YTSEJAM Digest 1669
Today's Topics:
1) Re: CD updates
by DigiKon5@aol.com
2) Like PB without jelly...
by Jennifer <jenibear@gvn.net>
3) cds bought but never heard
by "C.S. Frankel" <96sp211@dvc.edu>
4) Tori orders OPEN
by Michael Bahr <durnik@indirect.com>
5) Wicked Maraya
by Maraya007@aol.com
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1668
by rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
7) Stuff..
by Cliff & Pam Wheaton <cwheaton@micron.net>
8) Sorry!
by zebrowski steven <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1666
by ai292@freenet.carleton.ca (Gordon McFee)
10) Dallas - Kansas/Styx Show
by tbaddley@airmail.net (Tom Baddley)
11) pfunk in central park
by WildKoba@aol.com
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1668
by ai292@freenet.carleton.ca (Gordon McFee)
13) Ivanhoe Growling, Food puns & More!
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
14) Re: 1993 England show...
by Wessel Marquering <Wessel.Marquering@econ.kuleuven.ac.be>
15) Ummm... What is an EoJ
by "James R. McKenzie" <jrmckenzie@pdn.net>
16) King's X tour dates
by Walter S Semerenko <wss88274@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu>
17) Progressive bands
by Walter S Semerenko <wss88274@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu>
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Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 19:20:53 -0400
From: DigiKon5@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: CD updates
Message-ID: <960704192053_427703375@emout07.mail.aol.com>
I would like an update, please.
--Rob Allen
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Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 16:31:21 -0700
From: Jennifer <jenibear@gvn.net>
To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Like PB without jelly...
Message-ID: <199607042331.QAA07866@mindcrime.ax.com>
The following appeared in Ytsejam #1660:
>I listened to "Antiquites," and some of the demos from other singers just
>did not sound right. DT needs James LaBrie. Period.
>
>DT without him would be like Journey without Steve Perry and Foreigner
>without Lou Gramm. It just would not be the same.
Okay, this isn't quite Dream Theater content (but I did leave the
reference to DT in there! <g>)... Actually, Foreigner was once
Foreigner without Lou Gramm. There was that period when Lou was doing
the solo thing (i.e. "Ready or Not"), and Foreigner released an album
without him. I believe it was called "Unusual Heat," and if the name
doesn't ring a bell, well, that shows just how forgettable it was!
Anyhow, we saw Foreigner in concert last year, and they're still really
tight, and, yes, Lou still has the voice. :)
Jen
On the move...
Note *new* address: jenibear@gvn.net
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Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 18:40:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: "C.S. Frankel" <96sp211@dvc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: cds bought but never heard
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960704183806.2336A-100000@viking.dvc.edu>
I had onlt heard the Love Lies Bleeding and thee Subcon version
of ACoS when I bought Awake. I fell in love with it and then got
I&W...and the rest is history...
BTW- Ben: nice ass :)
@ .. @ /\_/\
(----)^{Alllrrighty then!} ( o.o )
( >__< ) > - <
Charone Frankel
<96sp211@dvc.edu>
"Death is the first dancing turrtellle!!- James LaBrie
"Hey man, where's your sense of humor?" -Bart Simpson
"Viva El Salvador!"- Jim Carrey
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Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 19:37:48 -0700 (MST)
From: Michael Bahr <durnik@indirect.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Tori orders OPEN
Message-ID: <199607050237.TAA11234@bud.indirect.com>
I noticed that I said in the new CD update that Tori CD orders are open
three times, but "not open" once. Just to clarify: they're open.
Currently available are Dream Theater "When Dream And Today Unite",
"Antiquities", "Scenes From A Memory", Rush "Critical Mass". Open to
pre-orders are Tori Amos "Storm", and soon to open (like as soon as I get
the tape on 7/27) will be orders on Metallica "The Wrath of God". Around
about the time the new semester begins, I'll be opening orders on Dream
Theater "Precious Things", which will be a really fantastic disc.
