Master's Degrees who also know a thing or two about good bands.
What I hated the most about your little editorial was your unwelcome and
definitely un-founded criticism of James LaBrie's voice. I don't know if you
sing, but I do, and I can tell you for certain that his singing style takes
at least as much (if not more) talent, practice and strength to master as
that of any professional opera singer. I know that LaBrie has trained
classically and it definitely shows on every album. I have not heard too
many tenors who can float such high notes so beautifully and with so much
power. Do you have any idea what sort of strength and flexibility a singer's
vocal chords and diaphragm must must possess to be able to sing so clearly
and so strongly? I have worked for years trying to sing higher, stronger,
and longer without sharping or flatting, and I've come pretty far, but I can
only hope that I will one day be as good as he is. Even though LaBrie is a
man and almost twice my age, I try to learn things from him when I listen to
him sing.
It is unfair of you to say that James LaBrie is "no classically trained
tenor." You are certainly entitled to your own opinion, but don't try to
downplay his skill level and versatility as a vocalist. Granted, I have
never heard him sing an opera aria, but I'll bet he does it a hell of a lot
better than the Three Tenors do popular music. (Want to give your ears a
scare? Listen to Pavarotti do a number from "Cats") So the next time you
want to rag on one of the best male vocalists in the world (and that is
exactly what you did whether you meant to or not), don't.
And another thing: Don't try to tell us "stupid metalheads" what we
like. The one thing all of us Jammers have in common is that we love Dream
Theater's music. One does not have to have a good reason to love music. If
we happen to think that DT does a great job harmonizing with their
instruments and working all those tricky little intricacies into their songs,
then that's good. Keep in mind, though, that most of us have better things
to do than memorize the key signature of every measure and analyze all the
chords.
So that's all I have to say about that. If you're offended, Mr.Serious, then
too bad.
Live Long and Prosper,
Charone Frankel
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 96 23:21:13 -0400
From: Ernesto Schnack <ernie@mail.pananet.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: metalheads
Message-ID: 23211397700614@pananet.com
>Getting back to my initial statement, it is my belief that most people here
>on the Jam are true metalheads at heart and nothig more. Why else would they
>hold such intolerance for the subtlety and variations found in certain DT
>compositions?
It's not intolerance... it;'s called opinions... look into it... just
because they do variations on their songs (which is something I personalyy
love) doesn't mean every variation they do is good... and if someone doesn't
lik a 'subtlety' for some reason... does that make them a metalhead?
> I also feel this is why so many people on
>the Jam honestly believe that James L. is a truly great singer. Personally,
>I think he is a decent singer, who who especially records well in the studio,
>but whom live exhibits poor diction and even poorer control over his pitch and
>overall vocal quality. A classically-trained tenor he is NOT.
Actually he studied opera for 4 and a half years... and in case you didn't
know, mr. masters degree in music... the technique opera singers use
sacrifices diction for volume... and I think that LaBrie, although he's
obviously not gonna sing like friggin' Pavarotti in a rock band, uses a
modification of that technique which is why he can scream so much without
losing his voice so quickly... and he's an excellent control of his pitch in
comparison w/ every other rock singer I,ve heard...
but of course, my opinion doesn't matter because I don't have a masters in
music (sarcasm included) maybe I will be enlightened when I get my own (even
more sarcasm)
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Guten Gott! Meine strudel ist kaputt!!
Ernie
ernie@mail.pananet.com
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