YTSEJAM Digest 1671
Today's Topics:
1) UPDATE!! NO SLEEP SINCE BROOKLYN/ INS. 3 !??!?!!!
by Tim <axe@usa.nai.net>
2) Re: Prog Pecking Order
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
3) a possible solution to the loss of q-rock
by WildKoba@aol.com
4) Blind CD's (or is it Deaf?)
by Scotchman@aol.com
5) Prog Pecking Order
by Mike Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu>
6) That Bach guy again
by "Scott R. Daugherty" <srdaugz2@homer.louisville.edu>
7) politically incorrect...
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
8) Re: Prog Pecking Order
by Jon Byrne <rael@access.mountain.net>
9) Help Locating CD's
by CNG@tcco.com
10) look what i found!
by UMJG72D@prodigy.com (MS ANNA M STIGLIC)
11) RE: Re-creating K.Moore
by Marcio Danucalov <hangar18@originet.com.br>
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Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 22:13:17 -0400
From: Tim <axe@usa.nai.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: UPDATE!! NO SLEEP SINCE BROOKLYN/ INS. 3 !??!?!!!
Message-ID: <199607060213.WAA01952@usa.nai.net>
UPDATE!!! NO SLEEP SINCE BROOKLYN/ INSTRUMENTAL 3 ORDERING CONTINUES!
The tentative release for this CD is July 15, 1996.
I am reposting the information below for those of you who just
joined the list, or might have missed it the first time!
Email and check the web site if you'd like details!
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A N N O U N C I N G :
A NEW 'LIMITED EDITION' DREAM THEATER IMPORT CD!
"NO SLEEP SINCE BROOKLYN / INSTRUMENTAL 3"
Limited to a release of 1000 copies.
1. What is No Sleep Since Brooklyn / Instrumental 3 ?
It is the newest CD release in the DT Demo series..but the first
to feature LIVE material. This CD features, for the first time
anywhere on CD, a live Majesty concert recorded in 1986 with
Chris Collins on vocals!!! As a bonus, this CD also features
'Instrumental 3' .. which features 7 outstanding outtake /demos
from the original majesty sessions up through the 'WDADU' sessions
from 1987-1988-1989!
2. What Tracks are on this Limited Edition CD?
MAJESTY: *LIVE* 1986 1. Another Won 2. Cry for Freedom 3. Gates of Babylon
4. Your Majesty 5. March of the Tyrant 6. Afterlife
INSTRUMENTAL 3: Two Far, The Saurus, Your Majesty, Viking Outro, 7 Mini
Guitar Songs, A Swell Guitar Piece, Anti-Procrastination
Song.
3. When is this CD being released?
The tentative release date for this CD is July 15, 1996.. to be shipped
to pre-ordered customers first starting that week!
4. How Can I get one?
The Pre-Order period has begun. Just send in your order today, and your
copy(ies) will be reserved. You can check my special web site to check
the status of your order!
5. How do I get more info on ordering and on the CD?
Easy! Either Visit the special web site for this CD at
http://w3.nai.net/~axe/newcd.htm
-OR-
Send email to axe@nai.net with a subject of "SEND NEW CD INFO", and
info will be in your 'inbox' within 24 hours!!
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DREAM THEATER: NO SLEEP SINCE BROOKLYN / INSTRUMENTAL 3.
RESERVE YOUR COPY TODAY! LIMITED RUN OF 1000 !!!
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Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 21:07:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Prog Pecking Order
Message-ID: <199607060407.AA13826@crl8.crl.com>
This observation shouldn't come as a surprise to ANYONE, really. Prog
fans tend to have pretty strong feelings about their faves, and when
they don't like a band, they REALLY don't like a band. (Unlike
mallternative kidz or mainstream psheep, prog-fans' reasons for liking
and disliking bands can actually make sense from a musical
standpoint.:))
Marillion "too commercial"? Sheesh. I can only ever recall hearing
"Kayleigh" on the radio a few times. Granted, Atlanta radio sucks out
loud, but I never thought they got much of a label push to begin with.