- voluntas vincit omnia - Mike Bahr - durnik@indirect.com -
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Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 23:12:41 -0400
From: Maraya007@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Wicked Maraya
Message-ID: <960704231240_149205366@emout07.mail.aol.com>
I don't know how many of you like this band, have even heard *of* this band,
or if you couldn't give two hoots either way, but there's enough diversity on
this list that I thought I'd pass the news along, being a huge fan of theirs
myself.
I got a surprise email from Lou Falco today, confirming a rumor or two -
number one, WM is no longer on Mausoleum Records, and number two, the band is
no longer called Wicked Maraya, but rather just Maraya. (Don't get 'em
confused with my nick on IRC and #ytsejam. ;) As for a new CD, he says the
new CD _No Hope for Humanity...?_ will be released in Europe with Rising Sun
Productions in August or Spetember. No word on an American release as of
yet. They also have a home page up (haven't seen it myself; I'm on my way to
check it out after I send this), located at: <http://soho.ios.com/~maraya/>.
If you haven't heard them yet, I recommend you pick up their first CD,
_Cycles_ (if you can find it) - they're basically a cross between prog and
power metal, not quite as refined as DT or Shadow Gallery or Fates, but they
still kick some serious ass. :D
Jaime the independent Dragon
"Payback's a bitch, ain't it!"
- ID4
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Date: Fri, 05 Jul 1996 03:24:58 GMT
From: rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1668
Message-ID: <31dc849b.2481291@mail.inforamp.net>
Hiya Yammers (many Jammers speaking simultaneously)!
>Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 10:55:03 -0400 (EDT)
>From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
>I'm also wondering, how many of you would put DT onto this list, as I
>have?
I'd like to impart something TRULY sad. DT gets ZERO airplay
here in Canada. None. Nada. Zilch. Zero. None.
The only song I have heard played was CIAW and that was on a
station out of St. Catherines, Ontario at around 2 am.
Prior to picking up I&W after hearing they were a musician's
band, with lots of time signature changes (Rush alarm went off :) ), I
bought the record. As soon as I heard the opening guitar part of PMU,
that was it. Instant addict!
There's something about that clean sound he gets. It's almost
as good as, dare I say it, sex! (Hey, I'm a guitar player (we're a
little out there sometimes)) That says nothing of James soaring
vocals. That guy inspires me to sing more on a daily basis. I have
spent more time practicing my breathing techniques in the last 2 years
than I ever did before. as much as I like QR, I have to say, move over
Geoff, your replacement has arrived. Now, before everybody blows
chunks in my face, I have seen QR several times and the Geoff that I
am used to is Geoff from 85-91. The Geoff who could do multiple tracks
from Warning, RFO, and O:M live without difficulty. I didn't hear that
on the last tour. I heard an aging voice and a great deal of strain at
times. This is not taking a shot at Geoff in any way. People age, it's
a fact of life. My only concern, is that James may shorten his career
by scratching notes in the back of his throat as he does on Awake.
At any rate, I apologize for rambling. Vive le Theatre de
Reve!
>Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 16:14:37 -0400 (EDT)
>From: "Greg \"Big Brother\" Lee" <greg@aix.can.ibm.com>
>Could this be the first Canadian EoJ? Yikes...Let's all have a Molson XXX
>to celebrate!
Actually, I had one before this. You mean we need a reason to
have a cold one? Oh shit! Just when I thought I had that cause and
effect thing all figured out!
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Date: Thu, 04 Jul 1996 21:48:17 -0600
From: Cliff & Pam Wheaton <cwheaton@micron.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Stuff..
Message-ID: <31DC9081.3CC0@micron.net>
Yes, I'll admit it-I'm one of the people who'll admit to not hearing a note of DT
before bying their music-I actually bought I & W and Awake without hearing a note!!
Fates Warning, Chasing Time was another one!!!
oh-and how about Primus-I bought Pork Soda,Frizzle Fry & Tales from the punchbowl -& I'd
only heard "Wynonna's Big Brown Beaver"
These were all on the reccommendation of this list, the NMS list, and a very cool
friend!!
Hey Ben-cool page!
later!!
Keep rockin'
Pam
--
Pam Wheaton
_____/----^---\____
</__"Rockin Cabbie"__\o
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Cliff Wheaton
The greatest tool for world Peace.
"THE INTERNET"
E-mail: cwheaton@micron.net
Url: http://netnow.micron.net/~cwheaton
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Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 00:42:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: zebrowski steven <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Sorry!
Message-ID: <199607050442.AAA20530@umbc8.umbc.edu>
Hey, WildKoba! The Tony MacAlpine thing was a joke. I agree; people
need to be less gullible in that department. :)
Steve Z
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Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 01:08:42 -0400
From: ai292@freenet.carleton.ca (Gordon McFee)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1666
Message-ID: <199607050508.BAA23578@freenet6.carleton.ca>
Albums I've bought without hearing any of it:
Genesis - The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway: This one took awhile to get used
to but it has grown to be one of my favourite Genesis albums. Needless to
say I've bought as many of their albums as possible since.
Dream Theater - I&W and Awake at the same time: Nuff said :). Actually I
got WDADU and ACOS without knowing any of the material on those either :).
But I guess we're only looking for first contact with a band.
Queensryche - Promised Land: Once again I trusted Internetters and got
what I wanted.
ELP - Brain Salad Surgery/Tarkus: I haven't listened to the first yet as I
bought it today :). The second album is pretty cool, I recognized Lake's
voice from the Crimson album he did..
King Crimson - Larks' Tongues/Starless and Bible Black: The first album
was ok but isn't as exciting as most of the music I listen to. The
instrumentals didn't particularly captivate me. Starless was worse. I
liked In The Court of the Crimson King (an album I had by them already)
but have cut my losses there.
Yes - early library <G>: Can't say I was dissapointed totally by any CD
but parts of some certainly left alot to be desired! Especially Disc 2 of
Tales of Topographic Oceans.
--
"To seek the sacred river Alph, and walk the caves of ice..." - Rush
"Ashes and Diamonds,Foe and Friend/We were all equal in the end." -Pink Floyd
"The sands of time were eroded by the river of constant change." - Genesis
"Others steal your thoughts they're not confined within your mind"-DreamTheater
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Date: Fri, 05 Jul 1996 05:13:38 GMT
From: tbaddley@airmail.net (Tom Baddley)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Dallas - Kansas/Styx Show
Message-ID: <31dca25a.900382@mail.airmail.net>
I just got home from the Kansas/Styx concert at the Dallas Starplex
Amphitheatre, and I must say, I was thoroughly impressed!
I missed Blue Oyster Cult who opened the entire Freedom Fest show
around 4:00 pm. Came in about 1/3 of the way through the Kansas set.
Whoever was bragging about how good the sound was for Kansas wouldn't
have had too many good things to say about the sound today. Much of
their set sounded like it was being run through a Leslie speaker
cabinet. By the encore, they had fine tuned it pretty much. As
musicians, Kansas kicked ass as usual.
The real suprise came when the Styx set began. This tour is their
"Return to Paradise Theater". It was quite a production, with lots of
history and chat between the songs. They even did a 4 song
"Unplugged" section where they pulled out some of their old
Cornerstone. Sounded great. Unlike other dates on this tour, both
James Young and Tommy Shaw's guitar tones were excellent. Vocals from
Dennis DeYoung and band were also dead on.
The best part came right before their last song, when the Freedom Fest
people started let the fireworks rip loose over the amphitheatre.
What a sight...sorry all the people under the bandshell couldn't see
this.
I spend much of the evening noticing how much the sound of bands like
Kansas and Styx has molded my tastes towards music such as Dream
Theater's. Killer keyboard work from both bands....all and all, a
very enjoyable evening.
Happy July 4th!!