Tee-minus a few days, hopefully, 'til Superior is signed! Congrats,
Bernd and all! Kidz, their BEHIND CD is the best CD I've heard so
far this year, and the best prog-metal CD I've heard since AWAKE. I
knew it was Only a Matter of Time before they got snapped up. :)
--Paul
..almost recovered from Dragon*Con '96 and looking into bands
for '97. Maybe GWAR again, and Anthrax and Misfits both want to play.
I'd like to see a prog band on the bill, too. :)
-- Seen my diary on the newsstand | Paul W. Cashman Seems we've lost the truth to quicksand | www.crl.com vanyel@crl.com It's a shame no-one is praying -+- Dream Theater "Voices" 'Cause these voices in my head keep sayin'.."Love, just don't stare."------------------------------
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 03:45:37 -0400 From: WildKoba@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: a possible solution to the loss of q-rock Message-ID: <960706034536_428470051@emout17.mail.aol.com>
check this out. i should have brought this to the attention of you all long ago.
now that q rock is history, we're all whining and mourning the loss of decent radio, we are left to ponder what's next. well, i have a solution to that equation. ny jammers, when you're feeling blue, set your dials to 1560 am (not fm), and it will all go away. if anyone takes me up on this, i want private resp;onses (or public- whatever). thank you.
mike backof (i think), who called me "a wild kobayashi" (loved that), mentioned to me about the separate crimson/reid shows. can you please email me with the url for the thingy again. thanks.
speaking of, anyone know what the hell happened to thought industry?
re: sara mclachlan. i really dig what i've heard from her. i see not much comparison between her and the piano-girl. funny, i believe i once heard sara's music as "pussy music." but yeah, to the boys and girls who check this out, dig it.
i saw a soundtrack to "west side story", a new one (it had to be), and there was a song whose band credits reads "chick corea's eletrik band vs. steve vai's monsters". has anyone any idea of what that is? please enlighten me and/or us.
thank you. that is all. good night. ***************************************************************** david kobayashi the wild and magical koba
"i'm using the chicken to measure it." -some freak on "uncle meat".
"for 20 long years, i could not read music. but now, thanks to 'hooked on phonics'...."- dean, screaming headless torsos. *****************************************************************
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Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 03:56:48 -0400 From: Scotchman@aol.com To: The Monkey House <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Blind CD's (or is it Deaf?) Message-ID: <960706035644_350261567@emout14.mail.aol.com>
Someone was talking about buying CD's without ever hearing them, and someone else asked if anyone would put Dream Theater CD's in that category... well, yeah, count me in for that one.
See, like a year & a half ago, I was playing piano in this regional jazz concert in high school, and before the show, we were all chilling out talking & listening to music & stuff. And this bass player had a tape of I&W, and he told me that DT was this really cool, very technical band, and he played me the beginning of Under A Glass Moon.
I thought it was pretty freakin' cool, very precise... although the odd thing is, I distinctly remember saying, "This sounds like Mr. Bungle." Yeah. I thought (and still think) the beginning part sounded like the Bungle song "My Ass Is On Fire." No joke. (In UAGM, the double-time diminished-chord part, then the palm-muted main riff right after it before the lyrics start-- they seem right out of the Bungle song. Maybe I'm thinking of "Love Is A Fist" though, I forget.)
So a few weeks later, I was at the record store, and they didn't have I&W. They did, however, have Awake, and since that had a 1995 date on it, I was like "Cool, a newer one," and I bought it. Hadn't heard one song. And that remains my favorite DT disc (and one of my favorite discs period).
(And a little footnote to this: a few months ago I read an interview with Portnoy, and in it he said that Mr. Bungle's first album is one of his favorite albums. Nice. Oh yeah, that was another one that I bought without ever hearing-- doesn't get much radio or MTV airplay, ya know.)
Maybe you cared, maybe you didn't.