Tom
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Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 01:18:01 -0400
From: WildKoba@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: pfunk in central park
Message-ID: <960705011801_231317856@emout07.mail.aol.com>
the longest show i've ever been to (3 and a half hours), and the good moments
were incredible, and the slow moments were slow as hell. but overall, it was
amazing. george, bootsy, the three guitarists (especially whoever it was that
soloed on "maggot brain"- i was left saying "holy shit"), maceo parker- they
were all incredible! if they are coming to your area, check em out. that's
all. i'm fuckin tired from standing for almost 4hours, so se ya.
*****************************************************************
david yoichi kobayashi
guitars, keyboards.
binghamton university. class of 97.
"me? i'm just the lawnmower- you can tell me by the way i walk." -p. gabriel
*****************************************************************
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Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 01:27:22 -0400
From: ai292@freenet.carleton.ca (Gordon McFee)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1668
Message-ID: <199607050527.BAA26030@freenet6.carleton.ca>
>Also, and here's why I thought you'd remember, Alex VH, imho, had stopped
>ripping off Bonham and had started ripping off Peart.
The intent may be there but the talent is wanting :).
> It's to prevent us from forcing it upon their population and
>making them all subservient to the Great Dark Lord... Don Cherry! ;)
Ha! I suppose <sigh> that you're a Leafs fan, eh? Oh well.. I'm a
Habs fan but I'm sure we can learn to peacefully co-exist.
>> Rick
>> Toronto
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>
>Could this be the first Canadian EoJ? Yikes...Let's all have a Molson XXX
>to celebrate!
>
>Greg
>Toronto
Actually my first two posts to this jam were a SOJ and EOJ, long
before I understood the significance (ok, I still don't <G>). Of course
the post wasn't plastered with a Separatist joke, beer reference or 'eh'
so I can understand the confusion :).
Sean in Ottawa!
--
"To seek the sacred river Alph, and walk the caves of ice..." - Rush
"Ashes and Diamonds,Foe and Friend/We were all equal in the end." -Pink Floyd
"The sands of time were eroded by the river of constant change." - Genesis
"Others steal your thoughts they're not confined within your mind"-DreamTheater
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Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 00:33:16 -0700
From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Ivanhoe Growling, Food puns & More!
Message-ID: <199607050733.AAA21705@cats.ucsc.edu>
Personally, I like the growling on Symbols of Time. That's the way I like
my death growls. Infrequent and for emphasis. I think they should have
done it more often on the album.
CD's bought unheard (on a group level):
Magellan
Fates
Atheist
Bolt Thrower (grin, I was a WH40k freak for a while)
and a few others, I'm sure. I've bought many albums by groups I know
without having heard any songs from that particular release before. Eg:
Awake, WDADU, ACoS, anything but I&W by DT, any other fates album after
Parallels (the 1st I bought) most magna carta stuff, pretty much anything I
buy these days falls under this category. Luckily, my local CD store lets
me listen in the store before buying, so this may diminish in the future.
You know, in reading that over, it really doesn't say mcuhm does it?
I like food puns. If you don't, you are evile (yes, with two 'e's)
humorless and must be destroyed.
Standing by the micro (wave)
Eyes upon the timer
Hoping that the corn dog
Would fill her stomach soon.
She shuts the doors and light and lays her butt upon the couch.
With "Laverne & Shirley' reruns on TV
She is too inept to boil pasta in a pouch
So quitly she sits and wait for "beep"
Anyone want to tackle the second verse? Ben?
That's it for me, I'm off to make the world save for alien invasion fleets ...
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Date: Fri, 05 Jul 96 09:58:00 DFT
From: Wessel Marquering <Wessel.Marquering@econ.kuleuven.ac.be>
To: "ytsajam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: 1993 England show...
Message-ID: <31DCCBC5@econmsmail.kuleuven.ac.be>
Adam Pye wrote:
>Just glancing through the DT FAQ and saw this quote:
>
> "First of all, it's the first lyric work Mike Portnoy did. (of course,
it
>is not the only vocal work Mike ever did... Mike had the dubious privilege
of
>singing the end of "Surrounded" after James walked off the stage at one of
the
>1993 England shows)"
>
>Does anyone know if a tape of this show is available? If so I'd be happy
to
>trade with anyone who has it. Let me know... Thanks...
I happened to be there (Nottingham). I am pretty sure that there ain't any
tapes of this show. There were only 50 to 60 people and most of them not
really DT fans. James was really pissed off that night as one of the people
in the front (obviously drunk) started to scream during the mellow parts of
Surrounded. James walked off the stage and did not return until 30 minutes
later. The rest of the band played some instrumentals and Mike walked to the
front of the stage and started to sing Surrounded, hehehe.
I think this could be one of the reasons that DT doesn't play that much in
England anymore (with the exception of London).
Wessel (Live at the) Marque(e)ring
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Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 06:09:06 -0400
From: "James R. McKenzie" <jrmckenzie@pdn.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Ummm... What is an EoJ
Message-ID: <2.2.16.19960705060559.41570018@pdn.net>
I've asked enough stupid questions on the JAM by now that you all should be
used to it so here's yet another. I keep seeing the mention of something
called EoJ, what the heck is an EoJ? Also refering to songs names by
ACROMYN, does it really save "THAT" much time. I listen to music I don't
disect it. I remember by name or composer or group (in the case of
CLASSICAL I remeber by album cover and/or label), please Dream Theater
doesn'y get "THAT" verbose with the titles of thier songs nor do most other
bands, list 'em out at full length. OK, JR's got too damn much free time on
his hands if he can bitch about this. What's yer point? :->
JAMES R. McKENZIE
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Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 07:41:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: Walter S Semerenko <wss88274@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: King's X tour dates
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.93.960705073402.24609B-100000@Pegasus>
I just got this from the KX mailing list. Go see them live. I have
talked to many people who seen them in concert and say that they are
great...even people who never heard there music before.
17th & 18th----houston. (secret gig in small hole for practice.)
20th -----amarillo
21st -----lubbock
23rd-----shreveport
24th----jackson,ms
25th ----birmingham
27th---st. petersburg
28th---TBA
29th---orlando
31st---atlanta
There is more to come but thats it for now.
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Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 08:21:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: Walter S Semerenko <wss88274@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Progressive bands
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.93.960705074833.24609C-100000@Pegasus>
> I'm relatively new to the prog scene, though i've liked Rush since Moving
> Pictures, Fates Warning since Awaken the Guardian, and DT since WDADU. But
> it's refreshing to see so many new and different bands being discussed here,
> bands i previously never heard of and still haven't heard anything by, such
> as Echolyn, Superior, Shadow Gallery, et. al.
Maybe this will help:
Echolyn:
They are a symphonic neo-progresive band that has a Gentle Giant, early
Genesis influence. They play complex and well syncopated rhythms. Their
vocals are very "heavy" in the sense that they harmonize a lot and have
three-part vocal harmonies. Their vocals are very Queen-like and if you
can handle "Bohemian Rhapsody" then you can handle their vocals. Their
overall sound isn't heavy, as in "heavy metal". The keyboardist uses a
good piano sound and sometime a ELPish keyboard sound. Try out _As the World_
which is their third album. I initially liked the title track when I
first bought it, and listened about 15 secs. of each track and thought
that I wouldn't get into this. Since that time, this is one of my
favorite albums and my favorite band.
Superior:
I just got this a few days ago (thanks Jason Skewes) and I fully reccomend
this to every jammer. They have that heavy Awake guitar sound, excellent
production, good keys. Jammers if you were disappointed with Metallica's
Load, drop it, and get this album. It has good heavy,melodic guitar riffs
and the keyboard playing is reminicent of Savatage's.
Shadow Gallery:
This band sound like Savatage with some DT passages. The keyboardist is
excellent. I lent "Carved in Stone" to a big Savatage fan and he
immediately ordered it. Personally, SG is a good band, but I have my
complaints. As one jammer best put it: "SG is like a cheeseburger. There
is a lot of meat, but some cheese." The vocalist is good similar to Goeff
Tate, but the background vocals are annoying (cheesy) to me. It almost
ruins the whole song. I would get this, almost all jammers would agree.
Walter.
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