Out,
Scott. Blah Blah Blah
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Date: Sat, 06 Jul 1996 14:25:25 -0700 From: Mike Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Prog Pecking Order Message-ID: <31DED9C5.257D@umbc.edu>
Hello Jammers,
Jeremy Hyde brought up a "Prog Pecking Order." Now on rec.music.progresssive I would say that more often than not, people have their favorites, but it seems that "more difficult" = "more progressive" at times. I wouldn't necessarily agree with this assessment, but it seems to be a trend among the die-hard prog people. This is how I would rank the bands based upon what I have read, not what I believe:
Universe Zero, 5UUs, Magma, Miriodor (all RIO bands) Gentle Giant, Gong, Mahavishnu Orchestra (non RIO obscure original bands) King Crimson (favorite of the r.m.p crowd of the more "popular" bands) Genesis (their post-Duke work is generally frowned upon) Yes (a lot of people hate everything after Relayer) ELP (really went down hill after a while, keyboard fans like them) Jethro Tull (earlier albums were very progressive) Marillion, Asia, IQ, Gryphon, Starcastle, Ozric Tentacles (early "derivative" bands) Anekdoten, Glass Hammer, Iluvatar (later "neo-prog") Rush (generally hated in prog circles, they tend adapt to their environment and not pioneer, this annoys prog die-hards) Queensryche, Fates Warning, Dream Theater (prog-metal bands)
General Threads
1. Originality is awarded. If you make up your own sound or borrow from someone that no one has heard of, then you are terribly cool in prog circles. Use of non-standard (guitar, bass, drums, keys) instruments in a band adds to your coolness.
2. If you are one of the original popular bands from the 1970s prog circles then you are thought to be in the hearts of many, a good band. If a band is made up of former members of these bands then they are cool no matter how bad you sound or poppy. (ie Asia, sorry guys I can't stand anything after the first album, a band that should have been better)
3. If you are an original derivative band you are cooler than later generations because whenn people were looking for more music to get into, they found this band, "Hey, this singer sounds just like Jon Anderson", we have the same thing with Geoff Tate in prog-metal, "This singer sounds just like Geoff Tate!" You know what I mean. Bands like Starcastle (Yes), Bi Kyo Ran (King Crimson), IQ (Genesis) completely copies that sound of a band in an era and made new music in that style. The beginning of Progressive being used as a musical style and not as a term used to describe the pushing of the musical envelope.
4. Rush, the "special case" band. They started off copying Led Zeppelin, then moved on to Yes in the late 1970s, then to The Police in the early 1980s, then the keyboard pop movement in the middle 1980s, then when keyboards were going out, they released Presto with fewer keys and an acoustic sound, now in the 1990s they cater to the grunge, heavy movement. Their new album will probably sound like Dave Matthews Band or something.
5. Prog-metal, since many of the band members are fans of metal bands (Iron Maiden, Metallica, Black Sabbath, Megadeth, Alice Cooper, Rush) and of progressive music (Yes, Genesis, Pink Floyd) you get some neat combinations of sounds. Die hard prog fans dismiss all metal (I think this has something to do with an aversion for Kiss, don't really know) as a wasted genre, so interesting prog-metal bands who are in pioneer mode can be overlooked. Voivod, Cynic, Watchtower have made some creative waves. A lot of the bands in this genre are blasted for being fans of Rush.
Personal Note: Rush got me into progressive music, I don't like ELP or Asia, King Crimson is one of my favorite bands, as are a lot of prog-metal bands, all of this is based upon observation, difficult IMO does not equal more "progressive" Bands like Braindance "atmospherics, gothic, metal, jazz drumming", Porcupine Tree "modernization of Floyd with the heaviness of NIN at times", Boud Deun "heavy jazz fusion with rifs from all musical styles and technical superiority", Voivod "cyber-metal with technical wonder and strangeness" are bands that are doing real work in prog these days.
Hope some of you thought this ramble was interesting, this comes from 3+ years of reading usenet groups and several prog mailing lists.
Later,
Mike
------------------------------------------------------------------------ Michael Backof mbacko1@umbc.edu http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1 WWW Pages - Unsigned Bands: http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/munsign.html WWW Pages - Inferno Page: http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/inferno.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 14:29:55 -0500 (EDT) From: "Scott R. Daugherty" <srdaugz2@homer.louisville.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: That Bach guy again Message-ID: <199607061829.LAA07419@mindcrime.ax.com>
Hey-
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that Bach and Beethoven didn't meet, since Bach was dead before Beethoven was born. :)
Does anybody out there listen to Mortal? They're pretty cool, kind of a thrash/industrial thing happening. See ya,
Scott Daugherty
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Date: Sat, 06 Jul 1996 13:55:48 -0500 From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org> To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: politically incorrect... Message-ID: <31DEB6B4.65A3@dreamt.org>
hey, this week Politically incorrect w/ Bill Mahr on Comedy Central did a whole weeks worth of shows with musicians or music related people on it...... one of them was Ted Nugent. did ANYBODY see it? i saw the ad thursday of the week so i'd missed mon, tue, and wed. so he mustve been on one of those days. being a fan of ted and knowing his personality especially in front of a camera or onstage i'm dying to know what went up when he was on :) ~Rip
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Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 16:23:18 -0400 From: Jon Byrne <rael@access.mountain.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Prog Pecking Order Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19960706162346.25178d8c@access.mountain.net>
At 09:16 PM 7/5/96 -0700, Paul Cashman wrote: >Marillion "too commercial"? Sheesh. I can only ever recall hearing >"Kayleigh" on the radio a few times. Granted, Atlanta radio sucks out >loud, but I never thought they got much of a label push to begin with.
I mean commercial from a prog standpoint, not a mainstream radio standpoint. There is a group of prog fans who don't consider anything worthy of prog status if it isn't mind-bogglingly complex. For them Marillion, and all the other neo-prog bands, just don't measure up.
Course I think that's crap, so . . .
Jonathan Byrne rael@access.mountain.net http://access.mountain.net/~rael/jdbhome2.htm West Virginia University College of Law ----------------------------------------------------------------- "Any major dude with half a heart Surely would tell you my friend, Any minor world that breaks apart Falls together again." -"Any Major Dude", Steely Dan
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Date: Sat, 6 Jul 96 15:31:27 EDT From: CNG@tcco.com To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Help Locating CD's Message-ID: <vines.3hH8+drfrlA@tcx.tcco.com>
I have gotten a lot of cool CD's from the suggestions on the Jam (Shadow Gallery, Ivanhoe, Black Jester).
Can someone tell me how I can get the following CD's (without having to pay like $30 for importing them...):
CONCEPTION : Last Sunset, Parallel Minds, In Your Multitude ANGRA : Angels Cry, Holy Land SHADOW GALLERY : Shadow Gallery SUPERIOR : ???
If someone can get them locally, I'd be glad to pay the shipping charges or would be willing to trade.
THanks.
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Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 17:42:42, -0500 From: UMJG72D@prodigy.com (MS ANNA M STIGLIC) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: look what i found! Message-ID: <199607062142.RAA10896@mime4.prodigy.com>
hey all you ytsejammers...i was browsing the web and happened across a little problem at the Elektra Home Page...well, it seems that they have the artists listed, and DT is there, so i clicked and it whisked me away to their page (courtesy of Elektra). on this page, it lists several web sites related to DT, one of which is an address for those fans who wish to subscribe to the Ytsejam...only it sends it to the arastar.com address. this might be causing some of the confusion with subscription, and if it isn't now, who's to say it won't later on? well, i myself am NOT, in any way, shape or from, very computer literate, so i have NO clue how to handle this slight misunderstanding. would someone please contact someone that can help this? it might prevent future confusion on the 'jam...(http://www. elektra.com) just a concerned jammer...
____ "...the weasel squeaks faster than a seven day week..." - Tori Amos, Marianne
"...every road leads back to my door, every road i will follow, every road leads back to my door, got all your lines crossed..." - Tori Amos, In The Springtime of His Voodoo
Anna:-)
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Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 22:55:02 -0300 From: Marcio Danucalov <hangar18@originet.com.br> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: RE: Re-creating K.Moore Message-ID: <01BB6B86.A0F1A000@porta148.originet.com.br>
This is for all jammers who play keyboards......
Has anyone re-created the sounds used by K.Moore on I+W? if the answer is yes i'd like to here from you. I've got a KORG-M1 and need help badly.
(a short but sweet DREAM THEATER message)
We are just humans my friend...
[]s Marcio
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